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DCShoeCo says on Jul 22, 2005, 13:11:

Poor but angry You forgot ¨angry people from Winnipeg who are neither Colombian, nor live in Colombia, that spend all their time on a messageboard about Colombia complaining about North America¨.

Dude, you are in deep need of psychotherapy. Seriously man, you have got ISSUES.

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kernow62 says on Jul 22, 2005, 13:19:

Wow and she lives in London, just think what fun she could have in the US. ;-)

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Rubiazo says on Jul 22, 2005, 13:27:

I think she's too smart to ever consider moving here! :P

DC, I'm seriously considering a move to Colombia myself, just so you can shut your hole on that one. Try reading people's posts before making asinine assumptions! I have had it with BOTH Canada and the US. If not Colombia I will probably wind up somewhere else in South America, like Buenos Aires or Caracas or Rio or Salvador. Or I may even end up in London, but the high cost of living there kind of deters me from that!

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Sylvie says on Jul 22, 2005, 13:35:

Rubiazo Caracas is great. The people are wonderful and such fun to be around. It is decently priced but the streets are a bit dirty. YOu have to watch were you walk.

I love Caracas

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Antioqueñita says on Jul 22, 2005, 14:16:

Gosh so is she like perfect then? This was something interesting to read but yet so critical and weird at the same time.... yes, many things she says are the truth but others are just exagerations and they do not define all the people but I guess she hated Brazil and hates where she is at...

I would love to talk to this woman...and she her life is like.

"Que Viva Medellin!"

"Que Viva Medellin!"

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bufalo says on Jul 22, 2005, 14:19:

Buenos Aires is really nice, been there twice (didn´t rhyme on purpose). We hope to go back again. It was exteremly cheap due to the bank closings, but I don´t know how it is now.

"If you don't like it - lump it, take it down the road and dump it." - Archie Bunker played by Carroll O'Connor

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caslug says on Jul 22, 2005, 14:27:

sounds like grass isnt always greener.. on the other side. Since she didn't mention any advantages living in London brings, especially with crazies running around dropping exploding backbacks! Maybe she should consider moving back to Brazil, at least then she can deal with JUST 3rd world problem PLUS the added benefit of being in a same culture and langauge enviroment. Much easier to deal with problems in your own langauge afterall.

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Dan says on Jul 22, 2005, 14:42:

"Wow and she lives in London, just think what fun she could have in the US. ;-)"

one can only imagine. It would be interesting to see how "picture perfect" her life is.

God Bless America!

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Mr. Hollywood says on Jul 22, 2005, 14:46:

She forgot one -People who consistently misuse the term "The west" and "western" to mean 1st world.

Hint: Brazil is a western country, Colombia is a western country, the US is a western country, the UK is a western country...

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shirly1981 says on Jul 22, 2005, 14:52:

mmmmmmm Why people keep complaining about all that staff if its not gonna get better....... never ever....

Sophia

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spigrimace says on Jul 22, 2005, 15:31:

One thing the West got right.... A PBH´er who came to visit me this week in the bar, who knows Colombia for 10+ years told me this, and damn he´s right on target!...

"Everywhere in the world people are trying to fleece you out of your money. But at least in the US, you won´t have to see the a-hole again."

If you don´t understand this, you´ve never been to Colombia.

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Rubiazo says on Jul 22, 2005, 19:29:

You have to understand this is one post from a very long thread on a forum. She was rebutting a lot of comments similar to what I see here all the time.

People were bitching about Brazil saying the most inane shit, like people driving up to someone's apartment building and repeatedly honking their horn to get them to come out instead of going and ringing the bell. It's definitely annoying but hardly particular to Brazil or Colombia or anywhere else that has cars.

I believe that she actually loves London and wants to stay there but misses Brazil at the same time, of course. Brazil is really a place that is impossible not to miss! I don't know where she is from there though.

BA economy has gotten right back on track and prices are starting to shoot up to previous levels rapidly. This is partially because they defaulted on a loan though, and so are flush with cash. Same thing with Venezuela.

For me, my #1 priority is to get into a society where art and culture still have some value. Colombia seems to be at the top of my list right now.

I have seriously been studying South America for living for the past year or so now, and Colombia comes out on top for me for many reasons. Colombia is a lot easier place to survive (as long as you have SOMETHING coming in) than most other places in South America.

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rjstuff says on Jul 22, 2005, 21:44:

I think her glass is half empty. I look at the best and try to do the best and enjoy the best and hope for the best. Everywhere I have lived and visited - there are wonderful people and scenery and things and food and I try to enjoy the beauty of nature and people around me - if everything else fails I get another beer! A person with bad habits/clothes/no education can also be amazingly insightful and interesting and sometimes teach me something about humans and human nature - also fantastic to hear local's stories (true or not!) Life is fun and I try to enjoy it and try to disregard the bad! Another round of Aguilas for everyone here, waiter - Por Favor!

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Rubiazo says on Jul 23, 2005, 22:35:

Not at all We actually don't agree on much, just on that one point. She even thinks bestiality should be illegal. I disagree with her on that!!
My soul mate is 100% rola!!!!
:)

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BxUnika says on Jul 23, 2005, 22:55:

DCShoeCo and Roofus for President! Totally on point. You also have to love the ay this Canadian who came to NYC in 1997 refers to himself as a New Yorker and tries tio speak for us and talks constantly about places and things here that he knows absolutely nothing about. Ha! If it weren't for Giuliani, he'd be too much of a coward to set foot here!

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platano says on Jul 24, 2005, 00:52:

Things are changing for the better in Colombia... Why people keep complaining about all that stuff if it's not gonna get better....... never ever....

I hope this comment was not intended to imply things never change or never get better. Things do change for the better.

Look at these declining numbers on lynchings in the USA:
From 1882 to 1901, the annual number nationally usually exceeded 100; 1892 had a record 230 deaths (161 black, 69 white). Although lynchings declined somewhat in the twentieth century, there were still 97 in 1908 (89 black, 8 white), 83 in the racially troubled postwar year of 1919 (76, 7, plus some 25 race riots), 30 in 1926 (23, 7), and 28 in 1933 (24, 4).

By 1968 the classic forms of lynchings in the USA had disappeared.

People need to take a longer view on Colombia. Many things have changed for the better in just the last fifty years: literacy, health care, education, etc. --in spite of continued violence-- and even the levels of violence are not as virulent as during the era of "la violencia".

Plátano, el banano verde
Oxigeno Verde ¡Libertad por Ingrid y los demás!

plátano

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kernow62 says on Jul 24, 2005, 09:15:

That is a very good point Platano. I tend to take a long term view of the world, especially how we CAN but often DON'T learn from the past histories of nations that have come before.

I see the US making many of the same mistakes that Britain did when it was the most powerful nation in the world. Look where it is now, people in Britain would have laughed if you fortold the way it has ended up. The people in the US think much the same way, as if it will always be a powerful great nation, I am not so optimistic.

The Colombia I visit is much like the US was in the 1950s or 1960s in many ways. Colombia and other nations should look at the good and the bad in nations such as Britain and the US and learn from our mistakes and perhaps adopt some of our good aspects. Hopefully this won't mean easy credit for all, frivolous lawsuits and supersized people.

It is a bit like watching videos of the football team you are about to play and learning how best to better them.

(A side-note to the supersize people, a show on TV today said 200 million Americans are overweight! It also mentioned how the women's clothing market adds a few inches to the clothing sizes; so if you were a size 8 in the 1980s and have packed on a few pounds in the decades since, that size 8 will still fit you! It makes it difficult to compare European clothing sizes to those of the US. I see the same thing with people getting bigger in the UK too, so obviously we haven't learned from the US example.)

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juanalejo says on Jul 24, 2005, 09:23:

250 thousand According to local newspaper in Colombia we know have 250.000 obese people and is now considered an epidemic.

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juanalejo says on Jul 24, 2005, 09:50:

What is considered obese? Do you know what is considered obese? I went to join a gym the other day and according to the doctor there, I am obese as my fat acumulation is far beyond the acceptable level in Colombia. I am no big boy but do have by beer belly. Then according to the newspaper for my height 1.75 mts I should be weigh 80kgs max if I do not have a high exercise routine and I am at 90 kgs which is close to the 20% over limit to be considered obese. Scary.

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Rubiazo says on Jul 24, 2005, 12:10:

BxUnica You have no idea how fucking wrong you are!!! I would have given ANYTHING to be here in the pre-Giuliani era! And sorry to say, at any time, NYC was a PUSSY city compared to many other places. New Yorkers like to act like they are SO TOUGH but really have no idea what a really rough neighborhood is. Hell all you have to do is drive an hour or so north to Newburgh or Middletown; they are more fucked up than the Bronx EVER was.

BTW I live in the Bronx, and have done for the past two years. I work a lot in Highbridge and Morrisania and am there almost every day. I know the WHOLE South Bronx Harlem and Upper Manhattan like the back of my hand. Where the hell else is it that I don't know a damn thing about that you're talking about? I can GUARANTEE you that Detroit was and is and always will be a LOT more hardcore than NYC, and I used to be there during its worst years in the early 1990s.

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Rubiazo says on Jul 24, 2005, 12:16:

For that matter Just what is it that I've said that's so off base? You may be a born and raised New Yorker but you're probably just some 9-5er who has no idea what goes on after dark anyways!

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DCShoeCo says on Jul 25, 2005, 18:53:

Prognosis You´re a whack-job bro.

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