Sr. Tertius... where are you now?

Aaron21 says on Mar 14, 2008, 19:08:

Show thyself you scurrilous dog.

Simon says on Mar 14, 2008, 19:42:

I hope he wasn't 'camping' in northern Ecuador a couple of weeks ago.

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

poco says on Mar 14, 2008, 19:50:

Quote: I hope he wasn't 'camping' in northern Ecuador a couple of weeks ago.
edited, need practice on cut and paste.

His final post was February 28th so I'm sure he will be back when the Cynthia McKinney for president delegates have their final vote.

"Violence is the first refuge of the incompetent" - Isaac Asimov

usher127 says on Mar 14, 2008, 20:09:

I'm starting to think the US is secretly paying Chavez to run solialism into the ground.

Let's face it, just because Chavez is acting like a complete twat, doesn't undermine the argument that the US is paranoid about ANYTHING socialist. It just so happens... this time they got lucky, Chavez has self-destructed long before they needed to remove him.

And nor should Chavez ruin the name of socialism... anymore more than papa Bush should democracy.

And more importantly... even though Chavez is talking a lot of shit... it doesnt justify all the talk that some gringos have previously said/believed... aka miniskirt... etc... etc...

poco says on Mar 14, 2008, 20:32:

Quote: it doesnt justify all the talk that some gringos have previously said/believed.

Things like what?


Probably something along the lines of possessing a psychotic paranoid delusional persona and can lie with sincerity?

"Violence is the first refuge of the incompetent" - Isaac Asimov

Aaron21 says on Mar 14, 2008, 21:18:

"I'm starting to think the US is secretly paying Chavez to run solialism into the ground." -Usher

Being paranoid is a cornerstone of many extremist beliefs. Carry on, socialist.........?

usher127 says on Mar 14, 2008, 21:40:

'possessing a psychotic paranoid delusional persona and can lie with sincerity'

Is that Bush or Chavez? Presumably both.

poco says on Mar 14, 2008, 21:44:

Quote: Is that Bush or Chavez? Presumably both.

This will be hard to beat.


Kind of an embarrassment isn't it ?

"Violence is the first refuge of the incompetent" - Isaac Asimov

Aaron21 says on Mar 14, 2008, 21:47:

That's your boy Terdius.......... come out, come out wherever you are... His time draws nigh... : )

usher127 says on Mar 14, 2008, 22:08:

Interesting... at what time did Chavez change his tune? That was in 1998.

What about this... the american interviewer seems to fall in love with Chavez after about 20 seconds.

Aaron21 says on Mar 14, 2008, 22:13:

This demonstrates his hypocrisy, his delusions of grandeur, and exactly why 'socialism' never works. All 'socialist' leaders have become totalitarian dictators who are only interested in their own self-preservation and enrichment. The louder these fools get the faster is their demise - and he is roaring ...

poco says on Mar 14, 2008, 23:00:

Quote: What about this... the american interviewer seems to fall in love with Chavez after about 20 seconds.

I'd seen the video before but watched it again and I didn't see Barbara Walters showing any sign of falling in love. It was typical, nothing unusual.

The questions are to the point. I wouldn't expect another answer,, especially based on the first video.

Several Venezuelans I worked with in 2001 were worried about their property. One was from Britain married to a Venezuelan. Nationalizing properties is a sure way to maintain poverty.

"Violence is the first refuge of the incompetent" - Isaac Asimov

billyb says on Mar 14, 2008, 23:16:

Come on now. Even though I seldom, actually never, agreed with Sr. T., he was (IS) always articulate, intelligent and thought provoking in his posts, and although he was always wrong, jeje, he did express the leftist (I know, he will reject that label, as most leftists do) point of view better than anybody else here.

billyb says on Mar 14, 2008, 23:34:

Usher, is that the best you can do?

poco says on Mar 14, 2008, 23:52:

Quote: he was (IS) always articulate, intelligent and thought provoking in his posts,

That he was. Had the impression he was quite skilled and would make a thought provoking teacher.

"Violence is the first refuge of the incompetent" - Isaac Asimov

billyb says on Mar 14, 2008, 23:58:

I think he is (was) a thought provoking teacher.

SiV says on Mar 15, 2008, 01:21:

Agree or disagree, the man is certainly no fool.

I'm not surprised about his absence. Sometimes you get bored of banging your head against the right-wing wall on this site. Even more so when people are abusive and uninformed.

Stultórum númere infinitum est.

Desideria (Moderator) says on Mar 15, 2008, 01:37:

Besides, if I remeber right, he was always saying how much work he had, how busy he was. Perhaps he's taking a break from us; hope he comes back because we need his outspoken, fresh and well-formulated contributions here; together with juance they provide much needed deeper analysis and insight to Colombian politics.

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

podborski says on Mar 15, 2008, 05:12:

one of the reasons I dislike him so much (besides being pompous) is that he is intelligent, which in my opinion makes his support for socialists/communists/anarchists inexcusable.

I can forgive the many naiive souls who blindly follow the leftist path, but those who have actually thought about or studied it and still believe are, in my opinion, willing supporters of the most immoral and evil regimes in history.

kalder says on Mar 15, 2008, 05:53:

La trahison des clercs.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

robi666 says on Mar 15, 2008, 06:05:

I am with Desi on this. Totally.
You have to admit when someone knows more than you on something and talking with him makes you grow.
After an interaction with him, you can or not agree, but at least, you have the instruments for thinking about it.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

aztec says on Mar 15, 2008, 09:20:

Agree with you podborski. It baffles me how an intelligent and well read person could continue supporting and espousing ideas from a philosophy that has been proven time and time again a failed concept!

usher127 says on Mar 15, 2008, 09:55:

'Usher, is that the best you can do?'

Well, what exactly is the argument??

I've made 2 arguments... and you chose to ignore both of them...

1. It's inappropriate that so many americans are shocked by a president that ''possesses a psychotic paranoid delusional persona and can lie with sincerity'... when they should look closer to home. In this respect, I can't distinguish Chavez from Bush.

2. Yes, Chavez has self-destructed. Though, he still hasn't banned mini-skirts and it remians to be seen how he will continue or not as president. Nor do the failures of Chavez mean that 'socialism' is necessarily evil and that all latin american countries should abolish the idea of free health care or equal opportunities to education. So, why is this thread trying to sound like some kind of victory march?

usher127 says on Mar 15, 2008, 10:05:

So, who is going to win the next US election? I've been watching a lot of American Idol... shit, I mean... American Politician... err you know, that show with the black guy verses the white lady... who will win?

Oh sorry, I guess most of you are supporting the ex-nam guy.. you know... with the 'psychotic paranoid delusional persona' cuz he can PROTECT AMERICA from the evil countries of the world.

Anyway, how will it affect Colombia?

Aaron21 says on Mar 15, 2008, 10:07:

To clarify, in case anyone has a misconception of this post, I do not believe Tertius is the fool here (the "scurrilous dog" comment was tongue-in-cheek). He is extremely articulate and argues very well; thus, I requested his enlightenment... : ) ... I do however believe Chavez to be a megalomaniac and his supporters are fools for following him. Now, where art thou, Sr. ?

Alma del Norte says on Mar 15, 2008, 10:30:

"Agree with you podborski. It baffles me how an intelligent and well read person could continue supporting and espousing ideas from a philosophy that has been proven time and time again a failed concept!"

Your philosphy is working then is it? Despite hijacking Democracy, despite all the power, all the cards? Socialism is more relevant than ever, but unfortunately whilst the majority bathe in the blissful ignorance imposed by The Establishment, whilst you are given just enough comfort to allow you to languish in contentment, the leftist vision is given over to the mad and the incompetent.

La vida es una rutina

aztec says on Mar 15, 2008, 11:01:

Marxism is dead. It just refuses to go away. Any place in the world it has been tried has left the place in shambles!

Desideria (Moderator) says on Mar 15, 2008, 14:22:

Marxism is not the same as socialism. At least not the same as social democracy. I don't see any shambles around me here and the social democrats are gaining on right wing once more.

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

buggy says on Mar 15, 2008, 15:28:

I suppose Sr Tertius is disgusted by the insults which constitute the language of some PBHers.

“Ojos y oídos para Norteamérica / para su propio pueblo, sordo y ciego" Pablo Neruda

Desideria (Moderator) says on Mar 15, 2008, 15:34:

Nah, buggy/cassini (you'll have to choose one), Tertius can take a little heat.

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

robi666 says on Mar 15, 2008, 15:37:

"you'll have to choose one"... details are leaking already... :)

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

Desideria (Moderator) says on Mar 15, 2008, 15:43:

Not a state secret...there can't be two of them.

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

RAAAY says on Mar 15, 2008, 17:05:

What about Robi and all his alises....???........Medo......Spartan.....Baltazaar.......Tejas.....Ken.....

Dump him off......or relegate him to the Bolovia section permanently.......




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.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

Desideria (Moderator) says on Mar 15, 2008, 17:12:

What are you drinking, RAAAAAAAAY?

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

CatGirl says on Mar 15, 2008, 18:14:

Usher: I came in late on this thread. Thanks for the clip...I don't think she fell for him, it is just Barbara's style, we also have no idea what it took and what arrangements were made before that interview.
(Guess he wanted her coffee since she drank it and was still alive and breathing? jaja)

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

Desideria (Moderator) says on Mar 15, 2008, 18:32:

I'm watching the clip now....yes, Barbara was charmed by this man, up to a point. I must confess that until I heard him talk (at the Rio Group in Santo Domingo) I had a much more negative impression of him. He's smarter than I thought and a much better speaker than what I imagined.

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

Aaron21 says on Mar 15, 2008, 18:50:

You are correct Desi. However, David Koresh, Adolf Hitler, Charles Manson, Al Sharpton, Vladimir Lenin, Josef Stalin, Fidel Castro, Billy Graham, Jerry Falwell, Osama Bin Laden, Kim Jong-il, Attila the Hun and countless other dangerous extremists were/are intelligent and outstanding orators. That is precisely why they were/are able to bamboozle their stooges and grow in power. Venezuela is going to be quite a mess in a few months.....

CatGirl says on Mar 15, 2008, 18:55:

He certainly likes to spew "names" or negative "terms" that are similar to the EMOTIVE presentations of past fanatics for sure....donkey, devil....very creative, jaaja. Only terms used to create negative emotive responses.

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

Alma del Norte says on Mar 15, 2008, 18:55:

Did you ever catch him chatting in english with John Pilger in "The War On Democracy"?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to6uNUTf8g4

La vida es una rutina

CatGirl says on Mar 15, 2008, 19:13:

So, has he made a difference.? He looked comfortable in his environment and offerring his own coffee, true. But....has he helped his people? Saddam and other dictators had a similar platform (but much more extreme of course).

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

Alma del Norte says on Mar 15, 2008, 19:16:

CG watch the whole thing. Judge for yourself.

La vida es una rutina

CatGirl says on Mar 15, 2008, 20:24:

ADN- I did...didn't really look like he has ....but it is a flick - it's media. We all know what media is about ;). I think you find the truth when you are in the trenches. I am not in Venz.

But I do Psych screening, jaja. So that's all I can say for now ::)

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

Alma del Norte says on Mar 15, 2008, 20:42:

Yeah CatGirl, you're probably right. And if the CIA get their way, he won't either. If you believe the individual testaments and reportage of extended healthcare, then he has helped many of the poorest. I've been in Venezuela a couple of times and I can't say I like it. I've never stayed in the poorest areas and asked the question - I will next time.

La vida es una rutina

jorgegdiaz says on Mar 16, 2008, 07:02:

.. i hope he wasn´t camping in northen Ecuador...
and I hope his Don Ramon-avatar didn´t mean he was Mexican...lol

shoosssh.... Mexican and camping in Ecuador !!

I hope not.

Man with hole in pocket feel cocky all day.

jorgegdiaz says on Mar 16, 2008, 07:02:

.. i hope he wasn´t camping in northen Ecuador...
and I hope his Don Ramon-avatar didn´t mean he was Mexican...lol

shoosssh.... Mexican and camping in Ecuador !!

I hope not.

Man with hole in pocket feel cocky all day.

kalder says on Mar 17, 2008, 10:18:

I despise the Washington Consensus and regard rapacious, unregulated capitalism as criminally inhumane.

But the horrible fact remains that Marxism is far, far worse. A lunatic secular religion that has brought nothing but slavery and death to the world.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

kalder says on Mar 17, 2008, 10:19:

But it should be pointed out, that people will vote for mountebanks like Chavez when issues of social justice aren't being properly addressed. If I lived in a hillside slum and lived off rice and beans, I'd vote for Robespierre.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

Aaron21 says on Mar 17, 2008, 11:46:

You would vote for him even if you could not make it to the polls - probably twice...

Mr. Hollywood says on Mar 17, 2008, 15:27:

I'm sure Sr. Tertius is doing just fine.

Though I've often disagreed with him he's always a class act and an intelligent debater.

Robert Jorge says on Mar 18, 2008, 01:15:

I often disagree with Sr. T also - and sometimes agree. Almost always, I can appreciate his point of view and opinion. He is definitely thought provoking. He is the type of guy I would like to have a few beers with at a local pub, and share a few hours of conversation. I might learn something. He might also. Anyway, I have never understood why some guys here, many of whom I consider buddies, get so bent out of shape over his writings.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

aztec says on Mar 18, 2008, 06:16:

Are we sure he wasn't bombed on the border in Equador. He could have been an "observer".

Mr. Hollywood says on Mar 18, 2008, 10:58:

Tertius has never been a FARC supporter. If he got "bombed" on the Ecuador border it would be from drinking too many Aguilas while waiting for a bus.