Somebody please help this Bogota university

AlaOrde says on Dec 4, 2008, 10:27:

Belford University is an organization offering online unaccredited degrees for "life experience". The organization maintains a post office box in Humble, Texas, but its certificates are mailed from the United Arab Emirates.[1]



That first sentence from wikipedia is just amazing. Most notably unaccredited degrees , my word did he even pass a class or does have a transcript?

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gringoloid (Trustee board) says on Dec 4, 2008, 10:29:

in case it's not clear, i need that definition in spanish.......thanks.

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miamimike says on Dec 4, 2008, 10:40:

G'loid--amazing they insist this is a legit university but they would not accept transfer coursework of a Nurse friend of mine here in Miami who is a Legit Col citizen as well as U of Miami graduate(See the today post below yours to the person looking for info on how difficult it is for someone to revalidate their MD coursework in the USA and work in Colombia)

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Robert Jorge says on Dec 4, 2008, 10:44:

Miamimike .... because it was U of Miami. Duh

LOL - just joking

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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Dec 4, 2008, 10:45:

Here is my stab at this. Let me know if you need anything else.



La entidad conocida como "Belford University" no es una universidad legitima. Esta entidad no esta acreditada como universidad en los Estados Unidos. La supuesta universidad mantiene una caja postal en Humble, Texas a las afueras de la ciudad de Houston, pero los supuestos diplomas son enviados desde los Emiratos Árabes Unidos

Es un negocio que cobra por otorgar diplomas a cualquiera que les pague $479. Otorgan los supuestos diplomas y doctorados por lo que ellos llaman "experiencia de la vida". Estos negocios son conocidos como un "fabrica de diplomas" y son relativamente comunes.

Pueden leer mas sobre los "fabricas de diplomas" (diploma mills) en el sitio del Departamento de Educación de los Estados Unidos. En los siguientes enlaces podrán encontrar información relevante a este tema.

http://www.ed.gov/students/prep/college/diplomamills/index.html

http://www.ed.gov/students/prep/college/diplomamills/diploma-mills.htm...



GL, Make sure to get the full link for that second one. The display code for PBH truncates it a bit and drops off the last letter.

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Tinto (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Dec 4, 2008, 10:53:

Strange. Given the love that Colombian institutions have for forms, seals, stamps, credentials, Doctor this, Notaria that - no one did a simple Google check to see if the guy's university was legit.

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Mononoke28 says on Dec 4, 2008, 11:28:

I second CG's explanation of it. Short and to the point with links associated with it.

Diana

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jorgegdiaz (☼Travelguide writer) says on Dec 4, 2008, 11:28:

Mononoke28 says on Dec 4, 2008, 11:31:

You can also use the term "fábrica de diplomas". They use the word fábrica to describe puppy mills, fábrica de cachorros.

Diana

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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Dec 4, 2008, 11:49:

True. "Fabrica de Diplomas" is probably a better term. Come to think of it, I have actually heard that term used before. I was being a bit too literal.

I went ahead and edited my original post to use this term instead. I must admit that it's nice to abuse my mod powers by editing a post past it's expire time.

Now all I have to do is delete Diana's post to make it look like I came up with the correct term ;)

Mua Ha Ha. (Evil mod laugh)

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Mononoke28 says on Dec 4, 2008, 11:59:

Ok, king of the universe!!!!

Diana

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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Dec 4, 2008, 12:03:

Ha Ha Ha. I'm mad with power!

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gringoloid (Trustee board) says on Dec 4, 2008, 12:03:

thanks and awful lot...........i sent it on to the administration. i'm not going to mention the name of the university..........but i think you would be surprised because it is well known.

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jorgegdiaz (☼Travelguide writer) says on Dec 4, 2008, 12:03:

ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Dec 4, 2008, 12:06:

Please let it be La Javeriana so I can make fun of a few friends of mine ;)

However, if I had to guess, I'd probably say La Salle.

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jorgegdiaz (☼Travelguide writer) says on Dec 4, 2008, 12:13:

wanna guess CG ?

http://www.bogotaturismo.gov.co/directorios/universidades/

Sunday`s El Tiempo comes with ads for univ that I have never ever dream of ...

Democratic party or Republican party is fine......as long as theres a party!!!!!!!

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LilaM says on Dec 4, 2008, 12:17:

En resumen, ese tipo compró un "diploma chiviado".

"You may be disappointed if you fail, but you are doomed if you don´t try" B. Sills

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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Dec 4, 2008, 12:17:

Y eso que les faltan algunas en la lista. No vi a la UNAD.

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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Dec 4, 2008, 12:20:

Sip. Hay una gente con mucha hueva. Aquí de vez en cuando cae algún político que le encontraron un diplomita de esos. Se las pisan.

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gringoloid (Trustee board) says on Dec 4, 2008, 12:25:

oh my god.....they understand now....what a change in attitude..........they are in awe!

i talked with one person on skype webcam so i could see the look on her face, it's shock and amazement!

funny thing now......his friends are backing him up.......others say, 'he is not my friend' so i don't care. interesting how different cultures handle a problem.

she's going to call this evening and tell me what happened to the guy, but his Ph.D career is over.

from the looks of things, he must have had someone on the inside helping him out.

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Tinto (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Dec 4, 2008, 12:33:

His Ph.D career may be over but he can be ordained online, become a Reverend, and marry people for a fee.

;-)

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Desi1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Dec 4, 2008, 12:38:

As long as he does not get a degree in medicine and perform an open-heart surgery on me next time I'm in Colombia...

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gringoloid (Trustee board) says on Dec 4, 2008, 12:45:

I think i'm going to buy a Doctor of Proctology degree......i've studied and learned a lot about a**holes right here at pbh.

Or maybe even a Doctor of Divinity.........if you had to call me Reverend Gringoloid then i may get treated with more respect around here.

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LilaM says on Dec 4, 2008, 12:51:

Será que es un diplomado en Ingeniería de Minas y Esferos? o uno de Ingeniería de Puentes y fiestas? :)

"You may be disappointed if you fail, but you are doomed if you don´t try" B. Sills

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LilaM says on Dec 4, 2008, 12:52:

Ok GL you are going to be specialized on Brains?

"You may be disappointed if you fail, but you are doomed if you don´t try" B. Sills

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Desi1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Dec 4, 2008, 12:53:

Then *Loid, wouldn't you say, the degree based on "life experience" would be fully justified?

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LilaM says on Dec 4, 2008, 12:55:

jajajajaja desi se podría decir que es un empírico que en Colombia llamaríamos Tegua jajajaaj

"You may be disappointed if you fail, but you are doomed if you don´t try" B. Sills

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gringoloid (Trustee board) says on Dec 4, 2008, 12:59:

seriously, experience is important.........and it's justified as a way of learning.

but an education tests you, takes you to a higher problem solving level, and teaches you how to think under pressure and deadlines.

but these diploma mllls are nothing more than just buying a piece of paper.

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LilaM says on Dec 4, 2008, 13:05:

Yes GL that is true experience is very important, the thing is if its related to health, a doctor can´t be a "empírico" he has to study, it depends on the field.

"You may be disappointed if you fail, but you are doomed if you don´t try" B. Sills

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gringoloid (Trustee board) says on Dec 4, 2008, 13:13:

in a theoretical world........i believe anyone should be able to become anything they want to be........no govt certification for anything. ayn rand/supply and demand/no govt, etc.

there is a doctor shortage in the usa created by the american medical association. they certify the schools......so that doctors can keep busy and make $500K a year minimum. mantequila makes double that.

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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Dec 4, 2008, 13:39:

Sadly, this situation illustrates that SOME people in Colombia view any bullshit degree from the US or Europe as the living end. Hopefully they'll throw this clown out on his ass.

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LilaM says on Dec 4, 2008, 13:50:

I would love to see the show!!!!

"You may be disappointed if you fail, but you are doomed if you don´t try" B. Sills

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miamimike says on Dec 4, 2008, 14:58:

Hard to grasp the criteria Colombia uses in evaluating Diplomas, as I mentioned earlier, they give a lot of weight to a Mail Order Diploma and discount Legit Universities like the U of Miami here in Florida. Crazy!

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Mononoke28 says on Dec 4, 2008, 15:17:

LilaM says on Dec 4, 2008, 12:17 (today)
En resumen, ese tipo compró un "diploma chiviado".
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But see, that's the problem. It's not really a "diploma chiviado" per se. It's still a diploma in something, but it's not a license or an actual degree. Like me getting a diploma or certificate for having completed a course in... wine tasting for example. It still says that I took the class and received the "diploma" but that doesn't make me an expert in wine tasting or a wine connoisseur.

Diana

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johnny2008 says on Dec 4, 2008, 20:11:

Gringoloid, wake up and smell the perico. I have a lecturing post at one of the world's top ten universities. If your daddy wants to make a cash donation for a new carpet in the foyer then sure as hell you can get a totally undeserved degree too for just sitting around picking your arse for 3 years.

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gringoloid (Trustee board) says on Dec 5, 2008, 05:36:

johnny, i did say above that i thought this was an 'inside job'.......somebody overlooked procedures and helped him get the job.

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