Temperatures and Central Heating in Bogota

Mr. Hollywood says on May 4, 2005, 06:20:

Where in N. Cal? Where in N. California is your point of reference? What Bogotanos call "freezing" is about like a cool but not bitter cold day in San Francisco. Your reference to spring in N. California is about right if you're talking about coastal N. California.

It's basically a lot like San Francisco without the extremes. When the sun comes out it does get nice and warm, but that's not every day by any means.

Space heaters are available everywhere. Lots of people don't use them because electricity is expensive but I doubt that will be a barrier to you.

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bodger says on May 4, 2005, 06:54:

temps I come from NZ and the temp here can get a little chilly but it's not to bad, I still walk around in t-shirt & shorts & barefoot while the locals are complaing how cold it is.You don't need very thick clothing, just something a little warm but light.

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kernow62 says on May 4, 2005, 06:57:

Bogotanos have thin skins, it is cool but not cold and when the sun does come out it is glorious. In the evening though especially early morning it is quite chilly at 45 F.

When it is raining in the daytime you will feel cold possibly, but for me the rest of the time is t-shirt weather. I still saw many Bogotanos with jackets, scarfs and gloves whilst I was in a t-shirt or at the most a lightweight sweatshirt.

Central heating isn't good for you, open a window let the cool air in day and night. Throw an extra blanket on the bed if need be.

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Rubiazo says on May 4, 2005, 07:26:

Why would anyone want central heating if it only goes down to 45 f? That seems crazy to me! The way i was raised, the heat goes on once it gets below freezing outside!

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ARMacleod says on May 4, 2005, 07:58:

Different jokes for different folks It will take you quite a few months to acclimatise to both the weather and the altitude (low oxygen level). The heart rate changes. You need to breathe more deeply. Especially if you are an old git like me.

Blood viscosity changes and body heat not being transported around to where it is always needed. You will get used to it.

I had the problem in other countries, cuddle up to a local, that helps a lot.

Pax vobiscum. James.


Being of unsound mind and dubious disposition, I cannot be held legally liable for any indiscretions."¡El diablo me hizo hacerlo!" But don't worry, be happy.

The brain is like a parachute, it only functions correctly when it is open. Pax vobiscum.

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Lincoln says on May 4, 2005, 08:04:

Bogota temps The weather is nice. I've never been to a home there with a/c or central heating, imagine, it's really not necessary. Many Bogotanos think it's too cold, but I guess this is because Bogota is a cool place in a tropical country. They love to vacation in hot climates. But if you are from the U.S. you will like not having to deal with extreme heat or cold. A light jacket will be fine for cool evenings or if you go to a place at a higher altitude. It's eternal springtime weather, great for outdoor sports or a walk--anytime. The weather never keeps you from doing anything, only if it's raining but that's what keeps the vegetation so green and beautiful. Enjoy.

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Mr. Hollywood says on May 4, 2005, 08:06:

In general, people in Bogota talk about the weather as if it changes a lot. If the temperature goes from 55 fahrenheit to 75 in a day they'll talk about it as if something remarkable and possibly life-threatening has occured.

To anyone coming from a temperate climate with seasons and substantial temperature differences between night and day, Bogota is a bit monotonous.

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bogota says on May 4, 2005, 08:15:

Bogota Temperatures Lisa,

When the sun goes down or there is an over cast the people here think it's cold even when it's in the high 60's & low 70's.

It can get down into the 40's at night but not as a rule. I live in a modern thick concrete apartment complex and the wind (what little wind there is) doesn't blow through cracks and windows so even at night it's never cold.

I was born and raised in Chicago with heat, humidity and freezing cold, also lived in AZ where it is scorching hot, the wind blows constantly and it is like living in a gravel pit,

For me Bogota is a happy medium, never hot, never cold and no humidity, a light jacket in the evenings is what most people are comfortable with. When you go outside of Bogota it's beautiful farm country, nice and green all year around.

If you like a large thriving city then you will like Bogota.

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Mr. Hollywood says on May 4, 2005, 09:20:

Also You'll notice that Colombians blame every illness on the "constantly changing weather". An average Colombian who gets soaked by rain will almost automatically begin feeling symptoms of "la gripa" just out of hypochodria.

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on May 4, 2005, 10:01:

the few times I've visited Bogotá I thought that the problem was just the sudden changes of weather and temp all the time. You never knew how the day was going to turn out and had to take all kinds of clothes with you just in case. An umbrella yes, that's not too much to carry, but a couple of sweaters, a jacket if it happened to turn nasty and then of course, it'd get uncomfortably warm and I had to take off all those extra clothes.

Cheers,
Desi

A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi

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Rubiazo says on May 4, 2005, 10:29:

I've seen some places in Estrato 6 that actually have central heating. I couldn't imagine a bigger waste of money. I was born and raised in Winnipeg, Canada, and to us, any temperature above 50f=10c is swimming weather. It rarely stays at the pleasantness they constantly enjoy in Bogota anywhere in Canada. It's usually either bitter cold or 90 degrees plus and dog-breath humid. I really couldn't imagine a better climate than that of Bogota.

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kernow62 says on May 4, 2005, 11:36:

Mr. Hollywood you have just explained one of the mysteries I have never understood.

I like to go outside while it is raining with a bucket of soapy water and wash the car, saves on the water bill. My wife is contantly yelling at me to come back inside or I'll catch my death of cold.

Perhaps she is right.

I'll put some clothes on next time.

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Gator says on May 4, 2005, 12:22:

Our solution.... an electric blanket with DUAL controls. Nippy at night but almost perfect in the day time. Wife has a small space heater for the bathroom.

"Bene, cum Latine nescias, nolo manus meas in te maculare" .

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Mr. Hollywood says on May 4, 2005, 12:50:

La Gripa When my son had a slight cold about a month ago, I took him out in the back yard to play right before sunset. When I got back to the apartment my son's nanny laughed and said, "all the nannies in the building were calling to tell me you two were out in the backyard and what the hell was I doing letting you take him (my son) out there after dark because he's going to die of the gripa..."

So apparently watching out for the gripa is a group effort.

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on May 4, 2005, 12:54:

it's the "sereno" that is really supposed to hurt you if you have the gripa. That is the cooler night air and the evening breeze. It's supposed to mortal especially if you just had a baby and haven't passed your 40 days of the "dieta", but also just as dangerous if you have the sniffles or a sore throat.
Cheers,
Desi

A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi

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Mr. Hollywood says on May 4, 2005, 12:56:

I didn't know that So the sereno is the evil "bad airs" of nightime coming on? I didn't know that one. Thanks!

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on May 4, 2005, 13:12:

and to protect yourself from the killer sereno if you have to go out after nightfall you must cover your head and especially your ears so that the sereno doesn't get into you body. (Little pearls of wisdom from my dear departed mother-in-law).
Cheers,
Desi

A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi

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Tinto (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on May 4, 2005, 13:46:

Lisa - I just remembered this table I made a couple of years ago. Twelve months of Bogota weather in F and C, plus rainfall (see note at bottom of web page about rainfall).



http://home.earthlink.net/~cafe.tinto/weather.htm

I wanted access to health care, housing and education, but, no, I get potholes, trash and silicone tits instead. -Desi.

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kernow62 says on May 4, 2005, 14:08:

Now who was it who said it doesn't go down into the 40s at night as a rule? ;-)

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Scalestick says on May 4, 2005, 15:13:

La gripa I haven't travelled to Bogota yet, or Colombia for that matter, but I know when I was travelling through Peru y Ecuador by bus that it was hard to keep a window open especially if there was a baby on board. It would be blistering hot but if you opened your window, even just a crack, it was soon closed again. I always thought that fresh air was good for you but since I was in another country I respected their wishes and didn't argue. (sometimes when it got really hot I would discretely slide the window open just a bit but it would soon become closed again.)At first it seems strange in a country where there is no central heat how people can be so sensitive about cold or cool air but I guess it's because they're always feeling the cold and aren't used to the creature comforts we take for granted in other parts of the world.

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SHBLatin says on May 4, 2005, 15:53:

Forget the cenral heating! I do not care about central heating. What really amazes me is that my novia takes a cold shower even though she has a hot water heater!!!!(she does not turn it on) Taking a cold shower does not even phase her. I would be screaming like I just fell out of an airplane.!!!! I can not do it. I force her to turn on the water heater for me.

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miamimike says on May 4, 2005, 18:01:

Viruses and Bacteria like crazy weather Bogota In fact they thrive in it.Viruses love a climate with wide temperature swings as encountered in Bogota.And Dampness. Perfect medium to grow 'em. Got to be tough on people with compromised immune systems or the elderly with respiratory ailments. I left an Electric Blanket at a friend's apt. last time I was there for my next visit.Why Suffer-take a good raincoat and umbrella-never could find a streetcorner umbrella vender when you need one. Only heating I have seen in Bogota was a Chimenea/fireplace. Heating systems are very costly for the ordinary colombian but to my knowledge the wealthy don't have central heating either.

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kernow62 says on May 4, 2005, 18:32:

With all the problems with la gripa and the viruses it is amazing that Colombians live so long. I think the average longevity for women is higher than the US, for men it is somewhat lower, but then there are other factors involved in that figure. How do these folks do it, they eat germ-ridden food according to (crap I forgot his name, JamesVH's pal), Bogotá is a breeding ground for viruses, you have to let the seat on the bus air out before you sit down or else. Perhaps it is not that Colombians live a long time it is that us lard-asses in the US are dropping dead too soon.

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platano says on May 4, 2005, 19:42:

Hey, Mario, I visited Houston last year and.... it snowed in Houston! Houston is too cold for me in winter. I'd prefer Bogota with no central heating and three wool blankets.

Platano, estudiante del Manual de Urbanidad y Buenas Maneras por Manuel Antonio Carreño
Oxigeno Verde
Foto de Platanito chinito

plátano

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kernow62 says on May 4, 2005, 19:51:

You guys go stand in a garage with a gasoline car running and I will do the same with a modern diesel. The winner is the last man alive.

My old 300D (Mario the D means diesel) never had a black bumper, it is all in how well the injectors are working and the timing of the injector pump. Under normal load they shouldn't blow black smoke. They could do like Miamimike and run them on used cooking oil.

I think Bogotá has more taxis and I know it has more buses than NYC, coupled with its geographic location it is surprising it isn't more than double NYC's value.

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kernow62 says on May 4, 2005, 20:14:

I read it incorrectly I thought you specified a diesel model of the 300D when in fact you were pointing out that the 300D was a diesel model.

Modern diesels from Europe use a self-regenerating trap which actually resuces particulate emissions to levels lower than for a gasoline engine. Even when a gasoline engine has a catalytic converter it still produces 28 times the carbon monoxide of a modern diesel. Diesels are more efficient than gasoline engines, more durable, need less maintenance. Why would anyone prefer gasoline engines? Properly maintained many automotive diesels will do 500,000 or more miles, truck engines have a useful life of 30 to 40 years. Sorry gasoline engines cannot compete.

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kernow62 says on May 4, 2005, 20:35:

Mario if you are talking about yellow cabs NYC has at 12,000, Bogotá has at 55,000. If you include all the different livery services in NYC the figure is comparable to that of Bogotá.

http://www.schallerconsult.com/taxi/newfb/size.htm

Bogotá has at 27,000 buses of all descriptions, not including the at 600 of the Transmilenio.

http://www.transmilenio.gov.co/transmilenio/eng_transport1.htm

NYC has a paltry 4,566 buses. I don't know how familiar Elmo is with Bogotá, I have been to both places & I am certain it is easier to catch a bus in Bogotá and except for parts of NYC it is a damn sight easier to get a taxi in Bogotá. With respect.

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chaparon bonaparte says on May 4, 2005, 20:54:

No, Bogota isnt warm, rather cool, but if you are looking for a heater...forget about it. I dont know what all this 60F (or was that 6000F???) stuff is.
In Bog you should expect during the day 16 - 20 degC and at night something somewhere between 5 to 10 degC.

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kernow62 says on May 4, 2005, 20:57:

Sounds about right.

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Miguel says on May 4, 2005, 22:56:

kernow The name you were looking for earlier was the unforgettable KERRY.

"There is nothing lower than the human race...except for the French." - Mark Twain 1878-79

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lpdiver says on May 5, 2005, 03:41:

Mario The only difference between a psycosomatic ailment and a somatic ailment is the manner in which you treat them. They are both equally real and equally painful. Psycosomatic pain is every bit as painful as somatic pain but often more difficult to alliveate.

T

Remember what the monkey says, "Fuck money it's free"

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kernow62 says on May 5, 2005, 04:00:

Damn Miguel, I had forgotten him, now you have gone and reminded me. ;-)

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kernow62 says on May 5, 2005, 05:55:

Mario you are probably wiser than I, I just hailed a cab, I looked for one of the new mini cabs (thinking it might be safer)but that could just as well have been a crook. I just imagined these rogue taxistas use the old crappy Renaults and the legit guys use the nice shiny new Chevy Spark, Daewoo Matiz and Hyundai Atos models. I know these bad things happen, I just figure with 55,000 cabs and 8 million people what are the odds.

Do you ride the buses in Bogota? I really like them, I wouldn't if I was in a hurry, but they are interesting, not all bland like the modern ones. How the heck do the drivers manage to shift (the gear shift lever is behind them), make change, spot people on the kerb, thread their way through the traffic? They are truly amazing!

A friend just landed a job driving one of the new Transmilenio buses, a piece of cake compared to the old bus he says. Wonder how the pay compares.

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Rubiazo says on May 5, 2005, 05:58:

We get the same old wives tales in the USA Regarding 'la gripa', but mainly among black people. I've heard that hundreds of times here, about the 'cold night air' being bad for you. As far as I know the colder the air the cleaner it is and the better it is for you. People who practise yogic breath control are actually supposed to look for the coldest air possible, (i.e. climb a mountain).

I heard some old crone in the projects once tell me my then 6 month old daughter was gonna get sick. It was like 75 degrees out (about 23c) but with a stiff wind. Apparently she was gonna get hella sick of 'wind colic' in her 'mole' if i didn't put a WINTER HAT on her head right away :))))

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lpdiver says on May 5, 2005, 06:00:

Kernow62 I know I have had my wife flag a few of the smaller ones off. I have trouble getting in and out of the larger ones. My size 12's hardly fit in the back of the larger taxi's. And I have come close to falling flat on my face a few times. Often it is a better option for me to ride in the front of the taxi.

T

Remember what the monkey says, "Fuck money it's free"

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kernow62 says on May 5, 2005, 09:32:

lpdiver my wife and I are wee little people we fit in the little cabs, but I could imagine someone big like Mateo trying to get in and out, it would not be graceful.

Of course when we have suitcases we had the hotel call a suitable cab and even then it was a squeeze.

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miamimike says on May 5, 2005, 09:40:

The temperature parameters you mention are a perfect enviroment for the propagation of viruses and Bacterias. Tell me what city you have to where you see more upper and lower respiratory ailments then Bogota.When the Temps go down to 20 as mention above, many bacteria and viruses cannot survive but in the temp swings, coupled with the "high humidity"--its the "Perfect Storm".

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Mr. Hollywood says on May 5, 2005, 09:49:

Right It's not the extremes of temperature but, rather, the lack of them that makes Bogota a petri dish for viral and bacterial infection. In a place like Toronto, the winter kills everything. In Phoenix, the heat bakes the little buggers. Here in Bogota, they just keep growing. Toss in altitude and a bus belch of black exhaust every now and then and it's a wonder anyone still has lungs.

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miamimike says on May 5, 2005, 10:03:

Lot of confusion on diesel technology comparing the old MB 240D and 300D Diesels of the 60s to mid 80s to current fuel injected diesels such as the new MBs BMWs, Pugeots and VW Diesels is like comparing day and night. Simply no comparison in emmissions, noise levels,efficiency acceleration ect.I should add also that if these new 3rd generation diesel cars were as bad as some say-think Europe, who for the most part, is more enviromentally aware then either the US or South America, would permit them on their highways. Hell france sells diesel motored NEW cars 70% to 30% for gas cars sold on the market. I have 3 diesel cars--2 old MBs--240 models---'77and '80)and a new VW New Beetle with a TDI engine(all electronic and computer controlled)--and about the only commonalities bthey share are they both have Glow Plugs, injector pumps and use diesel fuel--otherwise many many differences.And New Diesels are approximately 20-40% more efficient then a comparable gas motor. On a recent trip here in Florida from Miami to Clewiston-Lake Ochkechobee--I hit a solid 45 mpg and at speeds of 75-100 mphsustained. The old belching MB, maybe 22mpg if I was lucky--and no 100 mph for sure.

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lpdiver says on May 5, 2005, 10:06:

And The TDI will run on biodiesel quite well. When you wish to get rid of it let me know...


Tony

Remember what the monkey says, "Fuck money it's free"

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on May 5, 2005, 10:11:

I drive one of those no-ass tiny Korean boxes. Actually, getting in and out of them is surprisingly easy, since they're pretty high and square, the doors are wide and the instep very low (tiny wheels). The visibility is great too, but I always get nervous when a car gets to close to my bumper since the rear half of the car is missing. Another hazard is high winds that get a frightful grip of the car. I can imagine myself on the roof roadside with wheels running in thin air like a little black beetle upside down.

Cheers,
Desi

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miamimike says on May 5, 2005, 10:16:

Dressing for the weather in Bogota Its not really that hard anymore with all the good rain gear, synthetics ect on the market for travel and camping.I always take my Thinsulate lightweight vest, Gortex Jacket,pants and hat(yea I am old fashioned-I wear a hat-its not an old wive's or grandmother's story either--when your head gets hold, the rest of the body soon follows and gets cold-a natural phenomenon to protect the brain)--takes very little space folded up in a back pack.And most people are already are familiar with layering--more in the cold morning and shedding at noon when it warms up.I think its much much easier now then it would have been say 30-40 years ago without this new gear.Be cvareful with the footgear also-like waterproof type--nothing worse then those Ever present 4pm-7pm Daily Bogota Deluges and nothing more miserable then cold wet feet. They sell those Gortex WEaterproof Socks pretty cheap around $12 a pair last time I purchased a pair.Just pick your gear for practicality and not so much for style and you are all set. Enjoy your trip.

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miamimike says on May 5, 2005, 10:26:

Desi you may surprised in the crash tests on some of those "Small Cars"--many have fared as good or better then some of our "Monster SUVs". Bigger does not always mean better. In test by the National Highway Safty Administration--the Body crumple zones,airbags ect--performed as they were engineered to perform and they occupants walked away unharmed. That is what should happen in my little VW New Beetle. On my old MBs--true they would not crumble unless hit by a train head on-but the fact that they transferred much of the Deadly Impact Energy back to to the Driver is the Killer. On your car-this Energy is absorbed thru various crumple Zones in the car body before it gets to you causing lots of Damage. Many disagree on new car quality but in reality-they are much safer.On Roominess-the surprising thing-those little Mini Coopers actually have more leg and head room then many Huge Suvs. Try it and you'll see.

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miamimike says on May 5, 2005, 10:34:

Tony if you are serious-I will keep you in Mind. Yes, some of the VW fans also are running their Turbo Diesels on Waste Vegetable Oil(WVO from McDonalds) nice smell-like French(or should I be politically correct and say freedom)Fries.Its Red Ext/Black leather int. with a Moonroof and heated seats. Is a 5 speed-only way to go--Ac is ice cold, heat works great. Good sound system--has diamond plated aluminum rocker panel covers which gives it an "extreme appearence"-not another like it! Sometome I'll load some Pics of it in my image gallery.Way Cool.

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lpdiver says on May 5, 2005, 10:38:

ok miami take care of my car now. I was thinking more along the lines of hog fat...my chincharones coche...jejeje


t

Remember what the monkey says, "Fuck money it's free"

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on May 5, 2005, 11:19:

miamimike that was good to hear. I always get very nervous driving that tiny thing on highways and over 100km/hour speed:( It's got airbags and runs like a little black angel,though.
Cheers,
Desi
BTW. I've added pictures in my image gallery; a closeup of my old, ugly embittered face and a pic of my kids.

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Lionheart says on May 5, 2005, 16:31:

soy beans In Germany farmers are using part of their crop space for soy beans to make their own diesel for their tractors, they also get hefty government checks/tax breaks if they sell the surplus to the locals. Earlier experiements with corn=methane fuel were by far not as efficient.

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kernow62 says on May 5, 2005, 19:59:

The same is being done in the US, they have increased the subsidies to farmers in an attempt to bring down the cost of bio-diesel to a level comparable to diesel (which is overpriced compared to gasoline). Do a GOOGLE for biodiesel Willie Nelson or Willie Diesel, now theirs a catchy name. ;-)

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Lionheart says on May 6, 2005, 01:57:

if it's from Willie then it should be a bottle of Whiskey River, and it will run more than one kind of a motor ... and don't smoke anything with him!

Willie

I met him in Austin when he came into a bar on 6th and started jammin' with a local band ... nobody went home sober that night.

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Chavo del 8 says on May 6, 2005, 03:00:

lionheart... In Germany farmers are using part of their crop space for soy beans to make their own diesel

Makes sense. Soy beans are used because they are LOW in fat. Perhaps you mean RAPE, rape oil.

yy

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kernow62 says on May 6, 2005, 04:11:

The oilseed rape is in bloom right now back home in Cornwall, a beautiful sight a field of oilseed rape blooming with a beautiful blue sky in the background (the latter is not common). Now I am getting homesick.

www.cornwallcam.co.uk

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lpdiver says on May 6, 2005, 07:38:

Actually There is a lot of politics involved in which vegetable oil to use. Almost as much as over petro oil. But in reality it makes no difference. Mercedes won't certify for WVO unless it's origin suits them politically.

T

Remember what the monkey says, "Fuck money it's free"

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Lionheart says on May 6, 2005, 21:29:

maybe my error In German it is called Rapsöl ... not soy beans

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Chavo del 8 says on May 7, 2005, 02:10:

Lionheartw wrote Exactly, Rapsoel is produced a lot in Germany for Diesel replacement.
I dont think many people produce Soya in Germany ;).
Argentina is now producing more and more Soya for export to China.
Its very healthy, low in fat, high in protein, and the Tofu you make out of it is also very healthy.

yy

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miamimike says on May 7, 2005, 06:06:

In 1923 Rudolph Diesel ..Inventor of the Diesel Engine of Germany originally designed the Diesel engine to run on Plant Fuel, not Fossil fuel. He ran his protype on Peanut Oil way back when.Renewable resorces was his invention goal way back when-something a farmer could grow and run his diesel motor at the same time. We have strayed..

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Dan says on May 7, 2005, 06:37:

My Wife: It doesn't matter what the temp is. She could even be in Melgar... Her feet are freezing! Also, anytime I cough or sneeze, she asks me how I'm doing or if I have gripa. I always tell her not to worry about me. Another thing, sometimes it could be a nice sunny day in Bogota and she won't remember to bring the umbrella. If it starts raining, she won't go outside if she can help it because she doesn't want her hair to get wet, saying that the rain or any water will ruin it. has anyone else seen that before?

I joked around with her once saying that when she comes to the US she is probably going to have so many layers on in the winter time that she won't be able to move. If you watch the Simpsons on TV and see the baby Maggie with winter clothes, you will know what I'm talking about. I told her that is how she would look. Unable to move.

I think my wife and her daughter are going to be in a real treat to see such changing climates when they arrive to the US.

God Bless America!

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Dan says on May 7, 2005, 06:41:

lpdiver Just saw your comment on having size 12's... imagine me: 14's.

Better yet, try going to a shoe store in Bogota and ask to see if they have 47's (I think that's the right size for me)

God Bless America!

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kernow62 says on May 7, 2005, 09:00:

Don't most women say they don't want to get their hair wet because it will ruin it? I think it is the style that will be ruined.

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Lionheart says on May 8, 2005, 01:15:

straight hair and draughts My Colombian/Native American ex girlfriend has a black mane down to her butt. She always critisized the chemical treatment as stupid since it doesn't stay straight in high humidity or when it gets wet. She uses a special huge hair straightener, a mix between a curling iron and a pair of tongs.

Older Germans are notorious for their fear of draughts, no wonder they have to hang their feather beds out of the windows to air them out in the morning. Travelling in busses, trains, or even cars were a pain, since most Germans don't have a/c in their vehicles. But never dare to open a window, they will die! German saying:
Es ist noch keiner erstunken, aber viele sind erfroren.

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kernow62 says on May 8, 2005, 05:21:

Interesting about the Germans, perhaps if there is ever another war against them they can be defeated with giant fans. ;-)

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juanalejo says on May 8, 2005, 10:11:

Bogota High Temperature in Dry Season up to 22/24 °C (12noon to 3 pm) Low Temperature down lowest in same season 5/-2 °C (3 to 5 am) due to the lack of cloud cover. Rainy Season up to 16/18 °C and down to 6/8. Heating available in newer expensive apartments and is usually vapor generated from the central water heater boiler systems.

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Chavo del 8 says on May 9, 2005, 01:25:

Tinto,
I have not written that soya does not contain any fat,
About all natural grains/seeds contain more or less fat.
Soya should contain around 17 - 19% of fat. The question here is whether its worth extracting the fat for use in cars when other seeds have much higher fat content.
The other thing, as discussed and agreed on, soya is mainly an american and asian thing and less European business. You can make nice soya milk out of it. That one contains some of the soya fat plus some of the very valuable soya protein.

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kernow62 says on May 9, 2005, 04:39:

Juanalejo, what is considered the dry season in Bogotá?

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Gomezman5 says on May 9, 2005, 06:57:

It looks like I have to present some more G5 logic here.

"Why would anyone want central heating" ....Some enlightened person

"Central heating is not good for you".........Mr. Kernow

Maybe us people in the Mid West, North, and Northeast wouldn't be in existance...as in gone fromzen to death. Maybe back in the 1800 after we (these United States) beat the pants of the Brits for the last time, we had to contend with sitting around a fireplace to prevent us from freezing to death. But, something tells me that I don't think many of us long for those days again.

I don't know Kernow, I don't think you can find one person.......not one, who lives in a part of the country where they rely on central heating to prevent them from freezing to death, that would say "central heating is not good for you."

At least do me a favor and tell what is wrong with central heating? I would be curious to find out your take on this.

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Rubiazo says on May 9, 2005, 07:12:

If you are referring to me I said, why would anybody want central heating IN BOGOTA or in another place where there is no real cold to speak of. I went three months in Toronto (Feb-April) with NO heating several years ago and it was not pleasant!! But when I shop for my apartment in Bogota (if I decide to go that route) I could give a damn if the place has central heating or not. IMO it doesnt get nearly cold enough to bother with it.

Turning up your heating in the NY winter like some people do here so that it's 85 inside when it's 25 outside is definitely unhealthy, because of the temperature difference when you go outside. Also, having your place that hot just encourages the growth of molds, fungus, and other nasties. Putting it at 68 isn't a problem. 65 would be cheaper and healthier but it's actually ILLEGAL here to have it under 68. Also, many people's ducted HVAC systems here in their homes are poorly maintained and throw dust/spores/germs all through the place. Putting the AC on full blast to that it's 55 inside on a 95 degree day is just as bad.

BTW just looking at the weather for Bogota. They've had a good 20 days of straight rain. Damn!!

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juanalejo says on May 9, 2005, 08:08:

Seasons in Bogota and for that matter in most of the central and south western Colombia are roughly: dry in summer and winter and wet in autumm and spring.

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Gomezman5 says on May 9, 2005, 09:58:

Fungus -- Growth ?? Sometimes, correction, a lot of times, I just can't believe the stuff I read on here.

Fungus, and molds typicaly need moisture to grow in. The US in the winter time, along with central heating does not cause fungus to grow because it is so dry. In Chicago, during the winter months, and this is true of all norther place in the US, the indoor humidity rarely exceeds %20 (if that) during the cold months when we are running central heating. In fact, almost all homes have humidifiers attached to their furnaces to add moisture to the air. The air is so dry that if you have carpeting, when you walk around the house and then touch something, your body generates static electricity and you end up shocking yourself.

This stuff about mold and fungus forming in houses with central heating is a bunch of bull. It just does not happen. Period. In fact, you will find more molds and fungus in places like Miami where there is never a need for central heating, but because the humidity is high most of the time, they have these types of problems. The only time I have ever seen any mold in Chicago is when I forget to clean the coffee pot before I go away, and when I get back, I find all kinds of green whatever floating on top of my cofffe. Which adds to my contention, that where there is no moisture, there is not molds or fungus.....

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