The Right of Entitlement...real or B.S.?

Philly says on Jul 20, 2008, 16:18:

I feel you, I have this problem with 90 % of my students. I will leave it at that, this is a sore subject with me.

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robi666 says on Jul 20, 2008, 16:23:

So you have got the impression that this is a Colombian problem...

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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sloopskipper says on Jul 20, 2008, 16:37:

I also think that this is nothing peculiar to Colombia, although maybe they are more obvious there.

Many woman, AND men, everywhere seek to improve their situation by latching onto someone who has more.

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arthur brode says on Jul 20, 2008, 16:57:

Gasolineras!
Cali is full of them

http://www.calirentals.net/

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SUERTE GRINGO says on Jul 20, 2008, 17:37:

It's not specific to Colombia. This seems to be a global problem because the teenagers we hired as summer help at my company all possess the "Right of Entitlement" trait. They are all downright lazy.

“If you're gonna eat your crackers in bed, you're gonna have to sleep with crumbs."

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RJQuilla says on Jul 20, 2008, 18:14:

Dont see how that attitude could last long. After awhile you see it doesnt get you where you want to be.

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Cheers Terry says on Jul 20, 2008, 18:34:

This is a problem all through the western world and is rampant in North America. Colombia is a drop in the bucket.

Cheers,
Terry

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ColombianoGringo says on Jul 20, 2008, 19:52:

I find the problem of "entitlement" to be much worse amongst the youth in the US. A huge portion the new generation of "adults" are a bunch of lazy, practically useless louts who think the world owes them everything. This comes from the nasty habit of baby boomers coddling their "precious snowflakes" instead of preparing them for the harsh realities of life.

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Robert Jorge says on Jul 20, 2008, 20:29:

I think it is a real, contemporary trait everywhere. That it is common now in Colombia is what might be startling to some. I have seen the entitlement attitude on a personal level quite recently - involving Colombians and even Latinos in general here in the US. It is sad ... because it is a sure fire way to NEVER succeed, be happy, contribute, get ahead, whatever. People like that get what they want perhaps - but then 6 months later it is not sufficient. They are extremely ambitious - but with no work ethic.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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ColombianoGringo says on Jul 20, 2008, 20:37:

Try hiring young people in the US these days. Any schmuck fresh out of college wants $50,000 a year to start and we've found that very few are worth it. Many seem to think that they deserve a good salary, yet they don't seem to like hard work.

I remember paying a lot of dues and eating a lot of shit when I was first starting out. It seems like they don't understand the concept of having to EARN the things you want in life. It's very frustrating for a small business owner. Keep in mind that I am in my thirties, so it's not like I'm some old guy bitching about the young whippersnappers.

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Medellin Traveler says on Jul 20, 2008, 21:04:

The blame should be on the parents for treating their babies like they were somehow special, they're just babies like all the other babies in the world.

Someone needs to put a foot in their ass sooner or later. The parents that is.................

"Huevos Rancheros en Medellin, No Quiero Taco Bell." - www.medellintraveler.com

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miamimike says on Jul 20, 2008, 21:11:

RJ--here in Miami we see this Entitlement attitude in Triplicate but to an extent, here in Miami with the Cubans, we actually helped create it due to that Cuban Adjustment act of 1967. Under that law, Cubans get fast track permenent residency in 1 yr., 1 day. And that other program, "WET/DRY Foot law hasn't helped either. They get a lot of entitlements from our own Goverment(medicare, health insurance. Medicaid, Food stamps, Plan 8 housing, ree public transit passes, Senior Subsidized federal rent controlled apartments, reduced or free college tuition) If they come and are over 65, they get SSI and Medicare without even having to work one day under the system and pay NOT one Cent into SS. And don't let those SS checks be one day late!! And we wonder why our SS & Medicare system is in trouble!

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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ColombianoGringo says on Jul 20, 2008, 21:19:

"They get a lot of entitlements from our own Goverment(medicare, health insurance. Medicaid, Food stamps, Plan 8 housing, ree public transit passes, Senior Subsidized federal rent controlled apartments, reduced or free college tuition) If they come and are over 65, they get SSI and Medicare without even having to work one day under the system and pay NOT one Cent into SS. And don't let those SS checks be one day late!! And we wonder why our SS & Medicare system is in trouble!"

These are the first types of entitlements that need to be gotten rid of. There are some government assistance programs that are warranted, but again, you should have to EARN them by paying into the system. To be fair, the Cubans aren't the only ones to get SSI if they move here over 65.

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harvardexec says on Jul 20, 2008, 21:36:

It's not just the SS and Medicare that is in trouble, look what happened and continues to happen with the mortgage fraud in South Florida (#1 in the nation). The wars have distracted many Americans from this issue. The laws that govern South Florida are abused more than anywhere else in the United States.

"I'm going to be honest: I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues. I still need to be educated."-John McCain

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Robert Jorge says on Jul 20, 2008, 21:40:

I hear you MiamiMike.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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Buongone says on Jul 21, 2008, 01:55:

CG. Coddling their precious snowflakes. I like that. Good term.

MT. Big boot in their ass. Thats another one that needs adherring to!

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jul 21, 2008, 02:08:

Children are becoming increasingly precious here too. My daughter says to me when I pick up her baby at the day care: "Drive carefully, Mum, think that you have my Diamond in the car."

Yes, I agree with the OP and others on this thread. The Right to Entitlement is huge here too, but I associate it more with younger and middle-aged men here in Sweden that women of any age.

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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Buongone says on Jul 21, 2008, 02:14:

Desi, If they are so Precious, should'nt they be brought up through life taught the right way. Learning the "Precious" values, of getting somewhere in life by hard work. Rather than depending on someone, or some institution program to care for them.(Lazy)

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jul 21, 2008, 02:23:

Buon, it's a common misconception that people here are lazy and don't work. Institution programs pay very little and most Swedes love their high tech stuff, good food, trips all over the world. Being on welfare you can't afford any of the good things in life, just barely survive. That's not what people here go for.

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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Buongone says on Jul 21, 2008, 02:30:

Thats in Sweden. But as a general rule. World wide, especially in the states, kids are getting lazy. I was impressed when I first went to Cali. And most everybody went to a universidad. Thats good. Without a good schooling they were not going to get anywhere in life. That point should be stressed more in the US. And worlwide as far as that idea go's.

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Cerealkiller says on Jul 21, 2008, 03:15:

Hmmm I have always thought the sense of entitlement has been an entirely western trait "it's my right to/ I deserve / I demand" This is seldom found in Colombia, perhaps until very recently...it is a shame.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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Philly says on Jul 21, 2008, 03:22:

The problem in Colombia is a lot different. I am seeing that the kids here do not do a damn thing where as in the US the kids at least study and realize they have to at least study and get a good education. I believe parents push their kids more in the US.

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dwr says on Jul 21, 2008, 03:29:

This should be viewed as good news to those of you out there working shit jobs for no money. All these lazy youth should be creating great opportunities for those out there who don't have a sugar mommy or daddy.

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miamimike says on Jul 21, 2008, 05:43:

To be fair, the Cubans aren't the only ones to get SSI if they move here over 65.
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CG---the Cubans are the ONLY Group who get SS Checks if when they arrive here and are over 65 and having NEVER Payed a DIME into the system. Others, say like mexicans, Colombians receieve SS IF they payed a Minimum of 10 years into the system(or if they become disabled,they get it at an earlier age). Talk about injustice, take a United States War Veteran who served our country, he/she cannot collect SS unless they payed 10 years into the System. My two cousins are in that position as well as myself(all Veterans), cannot collect until we pay a Minimum into SS for 10 years. Here in Miami, they(cubans) are the most pronounced as far as Entitlements. I really don't notice it with any other Immigrant groups, latin, haitian ect.

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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Cerealkiller says on Jul 21, 2008, 06:22:

I think we all have a different perception of entitlement. I don't believe Colombias have a particularly acute sense of entitlement, as in fighting for their rights, or actively and openly seeking benefits due a genuine sense of entitlement. However, what most of you guys are talking about is not entitlement per se but rather opportunism.
A person with a sense of entitlement would never feel ashamed receiving government handouts because they truly think they deserve them, and their logic works along those lines. Colombians for the most part would rather die than accept publicly that they are mantenidos, they might seek it but deep inside they know they're cheating the system.
One thing is having a true sense of entitlement and another is to be blatantly useless and what we call "recostado"...most Colombians are not like that, but it is far more common than a true sense of entitlement.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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aztec says on Jul 21, 2008, 06:24:

Rikito My perception of what you are discussing is Classism(sp). Colombia still lives with the class system mixed in with a little racism.

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dwmte7 says on Jul 21, 2008, 06:39:

i have spoken about this in countless threads....were talking about colombia...it goes nowhere to say this posture/attitude exists world wide. true. but this is a thread on colombia and i'll limit my observations to colombia.

in my years living there, i never ceased to be amazed at the attitudes of the entitled by birth or marriage. they condescend and look down upon the 97% of colombians in what i'll call the 'have not' catagory. they genuinely think their shit don't stink and conduct themselves accordingly.

many of these wealthy are friends of mine and i never cease amazement at how they see life and others.

we were in my friends finca in llano grande and a group of maybe ten friends were passing the day, eating, drinking and just generally passing time. one of the ladies present, with a marble sized diamond on her finger, a new mercedez out front, and a well known kazillionaire looked out the window of my friends house and, watching the mayor domo and his wife and children walk by, commented....'look at these people, what is their problem? they have their gardens, their chickens, their cows and houses. what's wrong with them? they always want more." thus, she.

well the truth is, yes they have their gardens and animals; if not, they wouldn't eat. they basically have squatter's rights, a house, a garden, utilities and a place to live. they are serfs. if they receive ANY monetary increment, it's paltry. it's a subsistance life.

watching this internally impoverished woman speak as she did, was sad. what could anyone say, that would deliver her from this delusion? i don't know. she's just one of countless who are born, raised live and die, thinking not that it's owed to them...rathe, they have it and that's proof enough of their priveledge. pity

dwmte

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Waterdawg says on Jul 21, 2008, 07:20:

dwmte7 : That is a prevailing attitude through out Latin America ( The high whites as I call them ) . It shows it's ugly head even more in Ecuador ( Places like Cuenca ! )

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ColombianoGringo says on Jul 21, 2008, 08:00:

Mike,

Maybe things have changed, but a friend of mine interned in the Social Security Administration in Houston before going to law school. He constantly complained that this happened with people that brought their elderly family members over from Vietnam. They would bring grandpa over and the first trip would be to the SS office to get them on SSI.

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dwmte7 says on Jul 21, 2008, 08:11:

CG...really sucks, after numerous surgeries, a broken back and countless trips to the doc, it took 3 years to get ssi.

dwmte

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aztec says on Jul 21, 2008, 08:43:

dwmte7, were you not paid retroactive funds dating from when you first filed disability?

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miamimike says on Jul 21, 2008, 10:07:

CG--things must have changed as far as the Vietnamese. And I wouldn't even feel bad about a Vietnamese War Vet who was fighting with us in Vietnam. They were at least trying to free their country of Communism, unlike the Cubans who cut&Ran to Miami! I would say he(vietnamese) deserved it if he was injured fighting with us, helping us. All These Cubans getting SSI Never did diddly Squat to help us period anyplace! I am not referring to younger cubans born here who payed into the system only these after 65 yr of age freeloaders who come here to suck up the Benefits. Some even go back to Cuba to live part of the year thru a 3rd country on their SSI-talk about a ripoff! Hopefully one of these years a US President has the cajones to repeal this Cuban Adjustment act and to hell with their Votes. It sure wasn't Bush, maybe Obama? God only knows someone someday soon has to have the Guts to cut this law!

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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ColombianoGringo says on Jul 21, 2008, 10:17:

I get your point and agree with you. I think that any legal immigrant should have to work a certain number of years before getting ANY government benefits, with minor exceptions for certain situations.

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dwmte7 says on Jul 21, 2008, 11:04:

aztec...no.

it's a strange system, aztec and i don't think reformation is on the horizon anytime soon. when i first met with my attorney, i was sitting in the waiting room with a number of other applicants. no one's story being identical.

there was one man in a wheel chair who had lost both legs to a heavy equipment. his disability couldn't have been more evident. however, as he commented, he had been waiting near 3 years for his benifits. 3 years is what it takes....no matter what. maybe in the case of refugees (vietnamese, cambodian, et al) it's different, i don't know.

but after all that, i got now after another three years of benifits and cost of living increases, it's up to $177.00 monthly.

dwmte

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ColombianoGringo says on Jul 21, 2008, 11:06:

Is that all you get on a monthly basis?

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dwmte7 says on Jul 21, 2008, 12:32:

that plus ss.

dwmte

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dwmte7 says on Jul 21, 2008, 12:33:

and i might add CG ss is really low. i was self emp. my whole life and some times i contributed and sometimes i didn't. depended on conditions.

dwmte

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Buongone says on Jul 21, 2008, 23:12:

dwmte. Donde vive?

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dwmte7 says on Jul 22, 2008, 04:34:

ya, en daytona beach en florida. pero la casa/familia es en envigado. que tristesa....tenamos la nina en escuela aqui en eeuu. adalante, nos regresamos a colombia.

dwmte

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miamimike says on Jul 22, 2008, 07:43:

dwmte7--next time I get by Daytona, I'll give you a PM. Do you ever get to Miami? Daytona /New Smryna Beach/St Augustine is one of my favorite areas in Florida.

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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dwmte7 says on Jul 22, 2008, 07:59:

fuck, i just posted a comment and it got sent to cyber hell.....what?

we're in the process of moving out to LPGA (ladies professional golf assn) its a swanky, squeeky clean private community...yich. but it's close to the new campus of my daughter's school...father lopez catholic school.

right now we live across from the old campus at the corner of mason and nova. smack in the middle of brown town. moving to LPGA is like that old program on tv, the jeffersons, and their theme song....."...movin on up to the east side..." this is fodder for a story. from the hood to LPGA.

i just pm'd the phone and e mail.

call us anytime and your welcome to cme out.; i don't get much visitors here in daytona the dull. i'm not a nascar fan, got no tattoos and i don't ride a motorcycle....that makes me an outcast here.

dwmte

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Buongone says on Jul 24, 2008, 00:44:

Might want to take up Golf. Forget the Bikes. Even Caddy for some pro laddy Golfer. The caddies get on a average 10% of their golfers winnings. Imagine how much Tiger's caddy has earned. Forget the Lottery.

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