Tayrona still over run with Israelis?

gorgonabob says on May 22, 2008, 11:41:

most israelies travel in colombia between april and october.. if you are in tayrona outside those dates there will be few around...

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freddy says on May 22, 2008, 11:43:

Going there in about a week.....

happines is a perfect wave

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jonas says on May 22, 2008, 11:55:

I agree with gorgonabob, they have their seasons. I personally love going to Tayrona on a Monday of a puente weekend. While walking into the park in the afternoon the masses are leaving the park. When you get to the Cabo you will most likely find the least number of people there. The Israelis tend to leave the park before the puentes to party in Taganga and usually cure their hangovers for a few more days before flooding back into the park again. My favorite to spend the puente before heading into the park is to spend the weekend in Minca where even on a puente you will see very few tourists.

Simon Presidente!

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adrienne79 says on May 22, 2008, 12:05:

We were there less than a month ago and there were many Isralies in both places but there were also a bunch of foriegners in general. If you only want to hang out with Colombians I would suggest a different city such as San Gil.

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gatogris says on May 22, 2008, 12:06:

What's wrong with a horde of crass, bellicose, belligerant soldiers on leave, convinced at a tribal level of their innate superiority, hectoring and brow-beating the local impoverished street vendors over fractions of a cent, xenophobic and clannish in their approach to outsiders, who have learned the lessons of marginalization so well throughout history that all foreigners can be considered alien and trust is based on an imagined ethnicity, cramming their overbearing presence down the throat of anyone in a hundred square mile vicinity?

If you ask me, you out to feel thankful to be allowed in the same room as an Israeli, let alone partake of the same experiences as one of the Elect. Get down on your knees and beseech to be allowed to enter into the august presence of a Member Of the Tribe.

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jonas says on May 22, 2008, 12:18:

Well now here we have a good reason to be happy about the ever stronger Peso.

Simon Presidente!

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slguy says on May 22, 2008, 12:22:

"What's wrong with a horde of crass, bellicose, belligerant soldiers on leave, convinced at a tribal level of their innate superiority, hectoring and brow-beating the local impoverished street vendors over fractions of a cent, xenophobic and clannish in their approach to outsiders, who have learned the lessons of marginalization so well throughout history that all foreigners can be considered alien and trust is based on an imagined ethnicity, cramming their overbearing presence down the throat of anyone in a hundred square mile vicinity?"

jajjaja - why don't you tell us what you really think? ;)

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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Ekdog says on May 22, 2008, 13:49:

"What's wrong with a horde of crass, bellicose, belligerant [sic] soldiers on leave, convinced at a tribal level of their innate superiority, hectoring and brow-beating the local impoverished street vendors over fractions of a cent, xenophobic and clannish in their approach to outsiders, who have learned the lessons of marginalization so well throughout history that all foreigners can be considered alien and trust is based on an imagined ethnicity, cramming their overbearing presence down the throat of anyone in a hundred square mile vicinity?"

Shame on you for stereotyping Americans in such a way!

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SiV says on May 22, 2008, 13:58:

Usually I'd be complaining about xenophobia, but as it's Israelis we're talking about . . . .

Stultórum númere infinitum est.

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nueva york bombero says on May 22, 2008, 13:59:

You know what is funny? No one has fired back defending Israelis!!! On this site someone defends any group....but not them! They're tough people.
I don't think I'd enjoy Tyrona like the first time if it were full of Israelis......

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rocinante says on May 22, 2008, 14:21:

They don't need help from someone on this forum; they have Uncle Sam backing them to the hilt. Of course the ever stupid stray comment may arise.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

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Alma del Norte says on May 22, 2008, 14:48:

ostensiblyverypoorbutnotparticularlyhappy.com

La vida es una rutina

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Beachbros says on May 22, 2008, 16:24:

I timed my travels in a way i haven`t seen any Israelis for almost a year. Argentina for the winter when its cold, Brazil when they are in patagonia for the summer and then venezuela where no american slash "Uncle sam backed" people go. They are in season or out.

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papiChulo says on May 22, 2008, 18:30:

shared a house with an isrealito in MDE. he was a really cool guy and good SOH but I guess any of us in a group of our own kind can be obnoxious at times.

maybe gringoloid will take some pics on the weekend party at Bill's... have a few for me

I'm not greedy I just want a lot.

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robi666 says on May 22, 2008, 18:33:

What's wrong with Israelis? At least they are more into drugs and they are not slimy sex tourists and ridiculous Brad Pitt wannabes like most of the Americans and Euros around here...

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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papiChulo says on May 22, 2008, 18:42:

LOL... robi

yep they sure keep those cigarillos venders happy... ;)

I'm not greedy I just want a lot.

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guacharaca says on May 22, 2008, 18:54:

No, they have their sex tourists too. The difference is that they are not so fat that they have to pay for it. I see a lot of Colombian women with Israelis in SM at night. I do see Israelis women here too so some are bringing their gf with them.

If I were in their shoes, it would be nice to visit a country where one does not have to worry about bumping into nationals of the countries that neighbor Isreal.

Colombianos: Las armas os han dado independencia, las leyes os daran libertad. (Santander)

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bickerss says on May 22, 2008, 23:58:

If you have ever stayed in a hostel where there are group of them I dare say you will have had a bad experience. I have never seen such a collective bunch of cheap Tacanos (why try and bargain down 5000 pesos another 50 pesos when it i already CHEAP) - the most noisy and disrespectful lot of %^&* I have ever seen - no respect whatsoever for other humans beings.

Avoid like the plague hostels where they may gather- thank god in p Lleres beers are more than 1200 pesos!!!!

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jonas says on May 23, 2008, 01:15:

I agree with all the above. But I have to say, as always, there are exceptions: the ones that don´t travel in a group of a dozen or more but alone or a couple are the ones that I have met as nice people, telling me best how bad the other ones, traveling in groups are.

Simon Presidente!

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el flaco says on May 23, 2008, 06:16:

I'm surprised that the moderators allow this thread.

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gatogris says on May 23, 2008, 06:32:

Do you think it smacks of anti-Semitism? You're probably right. However, it is kind of interesting in that it presents the classic paradox of discussions about Israeli national identity. Because citizenship to Israel can be granted based on an ethnic claim, characterizations about the 'nature' of Israelis can immediately be linked to lurking prejudices against Jews, especially when stereotypes about Israelis play into ancient and vicious bromides about Jews, such as miserliness (see the $2 a night anecdote above).

Therefore, while it is entirely acceptable (and encouraged) to rail against Americans pubicly in the new global discourse, it is suspect to launch generalized attacks on Israelis, because it may reflect racial/ethnic prejudice rather than merely national distaste. We should thank the Israeli nation-state for presenting us with this interesting thought experiment.

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kalder says on May 23, 2008, 07:52:

"What's wrong with a horde of crass, bellicose, belligerant soldiers on leave, convinced at a tribal level of their innate superiority, hectoring and brow-beating the local impoverished street vendors over fractions of a cent, xenophobic and clannish in their approach to outsiders, who have learned the lessons of marginalization so well throughout history that all foreigners can be considered alien and trust is based on an imagined ethnicity, cramming their overbearing presence down the throat of anyone in a hundred square mile vicinity?"

Agree with it or not. That's probably the best slam I've ever read on here.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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bufalo says on May 23, 2008, 08:52:

Actually the US is a bit of a "melting pot" as well.

1. what is an american really? (natives are almost all killed off)
2. America is a hemisphere (for the most part), not a country.

Must admit, I've had the same experience as above

"If you don't like it - lump it, take it down the road and dump it." - Archie Bunker played by Carroll O'Connor

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cali373 says on May 23, 2008, 10:31:

I have always had a good time with israelis, they just go to have a good time. who cares if they are jewish or fomr israel.

Smile if you are a thinker!

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Cheers Terry says on May 23, 2008, 15:04:

"What's wrong with a horde of crass, bellicose, belligerant soldiers on leave, convinced at a tribal level of their innate superiority, hectoring and brow-beating the local impoverished street vendors over fractions of a cent, xenophobic and clannish in their approach to outsiders, who have learned the lessons of marginalization so well throughout history that all foreigners can be considered alien and trust is based on an imagined ethnicity, cramming their overbearing presence down the throat of anyone in a hundred square mile vicinity?"

===============

Bullseye.

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robi666 says on May 23, 2008, 15:07:

"I have always had a good time with israelis, they just go to have a good time. who cares if they are jewish or fomr israel."

Cali, they are not fat bald american, they have no tiny ponytails and they can get laid for free... that's the problem!!!!!

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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bickerss says on May 23, 2008, 15:40:

jajaj robbi - I doubt it - girls expect here a guy to at least pay for a beer!!

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Robert Jorge says on May 23, 2008, 17:18:

Perhaps I am alone; but did anybody else who read this thread cringe from the open stereotyping and out and out rascism? When somebody that can articulate excellent English puts down and hates a certain group of people .... he is no better than the typical Klansman in Indiana in 1922.

BEWARE of gold diggers.

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Cheers Terry says on May 23, 2008, 22:51:

Dear Robert,

Don't confuse anti-Semitism with anti-Israeli army brats.

The first is racism. The second is having no patience with a bunch of fresh-out-of-the-army punks who travel in packs and act like immature obnoxious twits.

Two entirely separate issues.

Cheers,
Terry

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billyb says on May 23, 2008, 23:09:

i really can't comment on the factuality of their obnoxiouness, or any of their other supposed faults as i have not had any contact with them, but i am inclined to give them a little leeway, when they can finally get away and relax a bit. After all they are under 24 hour a day stress defending their country (whether you back israel or not), you have to admit that they are surrounded by enemies that outnumber them by at least a 100 to 1 and blowing off a little steam in colombia, far away from their enemies is not the worst thing in the world.

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bickerss says on May 24, 2008, 01:48:

jajaj TT - exactly!!!!!

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slguy says on May 24, 2008, 07:00:

i once saw a very amusing confrontation between a hotelier and a group of young israelis.

when they were settling their bill, they predictably complained that the 20% discount the hotel offered was inadequate. the hotel manager was called. he listened to his desk clerk, then listened to these sniveling little tightwads.

he hit a few keys on the computer, then printed out the new bill - a bill reflecting 0 discount. and with a gracious smile on his face, asked if they preferred paying the bill, or discussing it further with the police?

they shut up and paid. i knew that day that we'd hired a good manager...;)

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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gatogris says on May 24, 2008, 08:33:

Israel is a still small light of freedom, a valiant underdog surrounded by slavering carrion-eaters. Remember Ben-Gurion, the lion of Judea, a reborn David of the Maccabees! Stouthearted Sharon, routing the cowardly Egyptians on Yom Kippur! The one-eyed Moshe Dayan, stalwart and haughty, a noble bull elephant scattering the cowardly hyeneas of Egypt, Jordan and Syria on the Golan Heights. Think of the lightning raid on Entebbe! Israel is a brotherhood of bravery and will never be bowed. Nor will it permit Zionist conspiracy theorists to drag its name through the mud.

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kalder says on May 24, 2008, 08:42:

Israeli terrorists bombed British soldiers in the King David Hotel. Who liberated Belsen you bastards?

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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gatogris says on May 24, 2008, 09:05:

Every fight for freedom includes a few regrettable instances. Hey, you know, mistakes were made.

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kalder says on May 24, 2008, 11:08:

And Begin got the Nobel Peace Prize...

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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gatogris says on May 24, 2008, 15:07:

And the Butcher of Beirut became Prime Minister for five years...

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freddy says on May 28, 2008, 10:33:

"Perhaps I am alone; but did anybody else who read this thread cringe from the open stereotyping and out and out rascism? When somebody that can articulate excellent English puts down and hates a certain group of people .... he is no better than the typical Klansman in Indiana in 1922."

-Robert Jorge

"Don't confuse anti-Semitism with anti-Israeli army brats.

The first is racism. The second is having no patience with a bunch of fresh-out-of-the-army punks who travel in packs and act like immature obnoxious twits."

-Cheers Terry

Thanks for clearing that up Terry...

OK, so where else might one go? Looking to camp with the girlfriend so we´ll want to rent a tent. Maybe we´d head to Casagrande? What other spots are there along the coast after the park?

Many thanks.

happines is a perfect wave

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robi666 says on May 28, 2008, 11:14:

Freddy,
Casagrande is very nice. it is possible to rent bungalows on the beach.
There is also another camping place there (cannot remember the name).
Mendihuaca resort is also really nice and not expensive at all (if I remember well around 150k COP all included).
Or you could go to Cabana de Buritaca.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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freddy says on May 29, 2008, 07:02:

Thanks Robi,

How much are the bungalows in Casagrande? We are on a low budget. More like looking to rent a tent kind of budget... Is Cinto cheap? How much is a plate of food in one of these places.

Thanks so much for you help.

freddy

happines is a perfect wave

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robi666 says on May 29, 2008, 07:07:

Can't help on prices there. But you can put a tent in Casagrande.
I believe you cannot camp in Cinto. You have to hire a boat to get to Cinto and bring your food. You can also rent an house there.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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