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Mononoke28 says on Jul 22, 2008, 09:46:

That's the stupidest question I've heard this week. Why??? No need. There is someone really bored working at El Heraldo, that's for sure.

Diana

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turnmeon says on Jul 22, 2008, 16:03:

yeah i can answer that since im costeno, people from la costa doesnt feel colombian, they feel caribean, and there are plans and proyects to if not independizar la costa from colombia atleast become autonoma from the rest of the country, off course people from the interior dont know that, or the news dont want talk about it, but there are meeting every month of all of the majors and people from the local goverment, check the results 60% say yeah to that survey, and from what i heard they say la costa will be independent in about 4 years, colombia is a centralized country, very regionalistic and im pretty sure we the costenos will atleast become an "autonomic state" soon, the goverment already knows about it, they are opposing to it, i can give you guys links to websites that talk about it, and articles in all of the newspapers from la costa are talking about it, my email is luisf0116 at hotmail.com, put Independence on the tittle so i dont delete it as spaming.

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robi666 says on Jul 22, 2008, 16:15:

Independencia de la Costa en el 2010.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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robi666 says on Jul 22, 2008, 16:21:

Himno de Barranquilla (Barranquillas Anthem)

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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Mononoke28 says on Jul 23, 2008, 08:40:

It'll never happen.

Diana

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turnmeon says on Jul 23, 2008, 09:01:

it is already happening what are you talking about? the survey is going 65% yes they want independence 35% no they dont, and it is still open for people vote

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turnmeon says on Jul 23, 2008, 09:05:

it is easy to say from the US no it will never happen, but come to la costa and say the same thing here, there is alot of stuff going on right now, the people is fed at the goverment, you need to read El Heraldo more often to see how people is feeling towards this matter right now

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ColombianoGringo says on Jul 23, 2008, 10:18:

Like a government run by a bunch of Costeños would be any better. As an example, Cartagena has long suffered from one of the most corrupt and ineffective local governments in the whole country.

Also, I wouldn't put much credence in a decidedly unscientific survey with a total of 1,143 responses. i don't doubt that there are those that would like to see independence, but it would be a long and difficult road to achieve it. What benefits would be expected by doing such a thing?

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turnmeon says on Jul 23, 2008, 11:45:

go to la costa and ask the people these same questions, 1.143, dont forget the survey started only few hours ago, and usually no more than 400 peopel answer to the heraldo surveys, and there is no more corruption than in bogota, the corruption capital of the world, to answer your questions just google it on the internet, im gonna post some URLs where you guys can find re information

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ColombianoGringo says on Jul 23, 2008, 11:48:

Regardless, the last thing Colombia needs at this point is more internal strife.

Also, you didn't answer my question. What do they expect to gain by this?

Sometimes a segment of the population will get excited about these types of autonomy movements without thinking through the ramifications.

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turnmeon says on Jul 23, 2008, 12:50:

Here are some of the websites that are talking about the independence of la costa caribe, including interviews if local goverment officials and blogs of people in common, plus some blogs and newspapers from la costa

La República Independiente del Caribe
http://valledupar.com/tuscomentarios/index.php?topic=6330.0;wap2

Costa Caribe, región constitucional.
http://ricardobuitragoc.blogspot.com/2008/02/costa-caribe-regin-consti...

Costeños le apuestan a la autonomía regional en elecciones de octubre
http://www.el-informador.com/detgen.php?id=14705

Republica Independiente del Caribe
http://www.el-informador.com/foro/viewtopic.php?t=3636&postdays=0&post...

hagamos una nuevo pais "LA REPUBLICA INDEPENDIENTE DEL CARIBE"
http://www.tubarranquilla.com/leer_tema.php?tema=581a95028c89796d89965...

Apoyo a: Republica Independiente del Caribe
http://nl.facebook.com/group.php?gid=6738440757

"La Republica de la Costa".. Viva Los Costeños ! ! !
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=8141745722

CREACION DE LA REPUBLICA AUTONOMA DEL CARIBE
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=6542988447

Según Proexport: El Caribe Colombiano, “no es zona turística�
http://ricardobuitragoc.blogspot.com/2007/11/segn-proexport-el-caribe-...

ENTREVISTA DEL ALCALDE DE SANTO TOMAS CON EL PROGRAMA DE TELEVISION LA NOCHE DE RCN SOBRE LA PROPUESTA DE AUTONOMIA DE LA REGION CARIBE
http://santotomas-atlantico.gov.co/sitio.shtml?apc=I----&x=2051394

Hacia un mandato popular por la autonomía de la costa
http://liberalcolombiano.blogspot.com/2008/02/hacia-un-mandato-popular...

REGIÓN CARIBE, ADELANTE
http://www.opinioncaribe.com/?ac=articulos&id=153

i think these are enough websites to prove there is certainly something going on here, im tired of copying and pasting lol

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romy says on Jul 23, 2008, 13:01:

hahahah what are these guys thinking? what are they going to achieve if left alone with their paracos, mulas, cocaine and weed? talk about social order...

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billyb says on Jul 23, 2008, 13:08:

The problem is that Elmo accounted for 600 of the calls for those voting for separation.

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turnmeon says on Jul 23, 2008, 13:17:

romy th paracos, mulas cocaine and weed is not a problem originated in the costa and it main focus are not in the costa either, we dont grow weed or coca in the costa, we dont have mulas in the costa and the paracos are a problem originated in antioquia and bogota, not la costa

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turnmeon says on Jul 23, 2008, 13:18:

and you can only vote once, if you vote twice your vote will be invalidated, the keep track of your IP

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billyb says on Jul 23, 2008, 13:20:

Turnmeon, go up la sierra nevada and then tell us that they don't grow coca or weed in la costa.

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turnmeon says on Jul 23, 2008, 13:30:

guerrilleros cachacos trying to grow coca en la sierra, for what i know they are all gone now, or atleast almost gone, the guerrillas and the paras are a problem of the cachacos and they are trying to import it here, we dont want that here

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romy says on Jul 23, 2008, 13:42:

on this forum you can ask robi about his experience having to pay a vacuna...

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Mononoke28 says on Jul 23, 2008, 13:49:

Again... it'll never happen.

Diana

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elmodefoque says on Jul 23, 2008, 13:55:

You forgot the most important one
(PCCLVC) PARTIDO COSTENO CONTRA LA VIOLENCIA CACHACA

And YES, it is possible to vote more than once, hide your IP by using a proxy

Let me tell ya all a little story.
A month ago I was in curramba drinking beer outside a tienda in the corner with lawyers, judges and an ex Barranquilla Mayor in el barrio Boston discussing this particular topic and hookers too.
The funny chit, the most ardent die hard separist for a new costeno nation is one of the judges, born in Medellin.
I says," nojoda marica you have a cachaco accent what's up with that?
He says that he came to Barranquilla 25 years ago and never had any desire to return to medallo and of course I asked why?
And he says "huevon, you think that as a judge in Colombia I could seat out here drinking beer with no protection and not have a single worry in the world? This could only be done in Barranquilla, esta vaina es muy tranquilo.

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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Monpirri says on Jul 23, 2008, 14:04:

I'll be damn worry if that happens, imagine rolos and paisas who love everything from other Spanish speaking countries but their own stuff.
What would be left of colombia when the historical proud costeños seek their independence?

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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elmodefoque says on Jul 23, 2008, 14:07:

forgot to mention, NOT A COP OR SOLDIER IN SIGHT

la tienda is accross the street from this place

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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romy says on Jul 23, 2008, 14:23:

paramilitaries can create a sense of security... just don't mess with them because they have no problem in taking you out, just like many other innocents.

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turnmeon says on Jul 23, 2008, 14:34:

Mr elmodefoque was discusing this topic as well as most of costenos have been doing it this year, and if the costenos want their independence they will have it, you should instead of saying thi or that against us, make the peace with us, respect our culture, gives equality on the transferences, stop the regionalism, stop the centralism, stop trying to take all the bussiness from la costa to the interior, respect our people, stop sending desmovilizados antioquenos, stop the racism, and then you could say "it will never happen"

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romy says on Jul 23, 2008, 14:39:

you don't understand we brought you civilization... read cien años de soledad

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elmodefoque says on Jul 23, 2008, 14:42:

one of many clubs in north curramba where events are organized to raise funds for political parties seeking a seperate nation

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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ColombianoGringo says on Jul 23, 2008, 14:49:

Baile mamita baile!


MR. elmodefoque, Muy buena la morenita.

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turnmeon says on Jul 23, 2008, 14:54:

the civilization came tru barranquilla and then it expanded to the rest of the country, we brought the civilization to the cachacos.

1823: Inicio de la navegación a vapor por el río Magdalena.
1849: Primer puerto de Colombia, Sabanilla.[
1871: Primera línea férrea de Colombia (Barranquilla – Sabanilla)
1882: Primer servicio telefónico.
1885: Se funda la primera empresa privada de servicio telefónico en Colombia, la Compañía Colombo-Antillana de Teléfonos por el ciudadano norteamericano William Ladd.
1912: Primer vuelo de avión en Colombia. Lo llevó a cabo el piloto canadiense George Schmitt en diciembre de 1912.
1918: Pilotos alemanes, franceses y norteamericanos inician la aviación comercial en Colombia con vuelos sobre la ciudad los días domingos y feriados, contratados por la industria y el comercio para arrojar muestras de productos, hojas y folletos de propaganda. La aviación comercial contratada por la industria y el comercio terminó a mediados de los años 40 con la masificación de la radio y la prensa.
1919: El 18 de junio se inaugura el correo aéreo en el país, entre Barranquilla y Puerto Colombia. El piloto norteamericano William Knox Martin, en compañía del industrial Mario Santo Domingo, en el avión monomotor El Bolívar despegó a las 5 p.m. en el parque 11 de noviembre con dirección a la población citada. Al llegar el avión a la plaza de Puerto Colombia bajó hasta casi tocar el suelo, y el señor Santo Domingo entregó a Arturo de Castro un saco de correo con 164 cartas y una emisión de 50 estampillas de sobretasa de 2 centavos emitida en 1917.
1919: Se crea la primera aerolínea comercial exitosa del continente americano y segunda del mundo, SCADTA (Sociedad Colombo-Alemana de Transportes Aéreos), actual Avianca. (10 de diciembre).
1925: Primeros vuelos internacionales.
1926: Primeras Empresas Públicas Municipales de Colombia.
1929: Primera emisora comercial de radio privada de Colombia Elías Pellet Buitrago da inicio a la radio comercial en Colombia con la primera emisión de La Voz de Barranquilla el 8 de diciembre.
1935: Primer estadio olímpico (Estadio Municipal, hoy Romelio Martínez).
1936: Primer puerto marítimo y fluvial del país (Apertura de Bocas de Ceniza).
1964: Primera Zona Franca de Colombia.

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elmodefoque says on Jul 23, 2008, 14:55:

CG, nojodaaa esta buenisimaaaa la malapria esa que cuerpaso tiene la hp

la veo encuera en mi habitacion y seguro que me da un fokin infarto

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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elmodefoque says on Jul 23, 2008, 15:01:

on the video above go pass "patacon pisao" forward to one minute and WATCH this chick take off
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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ColombianoGringo says on Jul 23, 2008, 15:01:

Como lista todo eso que hicieron extranjeros cuando el familiar mio Camilo Daza fue el primer aviador COLOMBIANO?

A duras penas pudo listar diez cosas que no hicieron Gringos o Europeos.

Ah, verdad que no se considera Colombiano. Allá usted.

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turnmeon says on Jul 23, 2008, 15:01:

Mr mdefoque that was a good joke, but this is not being done by any separatist party, and the fund arent being raised tru clubs, good sense of humor, but this is being done by the local goverment and local people, such as the 8 governors of the 8 caribean deparments, also the majors from most of the cities, not including chaar who is a g friend with Uribe, but this is something serious already happening. or why would the newspapers from la costa being talking about this?

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elmodefoque says on Jul 23, 2008, 15:03:

NEVERMIND ALL THAT CHIT,
CHECK OUT THE CHICK IN WHITE FROM THE VIDEO ABOVE.
FORWAR TO THE FIRST MINUTE!!

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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turnmeon says on Jul 23, 2008, 15:09:

the descendents from those europeans are the current barranquilleros, they still living here, my family came tru puerto colombia

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lanegrapaisa says on Jul 23, 2008, 15:10:

Maybe they're just trying to be more like us "paisas".

Some years ago they made a map of Colombia for tourists and they "forgot" to put Antioquia as a tourist attraction.

Most of us got a little bit upset and decided we wanted independence.

It didn't go anywhere but we sure had fun trying.

http://www.geocities.com/antioquiaf/index.html

Hasta el santo Papa tira peos!

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elmodefoque says on Jul 23, 2008, 15:12:

my great great great great grandaddy, field marshall wolfgang hamburger came from germany
my other great great great grandaddy was a wyuu WAR injun chief.
chief crazy cat

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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turnmeon says on Jul 23, 2008, 15:17:

lo de os antioquenos es pendejadas, lo de nosotros es una necesidad

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turnmeon says on Jul 23, 2008, 15:20:

ya hasta tenemos nombre :/ Republica Independiente del Caribe

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elmodefoque says on Jul 23, 2008, 15:26:

esto es la que pasa en curramba
estamos pasando un momento de crimanilidad no comun o desconocida por aca y esa mierda viene del afuera.
estos manes del interior se estan cagando esta monda y nos vemos obligao a tratar de controrar esta vaina.
barranquilleros son amantes de la tranquilidad y no le gusta esa vaina de pelea y mantanza y toa esa mierda
el unico modo es teniendo nuestro gobierno y leyes.

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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turnmeon says on Jul 23, 2008, 15:35:

si ven elmodefoque entiende lo que esta pasando, el es barranquillero y el ya ha dicho que a tocado el tema ademas hasta los prefesores de las escuelas de la costa les ensenan a sus estudiantes lo que esta pasando en la costa, no es una pendejada, si el gobierno no les presta atencion a sus hijos costenos estos haran su independencia realidad

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robi666 says on Jul 23, 2008, 16:23:

Romy, I never had to pay vacuna... I don't know where you got this info from.
But if I had, the groups of the Sierra Nevada have their origin in the Andes. Los Paisas rule now and they are evidently not from El Caribe. Los Nevados, again from the interior.

I must agree with turnmeon... the violence of Colombia comes from the interior, not from the coast.
As you can see from the first video posted by the truthspeaker, people from the interior invented all kind of maldades to spread them all over Colombia.
Burundanga is almost unheard of in Cartagena, Barranquilla, Santa Marta, Rioacha, Valledupar, Monteria, Sinceleyo. Ask to the millions of cachacos living there...
But, you go after Planeta Rica and begin to drive up to those mountains and... well, you can feel it. Not another nation... another planet.

I think that it is something to do with the climate and the women. Who would live in Bogota without being constantly amargado?

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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romy says on Jul 23, 2008, 17:18:

you know how it works, is what I meant... you know of the presence

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turnmeon says on Jul 23, 2008, 17:22:

romy see you are giving us the reason, you know the people who are behind all those problems are cachacos, you just accept it

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Mononoke28 says on Jul 24, 2008, 11:53:

elmodefoque says on Jul 23, 2008, 14:55:
CG, nojodaaa esta buenisimaaaa la malapria esa que cuerpaso tiene la hp

Tan bueno que es uno estar con alguien que le llame HP. Tan romáaaantico.

Diana

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ColombianoGringo says on Jul 24, 2008, 12:02:

Pero lo dice con cariño. Ja Ja.

De cualquier manera, prefiero que me digan HP a que hagan como los Paisas que le dicen "marica" a todo el mundo. He visto hasta chicas de muy alta sociedad en Medellin decirse "marica" entre ellas mismas. Me hace mear de la risa.

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Mononoke28 says on Jul 24, 2008, 13:18:

Uy no CG, yo lo ví mucho en Bogotá y todas me decían que es "normal". Y pues como yo me crié acá en USA eso me sonaba ho-rri-ble. ¡Que cosa tan fea home!

Diana

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turnmeon says on Jul 24, 2008, 14:05:

en USA la gente dice fokin(todos sabemos que no se escribe asi) todo el tiempo, es mas lo dicen una vez po cada cuatro palabras

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ColombianoGringo says on Jul 24, 2008, 14:13:

Ahora defendiendo a cachacos. Quien lo entiende.

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lanegrapaisa says on Jul 24, 2008, 14:51:

lest we forget about the all time clasics "guevon" ,"gueva" and "malparido" (I'm so classy) which are also used on a daily basis among friends.

Hasta el santo Papa tira peos!

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turnmeon says on Jul 24, 2008, 16:00:

no yo no estoy defendiendo a ningun cachaco, yo solo comente acerca de mi experiencia propia

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romy says on Jul 24, 2008, 17:45:

claro marika

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