The people that pack your stuff in the supermarkets

robi666 (Trustee board) says on Jan 19, 2007, 14:39:

It has been extensively discussed in a long thread some months ago. Peter, I honestly think that you are way too generous. Nothing wrong with it, it's a merit, but there are carpenters who works hard the whole day for 20,000 pesos or less. Next time you go in the same supermarket there will be a war to be your personal packer... :-) By the way, if you give me 10,000 I'll meet you there and help you to the car!

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anonimo says on Jan 19, 2007, 16:58:

I usually give them the coins I get as change when paying at the grocery store

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jan 19, 2007, 17:36:

that's what most people do anything between 100 and a 1000 pesos.

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Monpirri says on Jan 19, 2007, 17:50:

Money? You give whatever you feel like given. Generous people usually get more in return.

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poco says on Jan 19, 2007, 18:15:

A (blank) Gringo rears his ugly head. I just went to the Exito and gave the person 10,000 pesos tip, and in the future I'll always give minimum 2,000.

Well, well, well,, now would you look at this !!! We have a crusader and a crusader with MONEY to THROW away.

This is a prime example of why many folks in the world dislike people from North America. Thank you for helping to perpetuate the image that we are all a bunch of rich folks with no clue. The clueless part really hurts,,

PS: BTW, I saw an amazing sight during my trip to the lumberyard,, a guy was working,, Ha,, can you believe it !!!! It looked like hard work,, I'd bet he was making less than he should have been making,,
Maybe he is an underpaid Muslimani ? I hear Chavez is covertly sneaking them across the border to take away the poor Colombians much needed employment,, the audacity of that guy !!!

I had to be restrained, twice I tore myself from clutching hands to give him 10,000 pesos but was stopped when I heard: "ARE YOU CRAZY !!! that's FOUR DOLLARS"

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scotty says on Jan 19, 2007, 18:16:

tips I was told the same thing a few years ago. I always tip the bagger.

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tejasmarcos says on Jan 19, 2007, 20:29:

cashiers what do the cashiers make? i normally give some change, but wonder is it makes the cashier jealous.

trying to walk a straight line on sour mash and cheap wine...

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goin_south says on Jan 19, 2007, 20:45:

Life Principle....and, most of you aren't getting much in return If ever a comment I agreed with, it is that of Monpirri: GENEROUS PEOPLE USUALLY GET MORE IN RETURN.

One person called it 'seed-faith'. YOU REAP WHAT YOU SEW, but you reap many times over. Give and it shall be given unto you. What is it that you need? You have a little of it? Then give it away, and IT WILL BE GIVEN BACK TO YOU TENFOLD.

I also 'waited' alot of tables while working my way through one college and another. So, I empathize with 'those who serve', and I am myself, in a profession of service.

So what! about the culture. Forget the culture and remember your soul; Priorities?

It's kinda what this whole freakin site and experience boils down to. There are alot of people here who only care about themselves and no one else. There are so many people here, who care only about themselves and how they can exploit Colombia or Colombians, or are worried about how they might be exploited by Colombians.

Good, very short and to the point, post, Monpirri.

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gorgonabob says on Jan 19, 2007, 21:54:

the americanisation of colombia

better not to give any tip and eventually they will not work or the company will have to pay them money

i much prefer an environment like new zealand where tips are not an issue than this culture where you have to tip even if the service is crap

so do not tip is my advice

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goin_south says on Jan 19, 2007, 22:01:

you guys all amaze me, with your 'Self-Centeredness' Es el año, 2007: "El Año de Los Santos!"

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goin_south says on Jan 19, 2007, 22:01:

such narrow perspectives so many of you here on pbh have Es el año, 2007: "El Año de Los Santos!"

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goin_south says on Jan 19, 2007, 22:02:

agreed. dongringo crappy service or help? no freakin tip.

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adrimm (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jan 20, 2007, 00:37:

Monpirri says on Jan 20, 2007, 05:47:

Morphus You should have invited him to join you at Poorbuthappy.

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southern151 says on Jan 20, 2007, 06:51:

Morphus... How dare you speak such FOUL words of PBH?! What else in life is there? Without PBH, life would serve no purpose! LOL

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kalder says on Jan 20, 2007, 07:52:

Never a truer word was spoken!

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Waterdawg says on Jan 20, 2007, 08:10:

And then again The 10% propina. you are charged go's to whom ??? The poor guys and Gals never see all of that ! Love the greed of the Biz owners . Don't you ???

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Robert Jorge says on Jan 20, 2007, 10:27:

My first experience at a grocery store in Colombia was at Vivero in Villavo. I was clueless that you tip the bagger. My fiancee kind of nudged me and I quickly realized: "Oh, you tip the bagger." From then and on, I always just gave about a mil to 2 mil. And I always had 10 or 15 bags worth of groceries.

I'll tell you who I think has the shitiest job in Colombia. It is being the Bon Ice man on Calle 15 next to Postobon in Villavo. He has to wear an orange and blue outfit, works from morning until dark, stands in the sun and heat all day, and sells those popcicles for 300 pesos if I remember correctly. He looks to be 70 years old - which means he is probably 55. I bought a few Bon Ices from him one day, and the total was 900 pesos. I gave him a dos mil bill discreetly and walked away. That old dude actually tried to chase me down to give me change, saying that I gave him too much.

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Lisa Zee says on Jan 20, 2007, 10:36:

GALECITO!! Well said!

Feliz Navidad!

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jan 20, 2007, 10:52:

My nephew and some of his friends worked as Empacadores in Olimpica Villavo, they salaries are only the tips people give them, but some of them like my nephew and his friends did this as a holiday job, to get enough money to buy beers for christmas and the odd present for the GF.


Robert Jorge I've seen the BonIce guy how on earth they can work all day in that heat!!!! if i were one i would have finished the whole box of Ice cream in that heat, sod the bosses hehe

DG excuse my ignorance but why the guy wants a memory stick for the
school? what he is studying? the school or University should provide that because is not use for him at home unless he owns a computer, camera, or Console. does he?

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goin_south says on Jan 20, 2007, 11:26:

gringo attitude? "Keep Los Colombianos - Poor, But Happy!"

Was that Kat, that caught Morph o Rubito...referring to Peter as una gringo de Americana Norte? who is 'spoiling' the colombians with those most generous propina?

why such a big deal is made? give a little bit and live.

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goin_south says on Jan 20, 2007, 13:52:

I feel like Gomezman5; "Always being corrected"...jaja Maybe it was Peter's wife that thought the guy was hot, And, Peter gave a little extra and told him to 'Stay the F*ck Away'.

Morph, I think yer board; go to the gym.

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goin_south says on Jan 20, 2007, 13:54:

Hey Rubito... how bout a video for YouTube, so we all here on pbh can see/hear your performance in Bogota

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Mr. Hollywood says on Jan 20, 2007, 14:00:

Here's my question: If tipping people generously will make them not want to work, then why do people in places like NYC work so DAMN HARD? They get big tips. Hell, I tip the delivery guy in NYC $10 sometimes for dropping off a couple bags of groceries. And yet he continues to work hard.

I never understoood the supposed inverse corralation between getting well rewarded and working hard. Personally, I think it's just a bunch of upper class Colombian bullshit to rationalize being cheap with the have-nots. And there are plenty of gringos who seem to feel the same.

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goin_south says on Jan 20, 2007, 14:15:

Good Point Mr (Bill Holly)wood simple math would imply that 'if I work well and they pay well, I will continue to work well, and strive to be better'. I agree. (Have to excuse the skewed thinking of all those 'abused-as-small-children' pbh posters). (no laughing matter)

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goin_south says on Jan 20, 2007, 14:49:

I agree with that also, ... with Rubito "People should simply be decently paid..." But, it (tipping) was likely a 'corporate bottomline-building' concept taught in NYC, in some Hotel Elegante.

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jan 20, 2007, 16:06:

my husband and me gave a generous propina to someone from Prague, stupid of us didn't know that Prague still have their curency the Koruna, and we gave the guy that pick up us from the airport 10 euros which is a lot of korunas, no wonder he was very happy.

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Robert Jorge says on Jan 20, 2007, 17:58:

My fiancee and I found a nice bar in Villavo within walking distance of our apartment. KATT1, it is La Casa de la Cerveza on calle 15 across from the Postobon plant. Anyway, when we first started going there, like most places in Colombia, you would have to whistle or clap your hands to get the server to come bring you another beer. Even though the service was poor - but normal, I left a little tip. Probably 3 mil ... maybe less. My fiancee thought it was unecessary, and I told her to watch the service change. Sure enough, within a few weeks, we were served our beers as we were sitting down. My bottle would be close to empty, and the guy would be right there asking if I wanted another. A week before I left Colombia, we told the guy ... our regular server, that I would be leaving. Our last night, the guy gave me two Aguila cerveza mugs from the bar. Of course it didn't cost him anything personally, but it was a nice gesture. Sometimes we would be there late, they would have closed up normally. The only reason we had this excellent service, and got perks, was because I tipped a little bit ... and we were both genuinely friendly with the staff. Off topic, but damn I miss those 100oz girafes of Aguila for 15.000 mil.

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poco says on Jan 20, 2007, 19:35:

Clueless is as Clueless does 1) search the forum, this has been discussed to death.

But,, but,, but,,, we have NEW clueless folks posting. I do not expect a person to search for previous posts.

PLUS: I like some of these repeat posts. It gives me an opportunity for a fresh approach.

This is a common fruit sold on street corners. They wash it (if you ask) cut "slits" and sprinkle with salt and squeeze a little lime on top and put it in a plastic holder. Small "bite sized" pieces can be easily detached and eaten.

The vendor has to HAUL MANY KILO's of fruit to the street EVERYDAY, or PUSH HIS KIOSK CART to his preferred location.

Oh,, he also has to procure the fruits and condiments and get it to his house. His little street stand is NOT AIR CONDITIONED, he has NO BENEFITS, the sun get HOT and he has very little shade and he has to reverse this process every night and of course we all know that lime juice is acidic and his hand might fall off in 50 years or so (it gets more HAIRY on some other folks).



When a person suffers a panic attack of guilt because HE does not need to work REALLY HARD to live and feels guilty,,,, Then he should:

When the vendor says the price is 1,500 pesos pay the street vendor a "clueless" price of 2 Mill Pesos or to really impress yourself with your generosity, then pay him 5 Mill pesos.

Overwhelmed with guilt the purchaser should return (running or at least walking at a brisk pace) and give the vendor a minimum of 5 Mil MORE Pesos and find the nearest church that will accept his confession.

The purchaser leaves the church feeling good about himself, the street vendor thinks he has hit the jackpot and hopes more clueless people come his way, the locals think those damn rich gringos will drive the prices so high they won't be able to afford a snack in a few years and the women see a free trip to Gringo Land courtesy of a "dupe".

Yes, feel good because in a small way you have screwed with the local economy and one person might thank you but 100 others wish you would JUST GO HOME.

PS: The street price for this Guayaba snack is 400 to 600 pesos.

PS2: Know what this is ? It was IMPORTED from ARMENIA COLOMBIA and was semi-custom made for my latest project. Colombians do damn nice work,, tooooo bad they don't get much of an opportunity to find clueless tourists. IF THEY ONLY KNEW they could get rich bagging at checkout stands they would line up for work at Exito,, Hell, they would probably PAY EXITO for the job.

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poco says on Jan 20, 2007, 19:56:

More clueless folks,, I hope there aren't many more. He has to wear an orange and blue outfit, works from morning until dark,

Really ? Are you another crusader out to help to poor ? Have you ever worked from morning until dark ? Would you ? somehow I doubt it.

Want to help the poor then buy their stuff and pay them correctly. I can tell from your post that you know VERY LITTLE about Colombia but it tells me much about you. Looks like you might have a need to feel good about yourself, maybe good isn't the word,, superior seems a better fit.

Selling Bon Ice is a JOB. A person can PURCHASE FOOD with his earnings. Guys selling Bon Ice can acquire GIANT wheeled Penguinos,, kind of cute aren't they,, I've seen the Pinguinos mounted in the front of orange, 3 wheeled bicycles.

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Mr. Hollywood says on Jan 20, 2007, 20:32:

Rubito Nobody here is suggesting that you should tip more than you can afford or, in fact, more than is reasonable. But as I'm sure you agree, stiffing people with the excuse that it will keep them from "becoming lazy" is totally stupid, not to mention self-serving on the part of the modefoques who do that.

I personally didn't know that grocery baggers in Colombia worked for tips. I've certainly NEVER seen a Colombian tip them. Maybe the stores where I shop (Carulla, Pomona, Carrefour) have a different system. Will have to check it out.

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goin_south says on Jan 20, 2007, 20:33:

not only that, but it seems, maybe the weed down there is even getting better again.
An oz of Colombian Gold, por favor!

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goin_south says on Jan 20, 2007, 20:40:

Morphus, then another photo please on this one: Regards Louis Perez: ""He was with a woman that had to be one of the most beautiful I ever seen in Colombia.""


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Robert Jorge says on Jan 20, 2007, 23:38:

Poco. What is your hang-up? Somehow I irritated you about mentioning how hard Bon Ice guys work. You asked if I have worked from morning until night. Actually, yes, I have. Do I now? No. I certainly did not want to come across as a crusader. I was, and am, humbled by how hard people work. The guy I was describing works his ass off for very little. I am not sure what I said that made you upset.

You said that you can tell from my post I know very little about Colombia. Sorry, that I do not know that much about it (Colombia). I never claimed to know a lot about Colombia, and I am sure I will never attain your knowledge of it. And then you said I had a need to feel good about myself. So what? Then you said "superior" is a better fit. This I find offensive. I was going to write a response to that, but you are not worth the time. I can assure you, I am the OPPOSITE of feeling "superior" to anybody. The way I live, the way I treat people, is about as far away from feeling superior as you can get. I might not know much about Colombia - but I know myself a hell of a lot better than you ever will. So Poco, find somebody else to be offended by - I don't care for your crap.

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kalder says on Jan 21, 2007, 04:57:

Robert Jorge A poster writes: "I can tell from your post that you know VERY LITTLE about Colombia but it tells me much about you."

I always enjoy Robert Jorge's posts: They're invariably intelligent, sensitive and articulate. So, I can tell from his posts that he is a gentleman. To vilify him groundlessly is not the work of the same.

I can also tell that he doesn't need anyone to help him fight his battles; so I apologise in advance if I've waded in where I'm not welcome.

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Monpirri says on Jan 21, 2007, 05:15:

Life's Little Instruction Book Some people here need to read the little book and it does not cost much, "Life's Little Instruction Book" This book has really good tips.

188 Become the most positive and enthusiastic person you know.
378 Get all repair estimates in writing.
390 Street musicians are a treasure. Stop for a moment and listen; then leave a small donation.
480 Take a kid to the zoo.
5 Overtip breakfast waitresses

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jan 21, 2007, 06:12:

I don't mind giving 10.000 COP as a tip, that is about £2 in the UK and that is what I usually tip somebody here. 10.000cop is nothing in UK money.

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Robert Jorge says on Jan 21, 2007, 08:28:

Kalder, you made me turn red. I appreciate the props, but it is embarrassing. Anyway, since I am not working from sun up to sun down today, I am going to go wander around the mall, and take pictures of women's back-sides. ha ha (jaja)

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jan 21, 2007, 13:18:

I'm with those who think that everybody ought to get paid a decent salary for their work. Nobody should have to depend on tips to make the ends meet, moreover, I think tipping should go out of style. That's one thing I love about living here in Scandinavia; I don't have to worry about tipping, except maybe in better restaurants or hotels. But tipping baggers, hairdressers, taxidrivers, just about anybody who works in any service job is to encourage the handout mentality. Everybody ought to get at least then minimum salary plus the benefits, regardless their age or education level.

Cheers,
Desi

"Soy el que siempreanda de noche en el vecindario, sé cuando ladra el perro, sé cuando canta el gallo sé cuando estan dormidos los muchachos de mi barrio..." (From the joropo "El pajarillo")

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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podborski says on Jan 21, 2007, 14:00:

I usually tip a little bit extra everywhere, like from 500 pesos to 2 or 3 thousand, and the difference it makes in the service I get is amazing. You definitely get paid back in spades, like it or not.

Some Colombian friends scrutinize the bill like their lives depend on it and are aghast when I add even a few extra pesos (as the tip is already built in). They try to give me the money back and I usually have to sneak it onto the table as we leave.

Just for giving the doorman at kukaramakara a 5,000 tip one time, I always get in right away, always get a front row table.

One time he even kicked out some people from a good table to make room for my friends and I. I felt bad about that, but he wouldn´t let me give the table back. After a while we let them quietly squeeze back in with us.

So don´t go too overboard with the tipping.

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jan 21, 2007, 14:14:

so, tipping is something like bribing to you?
You give a large tip to bribe the doorman to get you the best table? Even if he kicks out the people who already had it? You tip to ensure that you are treated in a special way and get extras and priviledges? I hate that.

If tipped, it should only be as thanks for outstanding effort or service, when leaving the place. Otherwise it just converts into a bribe.

Cheers,
Desi



"Soy el que siempreanda de noche en el vecindario, sé cuando ladra el perro, sé cuando canta el gallo sé cuando estan dormidos los muchachos de mi barrio..." (From the joropo "El pajarillo")

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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goin_south says on Jan 21, 2007, 15:41:

si, Desi.... he is a pre-pago! lol

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podborski says on Jan 22, 2007, 12:22:

there are tips for good service like in a restaurant, and then there are bribes. I often give bribes. It's common in latin america, much more so than in NA. I'm even starting to believe it's efficient.

I´d rather not have to bribe the policeman outside my house here in BsAs, but seems to be the way it's done. Cheaper than hiring private security I suppose.

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podborski says on Jan 22, 2007, 12:26:

BTW, if you read my post I neither asked, expected or wanted the doorman to kick people out of their table, I just found once I had tipped him I couldn't avoid his excessive displays of ´good service´.

But I'd definitely bribe my way past a line up, any day of the week.

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goin_south says on Jan 22, 2007, 13:24:

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goin_south says on Jan 22, 2007, 13:24:

Desi, ... He's a "Pre-Pago Pod" For Political correctness, shouldn't your name be:
I-podborski?

kidding with you, dude. I completely understand your perspective, and agree. I waited enough tables in my days, to understand. But, it just sucks, when you 'pre-pay' the gratuity and that person is JUST GETTING OFF SHIFT! lol

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podborski says on Jan 23, 2007, 05:09:

popular spots that have line ups either let in the beautiful people or those with some cash.

I only qualify for the latter. Having been an economist I try to make the most efficient use of what I have.

A 5 dollar bribe in NA would be laughed at, to say the least, in colombia it works wonders.

Funny how quickly you adjust to the prices where you live. I practically get into fights with cab drivers here if they overcharge me 50 cents.

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JMCana says on Jan 23, 2007, 06:30:

Interesting I like the idea that people give a descent tip for descent service. It is your way of voting for the service you receive. But I agree with being within reason.

Many house cleaners Colombia work very hard. Some are good and some are not that good, but I have noticed they are all paid about the same. When we moved to a small place and far from the house cleaner we decided to try people closer. In over a year we never found one as good as the original. The initial cleaner now gets double her normal wage plus bus fare. I feel she is being adequately compensated for being a good worker. She is happy and I am happy.

But am reminded of one young lady in the United States who worked at a high class strip club (if you can call a strip club high class). Way to flat to be on stage or be a waitress she was the hostess and seated people. Men will pay big dollars to be near the stage. Her lunch and early afternoon (4 hours of work) tips came to about $500 a day.

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kalder says on Jan 23, 2007, 07:26:

I've always wondered (quite seriously) why stripclubs exist, when there are brothels in the world.

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Peter (Moderator) (Trustee board) (Dev team) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jan 24, 2007, 08:57:

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vicshere says on Jan 24, 2007, 09:50:

Peter Peter you can never repay an unpaid tip...that moment is lost in some cases for ever......and Peter stop ruining Colombia for the rest of us gringos.....you may have money to throw away....but some of us earn Ps and pay Ps......as for the baggers I tip the most 500 if they are good.....I don't know how many times these clue less "baggers" lose or misplace my groceries....its paid on the receipt but doesn't show up in the house....and I bring my own groceries home in my own car to

listo
"con mucho gusto"
Vic

listo

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Azul says on Jan 25, 2007, 07:28:

I want to pay what Colombians pay. I'm not going to waste my time being cheap and haggle some guy out of a few K pesos, but I also am going to make sure that I am not paying Gringo prices.

las cosas caen por su propio peso

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vicshere says on Jan 25, 2007, 08:15:

dont forget don't forget...if you want to live like a Colombian you have to haggle that's part of the culture the business person excepted to be haggled...his price has haggle built into it....your 7K roses actually can be sold for 4K and he still makes a good profit .....if he wasn't making a profit believe me he wouldn't have sold you the roses ....once the deal it done and you pay the deal is done going back to pay more is giving papaya the more papaya you give the more you look like an idiot and you really are opening yourself up to be taken advantage of...as many of my Colombians say"don't give papaya"

listo
"con mucho gusto"
Vic

listo

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Monita Linda says on Jan 25, 2007, 10:38:

Ok here my 2cts.I never Ok here my 2cts.
I never tip. When I went to a supermarket for the first time when I was in Colombia, I went with my in-laws which are quit wealthy (for Colombian standards - "normal to high" for western standards) and nobody of them ever tipped a bagger. Never. And the tons of times I went with my guy, we never tipped. I never do it........
I don't even like the way they pack the bags...

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Peter (Moderator) (Trustee board) (Dev team) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jan 27, 2007, 08:52: