somebody can explain, please, why is it called papaya??....

Desideria (Moderator) says on Jan 16, 2005, 12:16:

papaya dada papaya partida...frankly, I don't know. Maybe because it's so easy to slice open and becomes exposed once and for all. I'm sure somebody else will have another theory?
Cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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Mr. Hollywood says on Jan 16, 2005, 12:24:

Because Papaya looks good but tastes like human armpit?

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jan 16, 2005, 12:27:

I wouldn't know since I have never eaten human armpit. I like papayas. I still think it's because they're soft and vulnerable when ripe. Dar papaya would be like making yourself vulnerable and exposed to be taken advantage of.
Cheers,
Desi

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oldbongo says on Jan 16, 2005, 12:28:

no hollywood... you are confusing that with worlds'
most dangerous edible fruit;..the dreaded d-----

smells like sh-t..tastes like sugar..
smells like hell.. tastes like heaven..

that's another story....

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Mr. Hollywood says on Jan 16, 2005, 12:35:

Dar Durian doesn't have the same ring, does it? I'll accept Desi's explanation, even though I don't like papaya.

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oldbongo says on Jan 16, 2005, 12:46:

no, durian has a solid thud!!!... followed by a scream.....

desi..sounds good, pero, why not melon???

a historical colombian anecdotal answer is
what the oldgringo is asking for.

PM for salsa directions....guden tag

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isaactraveler says on Jan 16, 2005, 15:35:

It is taken from an old spanish root It used to be called feofruta... but as was common, the children would all stand around the tree while the father would toss sticks up at the branches trying to dislodge the fruit, sometimes it took longer than planned hence the children would chant PAPA YA?

ok that is total crap

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Lionheart says on Jan 16, 2005, 15:50:

an native indian name The first written mention about papaya is in "Historia Natural y General de las Indias" by Oviedo. In 1535, this writer sent a letter to his Royal Highness telling about the presence of this fruit in the south of Mexico and Central America. According to Oviedo, Alonso de Valverde brought seeds to Panama and Dominican Republic, where native peoples used to call it papaya. During the first stages of conquest, papaya was spreaded to all over the Antilles and South America. At the end of XIV and at the beginning of XV century, papaya growing was spreaded by Spanish and Portuguese sailors or navigators.

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dwmte says on Jan 17, 2005, 07:49:

you got it right, isaac..... it was in 1535 when the invadors sent word back about this marvelous plant, papaya. there we have the first recorded instance in a foreign tongue of this delicious, delicate fruit.

i'm amazed that ANYONE, blessed by having eaten this marvelous fruit could use, 'shit', 'armpit', 'hell', etc in the same sentence, much less as a discriptive adjectives. ???

show that delicious beauty great respect and thanks. and in further concordance with the post above, i fell sure that the old indian tale of the children and their father fetching fruit from the trees..."papa-ya"....what could be more fitting, real. PAPA YA!

peace,

dw

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oldbongo says on Jan 17, 2005, 09:18:

wait a minute.... what about those aborigines in aussieland who
have been eating it for 40000 years calling it pawpaw.
and what about the africans,biggest trees in the world, ancient.

the oldgringo knows the fruit, dad,
he actually threw wild oranges at the papaya to knock it down in hawaii, and the kids were amazed and never forgot.
and he was'nt the one using
perjoritives,..the durian comment was just a tangent.

BTW... a little search in this site has revealed an old discussion
on this matter, where it was postulated that "dar papaya"
was an old colombian saying, meaning, something like,...
...a woman giving herself to a man.....
..as in, to expose oneself to exploitation..
and conversly, to take papaya was expected.........eso!!

but why isn't it dar persimmon?
ever try one of those when they're ripe?

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jan 17, 2005, 09:33:

persimmon? What's that in Spanish?
I don't think anybody really knows the origin of the expression "dar papaya". It has been discussed here on this board before. It simply means to make yourself vulnerable, exposing yourself, setting yourself up for anything negative that would perjure/harm you or put yourself in a disadvantage. It doesn't have an explicit sexual connotation, but can be used that way too. Now, why papaya, not curuba or maracuyá that's be the question.
People who "give papaya" do that out of naiveté, ignorance, lack of malice, not being cunning enough to see what they're doing. The expression is very Colombian and is hard to translate or explain.

Now, try this one: " a la bulla de los cocos".

Cheers,
Desi

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oldbongo says on Jan 17, 2005, 09:40:

try this... http://www.caucanet.net.co/nf/mc/mcweb/d.htm

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jan 17, 2005, 10:23:

what did I tell you My explanation turned out to be not only correct but far superior to the one provided by your link ;)
cheers,
Desi

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oldbongo says on Jan 17, 2005, 11:27:

si...querida nordica... the oldgringo only offered the link as a source for more info...
lotsa good ones....

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