The BIG differences between Colombia and U.S.

beisbollover says on Jan 11, 2008, 09:43:

We were settled by the British and they were settled by the Spanish.

Fundamental differences on starting a colony.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

joetexan says on Jan 11, 2008, 10:36:

We were founded by the British and Dutch, Protestant Puritanical fanatics.

Colombia was founded by Catholic Conquistadores, but a lot more Colombians are decendents of the Pirates of the Carribean than Conquistadores. I was shocked when I visited the Museam of Cartegena and learned that the city was once attacked by an ARMADA of 5,000 pirate ships! That's a lot of damn pirates.

The immigrates to North America came for religious freedom and had no intention of ever returning to Europe. The Conquistadores came to rape South America of precious metals and go back to Spain rich. We are all people of the New World, but we have very different histories.

Personally, given the choice, I would rather have been a pirate of the Caribbean than a Protestant puritanical fanatic. At least they had a good time once in awhile. I hate the self-righteous mentality of the Protestants and enjoy the sinfullness and debaunchery of Catholics, who can have the sins washed from their soul by the magical movement of a priest's hand and a few words of Catholic mumbo-jumbo.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

morphus says on Jan 11, 2008, 10:39:

First the Arabs raped Spain's ass. Then Spain raped Colombia's ass.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

joetexan says on Jan 11, 2008, 10:49:

A former Dean of the Nacional University once said to me that the shame of Colombia is that Colombia was not liberated from Vatican tyranny until the new constitution of 1993 (I think it was 93). My response was that it is completely reasonable that Colombia was the last country to be freed from regilious tyranny because the Catholic church had an extra two centuries to pile catholic bullshit on Colombia than elsewhere in the Americas. It takes a lot longer to dig out from under four centuries of bullshit that two centuries of bullshit.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

scotty says on Jan 11, 2008, 12:33:

more troll stuff huh?

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

0 funny, 0 helpful.

jaramillo says on Jan 11, 2008, 13:53:

Today there are more catholics than protestants in the U.S.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

rocinante says on Jan 11, 2008, 14:14:

.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

0 funny, 0 helpful.

joetexan says on Jan 11, 2008, 14:31:

jaramillo, you are wrong. Don't you follow presidential politics? Remember when Bush got in trouble for giving a speech at Bob Jones University? The president of the university wrote in the published information of the university that Catholocism is a Satanic cult and the Pope is the anti-Christ. It almost cost Bush the election, because as was extensive reported, 25% of the U.S. population is Catholic. I did make an error, however, in saying 75% are Protestant. 70% are Protestant, 2% are Jewish, and the other 3% are everything else.

Of course, after the scandle with the priests buggering altar boys, the percent of practicing Catholics has dropped.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

jaramillo says on Jan 11, 2008, 15:22:

You're right about the numbers, Joe.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Man Tequila says on Jan 11, 2008, 16:37:

These are big differences but I would think there are bigger ones.

Not least language, emphasis on individual vs. community, foreign policy, geography, enforcement of law, role of corporations and nature of civil war.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

0 funny, 0 helpful.

rocinante says on Jan 11, 2008, 17:29:

When people think about the difference between Colombia and the US the last thing they think about is religion. Joey T you seem obsessed - what's your agenda? What's your point? Is there a problem or are these numbers fascinating to you? Please expand or try to move these empty ideas to some point or conclusion. I'm not feelin' anything here.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

0 funny, 0 helpful.

CatGirl says on Jan 11, 2008, 22:09:

Mmm..Joetx; Please site your sources....

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

0 funny, 0 helpful.

john_stark says on Jan 11, 2008, 22:18:

So much nonsense, so little time.

The US religions are as follows: Protestant denominations 52%, Catholicism 24.5%, agnostic or atheist 14.1%, Judaism 1.4%, Islam 0.5%, Hindu 0.4%. Depending on where you live almost everyone may be Catholic. This is certainly true in South Texas.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

CatGirl says on Jan 11, 2008, 22:21:

Thank you john ..Purrrr

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

0 funny, 0 helpful.

christobeldawg says on Jan 11, 2008, 22:21:

In upstate SC, 90% protestant, 10% whatever.

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

0 funny, 0 helpful.

CatGirl says on Jan 11, 2008, 22:25:

Per the Wikipedia

California:[citation needed]

Christian – 77%
Protestant – 40%
Baptist – 8%
Presbyterian – 3%
Methodist – 2%
Lutheran – 2%
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints – 1%
other Protestant or general Protestant – 23%
Roman Catholic – 34%
other Christian – 3%
Muslim – 2%
Jewish – 2%
other Religions – 3%
non-Religious – 19%
The minority of California's Roman Catholic membership are of Filipino, Irish, Italian, and Hispanic ancestry. The population of Catholic Californians is rapidly growing due to the influx of Latin American and Filipino immigrants.

As with many other Western states, the percentage of California's population identifying themselves as "non-religious" (at over 20 percent) is comparatively high in relation to the rest of the U.S.[citation needed]

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

0 funny, 0 helpful.

CatGirl says on Jan 11, 2008, 22:26:

So I guess after looking at these statistics...the term "Christian" can be contraversial too

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

0 funny, 0 helpful.

CatGirl says on Jan 11, 2008, 22:30:

Wikipedia
A Christian (listen) is a person who adheres to Christianity, a monotheistic religion centered on the life and teachings of Jesus Christ as presented in the New Testament and interpreted by Christians to have been prophesied in the Hebrew Bible/Old Testament.

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Tomacoma says on Jan 11, 2008, 22:52:

Who cares!!!!!
Everybody check your sources and get back with us....
Did I mention who cares??

I'am livin' easy, eatin' poke chops greasy!

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Tomacoma says on Jan 11, 2008, 22:54:

We all have the internet. uhhhhh!!!

I'am livin' easy, eatin' poke chops greasy!

0 funny, 0 helpful.

john_stark says on Jan 11, 2008, 22:55:

Then it should be easy to look this stuff up and verify it.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Tomacoma says on Jan 11, 2008, 22:55:

Where the foque es elmo??
Got his name written all over it....

I'am livin' easy, eatin' poke chops greasy!

0 funny, 0 helpful.

CatGirl says on Jan 11, 2008, 22:59:

Exactly...amigo

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Tomacoma says on Jan 11, 2008, 23:06:

verify and get back with me JS....I'm busy doing important things like drinking this cold beer...

I'am livin' easy, eatin' poke chops greasy!

0 funny, 0 helpful.

john_stark says on Jan 11, 2008, 23:09:

I did verify it above to see if he was full of shit and he is.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Tomacoma says on Jan 11, 2008, 23:11:

Damn that beer was good!

I'am livin' easy, eatin' poke chops greasy!

0 funny, 0 helpful.

msaucey says on Jan 11, 2008, 23:15:

JS, I see you've made a new friend.....

The trouble about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed. - CS Lewis

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Tomacoma says on Jan 11, 2008, 23:18:

Just pokin fun J-S

I'am livin' easy, eatin' poke chops greasy!

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Tomacoma says on Jan 11, 2008, 23:20:

I'm new here, but sometimes it feels like it's a mines bigger than yours mentality...

I'am livin' easy, eatin' poke chops greasy!

0 funny, 0 helpful.

msaucey says on Jan 11, 2008, 23:24:

Yes, JS can bring out the best in some members....

Toma... Mine IS bigger... lol... j/k... just had to throw that in there...

The trouble about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed. - CS Lewis

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Tomacoma says on Jan 11, 2008, 23:31:

ii'm feelin saucey.........

I'am livin' easy, eatin' poke chops greasy!

0 funny, 0 helpful.

msaucey says on Jan 11, 2008, 23:38:

You wish you were feeling the saucey.... I've just met you... I don't move that fast!...... 2 more threads and we'll be there!

The trouble about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed. - CS Lewis

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Robert Jorge says on Jan 11, 2008, 23:41:

Catgirl - your cited percentages add up to 219%. Just giving you a hard time ... purrrr.

Christianity includes Catholics. Catholicism is the first Christian denomination. Protestants were an offshoot from Catholics (Martin Luther). So if a person is Lutheran, Methodist, Presbyterian, even Southern Baptist, those denominations can trace their roots directly back to the Holy Roman Catholic Church. Anyway, it kind of grates me when people seperate Christians from Catholics. By definition, Catholics are Christians and are the origin of that faith. It would be like saying there are Model T's and Fords. Not only is a Model T a Ford, but it was the first major, successful model that Ford came out with. There seems to be a big confusion with some people when they say Christians and Catholics. They actually mean, whether they know it or not, "Protestants" and "Catholics."

BEWARE of gold diggers.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Tomacoma says on Jan 11, 2008, 23:41:

I think I can, I think I can!

I'am livin' easy, eatin' poke chops greasy!

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Tomacoma says on Jan 11, 2008, 23:55:

Roberto como estas? No conversamos mucho...

I'am livin' easy, eatin' poke chops greasy!

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Robert Jorge says on Jan 12, 2008, 00:12:

Bien Tomacoma. Que tal? PM me if you want to chitchat.

BEWARE of gold diggers.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Tomacoma says on Jan 12, 2008, 00:29:

RJ, I'm in a bit of a tomacoma ahorita pero hablamos pronto claro??

I'am livin' easy, eatin' poke chops greasy!

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Robert Jorge says on Jan 12, 2008, 00:53:

Claro, bien. Ya yo voy por la cama. Tengo sueno tambien.

BEWARE of gold diggers.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

john_stark says on Jan 12, 2008, 07:56:

Tomacoma is not new at all, he's one of my old enemies from way back.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

CatGirl says on Jan 12, 2008, 10:07:

RJ -

"your cited percentages add up to 219%. Just giving you a hard time ..."

jaja I know...this is why I cited my source and after looking at the crazy numbers decided to add the definition of Christian. You see, many of those listed - if you ask some people are considered Christian (Protestant, Baptist etc..) It is amazing.

So the idea of the comment is (relation to the topic of the post)..."how can you make a presentation such as this? Where did you find information to support it? Look at the conflicting info about just "one" state" in the US? It is very diificult to prove this statement!" jaja" - OK? so I agree, it is crazy....Puuurr

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

0 funny, 0 helpful.

joetexan says on Jan 12, 2008, 11:06:

Rubito,

I forgot about the difference between Catholic and Protestant Canada, but you're right.
Europe is also divided between the Catholic south and Protestant north. I also agree that life is more easygoing in catholic cultures. I don't adere to any organized religion, but I prefer catholic cultures to the protestants.

It seems, however, that not many people want to understand the difference. And that catholics are particularly defensive. I have no reason to be defensive because I'm a proud infidel heretic.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

joetexan says on Jan 12, 2008, 11:09:

Rubito,

I forgot, thanks for correcting me on the date of the new constitution. I couldn't recall if it was 91 or 93.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

joetexan says on Jan 12, 2008, 11:11:

John Stark,

Thanks for the percentage breakdown. I was referring to ancestory, so I think that 14% of agnostic, secular, or atheist was included in protestant.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

joetexan says on Jan 12, 2008, 11:15:

John,

I think you're percentages add to about 90%. If the missing 10% are protestant, you're right at 75%. I make the point because I read 70% and I think that's probably right.

FDR once said: "The United States is a Protestant nation that tolerates Catholics and Jews."

I also make the point because with an Irish Catholic name everyone assumes I am Catholic, and I know the distrust of Protestants towards Catholics.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

slguy says on Jan 12, 2008, 11:29:

Got yourself a pretty good persecution complex going there, dontcha joe?

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

0 funny, 0 helpful.

CatGirl says on Jan 12, 2008, 12:15:

MMMmm hello slguy...having a good day?

Joetex: Interesting comment about Protestant vs Catholic. In the US some of the holidays we celebrate, we really don't know the exact origin of this. One example is St patricks day. As a little kitten I hated and feared this day..because if you do not wear green people have the right to pinch you - OUCh!
So as I became Cat - I learned from an irish friend that this holiday is truly based on a massacre. Anyone Not Catholic...were persecuted. I was told that on this day in Ireland Catholics wear green..but Protestants wear Orange in protest.
Again I am citing my source..an Irish friend..not attempting to create a big debate - OK boys?
Either way, it is a very interesting concept - if you don't wear green you get pinched. But in history if you were not Catholic you got.....
So now I refuse to wear green on this day, because
1) I do not have interest in participating in something that many people really dont have the facts on - truly (ask any Amercian about this, I have yet to get an accurate answer - they don't know - it is superstitious!)
2) If the massacre is TRUE I absolutely do not want any part of this holiday

OK - all done

I need to stretch my claws on another post

Purrrr

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

0 funny, 0 helpful.

joetexan says on Jan 12, 2008, 12:25:

slguy,

You are a sly guy. You try to condemn me for my posts and when I defend myself, you say I have a persecution complex. Clever. You really would be a good Inquisitor under the leadership of the first official torturer of the Catholic church, Padre Quasimoto. He must stand a as a beacon of hope to you in a troubled world.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

CatGirl says on Jan 12, 2008, 12:32:

Joetex; Amor, you need niiice foot massage....;)

I dont think Slgy intention were meant for this response from you. I don't know him as this type of person. Think of this as an intellectual debate...this is a passionate and very personal topic...;)

Puuurrr

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

0 funny, 0 helpful.

joetexan says on Jan 12, 2008, 13:09:

Cat,

Not to worry, comments from people on the internet never upset me. I can adjust from intellectual discussion to a gun battle and back with ease.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

CatGirl says on Jan 12, 2008, 13:14:

jaja...so check my comments to you in off topic..

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

0 funny, 0 helpful.

john_stark says on Jan 12, 2008, 15:01:

The missing 10% are NOT Protestant. Only 52% are Protestant. How many times do we have to go over this?

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Tomacoma says on Jan 12, 2008, 17:09:

%%%%%%%%%%%Blah . Blah, Blah......... Good to see you again or maybe it's just the drone of your voice that is so soothing.....Burp!

I'am livin' easy, eatin' poke chops greasy!

0 funny, 0 helpful.

SamGompers says on Jan 13, 2008, 08:22:

Protestant vs. Catholic? Pretty outmoded way of thinking about U.S. society. How many of either regularly attend church services? How many of either see their religion as anything more than something done on Sundays?

Spain wanted its colonies to remain dependent on the mother country - - especially economically. The spanish discouraged and outlawed trade, except between Spain and colonial capitals. The Spanish system of colonization also discouraged the kind of mercantile capitalism that developed under Britain's colonialism. So, for hundreds of years, nascent capitalism was throttled in most spanish colonies in favor of an older land-based feudalism (more akin to the plantation economy of the U.S. antebellum South). The legacy of this history for Colombia (as in much of the rest of latin america) has been quite tragic.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

kalder says on Jan 13, 2008, 11:37:

That's a breath of fresh air Sam. Good post.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

0 funny, 0 helpful.

CatGirl says on Jan 13, 2008, 14:15:

Sam; Great Avatar...Purrr

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

0 funny, 0 helpful.

SamGompers says on Jan 13, 2008, 19:46:

Lol . .thanks Cat . . even nice boys like to get dirty once in a while!

0 funny, 0 helpful.