Thanks Chavez!

elmodefoque says on Jan 11, 2008, 06:34:

thank you!

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

morphus says on Jan 11, 2008, 06:40:

Chavez does'nt care about the hostages. He did it for the glory.

beisbollover says on Jan 11, 2008, 06:41:

:)

that was a funny thank you....love it!

Thank you Mr. Chavez, you monkey looking, dumbass talking, power hungry dictator without balls commie piece of chit!

elmodefoque says on Jan 11, 2008, 06:42:

i don't know, but if my black ass was stuck in the jungle, CHUCHALESS for 6 years, i'll be more than happy to kiss CHAVEZE'S smelly hairy ass for a month, it don't matter his motives.

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

elmodefoque says on Jan 11, 2008, 06:45:

if my kid was kidnapped for years and the only one willing and able to help was fokin chavez, i'll be his best buddy, go chasing hookers with him, go fishing, wear that silly red beret and red shirt and clean and cook for that modefoque.

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

billyb says on Jan 11, 2008, 06:47:

Elmo, but would you do the same for Cordova? I mean without pukin.

RonDubya says on Jan 11, 2008, 06:49:

Anybody think Chavez has enough money to pay for the rest of the hostages?

Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most.

morphus says on Jan 11, 2008, 06:49:

So far only 2 hostages released out of thousands. What about the rest?

elmodefoque says on Jan 11, 2008, 06:50:

i'll even go to cuba with chavez to visit fokin fidel, that sick old senile modefoque

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

bamacellist says on Jan 11, 2008, 06:50:

A whole month? And surely you'd be chasing the teen guerrilleras and getting plenty with your famous dance moves and costeño charm.

"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."

elmodefoque says on Jan 11, 2008, 06:52:

i'll do cordova, stone sober too

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

billyb says on Jan 11, 2008, 06:52:

Dude, you are a better man than I, jeje.

elk says on Jan 11, 2008, 06:53:

I noticed the hostages were very friendly with their FARC captors with a lot of warm hugs and smiles as they were being released. I even noticed the FARC waving a friendly adios as they entered the jungle following the release. It's probably a normal reaction however.

billyb says on Jan 11, 2008, 06:57:

They looked relatively well for being in the jngle for 6 years, not skeletal like the other hostages that get released or scape. They must have been feeding them well this past month.

LilaM says on Jan 11, 2008, 06:57:

Help is always welcome, the problem is that no hay nada peor que un bruto con iniciativa......

"Friends are those rare people who ask how we are and then wait to hear the answer." Ed. Cunningham

morphus says on Jan 11, 2008, 06:58:

No me! I'll blow Chavez'a brains right the fok out! Fidel too!

Colombiche says on Jan 11, 2008, 07:00:

"no hay nada peor que un bruto con iniciativa"

Asi es.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

billyb says on Jan 11, 2008, 07:01:

"no hay nada peor que un bruto con iniciativa"

Y dinero.

elmodefoque says on Jan 11, 2008, 07:02:

why waste a bullet, fidel is been dead for over a year.
Hey morph did you see what those guys did with their dead friend here in NYC.
just like in that movie "weekend at bernies" jijijij

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

morphus says on Jan 11, 2008, 07:03:

Ha ha, there are some heartless bastards out there. The guy tried to bring his dead friend to cash his social security check.

catherine b says on Jan 11, 2008, 07:37:

Rikito says on Jan 11, 2008, 07:39:

For whatever reasons he got the hostages out...he did get the hgostages out and for that he should be congratulated. I am happy that I was wrong and look forward to being wrong again.

It is not life that matters, but the journey.

dwr says on Jan 11, 2008, 08:26:

what about the remaining 3000 people stuck in the jungle? Chavez got a huge boost from this media display. FARC came off as buddies saying there goodbyes. Bullshit. 1000's have died in captivity. 3000 still humping the jungle in terrible conditions without their freedom. Bombs, extortion, violence. Debt of gratitude to Chavez???? Well played Chavez. Well played!

diabloblas says on Jan 11, 2008, 08:26:

that is big of you rikito...hope you turn into a giant

Enrique187 says on Jan 11, 2008, 08:30:

I wonder how much money that shithead gets from the FARC to allow them to smuggle drugs through Venezuela.

cassini77 says on Jan 11, 2008, 08:34:

"what about the remaining 3000 people stuck in the jungle?"
Uribe says 800, are you overuribist?

Chavez freed 2. How many did you free, dwr?

rocinante says on Jan 11, 2008, 08:36:

Chavez got two out. Regardless of his intentions or his sexual relations with Elmo, that's more than can be said for _____________ (fill in the blank).

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

cassini77 says on Jan 11, 2008, 08:41:

Enrique187, insults and libels are not arguments. Show me proofs of what you write.

Si no, por qué no te callas?

dwr says on Jan 11, 2008, 08:47:

Ahhhh the French way in! F You you arrogant French Beesh. I freed none. Spend my time avoiding capture.

Michael Meio says on Jan 11, 2008, 09:01:

It would be wise to check out IF they were real hostages.
I just can't swallow this scenario.. I mean, $hit! even I look more as a kidnapped individual than these two women..
U know when will I believe?... Gimme 3 days: On day one, let me pick one of the 2k currently held by these a$ses. On day two, I can call Chavez to ask his contacts about the coordinates. Finally, on day 3, a REAL redcross chopper w/ some cool intensive care gadgets WILL BE NEEDED!... cuz they may be picking up someone in pretty bad shape.

Then, perhaps I could thank Mr. Chavez.

Don't you ever forget that this IS A WAR! Please focus! Don't ever let the show drag you into it. We colombians know what a kidnapped being looks like.. We know what happens when one walks for 20 days in the forest/jungle... WE KNOW BETTER THAN THIS! ... If I was separated from life for 2 yrs, when freed, I may cry for 2 days... what would you do?... how would you look like?.. PICTURE YOURSELVES AND FOCUS ON THE REALITY OF THIS WAR! it is all about drugs...

ugosapiens

atorres says on Jan 11, 2008, 09:04:

Elmo,
I thought you were smarter than that. Chavez is a Simon Bolivar wannabe. He wants to re-create and control a new "Gran Colombia". With the FARC and Piedad Cordoba he wants to make it to the Colombian government. Blind people like you will vote for his group... but we'll see if you say "Thank you Chavez" when he's taking all your freedoms away.

Cerealkiller says on Jan 11, 2008, 09:14:

Elmo,
That motherfucker is saying that FARC are not terrorists but "ejercito del pueblo" and is calling for Europe to recognize them as such. Despicable, it boggles my mind. Clara Rojas just said on the radio that the FARC has absolutely no consideration for human life...What more? Taking a kid away from his mother, taking innocent mothers away from their children, killing poor people and recruiting minors...is that an ejercito del pueblo? Sounds more like "ejercito contra el pueblo" to me...

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

Michael Meio says on Jan 11, 2008, 09:15:

A side note?... well, yeah!.. why not? (well, it may be a bit sarcastic!... consider yourself warned!)

I am more than thankfull that someone is dragging this problem out of my country!

To all Venezuelans who still have the right to decide when voting:

Think about me, my country and specially the families forced into this war... the children, mostly!..

Then, please vote for Mr. Chavez or any of his comrades! I would be most grateful when the last spot of this nonsense jumps the borderline and let us be what we truly can be!

ugosapiens

atorres says on Jan 11, 2008, 09:16:

Open your eyes people... La Gran Colombia will be the new Cuba and Chavez will be the new Castro. Then and only then you'll wish you had seen through Chavez' plans. The whole Hollywood show we all witnessed yesterday is just the beginning of Chavez to earn your trust and your votes.

kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 11, 2008, 09:18:

:)

engage brain before opening mouth

dwr says on Jan 11, 2008, 09:20:

Couldn't agree more Atorres. What is scary is that it works. How many people are suddenly saying how great Mr. Chavez is for his efforts.

elmodefoque says on Jan 11, 2008, 09:20:

guys chavez is your typical tin can third world general/leader, un habla mierda, big time.
does anyone really takes him serious besides farc? no!!!!

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 11, 2008, 09:21:

engage brain before opening mouth

elmodefoque says on Jan 11, 2008, 09:22:

that guy is worst than me, and i like to think i'm the biggest habla mierda of ALL TIME

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

Rikito says on Jan 11, 2008, 09:23:

diabloblas, because you enter conversations in the middle and have little to offer, you must get your rocks off denigrating me and others. As I looked at your bio, you appear to be the last to make comments about others.

Because of your innate ignorance you have no idea why I made the statement I did. Maybe you should go back to the teenage chats rooms on yahoo where someone might think you are cool.

It's ok to insult me, but at least have a rational reason other than a few sophomoric phrases.

It is not life that matters, but the journey.

catherine b says on Jan 11, 2008, 09:25:

Justificó su negativa a calificar de terroristas a las FARC, diciendo: "Un terrorista no hace eso, poner en riesgo su propia gente para cumplir una palabra" y relató que mandó saludo al líder de las FARC, a través del comandante que entregó a las damas, con quien habló por teléfono. "Marulanda, estamos dispuestos a seguir conversando por la paz. Yo estuve echándole tiros a este palacio (Miraflores). Luego nos convencimos de que había que buscar el camino de la política", insistió.
http://www.eluniversal.com/2008/01/11/int_art_chavez-propone-a-uri_667...


Oh really president Chavez? Al-Qaeda does it ALL the time. I can't believe that there are people who really believe that Chavez and Cordoba really care about the hostages. Or that farc acted nobly or heroically in liberating only 2 of over 700 hostages who are hostages in the first place BECAUSE farc made them hostages.

And the blame that some lay at the feet of Uribe for the hostage situation is positively revolting, asinine and defies all reason.

Who has done the kidnapping for more than 40 years? Uribe or farc?

Who is keeping Ingrid Betancourt and the others from their freedom and loved ones? Uribe or farc?

Who separated Clara Rojas from her infant son for more than 3 years? Uribe or farc?

I simply don't see how the Colombian govt. can "free" the hostages when these poor victims are NOT in the govt's possession. The hostages are in chains and manacles in the f***ing jungle in concentration camp conditions because it is farc who abducted them against their will and put them and KEEPS them in that jungle nightmare. Therefore it is up to farc to free them and the international community should be exerting pressure on farc to free those they keep imprisoned and not on Uribe to "free" what he does'nt have in his possession.

Chavez and his government consider Marulanda and Co brothers and that gives one pause to consider Chavez involvement in "negotiations".

Michael Meio says on Jan 11, 2008, 09:29:

elmo?...

The far side:

Don't you agree that Mr. Chavez and his fellow citizens are on greater risk than the real hostages by dealing with FARC (i.e. farcsantes, narc, etc..) ?... I say let him carry on... I can't wait to see him fall below ground after the facts of reality hit him... just let it catch some momentum.. eventually, he will be slapped big time!.. let the media spill the seeds... let him grow... the fall will then be greater!.. I can't wait to see it!..

ugosapiens

elmodefoque says on Jan 11, 2008, 09:31:

chavez=tin can third world general
chavez helps get my ass outta the jungle=my hero

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

atorres says on Jan 11, 2008, 09:33:

Hablamierda or not he proved to be smart enough to become Venezuela's president (dictator). Hablamierda or not now he has put Colombia's government in ridicule. Colombians are fed up with the traditional parties (liberal & conservador) and the timing is perfect to cook up a new party, using the kidnapped victims to skyrocket Chavez image as hero.

LaMovidCh(u)eca says on Jan 11, 2008, 09:40:

Dear Mr. Chavez,

I usually disagree both with your ideas and your very particular way of putting them in practice. Although I share the dream of a united, proud and equal Latin America, I don't think the Bolivarian Revolution is the way. However, no matter what our differences are, I thank you deeply for what you have done and for your assistance in the liberation of three Colombian hostages: Every kidnapped person is an open wound for the rest of the country. Our country will never be whole until the last one of the kidnapped is returned to us, to their country, to their families, to the place where they belong and where we are waiting for them. I ask you to put the same effort and energy in bringing back the less prominent hostages, both the "political" and the "economical" ones.

Please remember that all the people subject to kidnapping are Colombians either by birth or because they have lived and suffered beside us in this, our cruel land capable of both great beauty and nobility but also of great cruelty and evil: The three US contractors held by the FARC are our brothers and countrymen and will remain so until we can return them safely to their families.

Thanking you again for your efforts I wish you and Venezuela the best of lucks,

a fellow Latin American.

Michael Meio says on Jan 11, 2008, 09:40:

atorres..

Not so fast... Please check out the traditional politics scenario and the actual status of politics in Colombia... maybe it will help you revise your comment. As for the timing, well... this move will not make changes in the typical colombian citizen's perspective... This, (in my opinion) created a division in postures but never a gap to be filled by any newcomer.. strategically, it's a no-no... but.. I give u the benefit of doubt... let's wait and listen the echoes.. we could both be surprised!

ugosapiens

billyb says on Jan 11, 2008, 09:41:

The only ones who don't see through this whole charade are foreigners. The real end game for Chavez in all this is now in play (surprise!!!), he wants the FARC to be removed from the terrorist lists as a condition to normalizing relations with Colombia. It should now be obvious, even to foreign fools like Cassini, that Chavez' motivation was not the release of any hostages, but to open political spaces to his clients, the FARC.

elmodefoque says on Jan 11, 2008, 09:42:

You guys are giving Chavez way way way too much credit.
In the world of politic and earth shattering decision makers he’s not even near the ball park.
Threading USA? Come on, what is he gonna attack USA with, mangos and avocado seeds?
As long as the modefouqe has some kind of dialogue going with FARC knuckleheads let him do his thing and try to get the rest of the hostages’ release.

Enough political dribble from me, I got more important things to think about, I need CHUCHA. Maybe Chavez could hook a fellow Venezuelan with that world famous and much sought after first class Venezuelan CHUCHA.

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

atorres says on Jan 11, 2008, 09:42:

I really wish people stopped saying "Chavez freed two kidnapped hostages". How would these hostages feel if they knew the money the FARC made through kidnapping, vacunas and coca was exchanged with Chavez and Castro for the weapons used to kidnap and kill the very same kidnapped victims.

Don't believe me?... go ask anybody in Arauca where the exchanges money/arms between FARC and Chavez' people take place AT DAYLIGHT in front of everybody.

But keep thanking Chavez!!! Put him on a pedestal and then deal with the dictator!

catherine b says on Jan 11, 2008, 09:48:

Solicita Chávez retiren de listas terroristas a las FARC y al ELN

http://www.milenio.com/index.php/2008/01/11/174916/

Durante un mitin en el Congreso de Venezuela, el mandatario venezolano respondió al mensaje del presidente de Colombia, �lvaro Uribe, y afirmó que busca restablecer relaciones con dicho país.

México, DF.- El presidente de Venezuela, Hugo Chávez, pidió a gobiernos y organizaciones internacionales retiren a las FARC y al ELN de las listas continentales de terroristas debido a que estas deben ser reconocidas como verdaderos Ejércitos y no a presiones de Estados Unidos.

“Son fuerzas insurgentes que tienen un proyecto político, un proyecto bolivariano que aquí (Venezuela) es respetado�.

Durante un mitin ante la Asamblea Nacional de Venezuela, el mandatario venezolano respondió al mensaje del presidente de Colombia, �lvaro Uribe, y afirmó que busca restablecer relaciones con dicho país.

Aseguró que fue la influencia estadunidense la que “destrozó y pulverizó la confianza que se había creado entre ambas naciones�, porque reiteró que hay “quienes quieren la guerra y no les importa la vida, ni los pueblos.

__________________________________________________________________________

“Son fuerzas insurgentes que tienen un proyecto político, un proyecto bolivariano que aquí (Venezuela) es respetado�.

That says it all. A pseudo marxist regime that wants to turn Colombia into Venezuela and eventually both into Cuba. No thanks!

porque reiteró que hay “quienes quieren la guerra y no les importa la vida, ni los pueblos."

What a perfect description of your buddies farc!

panthdave says on Jan 11, 2008, 09:48:

Chavez wrong intentions...he don't care about the hostages but whatever reason those hostages are released now....

panthdave Miami

dwr says on Jan 11, 2008, 09:49:

selvagringo can ask when he goes to Arauca!

atorres says on Jan 11, 2008, 09:52:

We'll see Michael... I truly hope I'm wrong!

slguy says on Jan 11, 2008, 10:56:

Hmmm.

Now Chavez proclaims that FARC and ELN should be removed from the terrorist lists.

If they are considered true insurgencies, instead of the criminals they are, wouldn't this give El Payaso semi-legitimacy in arming them better? As long as they are deemed terror organizations, even that idiot wouldn't be so stupid as to incur the world community's wrath by openly arming them. But IF they were removed from the lists, he could then begin arming his "brothers' in their "Bolivarian struggle", no? His game becomes clearer....

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

morphus says on Jan 11, 2008, 10:59:

Shows how much Chavez cares about human life.

Enrique187 says on Jan 11, 2008, 12:28:

"Enrique187, insults and libels are not arguments. Show me proofs of what you write.

Si no, por qué no te callas?"

Cassini, do they teach the word hypocrisy in France?

Desi1 (Moderator) says on Jan 11, 2008, 12:32:

Keep it civil. guys. No name-calling.

Enrique187 says on Jan 11, 2008, 12:33:

I guess telling me to shut up isn't name calling.

scotty says on Jan 11, 2008, 12:35:

its all politics, its all showbiz, only bleedingheart liberals and frenchmen fall for this chit

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

elmodefoque says on Jan 11, 2008, 12:36:

you guys better behave you sonamanbiches!!

Now have a safe, marvelous and blissful weekend

thank you and nity nite

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

Enrique187 says on Jan 11, 2008, 12:38:

amen scotty.

Desi1 (Moderator) says on Jan 11, 2008, 12:42:

"guess telling me to shut up isn't name calling."

That's being rude. Not cool either. Keep it civil applies to both.

Desi
(Still able to bleed and proud of it, scotty)

toneloc24 says on Jan 11, 2008, 12:42:

Hilarious. I can understand a little bit more why Colombia is boggled down in a 40 year civil war. There's some ignorant chit being spewed here. Chavez, Chavez, Chavez.....Dios mio.

2 Colombian hostages are freed and almost everybody on here blames one of the people responsible for their current free status??? Like HE kidnapped them. Shouldn't Colombian people just be happy for the fact that 2 of their countrymen have rejoined thir families???

I guess it serves your own selfish purposes that the remaining 2000 remain kidnapped for infinity. And, yes, the USA does negotiate with terrorists, just not publicly. The terrorist designation is debatable depending on which side they back.

Chavez isn't the issue here, just the latest distraction. If you don't like him, fair enough. Ignore him. He's an ass clown, but whatever.

The real issue is what's next for Uribe and FARC. Back to status quo? (That's my guess.) Or will they use the window of momentum to re-initiate talks surrounding more hostages released? And yeah, I know Ingrid and the 3 Americans aren't on the table, but some of the 1996 others should be.

"Don't tase me, bro!!!!"

ColombianoGringo says on Jan 11, 2008, 13:16:

From El Tiempo. A little tidbit about the hero of Venezuela. How anyone cannot plainly see that he is a dictator is beyond me.


Hugo Chávez insiste en reelección indefinida en Venezuela vía consulta popular

"Estamos en enero de 2008. Si la oposición no convoca un referendo revocatorio, yo lo podría convocar", dijo en su discurso anual ante la Asamblea Nacional.

Enrique187 says on Jan 11, 2008, 13:41:

wants to become a billionaire like Fidel.

Medellin Traveler says on Jan 11, 2008, 13:46:

elmodefoque says. "i don't know, but if my black ass was stuck in the jungle, CHUCHALESS for 6 years, i'll be more than happy to kiss CHAVEZE'S smelly hairy ass for a month, it don't matter his motives."

I completely agree.

Regardless of his motives, everyone has their own motives, two people are now free due to his efforts.

Medellin es una chimba! www.medellintraveler.com

billyb says on Jan 11, 2008, 13:54:

His efforts were to get political recognition for his clients in the FARC, if two hostages happened to get released because of it, Chavez and the FARC just consider that collateral damage.

webmanco says on Jan 11, 2008, 15:05:

Un saludo Paraco

Para Colombia

But, I'm going to start making some assumptions here.... Which means I might actually end up making an ass out of myself ..........Thu 04 17, 2008 11:34 am

rocinante says on Jan 11, 2008, 15:28:

"I really wish people stopped saying "Chavez freed two kidnapped hostages".

But he did.

"How would these hostages feel if they knew the money the FARC made through kidnapping, vacunas and coca was exchanged with Chavez and Castro for the weapons used to kidnap and kill the very same kidnapped victims."

They already know - this is no secret, so why don't you ask them? Guess who else makes money from all that you mention and DIDN'T free any hostages?

1.)_______________________

2.) ______________________

3.) ______________________

ToneLoc, I have nothing more to add to your posts except that everyone I have spoken to here in Medellín is happy with the outcome and they are not trash talking Chavez, ass clown that he is. The news reports are all hopeful.

Anyone who thinks Chavez is going to pull a Napoleon on South America is delusional. The man is not to be feared.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

famsearch says on Jan 11, 2008, 15:52:

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The arrest of FARC terrorist Ricardo Granda sheds new light on Hugo Chavez's ongoing support of terrorism.
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SIMON TRINIDAD is the nom de guerre of Ricardo Palmera, a high-ranking terrorist of the Fuerzas Armadas Revolucionarias de Colombia (FARC), the deadliest and largest terrorist organization in the world. Thanks to Colombia's president, Alvaro Uribe, Trinidad was extradited to the United States last month. He now awaits trial for a lengthy list of crimes involving the recent kidnapping and murder of American citizens in Colombia. Trinidad's capture was a victory in the fight against global terror (see Note, below), but it is unlikely that the FARC terrorists will be defeated as long as Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez continues to use his government to harbor, equip, and protect them.

dan

catherine b says on Jan 11, 2008, 15:56:

rocinante says "Anyone who thinks Chavez is going to pull a Napoleon on South America is delusional. The man is not to be feared."

Is'nt that what they said in many circles both in Europe and the USA about Hitler during the 1930's?

rocinante says on Jan 11, 2008, 15:58:

Regardless of what was said 80 years ago, this is not the 1930's thank you.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

billyb says on Jan 11, 2008, 15:59:

To quote somebody, "those who ignore history are condemmed to repeat it".

rocinante says on Jan 11, 2008, 16:00:

how cliché.

Edited my sarcastic original post.

The eyes of the world are on Chavez. He is not an open threat in his little ivory tower. One false move...

I don't know why everyone is screaming their heads off over him. Could it be possible that many are influenced by media hype? I can think of many more pressing issues and people other than "ass clown" Chavez.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

catherine b says on Jan 11, 2008, 16:19:

Dear President Chavez,
On behalf of my fellow Colombians, I'd like to thank you for exploiting our nations hostage tragedy for your own political and vainglorious purposes.

Thank you Chavez for "freeing" only two out of over 750 hostages yesterday. This farc did as a desagravio to you personally and not as a desagravio to the Colombian people.

Thank you Chavez for then trying to extort the Colombian government that you will "mediate" on behalf of the hostages but first to take farc and ELN off the global terrorist list.

Thank you Chavez for always publicly defending the criminal actions of a narco terrorist organization while continually trying to undermine Colombia's democratically elected government.

Thank you Chavez for offering safe refuge in Venezuela to the very criminals who have terrorized Colombians for over 40 years.

Thank you Chavez for refusing to extradite known farc criminals who reside in safety and comfort in Venezuela.

Thank you Chavez for siding with farc (a tool used in your Bolivarian expansionism) over the Colombian people who in our vast majority repudiate the farc.

We owe you BIG time and perhaps some day we will have the opportunity to repay you for everything that you have done for Colombia.

slguy says on Jan 11, 2008, 16:25:

I like your style, catherine.

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

catherine b says on Jan 11, 2008, 16:29:

Thanks slguy :)

scotty says on Jan 11, 2008, 16:31:

excellent letter catherine!


now my letter to Chavez:

Dear Mr Chavez
Piss off!

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

dwr says on Jan 11, 2008, 16:34:

Best one 've read today Cathy

toneloc24 says on Jan 11, 2008, 16:40:

"ToneLoc, I have nothing more to add to your posts except that everyone I have spoken to here in Medellín is happy with the outcome and they are not trash talking Chavez, ass clown that he is. The news reports are all hopeful."

Roci - My folks in BAQ and CTG also. They're happy about the 2 Colombians being released, and happy for the families. Matter of fact, they could give a flying fuck about Chavez. LOL!!! They still transact business in VZ as always, and come back home. No problems.

So, then you come on this board and the hostility towards Chavez??????????? You would think that Chavez has 500,000 troops on the border ready to invade. The motherfucker just got 2 hostages freed from FARC, something that hasn't been done in...............................

"Don't tase me, bro!!!!"

goin_south says on Jan 11, 2008, 17:02:

Just wondering,,,.... anyone else notice, how... the Ohio State Band wore the 'Chavez Red Hats'? at the LSU game last monday night???

We're being invaded in ways we don't know! jaj

y, un mil gracias.

huskie says on Jan 11, 2008, 17:27:

Death to Chavez
Cheers

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-"

goin_south says on Jan 11, 2008, 17:30:

death?
I was thinking it would be more fun to tie him down in a mud whole with the rest of the pigs,...24/7.

y, un mil gracias.

rocinante says on Jan 11, 2008, 17:37:

Well Tone, Catherine B and her groupies have a different perspective than Colombians in Colombia. No one here is really talking much about Chavez and have not for over 6 weeks. Even with the news yesterday the focus here on TV and the papers is on the hostages, their families, the remaining hostages and FARC and not much really on Chavez.

But many have this obsession that baffles me. That's what you get when you are fed foreign media three meals a day.

Why you people waste your time with Chavez is frightening - the next Hitler? Puhleeeze get out more!

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

rocinante says on Jan 11, 2008, 17:41:

Goin South - those Ohio State bandmembers used to be commies before they turned pro Chavez. He's the talk of all the the university band camps in the US.

Anyone see the Republican debate last night? Chavez came up almost every other question. But seriously for 90 minutes and then 45 minutes afterwards Chavez was motioned 0 times.

However on PBH....

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

Colombiche says on Jan 11, 2008, 17:43:

I am not so worried about chavez as I am about seeing the guerrillos parading in front of the camera and chupando trompa con Cordoba like they are celebrities.

That is why I am wearing a black avatar, I am mourning for the loss of Colombia's dignity.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

Colombiche says on Jan 11, 2008, 17:44:

Colombians in colombia don't talk about this stuff because many have just learned to live with the shit. My entire family lives there, I grew up there and I know people in Colombia just got used to having very low standards for justice.

I think it took Betancourt a few years out of Colombia to come back with fresh ideas. Of course her ideas were a little too fresh for Colombia and look where she is now.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

rocinante says on Jan 11, 2008, 17:44:

Can we have a Chavez section in case I have trouble sleeping I can go and read those posts about Chavez taking over the world - the next Hitler.

Sometimes these political posts are funnier than Clyde and "Gotta get Papi out of the house" type threads.

Who is feeding you people all this crap?

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

rocinante says on Jan 11, 2008, 17:51:

Colombiche I appreciate your post but I am talking about the people insinuating that Chavez is the next Hitler and that the freed hostages is meaningless and, and , and....

"Colombians in colombia don't talk about this stuff because many have just learned to live with the shit."

They are talking about it. Everyone has been glued to the TV. You would think that Nacional was in the finals all over again It's just that no one is talking about "Chavez this" and "Chavez that".

Your problem with the media reporting the news and showing the geurillas in a light you'd rather not have them shown in has nothing to do with Catherine B's open letter to Chavez nor with the endless Chavez posts here. There are many on this board that are nothing but Chavez, Chavez, Chavez, RUN FOR THE HILLS WE ARE ALL DOOMED. That is who I am aiming at.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

rocinante says on Jan 11, 2008, 18:14:

"I think it took Betancourt a few years out of Colombia to come back with fresh ideas. Of course her ideas were a little too fresh for Colombia and look where she is now." C'biche

So she got taken by the FARC because she had fresh ideas? I don't mean to be facetious but it seems that you are insinuating as much. Her ideas, however forthright and fresh were not properly executed and as much as I hate the FARC and especially the hostage situation I am put off by the attention Betancourt gets and all the other hostages are scrap meat. It is unfortunate that she is among the thousands but it wasn't as if she was walking down the street and a van pulled up and grabbed her. She made a real bad decision, yes?.

"I grew up there and I know people in Colombia just got used to having very low standards for justice." C'biche

So this low standard for justice dictates that Colombian matters are no business of the Colombians and only the sides, reactions and opinions of Colombian expats should be considered? If Colombians have an opinion or reaction to events they should not be taken seriously?

I know I am not understanding you completely and that in itself is why forums such as these are no place for these types of discussions unless everyone is on the same side.

SOOOOOOOOO I am taking this opportunity to FOREVER stay out of political threads here on PBH as it is just not worth it.

And watch out for Chavez, he's taking over the world. History is repeating and freed hostages are meaningless. Everyone here AND in the US is burning the Venezuelan flag and throwing darts at Hugo's photo. It keeps us up at night and is all we can think about! And Oliver Stone too - He is also obsessing us!

No one in their right mind takes Chavez seriously.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

rocinante says on Jan 11, 2008, 18:14:

Elmo - stick to Chucha.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

Colombiche says on Jan 11, 2008, 18:38:

No, not at all, I am just saying that her ideas were so fresh that she lost her malicia indigena and innate exaggerated colombian self preservation instinct and wandered into FARC territory. It was the newly acquired, starry-eyed european idealist in her that should she could pull that off.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

jaramillo says on Jan 11, 2008, 18:45:

If Chavez is gonna fuck with Colombia and ask that FARC be recognized as a legitimate insurgency, I think Colombia should start some paramilitary AUC in Venezuela.

webmanco says on Jan 11, 2008, 18:46:

Rocinante is right, too much ink worrying about Chavez and Piedad.

Clara Rojas just gave a press conference, she is bright, once she saw the Red Cross helicopteres, she was told not to run, she said I am leaving and fast.

But, I'm going to start making some assumptions here.... Which means I might actually end up making an ass out of myself ..........Thu 04 17, 2008 11:34 am

catherine b says on Jan 11, 2008, 18:54:

rocinante, you're missing the point. My comparison of Chavez to Hitler is the attitude of "Oh he's just a clown. What harm can he do outside his own borders?" that many people such as yourself seem to have. That same attitude of some in the 1930's of wilfully ignoring a dangerous demagogue with expansionist goals is still alive today.

While Chavez cannot rule the world or create a 3rd WW, he can DO considerable harm to neighboring Latin American countries!

His persistent meddling in Colombian affairs (as well as other countries) is not due to altruistic motives but his own expansionist Bolivarian projects. He ASSISTS farc, a narco terrorist organization and you wonder why some of us take him seriously?

I don't need the media "stories" to have an unfavorable opinion of Chavez : all I need to do is listen to his speeches, his interviews and the unconstitutional laws he keeps trying to pass in Venezuela even after his own people already voted no to understand we can't let down our guard with him.

billyb says on Jan 11, 2008, 19:02:

These short timers in Colombia have no skin in the game and will probably be moving on soon anyways, so there is no need to care on their part.

rocinante says on Jan 11, 2008, 19:10:

"he can DO considerable harm to neighboring Latin American countries!"

Could you be more vague?

"His persistent meddling in Colombian affairs (as well as other countries) is not due to altruistic motives but his own expansionist Bolivarian projects."

Whatever his agenda and of course he has one, he facilitated the release of two hostages. As far as his "expansionist Bolivarian projects" call me when they kick in in any country other than his own. I bet it is stopped before you can post about it.

No disrespect but you sound like a pro lifer in the US that screamed that if the republican got elected (2000) that Roe vs Wade will be overturned by the Supreme court. I won a great deal of money after the last inauguration. I will collect again when a democrat gets inaugurated and Bush's 2nd term comes to an end. I hate waiting four years but I will.

So in our bet how long until Hugo's expansionist Bolivarian projects are final? If he loses power through assassination or other means I am the winner. Let me know the stakes and the time limit.

PM me on this wager as I am really really really out of the political threads here on PBH.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

rocinante says on Jan 11, 2008, 19:12:

BillyB you forgot to mention Chavez. And you meant "move on" like an expat?

Not that it matters as long timers in the US are entitled to their opinions. I guess it really boils down to educated and informed opinions, not where one currently lives, agreed?

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

catherine b says on Jan 11, 2008, 19:19:

"No disrespect but you sound like a pro lifer in the US that screamed that if the republican got elected (2000) that Roe vs Wade will be overturned by the Supreme court."

That would be Pro choice. Pro lifers would like to see Roe v Wade overturned.

What do you call his influence in Bolivia, Ecuador, and now Argentina??

I trust he'll be in exile or six feet under in the not so distant future, but until then I still believe Colombia especially should not let our guard down with him. Chavez is not a "mediador" for farc: he is a co-conspirator.

And btw, this post is about "thanking" Chavez hence he IS the topic of this thread. If Chavez did'nt insist in interfering in Colombia's affairs we'd hardly have reason to discuss him here.

rocinante says on Jan 11, 2008, 19:31:

That's what I meant, pro choicer. Sorry abortion in the US is the biggest non issue perceived to be real that I forget the sides....

"I trust he'll be in exile or six feet under in the not so distant future, but until then I still believe Colombia especially should not let our guard down with him. Chavez is not a "mediador" for farc: he is a co-conspirator."

Still, could you be more vague? What happens if the government does not heed your warning? You are extremely vague, still.

"If Chavez didn't insist in interfering in Colombia's affairs we'd hardly have reason to discuss him here."

interfering in Colombia's affairs = means what exactly - facilitation the release of two hostages? I have not recently seen any of Chavez's policies enacted here in Colombia.

Honestly, CatherineB, you should direct your gallant effort towards the government and tell them something they already know. Or is all your knowledge secret?

Thanks Chavez for freeing two hostages, regardless of your very secret hidden agenda and the threat that catherin B has unwittingly unveiled unbeknownst the the rest of Latin America. I will send her to Bogotá to brief Uribe so you won't be reading here posts about you here for a few days.

I didn't get a PM on the wager.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

rocinante says on Jan 11, 2008, 19:32:

My bottom line is worrying about Chavez is a waste of time.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

Enrique187 says on Jan 11, 2008, 19:36:

Chavez is Hitler without the influence. Hes a fucking campesino clown. (sorry to disappoint his fans on this thread)

billyb says on Jan 11, 2008, 19:39:

"And you meant "move on" like an expat?"

Bingo.

Enrique187 says on Jan 11, 2008, 19:44:

how can people sympathize with an organization THAT HOLDS THE HOLD COUNTRY FOR WHICH THIS BOARD IS BASED ON HOSTAGE??????????? do any of you clueless people know about the "millionaire tax" that they impose?????? or do you just think you are cool like the 15 yr old floppy haired gringos that wear red che guevara shirts??????? my cousin's boss pays over 3 million per year US$ in "extortion tax" to that lovely "farc" give me a break.

catherine b says on Jan 11, 2008, 19:54:

Yet again you miss my point. Uribe does'nt need me to brief him on Chavez' motives.

It's people outside of Latin America who remain woefully ignorant of everything that happens in Latin America and who and what Chavez and farc are and their intentions.

The hostages can be freed without Chavez' "help". It's been done before. Colombia is under pressure by not only the French govt but also many NGO's. Some of those NGO's are legitimate and sincere in their attempts to have hostages freed and others are just mouthpieces for farc.

Chavez and his friends do nothing but try and present the Colombian govt. as unwilling or incapable of freeing hostages and somehow only he can do it, thus gaining international support for Chavez as the only "mediador". And while Colombians and the rest of Latin America understand what Chavez' intentions really are the rest of the world for the most part is woefully ignorant.

So yes, Colombians have to be careful with Chavez and not allow international pressure to create a situation where Chavez has more say in Colombian affairs than our own government and people.

But you're not even Colombian roci, are you? It's easy for you to laugh off legitimate concerns that many of us on this board have in regards to Chavez meddling with Colombia. Ultimately, as a non-Colombian why should you care what fate befalls Colombia. It's nothing to you. You can always go back to wherever it is your from. But for those of us who have roots and family in Colombia it's a very serious matter.

eywed says on Jan 11, 2008, 19:58:

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Ay Hombe!!!!!

catherine b says on Jan 11, 2008, 20:00:

It's laughable but they've placed enough pressure on Uribe to negotiate with farc and reconsider including Chavez. It's the pressure of public opinion.

rocinante says on Jan 11, 2008, 20:02:

So BillyB, you are an expat - I was referring to you. Bingo. Where are you moving next? Certainly not Colombia.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

Enrique187 says on Jan 11, 2008, 20:02:

every Colombian i have spoken to thinks Chavez es un payaso malparido hijueputa.

webmanco says on Jan 11, 2008, 20:04:

But, I'm going to start making some assumptions here.... Which means I might actually end up making an ass out of myself ..........Thu 04 17, 2008 11:34 am

rocinante says on Jan 11, 2008, 20:07:

Enrique - Colombians here or ones living abroad? Actually everyone thinks Chavez es un payaso malparido hijueputa. It's just that people aren't talking about him constantly, constantly... well some are.

Catherine B, I have asked you pointed questions about these intentions. You continue to be vague. It's tough to move the conversation when one side offers nothing of substance, wouldn't you agree?

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

Enrique187 says on Jan 11, 2008, 20:10:

I am talking about Colombians living in Colombia currently.....and most people with half a cerebrum living abroad.

billyb says on Jan 11, 2008, 20:20:

"I guess it really boils down to educated and informed opinions, not where one currently lives, agreed?"

Yes, but how deep and nuanced those informed opinions are, matter also.

rocinante says on Jan 11, 2008, 20:56:

"But you're not even Colombian roci, are you? It's easy for you to laugh off legitimate concerns that many of us on this board have in regards to Chavez meddling with Colombia. Ultimately, as a non-Colombian why should you care what fate befalls Colombia. It's nothing to you. You can always go back to wherever it is your from. But for those of us who have roots and family in Colombia it's a very serious matter." CathB

My personal life never came up on PBH but then again I never got involved with politics on this board. And it's all a lie anyway.

My father returned to Colombia when I was 2. My mother, Italian descent, remarried a blond haired, blue eyed Hungarian man and my whole life this man, a great guy, I thought to be my real father, was not. He and the whole side of his family are not really my blood relatives. Everything was covered up not to embarrass the family - my mother marrying a spic. The shame. They moved far out of town immediately following their marriage, embarrassed about what the neighbors would think. The first wedding photos - were burned. My Hungarian father passed in the summer of 2004 and my mother finally revealed that I had a biological father elsewhere. She had kept in touch sporadically and had his contact info. I started doing research and I live with him now in Medellín with two of my aunts and my biological grandmother. My sister and I were always slightly darker than my parents but we were always told we got the genes from my mother's mother - a Sicilian. If ever my sister or I raised our voices or did something, I don't know, 'boisterous', our aunts would whisper.

Although I was not born here I have more blood here than in the US and I am living a life that I feel I was cheated out of. I don't have resentment over what happened - the divorce - but I have resentment over the cover up, finding out so late and most importantly the prejudice against my real father by my mother's family before during and to this day. At least me and my sister finally know why we have big lips and can dance so well.

Had none of this come out or never happened I would not be living in Colombia, nor even bothered to visit here. This is why I have never stayed in a hotel in all my trips starting in 2005. Some family members in the US think I am living here to spite my mother but that is not true. We have a good relation but I am never going back - except to visit. Cunado me pregunta la gente, 'eres de Colombia?', siempre le digo 'aunque mi padre es paisa y vive casi toda su vida en Medellín, nací en los estados unidos, por eso soy cien porciento gringo'.

Regardless of all of this, intelligent people, if informed can talk, no matter where they are from or born. Reading your posts I never thought to speculate as to where you live or were born. I don't know your story nor is it important. But discrediting my side of the debate or insinuating that my heritage makes me more or less qualified, well I have no idea how to address that. I can only report what I feel and what I see, living here and what I have experienced.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

billyb says on Jan 11, 2008, 21:09:

Well Roci, we can I say? Welcome home. And I hope, in time, you will lose that cavalier attitude regarding the dangers Colombia's democracy faces. But i thought you were OUT of this thread for good :)

MitchAlvarez says on Jan 11, 2008, 21:18:

Chavez y su gente son un perros falsos.

Acabo de volver a las noticias y el ministro marica ese le dijo a los guerilleros en el momento de la entrega que sigan su lucha y como que los felicita. "En nombre del Presidente Chávez estamos muy pendientes de su lucha... mantengan ese espíritu, mantengan esa fuerza y cuenten con nosotros"

Perros malparidos... celebrando la matanza de mis compatriotas.

uy no es que si es un descaro total el de chavez y sus ratas.

Uribe no deje entrar mas de esas chuchas a nuestro pais.
Disque bolivarianos, lo que son es perro hp.

I dont know how many of you sympathize with this bullshit. Uribe authorizes these Chavez pigs to come into Colombia when we all knew this is just done for show. They dont care about lives. They care about TeleSur being there in the jungle to show these images of Farc as so called good people. This is bullshit. He has the audacity to say keep up the good work to those criminals.

this is bullshit. and this is my last comment in this topic.

this is not a regular post about girls, mangos night club, or what city is better. where we can all joke, write shit, and just go back and forth. this is about real lives, innocent people, and criminals looking for publicity from a pig.

i hope we kill every single one of them soon.

Mario says on Jan 11, 2008, 21:25:

"For whatever reasons he got the hostages out...he did get the hgostages out and for that he should be congratulated. I am happy that I was wrong and look forward to being wrong again".

Congratulations asshole - BOOM!

john_stark says on Jan 11, 2008, 21:33:

I'm loving it. First Hugo was plugging Bush up the ass and making him like it and now he's got his dick firmly up Uribe's. All they can do is wince a little. This is going to go on a long time so they better get used to it. All the gringo drivers filling up at Citgo are just giving him more money to finance his schemes.

Mario says on Jan 11, 2008, 21:39:

Yeah, there's a Citgo about 5 blocks from me, prices always higher than the Chevron across the street.

It will explode in a few minutes...

I propose a new campaign:
"WHY DON'T
HUGO TO HELL"

john_stark says on Jan 11, 2008, 21:42:

Anybody who can cornhole Bush has got my vote.

Mario says on Jan 11, 2008, 21:54:

cornhole speaks to the ass. Bush? Hmmmmmm

billyb says on Jan 11, 2008, 22:38:

"Anybody who can cornhole Bush has got my vote."

He's doing a lot of cornholing while his countrymen can't find milk, bread, rice and chicken, and all this with record oil prices. Wow, what a formidable foe for the US.

john_stark says on Jan 11, 2008, 22:53:

He doesn't give a rat's ass about his countrymen. It's all about the ego. And his ego is getting mightily stroked! The amount of money he has at his disposal is only going to multiply enormously with $100 oil and in the not too distant future $200 and $400 oil. Venezuela and Brazil will divide up South America between them.

billyb says on Jan 11, 2008, 23:06:

You are dreaming, Brazil, for all its population, is still a dwarf on the international stage. Lula, to the chagrin of his countrymen, genuflects before Chavez. And if it ever came down to it, Colombia would bitch slap Venezuela so bad that their grandchildren will be born dizzy. Venezuela might be buying all this Ruskie equip, but without motivated, well treained and hardened troops like Colombia has, they will be like a poormans' version of Hussein's republican guard, and we know how well that turned out for him.

john_stark says on Jan 11, 2008, 23:08:

Chavez won't have to fight. He'll have so much money he'll just buy it all.

Cerealkiller says on Jan 11, 2008, 23:17:

Rocinante I beg to differ. In colombia it is "Chavez this and Chavez that", especially today... I have not spoken to anyone who hasn't brought that up. Taxi driver, maid, friends etc...

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

billyb says on Jan 11, 2008, 23:18:

If it goes to $400, but then it will be so economically feasable to exploit the oil shale in Colorado and the tar sands in canada, not to mention ANWR, that it well never get there. And with his mismanagement of the national oil company for political purposes, he neeeds at least $100 per barrel just to thread water, as production has fallen from 3.3 mill barrels a day to 2.4 and venezuela's account balance has actually deteriorated in the las year.

Tomacoma says on Jan 11, 2008, 23:37:

EEElmo helpppppp......

I'am livin' easy, eatin' poke chops greasy! "Reality is overated."

Robert Jorge says on Jan 11, 2008, 23:46:

BillyB. I am pretty sure there is a little oil off the coast of Florida too. But the "whoevers" won't allow drilling offshore here either. I was being sarcastic - there is a shitload of proven reserves off the gulf coast of Florida. The oil rigs stop at Perdido Key though on the Alabama / Florida border.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

Tomacoma says on Jan 11, 2008, 23:51:

Yeah, there not much to look at either....ever lived in huntington bch, CA I'ts like swimming in an industrial zone. Just my opinion.....

I'am livin' easy, eatin' poke chops greasy! "Reality is overated."

msaucey says on Jan 11, 2008, 23:53:

Tomacoma, when you're driving southbound on PCH in HB, you're only supposed to look towards your right where the beach is.... and try to ignore the oil rigs on the left side....

Then you can live in the state of denial and say, what oil rigs in Huntington Beach?

The trouble about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed. - CS Lewis

Tomacoma says on Jan 12, 2008, 00:05:

Denial....I think I'm falling in Love!

I'am livin' easy, eatin' poke chops greasy! "Reality is overated."

billyb says on Jan 12, 2008, 00:08:

" there is a shitload of proven reserves off the gulf coast of Florida. The oil rigs stop at Perdido Key though on the Alabama / Florida border."

RJ, the fucked up thing is that Cuba is letting the chinese drill right on the edge of the Keys and we know all about china's commitmnet to the enviroment. Meanwhile the libs in congress prevent the US from drilling there, while constantly bitching about the US dependence on foreign oil.

Tomacoma says on Jan 12, 2008, 00:11:

Billyb, drive a Suburban??

I'am livin' easy, eatin' poke chops greasy! "Reality is overated."

billyb says on Jan 12, 2008, 00:13:

No, why? Did i ruin your premise? As a matter of fact i ride my bike as much as possible, do you?

slguy says on Jan 12, 2008, 00:14:

ain't just the libs, biilyb. one good oil spill, and the florida economy is shot to hell. absent tourism, we're pretty much left with orange groves and unsold condos. ;)

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

billyb says on Jan 12, 2008, 00:20:

The danger of an oil spill from a tanker transporting oil to the US from the mid east or venezuale is infinistimately (is that a word? well, you know what I mean)greater than than a spill from an deep ocean rig, but unfortunately that doesn't get through to the public discourse.

Robert Jorge says on Jan 12, 2008, 00:20:

Actually Toma, some of the best offshore fishing in the world is around the oil rigs off the shore of Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama. Why? Because the rigs are essentially artificial reefs that attract and promote sea life. By the way, how many oil spills have you heard of in the gulf of Mexico recently. We have had about 10 hurricanes go through too in the past 5 years. As far as I know, not a drop of oil was leaked. And the rigs are WAY off shore. We are not talking within sight of land. We are talking far enough that the curvature of the Earth wouldn't allow somebody to see them. 50, 100 miles.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

Robert Jorge says on Jan 12, 2008, 00:22:

I drive a Mustang GT. It sucks too. Great car, but very thirsty.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

Tomacoma says on Jan 12, 2008, 00:24:

What orange groves? Lot's of unsold everything.....
at billyb- my premise is cien por ciento bicicleta

I'am livin' easy, eatin' poke chops greasy! "Reality is overated."

jaramillo says on Jan 12, 2008, 05:20:

Enrique187, I strongly object to "every Colombian i have spoken to thinks Chavez es un payaso malparido hijueputa." Payasos are funny!

Michael Meio says on Jan 12, 2008, 06:31:

Hello all..

It's sometimes hard for me to catch up with the threads for english is not my native language.. but it seems that most of the comments in this and many others I 'chase' eventually turn into oil, Hitler, Castro, etc... discussions.. and I have something to say about it all:

First of all, the situation in Venezuela and most of the Latin America Countries is almost the same.. all the time fighting an enemy that in reality doesn't even has a connection with their circumstances.. Chavez calls it US, Colombia calls it FARC, Drug Traffic... etc.. this, in my opinion, is a mistake we keep repeating endlessly..

Chavez's strategy is an excellent choice in a country that has no expense limits in sight and a curious abundance of poverty given it's natural potentials and established abilities to exploit them.. he keeps hipnotizing his fellow citizens with a masquerade of revolutionary language and the 'unavoidable confrontation with the colonialist invaders .... blah, blah....' and they swallow it.

With the oil prices in the 100's vecinity, one can only expect that the power will only grow for Mr. Chavez but I'd say.. wait just one minute... Please, understand you all that not even a 200 barrel will be enough.. and if you wonder why, hold on to your butts and read carefully:

In order to hold a State or comunity blindly walking towards any direction, there has to be either a will from the people or a superior power to force them.. Chavez pointed his people to the will by naming his country's problem 'North Empire' and at this moment, his gathering the 'superior power' for the second stage.. A 200 barrel will give him the chance to buy some more power by using the same weapon he and many other Latin American governments are so busy hiding: Corruption. This is why Chavez currently needs a 150 price and when it gets to 150, he will be praying for 200 and so on... for corruption is impossible to satisfy.

Ask yourselves this simple question: What does Venezuela needs with Socialism/Comunism?... for me, with the potential of it's resources, the answer is 'nothing'... simply because with all that money, it may well be capitalist, socialist, comunist... etc.. but the real problem is still there and growing as exponentially as the prices allow it..

Now, history tells us that oil prices fluctuations are guess what?... fluctuations.. weird, huh?... and in those past times, people thought exactly as you and me... 'fluctuation?... never!.. the oil price will reach the 100's and never go back'.. sorry to dissapoint you but yes.. the oil will go down.

But mainwhile, here we are... eyes on a comunity that after 10.000 years of evolution is aparently deciding what it wants to be.. instead of being. Now that's way more to cry on than this circus we witnessed a cpl days ago..

I truly want the oil prices to go higher.. and don't judge me.. not just yet.. I want Chavez to gain as much momentum as the world's oil demands may give him.. same goes to the OPEC (or opep?.. bah dunno!) countries and yes.. the war for Oilirak.. (that's another topic).. all of them ... be HUGE!.. for those that are used to the power gathered by the exploitation of this resource, the fall will be horrendous. I wonder how will Chavez feed his corruption..

And, as a techie, I can only say that as the oil prices keep escalating, more minds like mine will be focusing on alternatives and many are using all their money and knowledge to find it.. and humankind has proven that everything is possible.. the purists call it names like quantum and stuff but I dunno much about it.. I just can tell you: Yes, the dependency on oil will fall sooner than later.. but even after that, our countries will still be wondering what to be if corruption survives the leap.

It is hard to compare Venezuelan citizens with Colombians.. on one, many got used to easy money by dealing oil.. on the other, it was drugs.. but this had them blinded for many years and there was little worry for 'building a country' if you wonder how hard it is to get rid of it?.. just count the dead.

I wish to end this eternal post with an invitation: Imagine your country without corruption.. for US citizens:: imagine it without corruption but think about corporations, instead of the 'elected'.


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