The cold, slimy realization that one is no more than a real-live stereotype

La_Huella says on Nov 19, 2008, 01:29:

You're just a face in the crowd brother.

You want to distinguish yourself? Move here and see if you can hack it >:)

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Peter (Moderator) (Trustee board) (Dev team) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 19, 2008, 01:48:

justin.s says on Nov 19, 2008, 02:07:

Hmm I havent been to colombia yet, but no matter how common the situation may seem, it still can't compare to places such as thailand for example. How many million 'farang' go to thailand every year just for that reason alone?

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dwmte7 says on Nov 19, 2008, 03:39:

it's the 'good ship lollipop' mate....climb on board and enjoy the ride. lots of folks ride this ship. some make it to shore, some are lost at sea, some jump ship somewhere along the way, some drown and some make it to the destination: a happy life. you will undoubtedly be one of the above.

good luck to you and the lady. that's the issue, not whether the rest of us on the same boat are perplexed, f*****d up, sad or happy. although you're one of many, you're all alone. and as odd as it sounds, they're the same.

patriarch

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utopiacowboy says on Nov 19, 2008, 04:12:

It's wrong and you know it's wrong.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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sandman0011 (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 19, 2008, 04:39:

Philly says on Nov 19, 2008, 04:42:

August, yes the fact is you are one of many but you are on your mission. Every situation is unigue in its own way. We all travel the same path to get here, but it is up to you to make your own way once you get here.
The fact is, for me, I find Colombian women quite refreshing. They just do not have the attitude that I have come to know all to well from women I have had from the states. They are genuine and sooooooooooooo loving. I have found that my wife loves me unconditionally. I just had a hard time finding that back home. These are simple people here who do not take anything for granted. This reason alone is why decided to take that plane ride. Now, that I am living here, I do not regret one bit being on that plane with sooooooooo many others on the same mission.

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Bill Turley (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 19, 2008, 04:56:

teeo9111 says on Nov 19, 2008, 06:00:

Elmo,in all due respect I don't think Mr. August was referring to the spoiled colombian bitches of NYC,they are a different breed of cat once exposed to the american culture and lifestyle,just like american women.He's referring to the colombianas of Colombia.....

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Chriscan (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 19, 2008, 06:22:

badboy says on Nov 19, 2008, 06:56:

"It's wrong and you know it's wrong"

haha

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jdixon150 says on Nov 19, 2008, 06:58:

I agree completely and often ask the same question but I think the above comment sums it up best.
dwmte7 says on Nov 19, 2008, 03:39 (today): flag
it's the 'good ship lollipop' mate....climb on board and enjoy the ride. lots of folks ride this ship. some make it to shore, some are lost at sea, some jump ship somewhere along the way, some drown and some make it to the destination: a happy life. you will undoubtedly be one of the above.

good luck to you and the lady. that's the issue, not whether the rest of us on the same boat are perplexed, f*****d up, sad or happy. although you're one of many, you're all alone. and as odd as it sounds, they're the same.

"Life is not a dress rehearsal" Rose Tremain..

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badboy says on Nov 19, 2008, 07:01:

"in new york, i have a hard time nailing broads in their 70's"

maybe you should go for those a liitle older...try 85 and up they're much easier...lol

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feldz0084 says on Nov 19, 2008, 07:06:

I havent been to NYC in ages Elmo, but in Minneapolis, the 10 Colombianas we have and 1 hot Peruana I saw while back are all married to some dorky fokn white guys with big pockets, who work downtown corporate

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Paisa/Calena/Luver says on Nov 19, 2008, 07:29:

"These Paisa women are dedicated to making a home for their families, being lovers and providers and seek a man that can provide for their futures. They are fiercely loyal and expect only fidelity in return."

This is a big LOL IMO, paisa women are the worst when it come to fidelity in my experience in Colombia, they are the most promiscuous of the Colombianas. They think and want to be the "modern high class, educated women" and will remind you of it constantly. They are always looking for the next best thing around the corner. They like relationships and all the perks and good things that come with relationships like love, gifts and a sense of being wanted BUT they do not want ANY of the respect or responsibility that comes with it, they still wanna do "que se le da la ganas".. They dont want to give up things like not going out to clubs or staying in or flirting with other men on MSN or Facebook.. in other words they are the masters of "having their cake eating and eating it too" There are only 3 types of male on the flights to Medellin for the most part, #1 Men living and working visiting family(few) #2 Men visiting their "esposas/novias" no matter how they met her whether its a lie or not(many) AND #3 Male sex tourists(THE MOST) Period!

"PAY ATTENTION! I wonder if that person knows that when we push the FUNNY button, its because we are reading something outrageous, trying to be cynical, derogatory, sarcastic and/or obnoxious!"

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Chriscan (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 19, 2008, 07:35:

TheYoungEngineer says on Nov 19, 2008, 08:38:

Haha - yeah - I feel pretty messed up sometimes - I go to school with all guys.. I go to another countries with all guys from my country to hang out with ladies there... jeez - where did I end up? Maybe just on top.

And yeah - pretend to be poor and see if they still love you, dont buy them expensive stuff, let them take you out, if they will stick with you and help you out, pick you up on a date... then you might be in luck! Oh and talking about moving to colombia to live with them is also a good test too.

and elmo - anyone who is your age - and approached by a 20 year old broad should know better. It happens everywhere. So yeah I totally agree - they are up to no good haha, but this is an obvious fact that anyone should be able to figure out knowing your age. You are right around the age where they don't have to wait too long before knocking you off soon after...
Now the question is elmo, do 50-70 year old women in colombia try and hit you up the same way?

And the funny thing is some other stories sound so similar here I could swear we are all going out with the same colombiana - then I feel screwed over.
I wonder if on the plane trip back you see it half full of colombianas going to the states?
I guess we should feel sorry for the colombianos left behind... but our world is all about free trade no... so eventually the imbalance will become great and American women will have to start looking overseas too.... just too bad they probably wont pick Colombia as their first destination from all the things I read about colombian men here.

I guess the US is just strip mining another natural resource of this world - get yours soon before this mine just turns into another environmental disaster. All that will be left is fugly.

maybe that could be fixed by somehow having moms be like hens - keep the eggs at the right temperature and they all turn out to be women! Now thats my kind of world...

I should really stop with all these politically incorrect comments haha - I should also adopt a saying also - most of what I say is in fun or coming out of my derriere.

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TheYoungEngineer says on Nov 19, 2008, 09:02:

yeah - I agree - but also they have grown up and had experience too... so do those older ones chase after you too? or are you too busy with the 20yo ones?

And whats wrong with older women anyways? There are plenty of nice looking older people - and they dont want ipods and the like.... (except for my grandma)

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webmanco says on Nov 19, 2008, 09:24:

:-)

No hay extremo cierto o verdadero, porque los extremos opacan, enruedan, (lavan cerebros) verdades. Yotas

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paisa29 says on Nov 19, 2008, 09:25:

Paisa/Calena/Luver ... cada quien habla de como le va en la feria... me pregunto que tipo de mujeres anda relacionado ústed.

"Fill the earth with the light and warmth of hospitality" Conrad Hilton

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Paisa/Calena/Luver says on Nov 19, 2008, 09:38:

Yo te entiende su lado paisa 29 pero ese es mi humilde opionion, con mucho experiencia saliendo con bastante viejas alli para 4 anos. Ese fue casi mi numero uno razon para mudar de Antioquia. Todo la gente tiene su direcho para tener su opinion personal y ese son mios 100%..

"PAY ATTENTION! I wonder if that person knows that when we push the FUNNY button, its because we are reading something outrageous, trying to be cynical, derogatory, sarcastic and/or obnoxious!"

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paisa29 says on Nov 19, 2008, 09:41:

respeto su opinión, pero eso no le darecho a generalizar porque todas las paisas no
somos así

"Fill the earth with the light and warmth of hospitality" Conrad Hilton

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Waterdawg says on Nov 19, 2008, 09:44:

PCL / That's kind of a broad Statement , don't ya think ???? I have lived down South for five years now , and ya I see some of what you are eluding to , but also some really great , cute and Nice Women too .. Folks are pretty much the same the World over... No ???

Dumb ass Sugar Daddy's from English speaking Country's only make things only worse.. I have very few Gringo friends here ( and I am one ) .. For me it's all about trying to make friends first ...

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Paisa/Calena/Luver says on Nov 19, 2008, 09:56:

Waterdawg! one of the first acronyms in my first statement was IMO(in my opinion) thats all is it.. Thats how I feel personally! no more no less.. I give you kudos on how you see some of those hyjinks going on down there as well and are not blind to it like MOST gringos(covering the sun with one finger lol) and I agree there are some great women to be found there though far and few between. Geesh I found one. It took me A LONG while but I found one. I like the fact that you go out of you way to try and help your CIEGO gringo buddies when possible. Good for you!

"PAY ATTENTION! I wonder if that person knows that when we push the FUNNY button, its because we are reading something outrageous, trying to be cynical, derogatory, sarcastic and/or obnoxious!"

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Waterdawg says on Nov 19, 2008, 10:02:

PCL / Everything is cool ... Some times I get tired of both sides ..lol .. It seems to get a bit over the top around here .. " Us vers Them " Gringo-Colombiano ... Men - Women and so on ... Grab a bottle of wine / Cheese / Spanish Ham / Old time Beach music / Pretty Lady and Chill !

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Mononoke28 says on Nov 19, 2008, 10:58:

To the OP, it's called love and being in a relationship. If you lived in LA and your girlfriend lived in NY, you'd be making the same amount of trips but on a national level. It's normal, it's life.

Diana

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Robert Jorge says on Nov 19, 2008, 15:12:

Paisa/Calena/Luver described my ex-wife spot on - almost scary. Except, she is from Bogota, not Medellin:

"This is a big LOL IMO, paisa women are the worst when it come to fidelity in my experience in Colombia, they are the most promiscuous of the Colombianas. They think and want to be the "modern high class, educated women" and will remind you of it constantly. They are always looking for the next best thing around the corner. They like relationships and all the perks and good things that come with relationships like love, gifts and a sense of being wanted BUT they do not want ANY of the respect or responsibility that comes with it, they still wanna do "que se le da la ganas".. They dont want to give up things like not going out to clubs or staying in or flirting with other men on MSN or Facebook.. in other words they are the masters of "having their cake eating and eating it too"

"You can not take the barrio out of the girl you really can't." Oneforamillion

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dwmte7 says on Nov 19, 2008, 15:51:

well, there's certainly those wandering colombians like colombianos. i think it's a bit more than a crap shoot, depends on how the two of you are. been there done that there are ladies in colombia as faithful as your dog, and there are those that follow the old chicken rule..."the old rooster says, cockadoodle doo...the old hen says anycockal doo" so just get to know your lady before you sign up for permanence....also....know yourself. don't expect what you don't give.

patriarch

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manINred says on Nov 19, 2008, 16:28:

"These Paisa women are dedicated to making a home for their families, being lovers and providers and seek a man that can provide for their futures. They are fiercely loyal and expect only fidelity in return."

What a terribly piss-poor generalization of Paisa women, actually so far off-base it's insulting.

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manINred says on Nov 19, 2008, 16:31:

Actually, this is an even worse, further off-base generalization.

"This is a big LOL IMO, paisa women are the worst when it come to fidelity in my experience in Colombia, they are the most promiscuous of the Colombianas. They think and want to be the "modern high class, educated women" and will remind you of it constantly. They are always looking for the next best thing around the corner. They like relationships and all the perks and good things that come with relationships like love, gifts and a sense of being wanted BUT they do not want ANY of the respect or responsibility that comes with it, they still wanna do "que se le da la ganas".. They dont want to give up things like not going out to clubs or staying in or flirting with other men on MSN or Facebook.. in other words they are the masters of "having their cake eating and eating it too"

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manINred says on Nov 19, 2008, 16:36:

So we have one who thinks paisa girls are doting, man-dependent, brainless homemakers and another who thinks they are crazy two-timing maniacal bitches...

August, this thread is proof that you should not necessarily believe stereotypes.And if you feel like a stereotype, do something about it!

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Paisa/Calena/Luver says on Nov 19, 2008, 16:39:

Again,, OPINIONS, EVEN YOURS! manNred are like assholes, everybody has one and they all stink.. lol One thing for sure though there are ALOT of wannabe know it alls on this forum.. Even drop me into that category.. lol

"PAY ATTENTION! I wonder if that person knows that when we push the FUNNY button, its because we are reading something outrageous, trying to be cynical, derogatory, sarcastic and/or obnoxious!"

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manINred says on Nov 19, 2008, 16:42:

Opinions that are insulting/borderline racist/sexist get deconstructed and ridiculed... deal with it.

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Paisa/Calena/Luver says on Nov 19, 2008, 16:45:

And again,, Alot of wannabe know it alls. Who think they are the Dr Phil of Colombia.. Who cant see other peoples opinions, I dont see anything borderline racist/sexist in my posts.. Deal with that. We just have to agree to disagree.. simple as that.

"PAY ATTENTION! I wonder if that person knows that when we push the FUNNY button, its because we are reading something outrageous, trying to be cynical, derogatory, sarcastic and/or obnoxious!"

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Paisa/Calena/Luver says on Nov 19, 2008, 16:54:

NO QUESTION.. Codyint in my statement the first acronym I used was (IMO) to be taken with a grain of salt. To be read just like that.

"PAY ATTENTION! I wonder if that person knows that when we push the FUNNY button, its because we are reading something outrageous, trying to be cynical, derogatory, sarcastic and/or obnoxious!"

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manINred says on Nov 19, 2008, 16:56:

The sexism was predominant in the first misguided generalization, and the racism was prevalent in the second misguided generalization. I guess it depends on whether paisas consider themselves a race or not (some do), in which case, regionalist would be more appropriate.

"And again,, Alot of wannabe know it alls. Who think they are the Dr Phil of Colombia.."
Are you referring to me? If you are, you're a hypocrite. I'm not the one spouting insulting generalizations about a people. Sounds to me like you're the wannabe know-it-all.

Americans are ugly little whiney bitches. There we go, let's see how that goes down. Sorry, I'll defend myself by claiming anyone who opposes me is Dr. Phil and that it's only an opinion, so deal with it.

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manINred says on Nov 19, 2008, 16:56:

ps I don't actually think Americans are ugly little whiney bitches.

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manINred says on Nov 19, 2008, 17:21:

It is unfortunate that you have had bad experiences with paisa women. If you want to paint them in a disgusting disingenuous light as a result, that's fine, but don't expect not to get called out on it.

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Paisa/Calena/Luver says on Nov 19, 2008, 17:31:

I have had MANY experiences with paisa women both good and bad and I call em like I see em.. I have run into people who feel exactly the same way as I do in Colombia, even some right here in this thread.. The statements I claim are my opinions for specific instances and NOT a generalization of paisa women as a whole. As for "disingenuous light" AGAIN thats your take.. And no I don't have to respect your words as you don't of mine of course, but I do take the time to read your words and accept them for what it is YOUR WORDS AND FEELINGS.. good for you.

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august says on Nov 19, 2008, 17:47:

Aw and the discussion was going so well...shame. At any rate, it's good to see different people's takes on this matter. Seems the lesson here is to focus more on one's heart rather than the over-representation of our types on PBH or my recent flights. I'm sure there's an equally large crowd of people with relationships with Uruguayans anyways, right?

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La_Huella says on Nov 19, 2008, 22:24:

I actually think the FIRST statement about Paisa women is worse. It's almost like saying "wow, those negroes are so joyful, they love to dance and jump and sing all the time, and swing their big dicks in the wind" :P

Unfortauntely I hear that shit IRL from Colombians almost as much as I hear it here on the forum, almost word for word. People love to pigeonhole and stereotype other people.

I also agree with Cody, I don't really think it's easier to pick up women here than it is in NYC, unless you are using enormous economic leverage to your advantage..... Which is real stupid when just paying for it up front is so much cheaper, like I pointed out already.

Now in the Dominican Republic it really IS easier to get laid, but it's also easier for the locals too :P

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goin_south says on Nov 19, 2008, 22:27:

""The cold, slimy realization that one is no more than a real-live stereotype""

FACE IT; Y O U ... A R E.... D O O M E D........... L . O . L .

That's your own reality. or, illusion. live with it.

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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Robert Jorge says on Nov 19, 2008, 22:52:

Mongo, I'll buy that theory. I agree.

"You can not take the barrio out of the girl you really can't." Oneforamillion

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dwmte7 says on Nov 20, 2008, 03:09:

let me hear, "amen"

patriarch

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utopiacowboy says on Nov 20, 2008, 05:13:

I appreciate my real doll.

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dwmte7 says on Nov 20, 2008, 05:38:

cowboy...would that be the blow-up or the barbie?

patriarch

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utopiacowboy says on Nov 20, 2008, 05:46:

Now that you mention it they used to say that she was a Barbie doll in Colombia.

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badboy says on Nov 20, 2008, 07:23:

"American women generally don't appreciate their men, or any men. Or, if they do appreciate him, they either don't want to or don't know how to show it. I don't know what part of American culture has made them that way. It could be consumerism, feminism, or a combination of factors."

american women are just as appreciative as any other women. that they are unappreciative is certainly a misconception and stereotype. the vast majority of guys find them perfectly acceptable. the very tiny minority of guys that don't find them appreciative most likely have their own issues and have been summarily rejected by them.

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badboy says on Nov 20, 2008, 09:17:

or to put it another way: guys who feel "unappreciated" by the women in their own country and go looking in other countries appear to be dysfunctional and disturbed and chronically immature. the sex tourists are something altogether different. lol

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TheYoungEngineer says on Nov 20, 2008, 10:05:

I think american women are just as appreciative - however many that I know are afraid to show it. It means a lot to me if a women goes up and gives me a hug - I do the same.
So for all women - dont be afraid to put your arm in your friends arm. Dont be afraid to give out hugs. Dont be afraid to say hello. Dont be afraid to tell a guy he is cute.

But I have to say - its probably mutual - many american men are the same.

So for everyone - lets just give each other some love - it makes the world a happier place :)

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Peter (Moderator) (Trustee board) (Dev team) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 20, 2008, 10:32:

badboy says on Nov 20, 2008, 10:49:

y.e.: "I think american women are just as appreciative - however many that I know are afraid to show it."

i hope you're not hanging with the very few women that may be in the engineering/mathematics disciplines....lol....head over to the humanities and social sciences and your opportunities will be limitless. or you can try giving those engineering babes some weed....this might loosen them up. many women respond very favorably in sexual situations with a little help from their herb friend. and you will be the happy recipient of their appreciation. lol

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Mononoke28 says on Nov 20, 2008, 10:59:

These Paisa women are dedicated to making a home for their families, being lovers and providers and seek a man that can provide for their futures. They are fiercely loyal and expect only fidelity in return.
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You just described almost every good woman I know, Paisas and not.

Diana

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august says on Nov 20, 2008, 11:10:

So true Peter! ZING!

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TheYoungEngineer says on Nov 20, 2008, 15:23:

Hahah!
Well first of all I agree - the engineering women (few and far between where I go) are pretty cold, so I dont even bother. I know going out with them would just end up solving differential equations on a Saturday night instead of having fun. (because I have done it)

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utopiacowboy says on Nov 20, 2008, 20:05:

You haven't met the right engineer, dude.

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dwmte7 says on Nov 21, 2008, 05:25:

you're right engineer....love makes all hurt better. and pretty soon, hurt goes away and is replaced by more love.

patriarch

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manINred says on Nov 21, 2008, 05:37:

"I find all the generalizations pretty dumb, and all the projecting of ones own insecurities on these generalizations kinda funny, and sad too.

But that's probably just me :)"

Nope, estoy completamente de acuerdo (i agree).

La_Huella, to which generalization do you refer?

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dwmte7 says on Nov 21, 2008, 16:00:

the 'general' ones.

patriarch

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Ken says on Feb 6, 2009, 20:10:

Are you Catholic or what? Why do you feel so guilty?

Life is short. Relax. Enjoy. Tranquilo.

Why the hell do you give a damn what the other people think? I sure as hell don't.
Some day you'll be rotting bones in a coffin and you won't be able to get any women for any reason.

Sure they're after us for the green stuff in or wallet or the green card. Who the hell cares. Life is short. Just don't get sucked in and always have the upper hand. It's like a game of chess.

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La_Huella says on Feb 6, 2009, 21:32:

MIR, I can't tell you how many times I've had the following convo with Colombian men...

"So you like our nice country huh?"

"Hell yeah, it's great!" (BIG thumbs up)

"Yeah, the pussy is awesome here isn't it? Say have you been to Medellin yet?"

"Uh no, but they tell me the Botero sculptures are beautiful and you can eat off the streets etc."

"Yeah but never mind that shit, bitch, Medellin is all about the fucking pussy, goddamn those women are fine, nobody touches those fucking paisa bitches"

"Uhh, thanks for the great advice, I'll be sure to check it out some day" (looking around for a REAL conversation somewhere)

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