The Interpol Findings on Reyes' data....

tasco66 says on May 15, 2008, 12:17:

Interpol clears Colombia of tampering with rebel computers

The Associated Press
Thursday, May 15, 2008

BOGOTÃ?: Interpol, the international police agency, was to report Thursday that Colombia did not tamper with computers that the nation says it seized during an attack on a leftist rebel camp, security officials said.

The three laptops, two external hard drives and three USB memory sticks contain a trove of files suggesting that President Hugo Chávez of Venezuela tried to arm and finance the guerrillas. Venezuela denies any such aid and claims that Colombia faked the computer evidence.

The security officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the report was not yet public, said the forensic study would say that Colombia did not tamper with the files.

Such a conclusion would increase pressure on Venezuela's socialist government to explain the evidence of its close cooperation with the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, or FARC.

Colombia said its commandos recovered the computers from the rubble of a rebel camp across the border in Ecuador that was destroyed March 1 by Colombian forces. The FARC's top commander, Raúl Reyes, and 24 others were killed in the raid.

Chávez has called the documents fakes, consistently referring to "the supposed computer of Raúl Reyes." He denies arming or financing the FARC, though he openly sympathizes with the group, Latin America's most powerful rebel army.

Interpol's forensic exam was limited to verifying whether Colombia had altered the files and correctly handled the evidence. The agency was not asked to analyze the contents of electronic documents themselves.

The most damning evidence to date against Chávez came in text files shown to The Associated Press last week by a senior Colombian official.

More than a dozen internal rebel messages detail several years of close cooperation between top officials in Venezuela's government and military with the FARC, including rebel training facilities on Venezuelan soil.

They also suggest Venezuela was preparing to loan the rebels at least $250 million , provide them with Russian weapons and possibly even help them obtain surface-to-air missiles for use against Colombian military aircraft.

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

buggy says on May 15, 2008, 12:27:

It was written before ...

“Ojos y oídos para Norteamérica / para su propio pueblo, sordo y ciego" Pablo Neruda

buggy says on May 15, 2008, 12:30:

"A una persona le tomaría 1.000 años, leyendo 100 páginas por día, conocer el contenido de las 39,5 millones de páginas de archivos en formato Word de evidencia que se le entregaron a la Interpol, dijo el Secretario General, Ronald Kenneth Noble, quien destacó la independencia e integridad del organismo en la evaluación de la evidencia."

http://www.eltiempo.com/justicia/2008-05-15/ARTICULO-WEB-NOTA_INTERIOR...

How old was Reyes-Mathusalem? 1000 years ?

“Ojos y oídos para Norteamérica / para su propio pueblo, sordo y ciego" Pablo Neruda

jorgegdiaz says on May 15, 2008, 12:37:

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Le bogue est drole et obstinee !!
So, now INTERPOL has no credibility?

Man with hole in pocket feel cocky all day.

tasco66 says on May 15, 2008, 12:38:

Poor Cassini aka buggy posted here so many messages saying the computer files were fakes…proven wrong one more time…


BBC: Farc rebel link drives 'genuine'
Weapons found at the Farc camp

International police agency Interpol says Colombian officials did not tamper with computers they allege are proof that Venezuela financed Farc rebels.

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

buggy says on May 15, 2008, 12:44:

No proof that I am wrong.
Uribe and Santos said before Interpol the "truth".
If Interpol has credibility, it is said only that SINCE March 1st the data have not been manipulated.

“Ojos y oídos para Norteamérica / para su propio pueblo, sordo y ciego" Pablo Neruda

buggy says on May 15, 2008, 12:51:

It is strange that the files edited in the newspapers speak only of Chavez and Correa.
There were several meetings between french officials and Reyes, between the three "friend" countries (Spain, Switzerland, France) and Reyes; nothing in the Reyes computers about it ?

“Ojos y oídos para Norteamérica / para su propio pueblo, sordo y ciego" Pablo Neruda

jorgegdiaz says on May 15, 2008, 12:51:

In your senility, you have become deaf and blind.
Cassini, show me a CREDIBLE source (not virulent ANNCOL-like) that corroborates that it was fabricated.
To avoid misunderstanding, I am providing you with definitions of the the word credibility:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/credibility
http://www.britannica.com/search?query=credibility&submit=Find&source=...
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=credible*1 0&dict=A
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=HW*13110&dict=CLD2

Man with hole in pocket feel cocky all day.

cali373 says on May 15, 2008, 13:00:

tasco66

yo cannot be anymore wrong. You should actually read the articles and not assume.

"Interpol limited itself to verifying whether Colombia altered the files and correctly handled the evidence, but did not address the contents of the documents, even making a point to use two forensic experts — from Australia and Singapore — who do not read Spanish"

Meaning the files were ot tampered with, NOT THE INFORMATION ON THE FILES. For example from the previous info that was released to the press, on ehad a number of 300 and referenced a code name which Colombia claimed to be Chavez lending 300 million dollars to the FARC. Interpol did not verify that interpretation. the number 300 could be anything and the code name could be anyone.

So what would be nice is to actually see the exact writings. which we have not.

On a side note remember Colin Powell addressed the U.N. stating we had evidence that Saddam had WMD's with pictures. but they did not exist.

See where I am going?

Smile if you are a thinker!

cali373 says on May 15, 2008, 13:02:

"International police agency Interpol says Colombian officials did not tamper with computers they allege are proof that Venezuela financed Farc rebels."

ARTICLE DID NOT STATE THAT AT ALL!!

tasco66 you would have a sucessful career at Fox news.

Smile if you are a thinker!

romy says on May 15, 2008, 13:04:

it would be nice if the discussion focused on the facts, or if people have opinions to make then clearly state that those are their opinions, not just imply that what you write is a fact.

buggy says on May 15, 2008, 13:09:

Yes, cali373, it is interesting to read the WHOLE report of Interpol:

http://www.interpol.com/Public/ICPO/PressReleases/PR2008/pdfPR200817/D...

“Ojos y oídos para Norteamérica / para su propio pueblo, sordo y ciego" Pablo Neruda

tasco66 says on May 15, 2008, 13:14:

Cali, I just quoted BBC (read my post again):

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7403685.stm

I did not make any interpretation.

You obviously have no idea what you're talking about!

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

buggy says on May 15, 2008, 13:16:

What is suspicious is that the colombian government has organized leaks of well chosen documents towards some newspapers (El Tiempo, El Pais de Espana, ...) with an interpretation of these documents.
The docs were chosen strictly to accuse Chavez and Correa and so torpedo the "cambio humanitario" which is the obsessive fear of Uribe.
But the interprtetation is not one-way.

“Ojos y oídos para Norteamérica / para su propio pueblo, sordo y ciego" Pablo Neruda

buggy says on May 15, 2008, 13:18:

IBBC writes: "International police agency Interpol says Colombian officials did not tamper with computers they allege are proof that Venezuela financed Farc rebels".

The important word is ALLEGE.

“Ojos y oídos para Norteamérica / para su propio pueblo, sordo y ciego" Pablo Neruda

buggy says on May 15, 2008, 13:19:

Another example:

ANGEL = CHAVEZ is an interpretation

“Ojos y oídos para Norteamérica / para su propio pueblo, sordo y ciego" Pablo Neruda

tasco66 says on May 15, 2008, 13:21:

“torpedo the cambio humanitario" like the release of Emanuel?

Didn’t you say that Uribe was lying when he suggested Emanuel was not being held by the Farc? Looks like you never get tired of being wrong on Uribe…

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

buggy says on May 15, 2008, 13:23:

For the second time, I ask why nothing has been edited about the meetings of Sarkozy's representatives with Reyes. Thre must be files on these computers ...Because it was difficult for Uribe to say that Sarkozy is a friend of the FARCs?

Remember, the first minister of France said that members of FARC sent to France could get the status of politic refugee (it was the acknowledgement of the belligerent status). This must have been debated with Reyes.

“Ojos y oídos para Norteamérica / para su propio pueblo, sordo y ciego" Pablo Neruda

tasco66 says on May 15, 2008, 13:26:

Maybe because the French did not deliver weapons to the Farc? Or maybe because the Farc did not finance the election of Sarkozy?

Do you see the difference with humanitarian contacts made to free Ingid? I guess you don’t.

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

buggy says on May 15, 2008, 13:32:

The case of Emmanuel was used by Uribe to try to impeach the success of the mediation of Chavez and Cordoba. Remember if you can.

I am sure that Reyes was killed before a meeting with Sarkozy for the freedom of Ingrid.
Uribe prefers Ingrid dead than alive.

“Ojos y oídos para Norteamérica / para su propio pueblo, sordo y ciego" Pablo Neruda

juancegomez says on May 15, 2008, 13:54:

Do you really think, buggy, that Ingrid was "finally" going to be freed?

I have no doubt that the subject would have been discussed and that some progress could be made, but to pretend that FARC does not know that Ingrid is their best "card"....and would be willing to free her "just" at that precise moment...just angry remarks from Ingrid's relatives and Correa are not enough to make that wish a reality.

Mr. Hollywood says on May 15, 2008, 14:04:

I can't wait to find out what internet sites Mr. Reyes liked to frequent.

Didn't anyone ever explain to him how to clear cache and history?

billyb says on May 15, 2008, 14:10:

"I am sure that Reyes was killed before a meeting with Sarkozy for the freedom of Ingrid'

Bugster, may I ask how you are sure of this?

juancegomez says on May 15, 2008, 14:31:

There were some envoys that wanted to meet with him, perhaps to arrange such a meeting, but Sarkozy himself wasn't in the area or anything, and even if he did meet with "Reyes", that doesn't mean that the magical result would be the freedom of Ingrid.

Mr. Hollywood says on May 15, 2008, 14:56:

Sarkozy would NEVER be that stupid. What, risk 6 years chained to Ingrid in the jungle vs. the next 10 shagging Carla Bruni in Cannes? Surely you jest.

buggy says on May 15, 2008, 15:11:

Embajada de Venezuela en EEUU alerta sobre manipulación mediática de informe de Interpol

La Embajada de Venezuela en Estados Unidos alertó este jueves a la comunidad internacional sobre la "grave manipulación" de las informaciones divulgadas por medios de comunicación, tras el informe presentado este jueves por la Policía Internacional (Interpol) sobre las computadoras hallados por el Ejército colombiano en un campamento de las Fuerzas Armadas Revolucionarias de Colombia (FARC) en Ecuador.

A continuación, el texto íntegro del comunicado:

La embajada de la República Bolivariana de Venezuela en Washington, DC, alerta a la comunidad internacional sobre la grave manipulación de las informaciones de las cuales se han hecho eco sectores políticos y medios de comunicación, ante el informe emanado por la INTERPOL este jueves 15 de mayo de 2008.

Es de conocimiento público, que lo único que reconoce el informe emanado por la Policía Internacional INTERPOL, se refiere a que los computadores supuestamente hallados por las fuerzas armadas colombianas, aparentemente no fueron alterados.

Otra naturaleza tiene el supuesto contenido de los mismos, el cual, sin previo pronunciamiento de la INTERPOL ha sido difundido, manipulado y convertido en propaganda por el gobierno colombiano, lanzando a través de personeros tanto de ese país como de Estados Unidos, las más temerarias e irresponsables acusaciones en contra del gobierno de la República Bolivariana de Venezuela.

Con enorme preocupación nos preguntamos cuál es la intención de estos sectores que sin ningún tipo de asidero se hacen cómplices de esta evidente campaña en contra del gobierno venezolano. ¿Esperan acaso acabar con cualquier posibilidad para lograr el acuerdo humanitario en Colombia? ¿Internacionalizar el conflicto de ese país extendiéndolo y desestabilizando Latinoamérica? ¿O acaso pretenden utilizar estos argumentos para cumplir con el viejo propósito de incluir a Venezuela en la lista de países que apoyan el terrorismo?

Más preocupante aún, es lo evidente de esta campaña cuya articulación responde a los pasos usualmente utilizados por la administración Bush para generar, incluso sin pruebas, la inestabilidad y la guerra en otros países.

Washington, DC, 15 de mayo de 2008

“Ojos y oídos para Norteamérica / para su propio pueblo, sordo y ciego" Pablo Neruda

docwilliam says on May 15, 2008, 15:32:

There is something that has been bothering me for quite a while and maybe someone can shed some light (as i am still learning). If the FARC is rich, from drug trafficking and hostage taking, why do they have to get a loan for $300.00 Million USD? What am I missing here?

"There's no time to panic"

juancegomez says on May 15, 2008, 15:38:

Why does the U.S. provide aid to Colombia if our own defense budget makes such aid look small in comparison, whether on a yearly or periodic basis?

I am not talking about the details of the claim you are referencing, per se, but about the logic which you seem to find suspect.

Personally, I don't think that having access to greater amounts of money makes small amounts of additional aid (whether in cash, credit, services or resources) useless.

Now, talking about one part of the claim, nobody knows FARC's real financial status, so simply calling them "rich" through drug trafficking, just like that, tells us very little about what the alleged (I am not assuming it is necessarily true or correct) 300 million could be used for.

billyb says on May 15, 2008, 15:43:

Don't forget that their finances have take a battering over the last couple of years as they have lost control over territory and the coke business within, not to mention all the money the manods medios have been skipping off with.

docwilliam says on May 15, 2008, 15:44:

I have read many news reports about the millions the FARC makes every year (where do the reporters and the Governments get this info? I dont know).

"There's no time to panic"

Mr. Hollywood says on May 15, 2008, 15:46:

Venezuela is welcome to loan me $300 million that I'll repay when I take over Colombia.

The fact that Venezuela even bothers to put out a communique like that says it all to me. The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

billyb says on May 15, 2008, 15:49:

Doc, I don't know were they get it, but it varies as much as when they report how many men the FARC has, I have yet to see two different news sources come up with the same figure yet.

Mr. Hollywood says on May 15, 2008, 15:52:

I'm willing to venture that it isn't cheap to continue to support an army of 10,000 - 20,000 people living in a country where they're being systematically hunted and cornered. Even with the generally minimalist conditions of the rank and file FARC, that's a lot of mouths to feed and take care of.

SiV says on May 15, 2008, 15:54:

So, now we know that the computers weren't tampered with, but what about the information relating to Chavez'/ Correa's alleged links to the Farc?
Are these documents going to analysed or released to the public? It seems to me that there's still a large question mark hanging over this topic.

Stultórum númere infinitum est.

Tinto (Moderator) says on May 15, 2008, 15:55:

When Sonia lost her computer, I think some experts in Colombia were trying to reconstruct/estimate the FARC's cash flow from drugs. I believe the number was somewhere between $35 million and $65 million per year. If that is anywhere close to accurate, it's not that much spread across 10,000 people.

billyb says on May 15, 2008, 15:57:

And with kidnappings down 70% under Mr. Uribe, that is an other source of their income that has ben impinged. Also campesinos are now more likely to call the authorities when extorted than they were in the recent past, so that is another source of income that has shown a decrease for these champions of the oppresed.

docwilliam says on May 15, 2008, 16:26:

I know! Maybe Chevez and his twin, in Ecuador are charging the FARC rent. You know how landlords are.....

"There's no time to panic"