Tell me about the women to avoid

Bill1243 says on Nov 17, 2004, 19:23:

note It's very simple..... take your time, just like you would if you met someone up here. Get to know their family and friends. You are essentially trying to avoid the green card sharks, but there's not really a lot of them there.

The biggest thing is time....and also, if you're 50, don't go for a 20 year old. Only idiots would do that. And quite frankly, even though beautiful women are all over down there, think twice about bringing one back sometime,.... after all, this is America, land of the fat chicks, so bringing back a 10 might be just a bit much to put up with. Get to know a nice, cute, smart, caring lady and you'll do fine...

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goosekirk says on Nov 17, 2004, 19:23:

Just remember your Groucho "I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member."

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CasaSol says on Nov 17, 2004, 19:23:

Get over yourself One suggestion: don't come. One thing Colombia doesn't need is another person like you. Why travel this far to exploit women. Do it in your own home town.

Ricolombia.com | The Guide to Colombian Culture, Crafts & Travel

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calipro says on Nov 17, 2004, 19:54:

Take it easy ricolombia.... Listen to the guy.

Does he sound like anybody that could exploit someone?

Most would rely on common sense and their life experiances.

But,this guy is asking complete strangers to help him with personal relationships that he doesn't even have yet!

Let's all say a prayer for him instead of giving him a bunch of crap.

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2retirensa says on Nov 17, 2004, 20:28:

It's simple Avoid the same kind of woman there you would avoid here. Women there don't have a corner on the "schemeing female" market. I'm sure you've met some here. The only difference is the green card. Looking for someone to give them an easier, softer way is a way of life for some women -no matter where they are.
I just returned to St. Louis after 2 weeks in Cali. You'll have a great time if you follow the golden rule.
Maureen

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cazzy says on Nov 17, 2004, 20:32:

NOTES TAKEN SOME MEMBERS HAVE SPOKEN OF A AGE DIFFERENCE OF 30 YEARS AND HAVE BEEN LUCKY . TIME IS NOT ON YOUR SIDE WHEN YOUR JUST A VISITOR, YOU WANT TO REMBER THAT

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JamieJ says on Nov 17, 2004, 20:37:

Well there you go cazzy it looks like you should avoid ricolombia :)

Jamie
Engage The Exotic - Colombian Women

Jamie

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cazzy says on Nov 17, 2004, 20:44:

WHAT IF THINGS WERE REVERSED I KNOW THERE ARE GOOD WOMEN HERE IN THE STATES, I AM NOT IN THE LEAST BIT ANNOYED IF ANY FOREIGNER TAKES A LADY FROM THE US OF A. IT A GOOD THING. AND I WISH HIM EVERY HAPPY THING

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Lionheart says on Nov 17, 2004, 21:05:

take your time I have been looking for 4 years now, for 2 years I am looking at Colombia. As mentioned above, do not join a club that requires membership fees. I have met wonderful women on Amigos.com and many are my friends now. I tell all friends first ... after being friends we discover we are not made for each other. But they help me, and I help them sort out the foul ones. Plus ... when I go to Colombia I will have friends ... that is worth a lot.

The whole Latina dating scene is very different from the Russian/whatever or Asian dating scene. In contrast to many other statements made here, if you take your time, you weed out all that are not wanting love ... those wanting love forever are patient. On the other hand, be aware of passion and jealousy ... do not play several, you will loose. Once you find a focus, keep it focused.

One fact amazes me most about Colombianias. They are so well known for their beauty and can choose from many men. But once they lock down on one it is true to the heart. They may be young, they may be older, but compared to other countries they are more committed. The age difference others talk about is crap, you are as young as you feel, that is the age you seek. Don't tell me nothing about because they are poor ... all other nations are poorer except Chile.

Colombia is a beautiful country and has beautiful women ... you adapt to their culture and way of life, you win. If you take her back to the USA, plan on many visits to her friends and family to keep her happy. If you are flexible, move there, you won't regret it.

You are in a rush? Move there, then select. You don't have the guts? Then forget it.

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Chuck says on Nov 17, 2004, 22:27:

he he he he he he he.... Women are women.... here there and everywhere!

Love? It was great to be in love while a teenager... Ok... maybe till your 28th birthday...

From then on... Is it really love? Convenience maybe? Or what else... I'm all ears ladies!

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caslug says on Nov 17, 2004, 23:46:

be aware that colombian women have.. no concept of time. Confirm a meeting for 7pm, and you will be lucky if they show up only 1 hr late. Plus, they will ask you to accompany them home after a date, and no it is not what you think. Apparently, many women i met told me the reason is safety issue for a women by herself to go in a taxi late at night, especially the one you hail on the street. Some of the women, will choose a very expensive restaurant(casa vieja) if you ask them to recommend something. And at least in Bogota, things really are slow between sun to wed, by 11 pm, even zona rosa is very quiet. Plus, women who have jobs, will want to go home by 10 or 11pm because of work during the weeknight. Of course, if you are seeing a person is not working(student or unemploy), maybe it will be different.

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Peter (Moderator) (Trustee board) (Dev team) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 18, 2004, 01:52:

cintiamay says on Nov 18, 2004, 09:10:

I have only 1 comment. Would all the guys who spout about fat U.S. chicks please post at least 1 picture of themselves so we can see how svelte and beautiful they are....

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Nov 18, 2004, 11:56:

my best advice stay away from the intelligent, honest, educated, optimistic, bright, successful girls in Colombia. The country needs them there, not in the States. Enough of the best people have already emigrated.
Cheers,
Desi

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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isaactraveler says on Nov 18, 2004, 14:00:

stay away from the ones with bulges in the groin area. another clue is if their voices are deeper than yours.

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ColombianoX says on Nov 18, 2004, 15:11:

"experience the Colombiana's and then return and marry an American chick! haha"

Amen to that! I like your way of thinking, gringoinbogota!

Now just out of curiosity, what could you possibly miss about (north)american women?


ColombianoX

ColombianoX 'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

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roberto845 says on Nov 18, 2004, 17:01:

Thanks for the many laughs. Ola Everybody!
I am new to this site. I will be in Cartagena in a couple of weeks, for a couple of weeks (at least), and I certainly enjoy all of your comments. I find myself laughing while reading them. I appreciate all the insight you are giving me about your country and city. I have been in Medellin, so I am not brand new to your country. I have enjoyed my past visit to Colombia, and am looking forward to my next.
Keep the info flowing!
Roberto845

roberto845

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cazzy says on Nov 18, 2004, 19:10:

LOTTA FRIENDS Your idea is sound and makes good sence. But have you had had any experience with the introduction dating services.? And which city have you been were these things took place. This kissing thing is interesting, I wonder what it is all about.

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cazzy says on Nov 18, 2004, 19:13:

Late For The Date You should have hade a back up, teach them a lesson

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YEP says on Nov 18, 2004, 20:09:

Dear Des "my best advice stay away from the intelligent, honest, educated, optimistic, bright, successful girls in Colombia. The country needs them there, not in the States. Enough of the best people have already emigrated."

This "traffic" goes both ways and is actually increasing the more stable countries like Columbia get. Reasons for this is various and depends of the direction of the "traffic".

And if the politicians/interestgroups there don't work on changing things for the better the traffic away from Columbia will increase as simple as that ;-)

The traffic from the more "developed" world will decrese or stay at present level for the same reasons mentioned above.

Don't blame those Columbians going away as most will return again if they see true progress. Hopefully the have gained a lot of usefull knowledge while they were away and can provide valuable assistance to accellerate progress in Columbia.

The bad think about this is that it takes time.

From my point of view many solutions to some of the problems there has to be found in the developed world. But Columbia as a whole and especially the VIP's of the country can be blamed for many many mistakes too.

Before this gets in to a flamer, which is not intende I should state that I'm a newbie on the topic "Columbian development/politics" ;-)

So I hope that you specialists on the topic can live with my very general statement

------------------------------------------------------------------- Just another scandinavian getting ready to explore South America

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paisa29 says on Nov 19, 2004, 08:59:

For those who are interested in Colombian women

We have all kind of women here.
there are some girls with beautiful bodies (silicone) but most of them are shallow and maybe are easy.
there are good ones who are looking for love, they are hard workers, intelligent,caring,cute,tender,etc but this kind is very hard to find.
there are also poor women (gold diggers) looking for a better life.

good luck.
paisita

"Fill the earth with the light and warmth of hospitality" Conrad Hilton

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cazzy says on Nov 19, 2004, 10:37:

Honesty, Hardly ever heard, every one is so untrue Except from the Paisa29. Can you relate some personal exsperiences. What city are you in in Bogata?

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elmodefoque says on Nov 19, 2004, 10:40:

damn paisita, you're one honest broad, i like that!

I'll get there, when I get there!

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Nov 19, 2004, 10:53:

true but the types mentioned by paisita are fairly universal. Then, if I may add, there are different categories of seekers too...some want to find a silicone-enhanced mafia princess who can't carry on a conversation, some want to find a subservient, modest, home-maker type who cooks and cleans, and still manages to look good, some are obsessed with the My Fair Lady-syndrome and want to find a pretty, humble girl and see what they can make out of her...yes. Prof. Higginses of the modern world are often fascinated with third world women.
There's, however, a good supply of the honest, hard-working, intelligent, sweet women in Colombia, but maybe you guys are looking in wrong places...
Cheers,
Desi

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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elmodefoque says on Nov 19, 2004, 11:17:

is funny, hanging around nyc latin women mostly puerto ricans you don't come across many sell outs or any at all. you got to be also latin or you aint gettin nothing from them, but now the colombian women is whole different story.
are you guys glad to see me back? to hear the rejected (by fellow colombianas) view.

I'll get there, when I get there!

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cazzy says on Nov 19, 2004, 11:28:

Hangin Out Where are they found? In the introduction services? In the clubs? Maybe ubder ELMO'S bed

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cazzy says on Nov 19, 2004, 11:36:

NOW COMES SOME INSIGHT So, they are not all that and a bag of chips, when it comes right down to it? I can understand and identify with this explanation. In th states many of the black american women are beautiful,but are incompitent at managing money ,work,stress and are unorganized.

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Nov 19, 2004, 12:00:

you won't find them under elmo's bed I'm sure...nothing but old chewed-up bones there...
Some I imagine could be found at the introduction services, but these would be the eliza-types. If I were a guy (what a relief I'm not), I'd look at the university campuses, social clubs and at the friends'.
Cheers,
Desi

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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elmodefoque says on Nov 19, 2004, 12:05:

desi, you forgot the almost empty bag of potatoe chips and an empty box of domingo pizza and yeah the "pepto" for my diarreah.

I'll get there, when I get there!

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Nov 19, 2004, 12:18:

you'd better do something about that thingie...it can't be healthy eating all that garbage...(elmo)
tinto, you have just walked the tables. This is something I've been trying to say for the longest time...but I guess not many people have been listening.
However, it's fascinating what the male dreams are made of. Bikini-clad princesses with a degree in neurophysics, beautiful, young homemakers with a pearls and high heels saying "hi honey, did you have a nice day at the office today", beautiful, but yet ah so good-hearted prostitutes that can be converted to decent women by the love of an honest, hard-working, god-fearing man....
next artist please enter the arena.
Cheers,
desi

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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Tinto (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Nov 19, 2004, 12:39:

I think I am going to rent.... ...the updated "Stepford Wives" with Nicole Kidman and a bunch of other big-name stars. That should give me some more ideas to add to your list of desireable traits. ;-)

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utopiacowboy says on Nov 19, 2004, 16:01:

I don't think you can really pigeon-hole the guys or the women. It probably looks that way from the outside looking in but I'd say there are as many different perspectives as there are people. I get a lot of correspondence from gringoes on visa-related matters and there are all kinds, believe me. The only common denominator seems to be that the women usually have one or more children.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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rrey says on Nov 19, 2004, 17:26:

Colombia not Columbia Hey to the idiot who wrote COLUMBIA...yes I'm shouting!
What kind of idiot at this day and age is still writing Columbia?
Wake up and use your brain or go back to the Iunitted Ztates of Hamerika.

Your only showing you lack of brain...

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treeshark2 says on Nov 19, 2004, 19:20:

Avoid women like Amy look at http://www.international-introductions.com/Hate_Mail.asp?sid=

And try to avoid women like Amy

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Nov 20, 2004, 02:10:

treeshark http://www.international-introductions.com/Hate_Mail.asp?sid=887534823-21311260109
jaimie pretending to be first an American then a Swedish girl asking himself questions and then answering them. That was funny!
Cheers,
Desi

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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Atrevido (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 20, 2004, 03:45:

isaactraveler says on Nov 20, 2004, 11:30:

hey desi desi, how did you come to that conclusion? i did notice that the wordage and rythyms seemed similar, since rarely have I seen such a good debate where both sides argue so concisely. Just curious, if I should worship you now, or after you let me stay at your B&B free.

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isaactraveler says on Nov 20, 2004, 11:33:

HEY ATREVIDO really nice pics

I have a question for you regarding your gringo friend who married the 40 year old and incurred her debts:

Tell me more about that friend, did he HAVE to pay the bills? did he take her to the US or did they stay in Colombia, and what was the actual motivation for incurring her debts, especially things like the phone bill....

I ask, because when I was last there, I paid up my fiancees phone bill, although I couldnt understand why she was paying it off if she was moving out ( meaning why it was urgent) as opposed to paying it off when the time came. she was telling me that the phone service was in the owners name and it would be turned off until someone paid, so it wasnt fair to the owner. I got the reciept, so I know thats what happened.

anyway, I read somewhere that unlike the US where bad debt stays on your credit for 7 years, it only lasts 6 months in Colombia.

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Nov 20, 2004, 11:47:

isaac LOL
You're free to worship me both before and after at your convenience...
Seriously, it is only a hunch. I have a bit of linguistic background, and whenreading that page it just struck me that either there has been some heavy-handed "editing" of the mail, both the questions and answers were written by the same person. The syntax is and semantics, the rythm and and the cadence are just too similar. Besides, I live in Sweden and speak Swedish and am pretty sure that no Swedish girl would have phrased the questions and comments that way.
Cheers,
Desi

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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YEP says on Nov 20, 2004, 12:55:

rrey ... you ignorant person/jerk I'm not from the the US
but while we're at it .... could you pronouce:

"Rød grød med fløde" in Danish or any scandinavian.

If you're looking for perfection ... don't get near a mirror or the net in general.

------------------------------------------------------------------- Just another scandinavian getting ready to explore South America

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jack73534 says on Nov 20, 2004, 22:45:

anger There seems to be alot of anger with gringos here. Some of it seem to be racial like in the states white guys get mad when blond blue eyed girls date black guys , also black girls get mad too. I live in Oklahoma and Indian guys get mad when you date Indian girls. I really think they or mad because this limits the chances down for them. Don,t get mad at people trying to be happy. I don,t get mad at people that come to the states to find a better life. You should not get mad if I have the income to move to Colombia and pump some money into your country. Yes I want a pretty girl but also a smart girl. I would like o have a couple of kids and she would be giving half the DNA. I want a girl the will treat me with respect , american girls want to talk down to you because they have been tought all men are idots and you latin guys are players and idiots. They or so involved in the consumer culture that you can never make enough money because they always want more until you can,t afford their wants any more , then you or a loser and they find reasons to drive you away. I want a girl with family values, that loves her father and mother , that would want me to be part of her family. I guess I do want a stepford wife.

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DiegoDelNorte says on Nov 21, 2004, 06:24:

Colombianas & Money "In th states many of the black american women are beautiful,but are incompitent at managing money ,work,stress and are unorganized."

I'm sure they exist, but I have yet to run across a Colombiana who didn't know how to squeeze a peso until it screamed. I consider this a great trait, because it counterbalances my spendthriftiness.

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JamieJ says on Nov 22, 2004, 15:55:

Desi Your “hunch” is as faulty as your reasoning.

“jamie pretending to be first an American then a Swedish girl asking himself questions and then answering them. That was funny!”

This Swedish “girl” was a man. Nowhere does it indicate that this is a female. If you read carefully you would have caught the one reference of his gender as a “guy.”

“Seriously, it is only a hunch. I have a bit of linguistic background, and when reading that page it just struck me that either there has been some heavy-handed "editing" of the mail, both the questions and answers were written by the same person. The syntax is and semantics, the rhythm and the cadence are just too similar.”

Desi the only editing of the original exchange was the spelling and grammar corrections and the separation of various points that were originally bunched together in 4 or 5 exchanges which I broke down on a point by point basis. I did this so the piece could be more readable and understandable with no compromises made to the original intent and argument. Since English was not the writer’s primary language there were mistakes with almost every other word. The primary purpose of this webpage is the exchange of ideas and content on “mail order brides” in a clean and clear manner. Or in the case of those that share your views the lack of content (but please prove me wrong by taking up my offer below).

I take offense to your accusation of “pretending” I try to be very forthright and fair even with those that I disagree with. I thought you had a little more class than making an accusation that has no inkling of truth or basis for you to come to such a conclusion. You think there is no shortage of people that would disagree with me on this subject that I have to make one up? I debated and still do using this exchange because it reflects some of my libertarian views that are probably not appropriate for a commercial site but to call it fabricated tells me you that you prefer to use underhanded means to discredit those that you disagree with. It is not possible for me to come up with the silly reasons that you and the previously mentioned Amy’s of this world use for the stands you ho... or Desi is this your way of saying that this guy’s objections were so weak that it had to be made up by someone looking to easily counter?

Whether yes or no I invite you to privately (Jamie at latin-wife.com) debate me on this issue and when we are finish I will post on International Introductions website the relevant content, facts and validations for our counter opinions. You can now voice to many more people than will ever see this forum the “wrongs” of those that provide and use “mail order bride” services. http://www.international-introductions.com/Hate_Mail.asp
Jamie
Engage The Exotic - Colombian Women

Jamie

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M.Clint says on Nov 22, 2004, 16:52:

Yuck Most women on that Engage The Exotic site were very ugly, not exotic, just plain ugly man. Those are the desperate women that can't even be liked by colombian men, that's not representative of Colombian beauty at all.

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isaactraveler says on Nov 22, 2004, 17:07:

JamieJ I think the problem is... you took liberties by editing the letter to you. Maybe it would have been better to put in an editors note that you translated, and have some link to original post. In this day and age we become cynics as to who is selling what, and like it was mentioned above, syntax seemed very similar.

anyways, I looked over your website and I like it, however I would remove the pictures of the girls you have banned from your services, as it looks like a grudge thing since you dont say what they were doing. Suffice it to say you are diligent about removing the names of those women that are reported as being users or scammers.

you have a very sharp pen, my friend. I would not want to spar verbally with you.

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JamieJ says on Nov 22, 2004, 21:03:

Isaactraveler The pictures of some of the girls we have removed from the website are there not as a grudge but to warn other men to stay away from such women. Some of these women are on other agencies. I don’t say what they did for legal reasons however I am open to bringing this up with interested parities who want to know why a particular woman was voluntarily removed by us.
As for the editing I didn’t consider grammatical and spelling changes significant enough to make a note. This was not an academic paper. Taking 3 paragraphs of his with my three replies and splitting this into 3 separate sections is no harm to either proponent’s point of view. I want to show the thinking or lack of for those that object to what I am doing. If I was not vacationing in California I would of laid out the original text with what was on the website because I do not see the syntax similarities at all our style and writing is very different. However when I return I will make note of what was done at the end of the exchange.

Jamie
Engage The Exotic - Colombian Women

Jamie

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Nov 22, 2004, 21:52:

jamie thanks for the invitation, but I'll have to decline. See, English is not my first language either, and I'd just hate to be "edited" while comfortably sleeping in my bed. Anyway, I don't feel that strongly about the issue that I'd get involved in a lengthy debate.
Cheers,
Desi

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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gringosalsero says on Nov 23, 2004, 13:12:

Found one of the Good Ones! But I didnt have to go to Colombia. I met her here in the US. Intelligent, sweet, loving and beautiful. She is a CPA in Colombia formerly working for Deloitte & Touche. She is studying in the US to get her MBA. Beautiful green eyes and a warm heart. I can say any gringo would feel blessed...as I do.

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Lionheart says on Nov 23, 2004, 23:00:

ugh so degrading to read in all threads how you think about women

a womans heart and passion is not shown by a pic

to me you are all way under any any acceptance to be considered men, teenagers at the best, competing for the prize

Colombianas in general are seeking for a man to love forever, not to be used and tossed, as other threads suggest.

This whole repeated topic is disgusting to me .. are we humans or not? If not .. stick to donkeys ...

I am trying to talk serious to a Caliena .. she reads your crap ... I have to defend myself ... I am not the general as**ole posting here.

Please be considerate to the few serious men here.

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Rikito says on Nov 24, 2004, 14:24:

I heard a woman tell me once (or twice) that there are three secrets to a woman pleasing a man. She has to be a good housekeeper, a good cook, and a whore in bed. The way I see it, one out of three anin't bad. If it were baseball she would make $20 million a year with a no cut clause.

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treeshark2 says on Nov 24, 2004, 15:19:

more links link from Jamie's site http://www.latinlovescams.com/

also from that link was this one http://agencyscams.com/

2nd is about russian scams and tricks agencies use

never used Jamie's site, but I did take a look at the pictures. Look like normal average Colombian chicas to me. and I did not know a single one. Treeshark is real good at meeting the bad chicas. and have seen two of the chicas on his banned page.

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JamieJ says on Nov 24, 2004, 16:58:

Desi “I'd just hate to be "edited" while comfortably sleeping in my bed.”

No surprise you don’t edit your own writings, otherwise you would have restrained yourself to an honest discourse instead of making a false, unsubstantiated accusation. A lady would have retracted her errant remark, yet you comfortably sleep on the pillow of a name caller.

“Anyway, I don't feel that strongly about the issue that I'd get involved in a lengthy debate.”

But you felt strong enough to read a lengthy web page on the subject and comment, and to voice your objection on every thread I have seen regarding this topic. And now you tell us you have no strong feelings on this topic. How strange.

Jamie
Engage The Exotic - Colombian Women

Jamie

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Lauthra says on Nov 24, 2004, 17:10:

Anyways If Desi was indeed right, that you made up that email, I don't believe you would openly admit and be ridiculed by everyone. Besides, stop trying to wind her up, what's the use?
On the other hand, that so called debate wasn't really one cos 'Amy', didn't have any chance to respond to your repetitive answers.

Nato

Nato (='.'=)

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Atrevido (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 24, 2004, 18:18:

Lionheart says on Nov 24, 2004, 21:16:

free advertising As much as s/he charges s/he should be paying BIG bucks to Peter.

Blech ... just post all the other girl r sites you know of, plus www.Amigos.com where you have a $99 yearly membership.

I do not like the advantage he is getting. He is discussing business, not feelings.

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DiegoDelNorte says on Nov 25, 2004, 07:49:

Why use a marriage agency at all? I don't have any moral objection to the marriage agency thing --hey, as long as everybody knows the score, knock yourselves out -- but I do wonder why a guy wouldn't just go spend some time in Colombia if he's looking for a Colombian wife.

Amigos.Com -- This I understand. You can find lots of people for little or no money. I've met a lot of girls through that site. But that's a dating site, not a marriage agency.

Also, it isn't like there's some kind of shortage of women. Just get on a plane and go!

Is it the language thing for some guys? If so, my personal opinion is that your money would be better invested in Spanish lessons so you'll be able to actually have a conversation with your new wife when you finally meet her rather than paying somebody to translate your love letters to some face on a website.

I don't know... guess I'm rambling, but it just seems that if you're not willing to make a little investment of time and money in actually going to the place where your lovely new bride is going to be from, learning her language and culture, etc., you're probably operating from some kind of fantasy about what you're getting into.

I'm sure there are marriage agency success stories. I just don't see how they do anything for you that you couldn't easily do for yourself if you would stop fantasizing, get off your lazy ass, and go to Colombia.

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Nov 25, 2004, 11:22:

diego you're absolutely right. "Instant" relationships are just about as insipid as instant coffee. You get what you "pay" for, and if you don't put in the time and the effort and expect that with money you can somehow find a shortcut to a meaningful relationship you've been deceived. This world is full of bad matches.
Cheers,
Desi

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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ShazCas says on Nov 25, 2004, 12:13:

Women Try to avoid the women with beards who pick their nose and eat it, fart loudly and then light it or who want to put a gimp mask on you and roger you with a cucumber.

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utopiacowboy says on Nov 25, 2004, 12:24:

I agree with you Diego. A lot of guys seem to think Colombia is like going to Wal-Mart except instead of getting some junk for the house, they're going to get a wife. Heck, I am sure if they could they would order them out of a catalog and not even bother to go to Colombia if they could get them shipped to the US. The problem with most guys is they don't have the cajones to go to Colombia, to learn Spanish, to actually take a chance and go do something with an element of risk. I think if you don't have what it takes you don't deserve to have a Colombiana.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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DiegoDelNorte says on Nov 25, 2004, 21:20:

One for the record books Desi says: "you're absolutely right."

Guess we don't disagree on EVERYTHING! :)

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isaactraveler says on Nov 25, 2004, 22:20:

I Agree with Shazcaz avoid being rogered by cucumbers

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Nov 26, 2004, 09:13:

one for the record books sorry, Diego, I didn't mean to agree with you :) You just said something I've been saying for the longest time....
Cheers,
Desi

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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JamieJ says on Nov 27, 2004, 17:26:

Nato "If Desi was indeed right, that you made up that email, I don't believe you would openly admit and be ridiculed by everyone."

Nato if I did make up that email wouldn’t of it been better for me not to say anything and let your assumption of my deceit drift away instead of openly challenging it? No one would have remembered and I could continue to fool the public (all except for you and Desi) with my phony exchanges.
You say "if" Desi’s accusation was right you would not believe that I would admit to this. That is a fair assumption in general because most criminals don’t admit to their crimes. But is that how you want to judge individuals by where the majority would fall in? If not then tell me specifically what indications I gave you that tells you my character would be of one not to tell the truth?
Now I ask you to assume that Desi was not right, do you think she would admit that she made a mistake and should not be making accusations without proof? Or do you believe that it is up to the accuser to say what they want without being able to substantiate what they say? Wouldn’t it of been fair instead of talking about general similarities in the writing that she lay out the text and show us the comparisons that she was making for her conclusions to demonstrate her point? Can I assume that any accusations you would make that were shown to be inaccurate would be corrected with an apology?

"Besides, stop trying to wind her up, what's the use?"

Lets understand your logic.
I don’t say anything to Desi but Desi tells some one else that I am "pretending".
I tell Desi this is not true and invite Desi to debate the topic she is referring too.
Desi response is no and I respond back.

So that is:
one post from her to another directly speaking of me.
one post from me.
one post from her to me
one post from me
And based from this exchange in your eyes I am the one who is winding Desi. I can only assume from this belief that if someone wrote, for example, that you were a phony and that this was not true you would not say anything because you wouldn’t want to "wind" up the accuser correct? You would let the inaccuracy about you stand correct? Because there would be no "use" to telling others the truth correct?

"...debate wasn't really one cos 'Amy', didn't have any chance to respond to your repetitive answers."

Nato, Amy did respond to my email. Right below my response to her first letter there is a link in large black font that is underlined and says, “Amy’s Response”. Did you not see this? While Amy did respond she did not answer most of my questions but she did apologize for her personal attack which is much more than what Desi is showing herself capable of. You can now show us what you are capable of.

Now I will write to your friend Atrevido below.
Jamie
Engage The Exotic - Colombian Women

Jamie

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Lauthra says on Nov 27, 2004, 18:20:

Long winded reply to Jamie Everyone is free to say what they want. People in America cite 'freedom of speech' etc, but that doesn't necessarily mean that because you can say something, that you should (or at least be a bit more concise).

On the internet people generally feel 'safe' saying what they want. In the case of your hate mail, it's not totally unbelievable that it's genuine, it's just more likely to be not be. While I agree with you saying that you should be free to defend yourself, it doesn't follow that the very act of you defending yourself somehow proves your innocence. Online I find the more people rush to their own defence with long sidetracking posts, the more likely they are to be pulling the old 'I'm responding, I MUST be genuine!'.

You have to bear in mind we know you'll undoubtedly have had this discussion many many times bvefore in your line of business, so I ask myself - why do you do this? (referring to the defence thing) - those who want your services aren't going to be put off by a bunch of men and women who don't like it, and I'm sure you are immune to any 'personal' attacks people might make regarding your line of business.

Basically, and unfortunately, there are those amongst us who believe love should not be a business. You make it your business, and will naturally try to legitimise it. So while you wonder how Desi can sleep at night on the pillow of a liar, we are all wondering how you can sleep at night working in a glorified slave trade.

Anyway, back to the point!

Did you make up that letter, who can know for sure (except yourself). It makes for pretty unlikely reading - the debate is someone making overly strong and wild accusations about you, and you being the voice of reason. If it's genuine, I would say, of all the mails you have received on the subject, you've clearly picked the ones that are easiest to ridicule and 'prove wrong'.

And yes, I know you've offered to print your and Desi's discussion on the subject should she wish to make it private, but I don't see the point. You will never convince Desi (and many others) that what you do is a genuine, valuable and meaningful service, and clearly she will never make you see the error of your ways. For things like this, it's a choice: keep them on here and just let everyone else wade in, assuming people can be bothered to reply, or take it to private emails where it will degenerate into name calling again, until one side simply gets bored or so offended they don't reply.
At least on here you get addition bonus information about women with adam's apples and gimp masks.

Ah.... now I understand why your reply was so long - it's very easy to get carried away with the old verbal 'runs' (putting it politely)!

OK, I'd hate to get into the habit of longwinded replies going nowhere, so this will be my last. I'll carry on reading it, I won't do the internet equivalant of running off and hiding, but it's just quite easy to refrain from continuing a dead topic.

As an afterthought - are you married and if so, how did you meet your partner? Just curious...

Nato
www.theburrow.co.uk

Nato (='.'=)

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JamieJ says on Nov 27, 2004, 18:23:

Atrevido "hustles his commercial interest on every site he can get his hands on that has anything remotely to do with Colombia like Planet-Love and the defunct caligringo"

Please give me specific examples of how I hustle my site on these forums? I sign off with a business signature but this is very typical in forums of all types. I belong to the Latin Women list and Gringo.com along with other forums that have nothing to do with Colombia or women. Search the archives of them all and show me how I hustle my site. Unless someone is asking me a specific question about my business or I am relating experiences derived from my business I don’t use these forums for bring up my busines. If that was the case Plant-Love which is a moderated forum I have been on for over two years along with the others would have done something about this. But they have not and I have a respected reputation on these sites based on my input and the input of customers that have used my services. I can refer you to the many links if you like and you in return can show me examples of links to threads that support you claim? As for Caligringo the owner of this site invited me to join his forum based on seeing my writings on Plane-Love. I have this email from him which I can post if you so like? Were you one of the many moderators of the Caligringo forum?
I do not believe any of the forums I post to allow for shameless promotion, which means I would have been warned or removed from such sites. I provide a different perspective as an owner of a Latin Marriage Agency that others like to hear. You don’t see many other agency owners openly discussing their field of experience. I suspect for one they prefer not to deal with inept critics like you. But handling your bewildering attack void of accuracy is not a difficult task for me.

"He runs a very very expensive marriage agency in Barranquilla with outragious rates for a business operating in the Colombian economy."

The primary economy I do business with is the American economy not the Colombian economy. My customers are Americans not Colombians. If someone was making a hammock in Colombia for export to the United States they don’t determine that the pricing should not be $150 because few Colombians can afford this price. They determine what the market value is for the hammock in the States not Colombia. Is this not correct? My prices allow me to pay my employees more than the Colombian market wage. Are you going to complain about this also that they are making more than most wage earners in the Colombian economy? Or is your interest strictly with what I make? I have a degree in Economics please tell me why you are right and I am wrong?

As for being "expensive" that is a relative term is it not? If you do not make very much money I may seem expensive. If you only judge the service on pricing and not quality and results it may seem expensive. Doesn’t the Market ultimately determine the prices I can charge? Doesn’t the customer have an option not to buy from a business they believe is too expensive? Why does it get you so mad about the prices I charge for services you do not need? Why don’t you use this as an opportunity to start your own like business and charge much less money if as you say I am "hustling" money? Should I base my pricing on what you think I should charge? If I charge too little and go out of business because I can not afford to cover my expenses or charge too much that I get no business is this not my call? Why is this such a big issue for you? There are many such services to choose from I do not have a monopoly so why do you care? Let me see I have an MBA degree; I have been a Financial Controller for both an aerospace and a semiconductor company; I have owned my own Graphic Design business for 8 years, yet you are the expert on what prices I should charge and what is expensive and what is not?

"He engages people like Desi on these forums"

As I told your collaborative friend Nato above, Desi engaged me. You have some hidden bias against me that makes you overlook the truth. Why don’t you be open and tell us what that is?

"with poorly worded diatribes..."

I am always open for improvements please give me some examples of my poor English writing skills. Do it in a format such as this so I can learn from my mistakes:

Atrevido poor English punctuation:
"a very very expensive"

The correct punctuation:
a very, very expensive

Atrevido’s poor English spelling
"authenticty" "outragious"

The correct spelling:
authenticity, outrageous

You are a very small man Atrevido I don’t claim to be a role model for good writing. I can rarely re-read anything I have written that I don’t find grammatical errors with. But for you to criticize my words with your own blatant imperfections tells me you are surely a sorry, immature fellow. You have the angst without the creativity how pitiful of you to demonstrate your hate and envy.

"...in order to feign some non-commercial authenticty."

Since you know my record so well please give us specific examples of my commercial endeavors that are void of anything else but commercialism as you so state ("hustles his commercial interest on every site") this should not be hard to do correct?

"...classycolombianladies.com. How's that for a commercial plug Jamie?"

Atrevido this is not a commercial plug it is a recommendation (I guess I could have used this as one of the example of the "poorly worded" English you abhor). Please tell us all the reasons you recommend this agency? I know you like to throw out critical inaccuracies without substantiation, but you could at least provide some substantive positive reasons for your referral so interested parties may befit from your knowledge this should not be hard to do correct?

I will be very surprised if you answer my questions I can tell it is not your style to be held accountable for what you say. I have engaged you before haven’t I; you are not capable of defending your position or being honest. If I recall what you do best is quiver and make threats.
Jamie
Engage The Exotic - Colombian Women

Jamie

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roberto845 says on Nov 27, 2004, 18:34:

Keep it light. Wow! Some of you are taking all this way too serious!!

roberto845

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caslug says on Nov 27, 2004, 19:16:

uh..Jamie... you can never win a debat in cyperspace... throwing down the gauntlet to challange someone to debate in cyperspace makes you look like your losing it. Just do what the rest of us do when we run into poster that we don't agree with.. ignore and move on to another subject. Because no matter who well thought out your talking points are you will NEVER convince the other side to change their opinions, because that's all it is opinions. And like a$$hole, everyone has one. So don't let it get to you. Posters on this board is a reflection of the world at large, some are very conversative some are very liberal and the majority are moderates. No matter what you say, you won't convince the liberals/conservatives to change their view that they have ingrain.

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JamieJ says on Nov 27, 2004, 20:42:

Nato "Everyone is free to say what they want. People in America cite 'freedom of speech' etc, but that doesn't necessarily mean that because you can say something, that you should (or at least be a bit more concise)."

Well please tell me by quoting me what I should not of said what infringement of free speech did I make? As for "concise" I responded to every one of your points yet your lengthy reply failed to answers most of my questions. Is this a fair way to derive an understanding on where we agree and where we disagree by avoiding most of the 10 questions I asked of you to better understand your position?

"On the internet people generally feel 'safe' saying what they want. In the case of your hate mail, it's not totally unbelievable that it's genuine, it's just more likely to be not be."

But you do not provide any reason for this conclusion please do so?

"While I agree with you saying that you should be free to defend yourself, it doesn't follow that the very act of you defending yourself somehow proves your innocence."

I never said this. I said wouldn’t it have been better for a guilty person not to have said anything. You are the one that said the fact that I defended myself meant nothing because I would not tell the truth. I asked you to explain your assumption that I was in the wrong and why you think I lacked the character to be honest, which you still have not done?

"Online I find the more people rush to their own defence with long sidetracking posts, the more likely they are to be pulling the old 'I'm responding, I MUST be genuine!'."

What is "sidetracking" about my post? Please quote the sidetracking response from me? I responded specifically to every point that was made by you and Desi.

"You have to bear in mind we know you'll undoubtedly have had this discussion many many times bvefore in your line of business, so I ask myself - why do you do this?"

I do this so I can demonstrate to others the emotional mindset, confused logic and the lack of facts that is used to derive the opinions from people such as you that believe this is a "slave trade." Which means you must think all men who participate in what you define as a "slave trade" must be slave owners correct? And what would you call their wives, slaves? There can be no other answer based on what you have said.

"referring to the defence thing) - those who want your services aren't going to be put off by a bunch of men and women who don't like it, and I'm sure you are immune to any 'personal' attacks people might make regarding your line of business."

Correct, call it a public service.

"Basically, and unfortunately, there are those amongst us who believe love should not be a business. You make it your business, and will naturally try to legitimise it. So while you wonder how Desi can sleep at night on the pillow of a liar, we are all wondering how you can sleep at night working in a glorified slave trade."

I never said nor do I do anything that says love is a business. Please define the specific task that is performed that would make you believe this of me?

"Did you make up that letter, who can know for sure (except yourself)."

That has not been determined.

"It makes for pretty unlikely reading - the debate is someone making overly strong and wild accusations about you, and you being the voice of reason. If it's genuine, I would say, of all the mails you have received on the subject, you've clearly picked the ones that are easiest to ridicule and 'prove wrong'."

Are the "accusations" any more "wild" than your definition that this is a "glorified slave trade"? I am however glad that you see one of my points I make that the people who hold such an opinion throw "wild accusations", lack "reason", and are easily proved "wrong."

"And yes, I know you've offered to print your and Desi's discussion on the subject should she wish to make it private, but I don't see the point. You will never convince Desi (and many others) that what you do is a genuine, valuable and meaningful service, and clearly she will never make you see the error of your ways."

I offer the same opportunity to you. Show us how you can put forth a good argument that what I do is wrong by fairly debating the topic with facts and truth. Which mean clarifying and answering all questions put forth. The exhibiting of contrary views can allow others to better exam their beliefs. The idea is not to convince the extremist, but those that have not made a decision on the matter and to help other better defend what they do if they so choose. In many cases ones prior views may alter some degree. I know my opinions have changed based on new facts. However if one takes a position of not acknowledging their mistakes like you did when you said my response of Amy’s email was not a "debate" because she never responded when I provided evidence that she did respond. Than you are right such people will never be convinced. I ended my first response to you with "You can now show us what you are capable of." It appears saying something that is clearly wrong from a factual point of view is not deserving of a retraction no matter how small it is. I can see why you defend Desi who does the same.

"For things like this, it's a choice"

I have made the point on my website that most people who believe the way you do would not make it a choice they would prevent this activity. You said this was a "glorified slave trade", how can you agree to make such an act a "choice" if you believe this? I would never agree that something I believe to be a slave trade should be allowed to continue. But you do please explain?

"Ah.... now I understand why your reply was so long - it's very easy to get carried away with the old verbal 'runs' (putting it politely)!"

Understood.

"As an afterthought - are you married and if so, how did you meet your partner? Just curious..."

I am married to a Colombian who I met in Colombia 3 years ago she is the primary model on my website. And I must now go she does not like me playing on the computer.
Jamie
Engage The Exotic - Colombian Women

Jamie

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JamieJ says on Nov 27, 2004, 20:52:

Lionheart "just post all the other girl sites you know of, plus www.Amigos.com..."

Amigo is not a direct competitor I believe their primary business is email correspondence mine is personal introductions. Why don’t you provide the "girl sites" list? You say you have been doing this for 4 years. Tell us all the money and time you have saved by doing it your way for the last 4 years?

"I do not like the advantage he is getting."

Explain what advantages I have that is not available to everyone else?

“"e is discussing business, not feelings."
You mean sort of like your feelings as noted on another post of yours that all "US Americans can only think black or white. They have no clue about grey zones." This is the type of negative feelings we should be sharing?

Lionheart if you don’t like my post don’t read them.
Jamie
Engage The Exotic - Colombian Women

Jamie

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JamieJ says on Nov 27, 2004, 21:02:

Caslug I have to practice my penmanship :)

The point is not necessarily to convince the guy I am debating I explain this above. However elections would not be won or loss by Republicans and Democrats if someone wasn’t changing their mind.

I actually have many Liberal views. However if you can’t hold people accountable for what they say than the forums are nothing but factless trash talk. I do have to run otherwise I would explain further.
Good night
Jamie
Engage The Exotic - Colombian Women

Jamie

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calipro says on Nov 28, 2004, 04:53:

Jamie

You are a liar.

Because if you weren't a lair,Desi would be anything other than a great catch. And all the men on this board married to or living with a fairly unattractive, bitchy woman would be fools.

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Atrevido (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 28, 2004, 05:02:

Hunter says on Nov 28, 2004, 05:57:

One thing that people should note: After being on many chat boards for 6 years now, the ones who like to stir things up, tend to have differant handles on differant boards and mutli handles on one board, but you can work out who they are after a short while.

There is a certain person on this board who has/had differant handles on this and other boards, although that person does provide some valuable information, they also like to cause problems, for whatever reason.

So I know who I believe in JamieJ case.

Hunter

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Lauthra says on Nov 28, 2004, 08:36:

This is just plain silly now! Pointing out someones grammatical mistakes its a sure sign they know they've lost the debate.
I must agree with Caslug, so I'm not interested in this anymore, moving on! It's absolutely futile.
Nato

Nato (='.'=)

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utopiacowboy says on Nov 28, 2004, 12:28:

Geez, where's Elmo when you need him? I'm ready to hear some donkey stories.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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cazzy says on Nov 28, 2004, 12:28:

WHAT HAPPENED TO THE SUBJECT??????? DO these women who belong to these Introduction Service Firms rely exclusively on this way to meet men. These businesses would have a motive to keep these women contained so as to keep their shelves full.
Also , if these womes meet a man on the street ,it would seem to me they have a money motive already formed .

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elmodefoque says on Nov 28, 2004, 12:49:

hey utopia, happy freaking thanksgiving, i wish i could seat here and chat but this freakin guayabo is killling me, my head is about to explode and everytime i hit the toilet to throw up i shit and piss on myself too. i hope to feel better for work tomorrow.

I'll get there, when I get there!

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calipro says on Nov 28, 2004, 15:59:

cazzy I have refused to answer your posts in depth because....well.... they really are a little off base. So I'll answer your question with some questions.

Would you rely exclusively on an introduction service to meet someone? What about family and friends? What about the people you meet on a daily basis through work or social engagements?

Wouldn't agencys get a lot of new female clients after a wedding? Couldn't marriage agencies make money on arranging a wedding? Wouldn't it be good for business?

How could a marriage agency "contain" anybody"? Aren't people that meet, free to carry on any relationship that they choose?

How do you know if a woman you meet on the street wants your money?

hehehe!!!

This quote below:

"Also , if these womes meet a man on the street ,it would seem to me they have a money motive already formed"

Suggests that you need more help than this board can offer and to tell you the truth I don't think you should go to a marriage agency just yet.

Go to therapy for a couple of months and when you come back to the board we'll see how you are doing.

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isaactraveler says on Nov 28, 2004, 17:37:

Hey Jamiej I agree with the people that say quit while you are ahead. I can see by your posting that you really like to duke it out on chat boards, but as Caslug said, someone will undoubtly take up the challenge and perpetuate this dead horse. Since in reality you have more to lose than gain by fighting the masses, I would just stick to posting informational stuff.

You do know quite a bit, and even though I did not meet my future wife through a service, (met her on Matchlatino) I had considered using a service briefly. Focus on the details. I do not have anything against what you do, as said above the people are always free to marry or NOT.

I also do not object to your signature link, since any information is helpful at the beginning.

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JamieJ says on Nov 29, 2004, 19:51:

Cazzy Calipro is right that this forum is not going to be able help you with the extent of assistance that you appear to need, which is why your request for help was met mostly with humor. I can’t provide any quick, comprehensive answers for you. While women are different than men they are not strange creatures. Approach this not as just a search for a wife but a search for a best friend. You have good friends, well how did you go about feeling comfortable that they should be your friends? You want the same ingredients in your wife with the added necessity of mutual attraction. If the woman gives you clear signs that she enjoys your company, is that not a clue that she likes you? If she is outwardly affectionate towards you in private and public is this not a sign that she likes you? Does she like spending time with you even doing monotonous things together; is this not a sign that she likes you? If she reminds you how often you are in her thoughts, is this not a sign that she likes you. One of the most difficult things in the world is faking who you really are. It is not possible to lie and trick your way into someones heart without leaving breadcrumbs of clues. Believe me there are many more bad men than women in this world and if you can make good male friends you should not have any problems making good women friends and finding a wife that will be your best friend. I am not able to give you any specific recommendations but I suggest going to the book store and buying at least one book that will give you an understanding of how women are different than men (not a pick up book and I am not talking physical here :) and a book on what makes for a healthy relationship (and I am not talking medical). Read and understand there are no quick secret answers from the guys. A lot of this will take hands on experience to polish. You are not alone, many men do not understand women and have uncertainties about how to meet them and know them. I have met many intelligent, skilled, successful men who I respect that are puzzled with or empty of female companionship. If you have difficulties with this endeavor simply work on it. Do you have a sister that can help you? Do you have a female friend that can help you? What has your history been with females as friends will tell you a lot of where you now stand in terms of being able to control who will enter your life without any fear of harm or hurt. I do not know how old you are but you sound young, if so don’t rush. The more women you are involved with the better husband you will become for the one you will stick with. Never compromise the qualities that are important to you and at the same time build the qualities that will always make you in demand. What you give is what you will get.
Jamie
Engage The Exotic - Colombian Women

Jamie

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JamieJ says on Nov 29, 2004, 20:40:

Atrevido and Nato Atrevido
"You feel threatened? Too bad."

From a little mouse like you who hides under different names. I never said I felt threaten only that you have used censoring threats in the past trying to suppress my challenges to your vapid thoughts. I enjoy exposing your lack of honesty and logic.

"I call it like I see it"
That’s the problem you lack intellectual vision. You have demonstrated an inability in basic reading comprehension and you expect others to listen to how you see things, funny. Anyway as I predicted you refused to hold yourself accountable so continue with your hit and run act and I will continue to point it out.

Nato:
"Pointing out someones grammatical mistakes its a sure sign they know they've lost the debate."

And pointing out something that didn’t happen is a sure sign of a lost mind. Nowhere in my response to you does it mention anything about any English or grammatical mistakes. If so please quote the passage? It was your cohort Atrevido that pointed out to me that my writings were poorly worded. My point back to him was that this was very hypocritical to judge my English with all the writing mistakes he had. I am not sure between you and Atrevido which one is the biggest clown. You both have reading comprehension difficulties. Even with the two of you working as a team your brain cells are clamoring for more company.

"...absolutely futile."

Yes and I explained how your lack of a proper response would make the process futile you can’t debate someone not capable of debating so maybe next time you should just say nothing.

Jamie
Engage The Exotic - Colombian Women

Jamie

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JamieJ says on Nov 29, 2004, 20:45:

Stuff Calipro
I agree with most of your views but I think you need to work on your sarcasm technique.

Hunter
What I don’t understand is how people stay on the sidelines when they see something that is not right. It is hard for me not to intervene when I see a wrong directed at me or at others. Yet most won’t do anything. When I get in heated debates I often get private emails from viewer agreeing with my view yet for some reason they are hesitant to publicly show their position. This I do not understand. Is it because they are afraid to have others see what they really think, or they don’t want to be included in the line of fire, or is it a preference for political and phony correctness to keep everything light and inoffensive, or a bias or apathy at play, I don’t know. What I do know is the Nazis would never have come to power if it were not for "good" people standing by ideally. When you let lies and poor reasoning go uncheck it only festers and creates a shallow voicing of dominant, incorrect beliefs not a learning exchange that allows one to change and grow. If I have a belief and you convince me that my opinion was wrong you have just made me a better and stronger person. You would think people would want this. Instead it appears most feel weaken by their submission that you were right and they were wrong which makes any productive exchange rare. Since most people will not accept self responsibility I guess it not unexpected that most people won’t hold others accountable. In a forum environment it is up to many to be objective moderators to keep the conversations civil and logical. Yet few will intervene to do so and even fewer will ever admit that they made a mistake regardless of how blatant it may be.


Final Comment
I will end this by saying I think Desi is really Nato due to the fallacies of logic that they share and Atrevido is really Desi pretending not to be Nato but the insecure, feminist screeching gives him away. Which mean all 3 represent the entangled thoughts of confused children extending their unsupervised playground of name calling and sand throwing while proudly unable to wipe the runny nose of shame from their face. And of course Calipro is still Calipro.
Jamie
Engage The Exotic - Colombian Women

Jamie

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calipro says on Nov 30, 2004, 00:57:

Jamie "If I have a belief and you convince me that my opinion was wrong you have just made me a better and stronger person."

The truth is not beneficial to everybody. It can be down right painful for some and very difficult to swallow.

If you were referring to Desi in the quote above, you are barking up the wrong tree. There isn’t snow balls chance in hell you will ever change her mind. One can only assume that a change in her narrow view of the world would cause her undue stress and besides she is entitled to her opinion anyway.

We should all thank our lucky stars that she isn’t making up third party horror stories to make her points. The only thing you can do is point out fallacies in their arguments and get them to show everybody else on the board just how incredibly bias and negative their views are concerning certain subjects (mainly marriage agencies).

If you are looking for help on changing the minds of the nay sayers, you can count me out as well. It’s called banging your head against a brick wall.

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Lionheart says on Nov 30, 2004, 01:22:

Jamie Quit wasting our time

With all the posts contradicting your writings you should learn that it is time to shut up.

In a friendly forum like this I would never run a commercial link as my footer ... it shows disrespect ... yes, I do show my radio station as link sometimes ... but it is non-profit and within context.

Jamie, just give up, you lost, at least show you are a man good at loosing. That I can respect.

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Skippy says on Nov 30, 2004, 07:01:

Warning signs After reading some of the comments I am starting to see the warning signs. My girlfriend asked me to lend (give) her some money to send to her mother on the coast. Yikes !!!!!! I better get the hell out of this relationship before something else happens.

Yup

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Lauthra says on Nov 30, 2004, 09:09:

LOL Jamie LOL You make it so easy to take the piss out of you, I just can't do it, there would be no effort in doing so. Man, I got better 'insults' in primary school! I seriously can't stop laughing I wish there was some picture of you around so I could at least point at you while doing so.
Your defense it's rather amusing.
Cheers for making yourself the joke :D

Nato
ROFL

Nato (='.'=)

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JamieJ says on Nov 30, 2004, 13:03:

Calipro You are correct. There will be those that get it and those that will never get it. In a sense the Nato, Lionheart, Don Negro and Atrevido’s are like the Homer Simmons of the world they think they are the one getting the last laugh yet they are too ignorant to realize the laugh is on them. I thought Desi might have been different but it appears not. I also agree opinions are hard to change but when you have people holding on to inaccurate facts, avoiding accountability for what they say and lacking the capability to read and comprehend it really makes for a futile effort. Its clowns like them that have brought about the dumbing down of America.
Jamie
Engage The Exotic - Colombian Women

Jamie

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isaactraveler says on Nov 30, 2004, 14:23:

DOH!

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Lauthra says on Nov 30, 2004, 18:01:

Blah I'm 100% COLOMBIANA!
Oh how I pity you.
Nato

Nato (='.'=)

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Lauthra says on Nov 30, 2004, 18:07:

Jamie! Of course! Who else?
Nato

Nato (='.'=)

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Lauthra says on Nov 30, 2004, 19:17:

Don Negro Hola, soy de Cali, pero vivo en Bogota hace 4 años.
Sobre el loser ese, es muy comico como deja que uno se la monte, y sabe que uno se la va ha montar! Vos sos 100% Colombiano?
Nato

Nato (='.'=)

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Tinto (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Nov 30, 2004, 20:02:

I think Cazzy should win a prize for being the first person to come up with a topic that received 100 responses. ;-)

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dwmte says on Dec 1, 2004, 15:28:

MORE THAN A HUNDRED........ but unfortunately, only about twenty were on subject, tinto...pit