sometimes its better to shut up and pay

Mr. Hollywood says on Jul 19, 2005, 11:26:

Yikes Glad you didn't choose to die over a buck.

I had a clueless, most likely senile taxi drive waste 45 minutes of my time like that looking for a friggin' Carrefour with the address in his hand. Only when we finally arrived did it occur to me that I should have just hopped out when it was apparent the guy was lost, paid him, and hailed the next cab.

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aces says on Jul 19, 2005, 12:28:

estas loco... He probably wouldn't have pulled out a gun, but a machete... that's more the economical weapon of choice for the working man, and to be honest I think I'd rather be shot.. at least you get to keep most of your parts. You should be happy to have gotten a licensed taxi and not a rogue cab.. or maybe he was and just didn't feel like driving you out to the country, stripping you of everything and leaving you for dead. Really man, 2500 pesos isn't even worth the argument, and you just made yourself an enemy.
My Colombian family is very cautious with their cab rides... a family friend's girlfriend was abducted that way. Always get the plate number from the cab company and verify once the cab pulls up for you.

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bbattiste says on Jul 19, 2005, 13:32:

Better to Pay Come on...were talking 75 cents. We have a lot of money compared to them. In most cases, I would have gladly given him the money...even if it was his fault. When I got married in Colombia in March, the people in Cali gave and gave to my family who has everything they want and then some.

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viewpoint says on Jul 19, 2005, 13:42:

It's always better to swallow your pride than die to defend it. When we are young and stupid we don't know better but after we have had the shit kicked out of us a few times we learn to pick the times and the fights a little better. You should have gave him the card for the resturant when you got in the cab as he would have not had much to argue about then (but I am sure he would). When I first arrived in Medellin in 1999 I took taxis (and the metro) for three months until I bought a car and never had one bad experience.

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platano says on Jul 19, 2005, 13:52:

If you have some idea of what it should cost... You can try this if funds are limited: when you get into the taxi you say: Solo tengo cinco mil pesos. Es suficiente para llevarme al restaurante? (you would have to know that 5,000 has gotten you there before)

The driver is alerted in advance that 5,000 pesos is all he's going to get. I would remind the driver when the meter got close and ask him to stop saying I could walk the last few blocks. Usually they would take me the rest of the way off meter.

Plátano, el banano verde pobre
Oxigeno Verde ¡Libertad por Ingrid y los demás!

plátano

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vladimiro says on Jul 19, 2005, 14:33:

tiene que ser rolo That is very strange to hear of a taxi driver in Medellin; that taxi driver was almost certainly from Bogota.

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santiBOG says on Jul 19, 2005, 14:43:

vladimiro "tiene que ser rolo"...

jaja... are paisas ever going to outgrow their pathetic regionalism???

Glad you're OK gorgonabob.

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platano says on Jul 19, 2005, 14:52:

Su merced, no vamos a pelear regiones... Si el taxista tenia corbata, seguro fue rolo. La manera en que sacó su arma del carro indica que o fue rolo o fue un paisa muy calmado.

Plátano, el banano verde
Oxigeno Verde ¡Libertad por Ingrid y los demás!

plátano

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santiBOG says on Jul 19, 2005, 14:59:

no platanito, creo que el taxista tenia carriel ('boot') e intuyo que una calcomania de atletico nacional en el bumper. Mas paisa no se puede!

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platano says on Jul 19, 2005, 15:12:

SantiBog, creo que "boot" refiere al "car trunk" o maletero... pues, caminó hasta alla y lo abró con llaves. Asi que nada de carriel. Pero si tenia calcomania de atletico VERRRRRRDEEEEEE entonces, pues, ave maria pues, hombre, si fue paisa.

Plátano, cc. 74'223,649

plátano

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Peter Miami says on Jul 19, 2005, 17:50:

I am with gringoinbogota; I would have kicked his ass. A taxi driver tried some shit like that we me. I gave him an address where I was going in which I hade been before. We I got in the cab I told him do you know how to get there he said yes. He starts driving the wrong way, I told him that he was not going the right way he tells me he is. To make a long story short by the time he got me there it was double the usual fare. I gave him 1/2 of the total amount he had on the fare dial. He got of and started coming at me. I ran up to him and got on his face I told him "you want me to kick your ass or you want to call the cops". He knew I wasn't fucking around and left.

Peter Miami

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Mr. Hollywood says on Jul 19, 2005, 17:54:

Stupid way to die Getting in fights with cabbies over less than the price of a beer is a stupid way to die.

Don't ever forget that a number of the cab companies are owned by some very nasty and violent people. You may win the battle only to later lose a war you never even knew you were starting.

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Gomezman5 says on Jul 19, 2005, 18:20:

Ok, now that you have all said the same thing.... Yea the same thing basically, that it is not worth dieing over 45 cents or a buck or even 50 dollars (heaven forbid huh?)

So here is my take. And this is why I love visiting Colombia, and just could not never, ever live there. I mean, I give you guys credits. I am not criticizing you guys. I just don't know how you do it?

In Chicago, these taxis have their numbers platered everywhere, on the cab, in the cab, affixed to the back of the front bench seat, with a photo and name of the driver. If this happened here, you report the cab and taxi driver to the City of Chicago's Dept. of Consumer Services, and with a few days, he has to tell respond with his version. Guess who almost (95%) of the time is believed? You know the answer. I mean why would a passenger lie right? It's the same reason that nobody here is calling gorgonabob here a liar. For a first offense, the taxi gets a reprimand and a fine. Penalties are progressive--suspension and finally reovcation.

My point is, these things almost never happen here. Taxis know of the ramifications of acting like an idiot and therefore they just don't. The penalties act as a strong incentive for these guys to conduct themselves accordingly. I will say this with certainty, the threating of someone's life, whether it be an actual or implied threat, would immediately result in the revocation of his license and an arrest for aggravated assault and Battery.

You see, you guys may think it is funny, or you just might find it acceptable living under these circumstances. I think it is appalling and inherently downright dangerous.

In the end, I am glad the guy paid the extra buck. I just think it is a shame that people have to live their life in such an undiscplined and bordering on barbaric tight rope. Sorry guys.

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rjstuff says on Jul 19, 2005, 18:28:

I dont think it was so bad He didn't try to overcharge you he just took longer to get there cause he didn't know the way and was charging you the metered fare - I won't haggle in that type of case. I would be angry for the time wasted but not knowing the way myself I wouldn't have been able to do any better. I have problems if I go to a place often and get charged two times as much one day than the other on the same route. I lived in India and routinely cabs (3 wheeler kinds) would take various routes, mostly to beat the rush traffic and the difference would never be more than 15 or 20% and I didn't mind that - one of them even gave me a free ride one time when I had forgotten my wallet one day. Like someone else said - don't fight the little stuff (or the medium stuff either - not worth the time and hassle.) Good luck

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Rubiazo says on Jul 19, 2005, 18:34:

Hm,m Here in NYC my friend had a problem like that with a yellow cab driver. He actually called the precinct and they recommended that he pay the amount the driver was asking for ($50 instead of the $25 it should have been) and file a complaint to get the money back, as stiffing the driver woulda been THEFT (!).
So to make a long story short he filed a complaint and they sided with the DRIVER. So much for that theory Gomezman. Is Chicago really that much more organized and orderly than NYC? Somehow I doubt it!

One time I was riding my bike here un upper manhattan (near where Elmo lives but further up in carajoland) and some Dominican taxista in a Lincoln cut me off and nearly killed me. I followed him out of my way for nearly a mile cursing at him and banging on his cab trying to get him to step out so I could kick his ass clear into the next week. Next thing I know he SLAMS the car backwards 30 ft or so in reverse, pops the trunk and makes a beeline for I guess the piece he had in there. Rather than get shot down by the fucking pendejo I took off out of there to the sound of at least 100 people on the block (it was 9pm on a friday summer night) yelling 'CORRA RUBIO CORRA!!!'
I know one of these days I'm gonna run into that piece of shit in a restaurant or on the street (I will always remember his face) and he's gonna have one big Rubiazo between him and his gun and he'll have to pay the piper for real!

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rjstuff says on Jul 19, 2005, 18:40:

Roadrage roadrage but I will buy you a beer any day! I liked the story.

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Rubiazo says on Jul 19, 2005, 18:48:

It's not roadrage. Roadrage is temporary. I still wanna fucking kill that guy to this day!!

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Gomezman5 says on Jul 19, 2005, 18:49:

Rubiazo...Pardon me if I say 2 things to you 1. "My firend" oooohhhh How I many times I have heard the "My friend this", and "my friend that". Not to mention the fact that YOU sir are getting second hand info, as well as biased info. So there is little credibility to what you are saying

2. You are mentioning one incident. I happen to be one of those attorneys who have represented dozens of drivers in the past in both revocation as well as suspension hearings. It's not my "theory",as you put it, it's my knowledge, unless you are calling me a liar....pardon me...a fibber. I have done so many of these hearings in the past, I just quit doing them. The hearing process is so biased against the taxi, that the complainant (passensger) does not even have to show up and if the hearing officer and city attorney ask the right questions, and the taxi can't explain away his conduct....Guilty the man says. Next case.

Now I realize this is Chicago, one of the most conservative Midwestern cities in the US. Those liberals up in NY, with laws of sorts that give consumers more rights than almost any place in the country with the exception of San Francisco, have got to have laws and a way of thinking that is easily as consumer oriented as Chicago.

Now let's assuming your one example of a second hand info episode really is the way it is in NY(which only you could believe that), don't you think ther would be more public outcry? I will check with my friend who works for the Governor here in Illinois, but used to work for Bloomberg (The Mayor)just to make sure you got your depiction of things right.

Rubiazo........tell more me more borscht.

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Rubiazo says on Jul 19, 2005, 19:23:

He's my BEST friend And i got all the details of the story. This particular friend is a very straight shooter.
My point was simply, that ONCE AGAIN all this shit that supposedly happens in Colombia and not up here seems to me to happen up here too!

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calipro says on Jul 19, 2005, 20:45:

So...You never saw the gun? I not sure I would ever waste two seconds arguing about small change in Colombia especailly if he finally got me where I was going.

But I have been asked to get out of a taxi cab in the middle of a trip twice in Cali for badgering the taxi driver about not knowing where the hell he was. Neither one charged me. LOL !!!

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terco panzone says on Jul 20, 2005, 00:09:

Business as usual Of course it wouldn't happen in the US. But in the US a taxi is less likely to get stiffed also. It happens, but I imagine in Colombia if the driver just lets people walk away without paying pretty soon he'll be starving. And he's basicly only got himself to rely on. And another thing is correct also, it's not a good idea to make enemies here without good cause. Life is cheap here and they don't have to get you right then. They can pay someone $50 to take you out if they want, maybe less. Most of you have been in country longer than me, so tell me if I'm wrong. This is just my experiennce with most third world countries. I know Colombians kill other Colombians for little or nothing pretty often, from what I hear. Not to say you didn't get a raw deal, but I think it was more the principle of the thing that pissed you off more than the money. It would have pissed me off to, but I'd let it go.

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quindioman says on Jul 20, 2005, 02:28:

i love taking taxis....never had these things happen to me....mind you the taxi drivers never think i actually live abroad....i'm just another paisa when i open my mouth.

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gorgonabob says on Jul 20, 2005, 10:12:

as i was saying ive taken over 1,000 taxis here and only had three problems... so its not a big deal really... just thought i would share the story. if it happened again.... id still tell the guy i should pay less becuase he screwed me over... if he argues a lot then ill just pay up...

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MacGringo says on Jul 20, 2005, 11:31:

Just like to ask a question here regarding the issue with the taxi fare.
Is it not a recognised thing to tip taxi drivers when in Colombia?

In the UK, you tip the taxi driver, tip in a restaurant, tip the guy that cuts your hair and tip the kid that delivers your news papers in the morning.

You are not obliged to tip these people its just kinda typical people that you tip in the UK.
Where does tipping apply when in Colombia, if at all?

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caslug says on Jul 20, 2005, 11:56:

I think tipping is OPTIONAL.. and i mean REALLY optional, they dont expect to get any. I ONLY tip for decent to good service or to get rid of loose change. One thing i thought was really different was in casinos.

Normal in US casinos, if you are MAKING money off the dealer, you tip them. WHen i've played in COL, i seen guys making $50-100USD A HAND, never even giving a 1/2 dollar tip, the pit poss and dealers where pleasently suprised that i tip if they made me money. I got free comps(food) at Casinos in Cali even when i only play the minimum 1 USD. The people who REALLY are appreciate of tips or parting gifts are the hotel staff, especially the non-front desk people(maids or doorman)..

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MacGringo says on Jul 20, 2005, 12:27:

I've never really been to many casinos caslug, but I think thats really shit, these guys making 50-100USD a hand and dont even tip.
How tight can you get man!! I'm with you, if the guy is helping me make money, I'd definately tip him.
Yeah I forgot about the maids, any holiday I've ever been on I always leave something for the maids, even if its just whatever change I have left in that countries currency, or usually save by some notes and leave them for the maids.

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caslug says on Jul 20, 2005, 12:48:

but i have to say.. after the BIG ROLLERS saw me tip when i won $10 USD(while they won $50/100USD).. they tips too. Nothing like a little public shaming to get people to open up their wallets! LOL! Especially when they saw that i kept winning after most tips(of course i only tip when i'm on a big winning streak). I think it's NOT because they're cheap, but because it's not something that expected or require. In Vegas(or USA), dealers will get annoyed at you if you don't tip after several big wins. same as waiter/waitress in USA, i've had waiters come up and ask why they didn't get tip, of course because they gave crappy service.

Taxi driver don't expect tips, i generally give them 1000 peso(35 cents) as tips. UNLESS they drove me really far OR i hired them for a hour or two. It only cost $15-20k peso(6-8 USD) per hour to hire a taxi, it's a great way to get a cheap tour guide, he'll drive you around anywhere and point out which places is safe or not. Espcially in smaller cities(cali/ctg), because they'll know it better.

CTG has the WORST taxi drivers when it comes to ripping off tourist. I've had guys who REFUSE to give me exact change THIS IS AFTER he tells me that he can break 20k peso. Instead of giving me back 14K he said he only $10k. Ironically, i at local "friend" later introduced me to his "taxi Friend" and recommend i use him. Turn out it was the same guy who stiffed me, i told me friend that. He asked his taxi friend, why did he stiff me(tourist). The taxi guy said,"because he looks like he can afford it"...I just turn around and walk off.

Or how about the shoe shine guy in BOGOTA(zona rosa) that charged me 30K(13 USD) for a shine(even in the US it's only $5, in COL it cost $2). That one was my fault because i made the mistake of NOT asking for price BEFORE he started. Lesson learn.

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toneloc24 says on Jul 20, 2005, 13:28:

Caslug "Or how about the shoe shine guy in BOGOTA(zona rosa) that charged me 30K(13 USD) for a shine(even in the US it's only $5, in COL it cost $2). That one was my fault because i made the mistake of NOT asking for price BEFORE he started. Lesson learn."

LOL!!!! Man did you get beat, LOL!!! Another lesson learned, I guess. Next time, go to the guys right next to Carulla (supermarket) on Calle 85 (right between the office bldg and the supermarket).

I got a great shoe shine for COP2.000, no lie. Of course, I tipped the dude the COP3.000 change that he gave me back from my COP5.000. He looked at me as if I was crazy, and when the shock wore off, he thanked me profusely. I apparently tipped him enough to get his lunch for the day. I didn't realize that tips were so rare.

"PBH is dead!!!!"

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MacGringo says on Jul 20, 2005, 13:30:

I'll need to keep some of this stuff in mind when I visit, thats a very good price for hiring the taxis by the hour 8USD/hour, thats about £4.00
I cant even put my ass in a taxi in the UK for 5 minutes for £4.00 never mind an hour.

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Mr. Hollywood says on Jul 20, 2005, 13:44:

NYC cabs Hah, Rubiazo, I believe every word of your bad stories about NYC cabbies. I once had a Russian cabbie get in a screaming fight with his wife/girlfriend whatever, while we were driving in from Kennedy. After he hung up he suddenly became "very sick" and started asking me if it was okay if he just dropped me in Spanish Harlem after we got off the Triborough Bridge (I was going to the Upper West Side). I told him no fucking way and, after grumbling for a bit, he suddenly recovered from his "illness" and took me to my destination. Oh, and he also smelled like he'd pissed his pants about 6 hours before.

If you ever meet up with that guy, please kill him for me.

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caslug says on Jul 20, 2005, 13:55:

Tone, i agree.. "I got a great shoe shine for COP2.000, no lie. Of course, I tipped the dude the COP3.000 change that he gave me back from my COP5.000. He looked at me as if I was crazy, and when the shock wore off, he thanked me profusely. I apparently tipped him enough to get his lunch for the day."

These are the types of folks who truely deserve our tips, they do a good job NOT expecting a tip, but they just have good work habits. AND when you tip them they truely appreciate it. I had a old lady maid in Cali that really nice and sweet, after i check out i had unopened ice cream and sodas leftover. I knew she had little kids, so i just gave to her instead of throwing it away. We'll she gave me the biggest, most heartful hug and thanked me profusely. I found out later that she takes the bus 45 minutes to go to work each way to clean 3 hrs a day.

THis in contrast to some scheming ass taxi driver who love to take the long way to pad their fare by couple of mil peso...

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tomtom33 (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jul 20, 2005, 17:16:

Rubiazo says on Jul 20, 2005, 20:02:

I learned long ago to carry exact change for the black cars here, which is all you can get in the Bronx where I am anyways. That whole change thing is just an invitation to get screwed. You hand him what you think the trip could cost, and unless he really wants to go mano a mano with you right then and there there isn't much else he can do except beg you.
I've also noticed that if you get into an interesting conversation with the driver, your price goes down here. I always seem to get those idiot drivers Hollywood described when I'm in the BIGGEST hurry late on my way to a super high paying high-stress gig with all my gear in HIS trunk :((
I try to avoid all that shit by taking my bike as much as possible, but you still have to worry about getting sideswiped or mowed down by them!
I actually found the Bogota drivers more polite, more interesting, and better drivers than the ones here in general. They also seemed to know the city better than NYC drivers, although Bogota is such a maze of interconnected barrios even then at times my GF had to direct them.
I hear actually London is supposed to have the world's best cab drivers, with a rigorous testing and licensing system. They have to speak PERFECT English, and must know every nook and cranny of the WHOLE city. But they are also very expensive.

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MacGringo says on Jul 21, 2005, 10:50:

THE KNOWLEDGE Thats right Rubiazo, the exam for the licensed London cab drivers is called The Knowledge and I think you are right in what you say. They pretty much have to know all of London.
They are also well expensive mate!!!

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quindioman says on Jul 21, 2005, 11:40:

they also have a chip on their shoulder...
correct indeed.....that knowledge thing is not easy to pass/obtain either.It takes on average 3-5 years to do the whole thing and yes they are expensive...mind you everything in london is expensive

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MacGringo says on Jul 21, 2005, 11:43:

Your right most things in London are expensive mate. The official Glasgow and Edinburgh taxis are just as expensive aswell.
Always better to deal with the independant firms.

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quindioman says on Jul 21, 2005, 11:55:

mini cabs lol...i tried my hand at the mini cabbing thing a couple of years ago...i ended up fighting with most of the mini cab drivers because i would do my own prices but that was only after i knew their prices and they were ripping the people off.....most of these muppets didn't speak good english and they too walked around with a chip on their shoulder...i could see why most punters chose me ahead of them for a start i would charge them £5-£10 less than the mini cab drivers....i would pump whatever music they liked and they were welcome to smoke whatever they wanted...oh and the car wasn't that bad either....a nice audi A4...no wonder i had punters taking my number when they got off my car.

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elmodefoque says on Jul 21, 2005, 12:01:

I’m studying to become a NYC taxi driver. Is a 2 weeks course for 600 bucks and then you have to take the hack license exam. You gotta answer 35 outta 50 questions about geography, how to get from point A to point B, NYC landmarks, restaurants , hotels, hospital ect.), rules and regulations and English. I figure I live 6 months in Colombia (during NYC winters) and return to NYC in the summer, make quick money and go back. The money which I presently got aint enough for all the hookers and strippers I plan to see in Barranquilla.
if i get really good at it, i could put up to a G (thousand dollars) a week in my pocket, even after paying the garage 100 bucks a day.

I'll get there, when I get there!

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MacGringo says on Jul 21, 2005, 12:04:

Thats the shit Cockney!!!!!
You should move to Glasgow and start up your own cab business.
Damn, choose your own tunes, smoke whatever you want,ride in a good set of wheels, you'd make a fortune from me and my mates alone!!!hehehehe

In fact we'd pay you £5-£10 MORE than the other cabs for this kind of service man.

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quindioman says on Jul 21, 2005, 12:14:

mac i'd love to move up north for a while....deep fried mars bars...glaswegian kisses (ok maybe not the glaswegian kisses) and those scottish lasses (that's what you call real bubbly women)...would have to scope the competition....don't be too surprised if you see me in my audi blasting whatever music with a strange waft eminating from inside!

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quindioman says on Jul 21, 2005, 12:17:

elmo that's one good thing about living in the sates versus europe....if you want to fly back to colombia it's generally quicker and cheaper....i'd love to get away from this horrible british winter for 6 months.....
you'd make one cool cab driver though (imo)

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elmodefoque says on Jul 21, 2005, 12:35:

CC-man, i know a lotta modefoques that spent the winters back in colombia, dominican republic, puerto rico , etc. then come here (NYC) in the summer, stay with kids, and save up to 10 g's, go back and blow that shit with friends, family, drugs, booze and whores, like i plan to. come back to NYC when you're broke and bust your ass driving.

I'll get there, when I get there!

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MacGringo says on Jul 21, 2005, 13:45:

Cockney, I'll be lookin out for that Audi mate.
You could go one better, get one of those fold down arm rests in the middle of the back seat with a built in Chico mirror. hehehehe

Your also right about the shitty British winter, I hate it.
The sun don't shine enough in this country, fortunately I'm gonna be escaping it for one month for my first trip to Colombia.
Got my ticket booked yesterday.

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aces says on Jul 21, 2005, 14:14:

kick his ass or call the cops eh? To all you guys talking about "I'd kick his ass right there" blah blah balh.. I think you need to be talking more like "I'd kill his ass right there" because if you don't, he'll be back for you. Oh and as for the idea of 'calling the cops' guess who they're going to side with. Just pay the pesos, get your venganza later. I've had plenty of situations where I had to chose between my money/objects or getting my throat cut or getting shot.. guess what I chose. Money you can always get back, life you can't. And by the way, revenge doesn't have an expiry date...

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rjstuff says on Jul 21, 2005, 16:19:

aces you are so right If I wanted to assert my machoism - it makes no sense for me to assert it on an unknown cab driver! (And when no one's there to be a witness anyway to my kicking his ass or getting mine kicked!) I like to assert my machoism by responding intellectually to nonsense at work; garbage from politicians and when I shop (or where I stop shopping.) Mostly the fact that I can kill 37 people in a second by just using the sound of my voice makes me so macho that I don't even need to assert it - OK if you buy me a beer - I will explain that! jajaja

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Rubiazo says on Jul 21, 2005, 18:53:

modefoque: I think the time to make good money as an NYC cabbie is long gone. But my ex's brother does something similar to that still. He lives in vermont and comes down to drive a yellow cab on the weekends.
Personally I'd take the winter in NYC and the summer in Colombia if I could. I can't freaking STAND it right now, especially with the humidity supposed to rise back up tomorrow. I'm changing my shirt 4 times a day!!

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elmodefoque says on Jul 22, 2005, 05:20:

Rubiazo, I’ve been talking to a good friend from Lebanon, that modefoque been driving a NYC cab for 7 years, averages 700 to 800 and sometimes up to a 1,000 in pocket, working 6 days a week. The only problem in the future is that the taxi limousine commission passed a law that all taxis carry GPS and all accept credit cards which f--ks the taxi driver cause he could no longer claim to only make 15 thousand dollars a year while in fact is really 55. He did say that in the winter you make more money, but all I want is enough to pay for my and my friend’s hookers and booze, I’m a great friend and very generous guy, hey! I can’t help myself I’m a bleeding heart liberal and get great joy from sharing unlike those other greedy modefoques.
Tinto, right now with my 401 k plan I got enough to buy a hell of apartment in barranquilla and one in cartagena plus a brand new SUV but then I ‘m left penniless, that’s why I need to come back (USA) every six months to make money. By the time my social security check starts rolling in at age 65, I’ll be one very dead stinking modefoque smelling just like a brit, Russian or Spaniard, specially with the kind of life I’m planning on leading in barranquilla’s gutter. I know that every five and a half month, after my dollars have dwindle to almost nothing, with just enough money for one way ticket to NYC, I’ll be just like those filthy mama verga dogs from south barrnaquilla, laying in the middle of the street in some hell hole neighborhood licking my balls, waiting to get hit by a crowded corroncho bus speeding to Soledad or Simon Bolivar leaving a trail of dust as broke ass ugly desperate modefoque hang from the side.

I'll get there, when I get there!

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utopiacowboy says on Jul 22, 2005, 11:41:

You need to write a newspaper column Elmo. I can always visualize what you're talking about and it's dead-on accurate. Frigging hilarious, man.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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