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adrimm says on Aug 13, 2007, 11:46:

She has no transferable skills? I'm sure she could work in a shop or something, share a flat with others, have rented a room in a family home. Hotels are expensive.. that's the first thing to avoid.

I'm soft-hearted when confronted with situatons like this in-person, but stepping back I am apalled that someone would be so unprepared. I recently met a vivo who announced that they were expecting someone else to pay their way to x x and x place... as if they deserved it simply for being them.

Starting anew is hard work, one must be prepared, have a plan and do what it takes. I have a friend who is an IT professional and moved to the UK from Oz.. he moved furniture for two months in order to get by.

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webmanco says on Aug 13, 2007, 11:46:

I guess she got more to tell besides lack of opportunities back in Colombia. I she is so desperate she should had taken the ticket offer, alone in another country, what about family love? She must be by herself in the world but to get a visa and aireplane tickets is not as easy.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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gabolicious says on Aug 13, 2007, 11:52:

I think the same as you webmanco... now regarding the job... she has no papers... she is on a tourist visa...

this girl is my paisana and i feel like I have to help her, but my friend offered her home... now I am a little bit worried because she has (legally speaking) an illegal person at home and here in Mexico that could be considered "tratante de blancas"... I honestly thought that this could stay at my place but since Im a man and she a woman, i though she could probably thought that i was taking advantage of her situation... I don't know...

As I say I am going to help her in everything I can, but I honestly feel sorry for her situation...

Elección no canonización....

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adrimm says on Aug 13, 2007, 12:45:

Does she really have a chance of becoming legal in Mexico? If not, then maybe she would have better opportunities in Colombia (but in a different region).

The only thing I can think that might help her is getting a job with a Mexican firm that would give her a working visa, either that or being there on a student visa for a program. Doing the program, and networking her way into a legal job. But considering she is already there, then maybe she can't change her Visa?

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Cerealkiller says on Aug 13, 2007, 13:54:

Gabito movio mio, thats very sweet of you and your friend to help this girl...I am sorry to be the party pooper but as you may know, not everyone is as nice as you are and some people take advantage of this. I say talk to your friend and ask her to be cautious, you never know... Again, that is very nice of you two, I dont think I would've gone as far as offering my house to someone I don't know, but I wish your friend the best of lucks and hopefully this girl will find something to do in not too awful long.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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Colombiche says on Aug 13, 2007, 13:55:

Sounds like somebody is going to off her back in Medellin.

I can't see Mexico being the land of opportunity. Mexicans are as hard on central americans and other latinos in their country as americans are on them.

I say she takes a bus up to the northern states, find a "reliable" coyote and sharpen up her river-crossing skills. Pobrecita.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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scotty says on Aug 13, 2007, 14:50:

so she just up and left Colombia unprepared to go to Mexico the land of opportunity? ok whatever.

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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gabolicious says on Aug 13, 2007, 15:01:

well guys and ladies...

here are some other comments:
- My friend offered her place because she said that colombians were kind to her, she says: "colombians did a lot for me when traveling in Colombia, how come I will stay here looking at her with my arms folded?", I don't really want to start a fight or anything but saying that ALL mexicans try to take advantage over colombians is simply too radical. She is always saying nice things about Colombia, some of our friends have told her "if you love Colombia so much go to that place and try to earn the same money you earn here" (I am not going to discuss whether this is true or not, nor if I'm in favor or not, cause my personal story is very different from hers)

- Maybe Mexico is not the best place to start a new life, but for THIS GIRL was or at least was the best option or was a viable alternative... no matter what we think about that issue. Probably her original idea was to enter to the US paying a "coyote" just as many latinos.

- "Mexicans are as hard on central americans and other latinos in their country as americans are on them." as far as they are illegals, yes! (at least I think so), as Simon once said (correct me if I'm wrong: "todos los que tengan algo bueno que aportar a mi país serán bienvenidos..." as far as I know (no matter if its a first world country but all illegals are treated as delinquents)... I don't know.

- Telling her to go to the States is not an option either... from my point of view, maybe she could have "better" options there but as illegal mmmmmmmm, believe me that will not solve the problem.

- My friend KNOWS she has to be careful just like the way she has to be careful when having a stranger at home, no matter if its american, colombian, mexican, peruvian, etc.

- I am confindent that she would think twice her situation and go back to Colombia. Anyway I will be there to help her. What I can do is just tell her the pros and cons of being here in Mexico... and then she will be the only one who decide what she would like to do with her life. Cause at the end of the day it's HER life and not mine.

=D

Elección no canonización....

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Aug 13, 2007, 15:15:

Google "Mexico's Glass House" - As an illegal alien in Mexico, all kinds of lawful, nasty things can happen to this woman.

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gabolicious says on Aug 13, 2007, 15:19:

yeah Tinto such is in every other country... remember what happended to that faimly in Belgium a couple of weeks ago...I think, no long ago there was an article in El Tiempo about an illegal colombian family in the US.. y mire lo que pasó....aquí y allá son tratados como delincuentes, no creen?

Elección no canonización....

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LA_MONA says on Aug 13, 2007, 15:20:

Gabo I would have done the same as you - if you have someone to help you when you arrive in a new country, I hope all goes well for her and she make's the best decision.

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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LA_MONA says on Aug 13, 2007, 15:21:

Sorry I meant to say it can make all the difference if you have someone to help you out in a new country, well just be careful and I hope you guys find a solution.

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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gabolicious says on Aug 13, 2007, 15:25:

Mona te estoy contestando tu mail bueno???

Elección no canonización....

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LA_MONA says on Aug 13, 2007, 15:27:

Ah tan lindo ;- )))

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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gabolicious says on Aug 13, 2007, 15:30:

Monita ya está... me cuenta no?

Elección no canonización....

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LA_MONA says on Aug 13, 2007, 15:32:

Jajaj si seguro que si! ;-)))

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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gabolicious says on Aug 13, 2007, 15:35:

Yeah Mona I hope she finds the right answer for her and for her situation... let's see what happens... hope everything is ok...

Elección no canonización....

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LA_MONA says on Aug 13, 2007, 15:35:

Gracias de todo corazon ;-)

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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paisa29 says on Aug 13, 2007, 15:36:

hola mona, que mas?

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gabolicious says on Aug 13, 2007, 15:39:

gracias!!! de qué??? NO SOMOS AMIGOS!!!!

AC� ESTARÉ SI USTED NECESITA ALGO, BUENO? CUENTE CON ELLO!!!

=D

Elección no canonización....

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LA_MONA says on Aug 13, 2007, 15:41:

Tan bello este muchacho ah? CK esta muy de buenas pues.

Paisa que me cuentas? Como has estado te deje un comentario en tu profile...

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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gabolicious says on Aug 13, 2007, 15:43:

Monita me avisas si de verdad fuí claro, si no lo fui let me know para que te vuelva a contestar...

Elección no canonización....

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LA_MONA says on Aug 13, 2007, 15:45:

Siiiii! Fuiste claro, lo unico creo que hoy no voy a dormir! Huy no no no. Es que mas encima de tomar un cafe a las 23.45 de la noche!

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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LA_MONA says on Aug 13, 2007, 15:47:

Ooops Gabo mejor aclaremos esto antes de que piensen quien sabe que! Que tu y yo tenemos algo going on porque lo de arriba puede dar una mala impresion!

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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gabolicious says on Aug 13, 2007, 15:47:

oh problemas, problemas, problemas... PROBLEMAS!!!

mentiras Monita trata de dormir, no es bueno tomar café en la noche...

jajajajajajajajaa

=D

Elección no canonización....

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paisa29 says on Aug 13, 2007, 15:48:

Que pesar lo de esa muchacha, me imagino que tuvo que estar muy desesperada para hacer algo así.
Yo se que aquí la situación económica es dificil y algunas veces mas complicada para ciertas personas, pero hay que seguir luchando con todas las fuerzas, yo personalmente prefiero vivir pobre pero feliz aquí en Medellín, ustedes no se imaginan la emoción y el orgullo que siento yo aquí con mi gente, ayer en el desfile de silleteros yo estaba absolutamente feliz.
Es pósible que ella estando por alla aprenda a apreciar lo que tiene aquí y regrese.

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gabolicious says on Aug 13, 2007, 15:52:

si paisa seguramente... solo espero que ella tome una decision de la cual no pueda arrepentirse en lo futuro... yo tambien soy de la idea de vivir "pobre pero feliz" haciendo alusion al titulo de este site...

Elección no canonización....

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LA_MONA says on Aug 13, 2007, 16:07:

Bueno chicos ahora si me voy a soñar con los angelitos ;-)))

Gracias por todo te escribire Gabo y Paisita mañana hablamos tambien puuueeeesssshh

Goodnight darlings xx

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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LA_MONA says on Aug 13, 2007, 16:08:

Paisa me alegra mucho que estes tan contenta en Medellin tu tierra, me encantaria vivir en Colombia ;-))

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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gabolicious says on Aug 13, 2007, 16:13:

EXACTO!!! MONA ACLAREMOS...

SI, MONA Y YO ESTAMOS TRATANDO OTRO TEMA...

Elección no canonización....

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gabolicious says on Aug 13, 2007, 16:24:

Monita que tenga muy buenas noches...

Elección no canonización....

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colombianoyque says on Aug 13, 2007, 17:16:

POOR COLOMBIANITA...

SHE GETS WHAT SHE DESERVS

SHE IS A COLOMBIAN

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gabolicious says on Aug 13, 2007, 17:21:

excuse me??

who the hell are you to judge this girl???????

Elección no canonización....

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brazilianhottie says on Aug 13, 2007, 20:48:

BRO que le pasa a esa Dominicana? me manda un message preguntando "como asi? yo no sy fea o si? que pregunta es esa? LOL>>did anyone recieve that email? from the Dominica chik?

Ricardo Izecson dos Santos Leite

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Miguel_Clavo says on Aug 13, 2007, 22:24:

Gabo, hook her up with Scotty...he would love to ride on a red/white/blue horse and rescue the Colombian damsel in distress from the Evil Kingdom of Mexico, cierto?

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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goin_south says on Aug 13, 2007, 22:47:

yeah, Gabo. Puta her photo up here, now. You know you will get some help. let me bring up kayak.com right now, for... let's C... La. to M.C. (no, no.. no M_C!)....kiddin you .....

Good Deed, ... Mr Samaritan Gabolici. Who knows? what will happen, but you did the right thing, in trying to extend a kind, helping hand... (as opposed to that one Chili-cono person who says that if you do a good deed, it will almost certainly come back to bite you in de ass.)

Where do we go from here?

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jinksmiester says on Aug 14, 2007, 00:06:

Nothing wrong with helping someone....the world would be a better place if people thought a little bit more about others and less about themselves...just don,t allow yourself to be taken advantage of and used.Some people are honest and genuine and some appreciate nothing and out to suck whatever they can of off others....like you though id be a sucker for a lady in tears...hope it all works out.

A man is not old until regret takes the place of dreams

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goin_south says on Aug 14, 2007, 01:24:

no doubt!
NO IDEA!!!!

Where do we go from here?

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Colombiche says on Aug 14, 2007, 05:10:

"Most of you guys have NO IDEA what it's like to immigrate to the US. NO IDEA!!!!" -- rubito

I know what it's like to immigrate to another country to "better your life", it's an uphill battle. You win some things you lose some others, but the process of uprooting or being uprooted is traumatic. Add to that the fact that you have to start completely from scratch and reinvent yourself... it's like learning to walk again.

Regarding Mexican's treatment of other latino illegals -- My boyfriend had to cross Mexico by bus, walk across the border with a Guatemalan coyote. On his way up to the northern border he was robbed by Mexican police TWICE, once they held a gun to his father's head and threatened to kill him. By the time they got to the crossing point they had very little left on them.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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gabolicious says on Aug 14, 2007, 05:20:

"And it's even that much LESS free when you are an immigrant " exactly!!!

It doesn't matter where your "LAND OF OPPORTUNITIES" is: Spain, Italy, Colombia, Argentina, Mexico... as long as you are illegal.... your opportunities MIGHT BE ZERO...

On the other hand, here in Mexico there are lots of argentinians who came when the economic crisis in Argentina... and I wonder if Mexico has nothing to offer, then why they stay here??? Maybe for argentinians works...

I talked to this girl yesterday... she first said that she is thinking in coming back to Colombia, but first she wants to try at least a couple of months... I have a colombian friend here, Juan Camilo, who is illegal as well, but he is doing pretty good here, I was thinking in introduce this girl to Juan Camilo...

sometimes I feel like this is the first time I am doing something "illegal"

Oh boy!!

Elección no canonización....

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webmanco says on Aug 14, 2007, 05:25:

good deeds are hardly illegal

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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john_stark says on Aug 14, 2007, 05:31:

"no, thanks I'll stay here cause in Colombia there are no opportunities, you should know..."

What total BS. She wasn't making enough money hooking in Medellin so she thought she'd go north.

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LA_MONA says on Aug 14, 2007, 05:33:

Gabo buenos dias! I have illegal friends and help them too, so what? If that's illegal so be it.

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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gabolicious says on Aug 14, 2007, 05:41:

Hola Monita muy buenos dias!!!

Pues sí, si uno va a ayudar... hay que ayudar bien y completo, no crees? mi amiga le dijo a esta chica que si alguien le pregunta algo (por qué está aquí o ese tipo de cosas) que diga que es mi novia! =P

Ahora resulta Monita que tengo una novia acá en México que se hospeda en casa de mi mejor amiga... te suena conocido??? jajajajajajajajajaa

Elección no canonización....

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webmanco says on Aug 14, 2007, 05:42:

Many times "illegals" can and do help "legals".

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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LA_MONA says on Aug 14, 2007, 05:44:

Jajaja that's what I call deja vu! Ten cudado con ella pues que tu sabes que la fiera anda por aqui ;-)

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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webmanco says on Aug 14, 2007, 05:44:

Has el bien y no mires a quien, but be aware that sometimes the "mouth you feed" so to speak might bite you in the future. Anyway the risk is worth.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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LA_MONA says on Aug 14, 2007, 05:47:

Yes Webmanco sometimes it pays off to be nice, like when you get that nice feeling of having made a difference to someone's experience in a strange place or when someone can't understand english and they're scared and you help them out, and someone says "thankyou" and you know that they really mean it.

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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gabolicious says on Aug 14, 2007, 05:51:

Como dice La Biblia "to the thristy I will give water without price..."

LOL Mona and Webmanco...

Justo hoy comienza su curso intensivo en "como darse sus vueltas en la Cd de Mexico" lo que me agradó fue su actitud, le dijo a mi amiga:

"que pena con usted, si quiere yo puedo preparar algo de almorzar para usted y para Gabo a cambio del hospedaje y la comida"

y mi amiga, sonrió y le dijo en "colombiano": "tranquila, que no le estoy pidiendo nada a cambio, mas que se cuide cuando esté sola y que piense bien las cosas, acá la situación tampoco es fácil, esto también es Tercer Mundo"

Elección no canonización....

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LA_MONA says on Aug 14, 2007, 05:55:

Gabito se me ocurrio una cosa, hay una cosa que si le puedes pedir, unas arepas hechos por manos de una autentica paisa!
Como hace rato que no comes?

Las paisas tienen fama de ser muy recursivas, hechadas pa' adelante y verracas, ojala que ella lo sea en esta situacion.

La biblia tambien dice "Hay mas felicidad en dar que en recibir" ;-)

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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gabolicious says on Aug 14, 2007, 06:03:

Mona Mona Mona... tan acertada como siempre, bueno la verdad es que tambien lo pensé así en comer unas arepitas, pero es que la verdad me dió como pena... pero seguramente mi antojo será más fuerte que la pena, si le voy a pedir unas arepitas.. por qué no?

La mayoría de las mujeres son muy muy fuertes y echadas pa'lante y no dudo que este sea el caso, porque sea cual fuere la razón de su exilio (no soy nadie para juzgar), no es fácil dejar todo atrás y empezar de nuevo... y además tomando en cuenta de que es paisa... bueno las posibilidades de que salga adelante son mayores.. en eso tengo plena confianza...

He pensado que si las cosas no salen bien para ella, se regrese conmigo a Colombia ahora que yo vaya, no crees?

Elección no canonización....

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LA_MONA says on Aug 14, 2007, 06:05:

Gabo cuando es que vas a ir? Yo voy en enero pero para Cali.

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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paisa29 says on Aug 14, 2007, 06:13:

Hola mona! Ay yo no se que pasa con esa foto, es la misma que tuve antes.

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LA_MONA says on Aug 14, 2007, 06:16:

Buenos dias paisa linda que mas? Bueno te cuento que estoy tratando de comprarme unas zapatillas (tennis) por ebay y no he podido encontrar! Como te parece que ahora en el trabajo contrataron a unos masajistas y nos van a dar media hora cada uno! Ahorita me toca, que rico!
Pues fresca por la foto no pasa nada.

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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gabolicious says on Aug 14, 2007, 06:24:

Monita en Octubre para mi cumple!!!!! I can't wait!!!!!

I want to see my paisa, and my family!!!! and of course my friends!!!

Elección no canonización....

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LA_MONA says on Aug 14, 2007, 06:27:

Que rico Gabo y cuantos vas a cumplir si se puede saber jejejeje no mentiras

Hmmm lo primero que mencionaste fue la paisa ja ja ja ja

Chicos hablamos ahora!

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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gabolicious says on Aug 14, 2007, 06:30:

Sabes "lo que pienso" de ella....lo malo es que la voy a ver con restricciones....

=D


YOU KNOW!!!

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Colombiche says on Aug 14, 2007, 06:30:

'Las paisas tienen fama de ser muy recursivas, hechadas pa' adelante y verracas, ojala que ella lo sea en esta situacion.'

Bueno, eso si!

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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paisa29 says on Aug 14, 2007, 07:45:

En eso tienen toda la razón.. los paisas somos muy BERRACOS

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gabolicious says on Aug 14, 2007, 07:54:

claro... paisas... finalmente

Elección no canonización....

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Cerealkiller says on Aug 14, 2007, 08:22:

Of course it is GIB, just look at their soap operas...poor girls ending up as heiresses, didnt you see Maria Mercedes went from a beggar to a millionaire back in the 80s??? I wanna move to mexico too and find my real billionaire dad with a summer house in Acapulco and all that jazz...

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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gabolicious says on Aug 14, 2007, 08:31:

CK Acapulco ya no es la gran cosa, hay mucha basura y solo la clase baja mexicana va a Acapulco... prefiero ir a Cancun...

Yo soy Anti-acapulco...

jajajajajajaja

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LA_MONA says on Aug 14, 2007, 08:38:

Holas!
Como asi pense que Acapulco era lindo?

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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LA_MONA says on Aug 14, 2007, 08:38:

Holas!
Como asi pense que Acapulco era lindo?

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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gabolicious says on Aug 14, 2007, 08:44:

lo fue en los años 50's y tal vez Elvis Presley lo hizo un "poco" famoso aunque creo que la pelicula nunca se filmó alli... no Monita, Acapulco ya no es bonito, lo único bonito es el atardecer, pero para playa Mexicana creo que Cancun, Tulum... son hermosas... Playa del Carmen y todas esas están en la Riviera Maya, en donde también están las piramides de Chichen Itzá...

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LA_MONA says on Aug 14, 2007, 08:47:

Y la isla o playa de mujeres? La verdad es que me gustaria conocer pero es que con San Andres tengo por ahora ;-)

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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gabolicious says on Aug 14, 2007, 08:52:

Isla mujeres... imaginate es una isla llena de mujeres nada mas!!!

jajajajajajajajaja

Mentiras, isla mujeres también esta en la Rivera Maya, sí San Andres es muy bonito también... y mucho mas barato que Cancun...

Elección no canonización....

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LA_MONA says on Aug 14, 2007, 08:54:

Exacto mucho mas barato, ah que recuerdos.

La paisa ya conoce Mexico?

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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gabolicious says on Aug 14, 2007, 08:58:

no =( aun no... dice que quiere venir... como dice Shakira "donde quiera que yo vaya voy"...

vos sabés Monita... no importa donde quiera ir... yo la llevo!!!

jajajajajajaja

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LA_MONA says on Aug 14, 2007, 08:59:

Hmmm es que eso es lo que me preocupa ;-)

Bueno y siempre te envio la foto CK, me la envias ok jajajaja que estoy MUY curiosa.

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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gabolicious says on Aug 14, 2007, 09:02:

pues dice que tiene unas sin bikini, yo pienso que con será con otro tipo de ropa... jajajajajaja

Claro si mi paisa se entera de esa foto... me MATA!!! jajajajajajaja

Me dice que "deje de andar pendejiando" jajajajajajaja

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LA_MONA says on Aug 14, 2007, 09:04:

Pendejiando con la pelirroja fiera de CK!! Jajajaja

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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gabolicious says on Aug 14, 2007, 09:09:

pelirroja???

esto se esta poniendo muy interesante!!! jajajajajajaja

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LA_MONA says on Aug 14, 2007, 09:11:

Si es pelirroja pero ojo le gustan mucho los martini's y eso no esta bien Gabo, tienes que hablar con ella de eso....

Oops perdone que estamos arruinando su post!

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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gabolicious says on Aug 14, 2007, 09:18:

Mona no te preocupes que yo hablaré en privado con ella!!

jajajajajajaja

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Cerealkiller says on Aug 14, 2007, 10:32:

Gabo, I have been to Cancun twice...once when i was 17 and I dont remember most of it. It was my senior trip and then I went back like a year after and I just hated it...it was just not my piece of cake, I did like Playa del Carmen and a pyramid tour I made but I dont think im going back to cancun...

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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gabolicious says on Aug 14, 2007, 10:43:

and where our honeymoon will take place then???

I love Latinamerica... think in a country in Latinamerica... would you? hahahahahaaha

=D

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Colombiche says on Aug 14, 2007, 10:44:

I have been to Cancun, I just remember being in a resort full of drunk brits ;P

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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gabolicious says on Aug 14, 2007, 10:47:

yeah Colombiche LOL the thing is that for mexicans is too expensive only go there "los de dedito parado"

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Cerealkiller says on Aug 14, 2007, 10:56:

Gabo, I want my 2 carat platinum ring from tiffany's first, then we can worry about honeymoon...We can go to the amazon, I like that sorta stuff. Sleep on it and let me know what you think :P

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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Cerealkiller says on Aug 14, 2007, 10:59:

Mona my pic is without a bikini, I am not sure you wanna see that. I am sending the raunchy one of me in hotpants, just to piss his paisa off.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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gabolicious says on Aug 14, 2007, 11:10:

si por eso te digo que pienses en la luna de miel porque lo del anillo ya lo estoy viendo... tu te mereces eso y mas!!!

pero por favor don't "piss my paisa off" si podemos vivir tranquilos, para que pelearnos????

=D

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Cerealkiller says on Aug 14, 2007, 11:13:

hahaha, gabo es por molestar. Tu sabes que yo no tengo ningun problema con tus relaciones en 3d, yo solo soy cibercelosa.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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gabolicious says on Aug 14, 2007, 11:16:

lo se querida, ya veremos como se ponen las cosas cuando yo le diga que tengo una cibernovia jajajajajajajaja

Gabo estará en problemas!!!

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Cerealkiller says on Aug 14, 2007, 11:22:

Pero gabo, en tu defensa puedes decirle que eres mal cibernovio, que tratas de usted a tu cibernovia y que nuetra relacion esta completamente mediada por tu mejor ciberamiga...No me quejo, pero si quieres dile que me envie un mail y yo te aseguro que no vas a tener ningun problema.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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gabolicious says on Aug 14, 2007, 11:29:

ja!!! si es que sobrevivo!!!

lo que pasa es que ella es un "poco" celosa... por no decir "muy muy muy" celosa

pero fresca que yo la entretengo...

=D

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