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"Sin FARC no hay Uribe": Ingrid Betancourt

Probably one of the more interesting interviews she's given so far, since it addresses specific subjects not mentioned elsewhere.

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BBCMundo.com
"Sin FARC no hay Uribe"


Gerardo Lissardy
BBC Mundo, París

La ex rehén de la guerrilla colombiana de las FARC Ingrid Betancourt afirmó que "Colombia está aislada en la región" y acusó al presidente �?lvaro Uribe de falta de "serenidad" en varios temas, incluido el escándalo de la "parapolítica".

Durante una entrevista exclusiva con BBC Mundo en el centro de París a menos de una semana de su liberación, Betancourt evaluó la posibilidad de ser candidata presidencial de Colombia, apoyó el polémico ataque militar colombiano a un campamento de las FARC en Ecuador en marzo y reprochó actitudes del presidente venezolano, Hugo Chávez.

Lo que siguen son extractos del diálogo que Betancourt, de 46 años, mantuvo con BBC Mundo en el hotel parisino Fouquet's Barriere.

SOBRE URIBE

Hay mucha gente que está sorprendida por sus declaraciones al ser liberada, sobre todo por sus elogios al presidente de Colombia, �?lvaro Uribe. ¿En qué ha cambiado su visión de Colombia en estos seis años?

Yo pienso que, primero, al César lo que es del César. A Uribe hay que reconocerle lo que ha hecho por Colombia.

Pero desde un punto de vista ya analítico, el problema sigue siendo el mismo en el sentido de que entre Uribe y yo hay una diferencia fundamental y es que Uribe concibe el problema colombiano como una crisis de violencia, de seguridad, y esa crisis de seguridad, esa violencia es la que produce un malestar social.

Yo pienso al revés. Yo pienso que es porque hay un malestar social que hay violencia.

Esas interpretaciones diferentes hacen que las políticas para atacar el problema se piensen de manera diferente.

¿Uribe debe buscar un tercer mandato?

Yo no sé si deba. Eso está en su cabeza. Él verá qué hace. Yo siempre he creído que la constancia de las políticas de gobierno son necesarias para ver resultados.

Entonces, el hecho de que haya habido un segundo mandato hoy está recogiendo el fruto de esa continuidad.

Si los colombianos quieren darle un tercer mandato al presidente Uribe pues que se lo den, si consideran que ésa es la mejor opción.

Pero hay quienes dicen que eso podría ser un problema para la democracia, que en definitiva la transformación del país dependa de un sólo hombre.

No, yo creo que no. Creo que hay hombres de generaciones, hay líderes que pueden marcar la historia.

Yo pienso que desde el momento que sea democrático y de que los colombianos tengan siempre la posibilidad de retirar su apoyo cuando sientan que es necesario.

Y quiero decir una cosa. Hoy en día todo el mundo dice: "Reelección de Uribe".

Si hay un tercer mandato y la posibilidad de que él se presente, y puede que no lo reelijan.

Es decir, nada está dicho. Entonces, dejemos que los colombianos tengan la oportunidad de decir qué quieren.

LA "PARAPOL�?TICA"

¿Qué opina del escándalo de la "parapolítica"?

Eso es grave. Es grave, es profundo, pero es necesario.

Yo creo que la justicia ha hecho un trabajo extraordinario en una situación muy complicada porque obviamente tocar la "parapolítica" es tocar los cimientos del apoyo al presidente Uribe a nivel político.

Tranquilamente hay que decirlo. Todo el mundo lo sabe. En Colombia se sabe. Eso no quiere decir que estemos diciendo que el presidente Uribe sea paramilitar. No.

Pero el hecho es que sí hay una sensibilidad ideológica que hace que los que están a la derecha, y en particular en la extrema derecha, los paramilitares, le dieron el apoyo a Uribe.

Entonces, claro, el presidente hoy se encuentra con un Congreso diezmado, sin gente, es decir, vacío, porque todos los que eran paramilitares, que eran la mayoría, que eran los que lo habían apoyado, están en la cárcel.

¿Cree que ha reaccionado bien Uribe ante ese problema?

Yo pienso que puede ser más sereno. Yo creo que hay que tener más serenidad.

Y sobre todo pienso que él puede darse el lujo, y en eso pienso que es algo que tiene que ir buscando, de mantener serenidad aún cuando él pueda sentir que lo están atacando.

¿Está bien la idea de Uribe de impulsar un referéndum para definir la legitimidad de la reelección del presidente?

Eso no cambia nada. El presidente puede inventarse 800 referéndums y puede que los colombianos lo vuelvan a elegir 30 veces y que pidan que lo vuelvan a votar.

Pero la justicia tiene que seguir su curso.

PRESIDENCIA

Según las encuestas, usted es uno de los políticos de Colombia con mayor popularidad. ¿No es un estímulo para considerar su candidatura presidencial?

Es un estímulo para servir a la gente que uno necesita que esté ahí, hablando por ellos.

Me irrita un poquito que me pregunten la cuestión esta de la presidencia porque es como si yo saliera con ansias de conquistar la presidencia de la república. No.

Pero es natural en el sentido de que usted es política y la aspiración, el honor mayor para un político es ser presidente de su país...

Sí, de acuerdo. Pero yo soy una política diferente. Me parece que la presidencia está muy bien si uno puede ayudar, pero uno puede ayudar de otras manera.

Y hay otros sitios, otros espacios desde los cuales uno puede ayudar.

Si uno ve que definitivamente, el sitio para uno mover las cosas es la presidencia, muy bien. Pero yo pienso que desde el cautiverio se hicieron cosas muy importantes.

Pienso, por ejemplo, que los colombianos han cambiado su actitud frente al secuestro, al drama de los colombianos.

Mucho más, hoy en día los colombianos salen a marchar, dejaron la indiferencia, son más tolerantes.

Todo ese proceso creo que es parte de lo que nosotros desde el cautiverio ayudamos a impulsar. Simplemente con nuestro dolor.

El ejemplo hace mucho. No necesita uno que lo elijan presidente de la república.

¿De qué depende su decisión en definitiva?

De lo que Dios quiera. Y cuando digo eso suena muy así, pero no.

La verdad es que pienso que los espacios se tiene que abrir naturalmente.

Si yo veo en algún momento que es bueno para Colombia que yo esté ahí, lo estaré.

En este momento no veo la necesidad de estar ahí, peleándome a codos.

Lo que está haciendo Uribe está bien. No es el único que lo puede hacer y puede haber otros que lo hagan mejor.

¿Aceptaría un cargo en el gobierno de Uribe?

Sería un poquito limitante. Pienso que termina uno como poniéndose un bozal. A mí me gusta mucho mi independencia.

No quiero decirle que no, porque uno nunca sabe.

De pronto hay alguna causa extraordinaria que uno quiera defender y no sé.

Pero, en este momento, pienso en la posibilidad de coger temas específicos y tratar de sacarlos adelante, desde la plataforma del micrófono que usted me está poniendo.

LAS FARC

¿Las FARC son un grupo "narcoterrorista", como define el gobierno?

Eso no lo dice el gobierno; lo dicen las acciones que hacen.

¿Hay que seguir atacando a las FARC como hace Uribe o hay que negociar con ellos?

La negociación hay que buscarla como prioridad, pero la presión militar hay que mantenerla, porque las FARC nunca van a negociar mientras piensen que tienen una opción militar para conquistar el poder.

Entonces, la presión militar es para hacerles entender que ésa es una utopía que nunca van a lograr.

Es necesario para que se sienten a dialogar.

Y pienso que tiene que haber un cambio dentro del Estado, el gobierno y Uribe en particular, del vocabulario que se utiliza.

¿Apoyó el bombardeo en Ecuador que mató a "Raúl Reyes"?

Sí. Si Colombia tiene la certeza de que las FARC están en otro país y en ese país no hay la posibilidad de que se cumpla con lo que se debe hacer -que es parar esa presencia ahí- pues creo que al final de cuentas sí.

Obviamente, lo ideal hubiera sido que se hubiera contado con el gobierno de Correa, que se le hubiera advertido, que hubiera sido una operación conjunta, pero muchas veces lo que sucede es que no hay confianza entre los mandatarios.

Entonces, por eso es tan importante que se creen vínculos de confianza y hermandad para que ese tipo de operaciones se hagan no contra el otro, sino con el otro.

Es difícil crear vínculos de confianza en este momento, sobre todo después de las acusaciones que ha habido de ambos lados. ¿Qué opina de los ordenadores de Raúl Reyes que muestran contactos y apoyos, según Colombia, a las FARC por parte del presidente de Venezuela, Hugo Chávez, y del presidente de Ecuador, Rafael Correa?

Me tiene sin cuidado. Me parece que ese es un tema secundario que no debería ni siquiera ser discutido en público.

Pero ¿no le parece que es grave si es cierto que hay un gobierno de otro país que apoya a una organización "narcoterrorista", como usted define a las FARC?

Me parece que son más importantes las vidas humanas de los secuestrados que están en la selva y, por lo tanto, a mí no me importa que Chávez tenga contacto con las FARC, si ese contacto con las FARC hace que Chávez tenga influencia sobre ellos y que a través de esa influencia pueda convencerlos de liberar a mis compañeros.

Lo único que yo sí le pido a Chávez y a Correa es que entiendan que los cambios en Colombia se tienen que hacer por la vía democrática y que ellos tienen que contar con el presidente de Colombia.

Y créame que yo no voté por Uribe no solamente porque estaba secuestrada sino porque no hubiera votado por él porque yo soy de otro pensamiento político.

Pero lo que sí me parece es que Uribe, que uno lo quiera o que no lo quiera, es el único vocero legal de los colombianos.

¿Estuvo bien Uribe al cesar la mediación de Chávez cuando lo hizo diciendo que Chávez había pasado el límite?

No, yo creo que no. (También) lo que estuvo muy mal fue que Chávez se hubiera puesto a vociferar y a utilizar un vocabulario que después cerró la posibilidad de cualquier tipo de comunicación con Uribe. Creo que en eso, Chávez se equivocó.

Pero yo creo que Uribe no debió suspender la mediación de Chávez porque estuvo a punto de coronar.

En ese sentido, ahí yo pienso que Uribe no pensó en la vida de los secuestrados. Tuvo suerte porque ahora logró sacarnos a nosotros y lo hizo de una manera extraordinaria. Qué bien.

Pero quedan otros y, de todas maneras, vamos a seguir necesitando a Chávez y entonces necesitamos que esos puentes se vuelvan a hacer.

¿Le parece que Colombia está aislada en la región?

Yo pienso que Colombia está aislada en la región. Es así.

Tiene, de pronto, a Alan García en el Perú, pero definitivamente sí.

Pero, bueno, son puentes que se tienen que tender y los demás países de la región tienen que entender que esa es la opción que ha escogido Colombia.

Hay veces que Colombia va en contravía de los demás países de América Latina porque la situación de Colombia es diferente a la de todos los demás.

El único país que todavía tiene guerrilla es Colombia y por eso es que estamos en la extrema derecha.

Quienes han hecho elegir a Uribe son las FARC. Si no hubiera FARC, no habría Uribe. Los colombianos votan por Uribe porque están hasta la coronilla de las FARC.

RESCATE

¿Se puede dejar de lado la posibilidad que se haya pagado a algún miembro de las FARC, del grupo que los custodiaba, para su liberación?

Para "Gafas" (uno de los miembros de las FARC que lideraba su custodia) estoy segura que no, porque yo lo conocía de manera íntima, y por la expresión en su cara -estaba tan humillado y asustado- yo sé que él estaba sorprendido.

A la captura de los otros no la pude ver, pero después vi el video por televisión, y se ve cuando son capturados, tienen la cabeza baja, es difícil pensar que ellos sabrían algo...

El alma humana es difícil de entender y no pondría las manos en el fuego por eso. Sí por "Gafas", pero no por los otros.

Realmente creo que los militares colombianos que hicieron el trabajo sí arriesgaron sus vidas.

Si no lo hubiesen hecho, la alegría que expresaron no podría haber sido la que compartí con ellos.

¿Y qué de la posibilidad de que se haya pagado a un alto miembro de las FARC?

Eso es posible, es posible. Pero eso no quita el riesgo que las tropas en el campo, si hubiesen pensado que había un problema, podrían haber reaccionado.

Había 60 guardias armados alrededor nuestro. Cualquier cosa que hubiese salido mal, estaríamos todos muertos.

¿Cómo se define usted ideológicamente hoy?

Yo siempre seré de izquierda. Pero no es una izquierda tontarrona ni ingenua.

Es decir, yo creo que uno tiene que estar donde la gente sufre, donde uno puede hacer la diferencia.

A mí me parece, por la ejemplo, que las FARC no son de izquierda.

A mí me parece que son la extrema derecha de alguna izquierda de otro tiempo prehistórico. Pero de izquierda no son.

Para acceder a la presidencia de Colombia usted tendría que renunciar a la ciudadanía francesa. ¿Estaría dispuesta a hacerlo teniendo en cuenta la pasión que usted expresa por Francia?

Va a tocar hacer una reforma constitucional... (risas).

Nota de BBCMundo.com:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/hi/spanish/latin_america/newsid_74940...

Publicada: 2008/07/08 00:22:00 GMT

© BBC MMVIII

By juancegomez on Jul 8, 2008, 13:37 in Friendly Talkzone.


huskie says on Jul 8, 2008, 13:50:

BIATCH!!!
Cheers

"Huskie; Many thanks for your comments. Do you intend to post anything constructive here? Are you ABLE to contribute ANYTHING?"an ignorant frenchman named Darloupoo

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august says on Jul 8, 2008, 14:04:

Good point about the FARC being responsible for Uribe´s popularity. Obvious, but interesting.

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jul 8, 2008, 14:19:

She's not just smart but also has a great human quality.
Love that interview.

A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi

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Simon says on Jul 8, 2008, 15:10:

Ingrid la está empezando a embarrar.....pórtese bien Ingrid y agradezca más bien a quien te salvó la vida!!!

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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juancegomez says on Jul 8, 2008, 15:52:

Simon: Como si no estuviera dando las gracias de todas formas.

Honestamente, me parece que aún si hay gente que considera lo mismo, es mejor eso a quedarse callado por tener el derecho a no estar de acuerdo con todo. Aún en sus críticas es capaz de darle cierto reconocimiento a Uribe y a sus acciones, más allá del mismo rescate.

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billyb says on Jul 8, 2008, 15:54:

I didn't take her long to turn into her mother. I guess the class and gratitude she showed on the first day didn't last long.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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dwmte7 says on Jul 8, 2008, 15:55:

wish there was an english translation.....i can make it through spanish, but it's a f......ing job.

even after all these years, reading and writing are duro.

patriarch

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juancegomez says on Jul 8, 2008, 15:55:

billyb: I don't get that impression at all, but I guess everyone will see what they want to see.

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Sam Salmon says on Jul 8, 2008, 16:58:

I wouldn't trust that woman to run a laundromat, too much intellectualising too little practicality.

' a la orden!'

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Lisa Zee says on Jul 8, 2008, 17:15:

"I guess everyone will see what they want to see" .No importa lo que diga NUNCA va tener a todos contentos!

"Brilliant woman"

La vida sera' contigo tan justa como lo eres con los dema's.

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dwmte7 says on Jul 8, 2008, 17:54:

precious lisa.....ever been out in the woods and come up on a good, big, mature rattlesnake, maybe 5 or 6 ft long. it's hard to make that something it's not. it's a big serious snake and needs to be treated as such. in this case, fantasy or 'wanna be' aint gonna get it. it's not always that folks 'see what they want to see'. mrs. betancourt, intelligent and talented as she is, does have some issues. now i'm not a subscriber to the posture that she needs crucifixion, but speaking of some of those issues really isn't out of bounds.

patriarch

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billyb says on Jul 8, 2008, 18:08:

""Brilliant woman""

If you consider walking into the jungle to get your ass kidnapped when the army adviced her that the area wasn't safe, brilliant, yes, she is a brilliant woman. By those lofty standards Moe, Larry and Curly would be nobel laureates.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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Lisa Zee says on Jul 8, 2008, 18:14:

She should go stay at a French castle, go to the south of France, eat cheese and drink wine, write a book (she is a great writer) get out of the spot light.

"If you don`t have anything nice to say, don`t say anything at all" (that is how I am)

La vida sera' contigo tan justa como lo eres con los dema's.

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wendell13 says on Jul 8, 2008, 18:36:

That's funny billyb

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Coffeeman says on Jul 8, 2008, 18:47:

Here we have some people that want to give Ingrid some leeway (honeymoon period). BillyB said it correctly... She is her mother. She is reverting to her old ways. ColombianGringo, I'm surprised, you apparently read the article at face value. She is subtly poking at the Uribe administration as a politician would. Am I surprised? no. I'm hoping that the Colombian people look deeper into her actions and avoid the spin and fancy footwork. Most US voters get caught up in the political glitz; they don't like to do their homework before they pull the lever. When she runs for office (not a matter of if, but, rather when) I hope the Uribe or the Santos political campaign organizers make good on Ingrid's chameleon actions. She got home to France, got a good meal and she's read to fight. As Napoleon Bonaparte said, An army marches on its stomach.
May she choke on a croissant.

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TobyBoy says on Jul 8, 2008, 19:41:

Huskie says it well. So now, I've got to leave this Forum soon to do damage control in the French Blogs, and I have to preapre for my offensive in a few hours (Paris time). All in all, I can't keep working in all these blogs (whihc I was trying out). sorry folks. But I am sure you will not miss me. Take care!

Peace

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juancegomez says on Jul 8, 2008, 20:35:

From both a political and pragmatic standpoint...what exactly is wrong with poking at the Uribe administration? It's not like there's nothing worth criticizing. Praise is praise, and it's still there for those who notice, but criticism is also criticism.

It seems people reach the conclusion "that's just like her mother" just because she establishes some differences. Yet I think that requires not only throwing context out the window, but also putting all kinds of different criticisms in the same bag for the sake of argument.

Perhaps this is reading the article at face value, but reading too much into anything is also bad, not better...and again, what exactly is so wrong with criticizing Uribe, both politically and otherwise?

It's not like criticism of Uribe is a bad thing and praise is the only possible good. Or vice versa.

This polarization is killing me, you know. Apparently people either have to dedicate a shrine to Uribe or they need to throw rocks at his picture and burn tires.

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MitchAlvarez says on Jul 8, 2008, 21:16:

Si este articulo es cierto.

MALAGRADECIDA!!!!!!!!!

Calladita se ve mas bonita.

"...Sure some people will say that you are a sexist, very generalizing and opinionated but they are you opinions and yours alone and you don't change your mind because everybody else might disagree with you. Good for you!" -PCL

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Dolfi says on Jul 9, 2008, 01:01:

"Yo pienso al revés. Yo pienso que es porque hay un malestar social que hay violencia."

Couldn´t have said it better myself. I´m sure she will have a future in colombian politics.

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Cerealkiller says on Jul 9, 2008, 02:00:

Great interview. Its funny how women are only smart and interesting when they say something that supports common wisdom/ general consensus, but when its being challenged then the "smart" woman becomes a bitch, a witch etc. Some people just can't handle dissent. IMO Ingrid has always been honest, transparent and upfront, all very admirable characteristics even if one does not agree with content.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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Lcacique says on Jul 9, 2008, 02:54:

jaunce: This polarization is killing me, you know. Apparently people either have to dedicate a shrine to Uribe or they need to throw rocks at his picture and burn tires.

juance and ColombianoGringo, I couldn't agree with you more.

"Es fácil vivir con los ojos cerrados interpretando todo lo que se ve mal..." ~ J. Lennon

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huskie says on Jul 9, 2008, 03:17:

"Here we have some people that want to give Ingrid some leeway (honeymoon period). BillyB said it correctly... She is her mother. She is reverting to her old ways. ColombianGringo, I'm surprised, you apparently read the article at face value. She is subtly poking at the Uribe administration as a politician would. Am I surprised? no. I'm hoping that the Colombian people look deeper into her actions and avoid the spin and fancy footwork. Most US voters get caught up in the political glitz; they don't like to do their homework before they pull the lever. When she runs for office (not a matter of if, but, rather when) I hope the Uribe or the Santos political campaign organizers make good on Ingrid's chameleon actions. She got home to France, got a good meal and she's read to fight. As Napoleon Bonaparte said, An army marches on its stomach.
May she choke on a croissant."

I hope so....

"""Brilliant woman""

If you consider walking into the jungle to get your ass kidnapped when the army adviced her that the area wasn't safe, brilliant, yes, she is a brilliant woman. By those lofty standards Moe, Larry and Curly would be nobel laureates."

Agree

"She should go stay at a French castle, go to the south of France, eat cheese and drink wine, write a book (she is a great writer) get out of the spot light.

"If you don`t have anything nice to say, don`t say anything at all" (that is how I am)"

She should be nomitaded for the Nobel price in literature, World peace, in other words for all the Nobels... maybe someone should come up with a new Nobel....Nobel in Brilliantness, and I bet Sarkozy's will come up with that one!!!!
JAJAJA
Cheers

"Huskie; Many thanks for your comments. Do you intend to post anything constructive here? Are you ABLE to contribute ANYTHING?"an ignorant frenchman named Darloupoo

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huskie says on Jul 9, 2008, 03:20:

I did not watch the interview, would not want to waste my time with such nonsense, I am not interested in anything she has to say. Good or bad
Cheers

"Huskie; Many thanks for your comments. Do you intend to post anything constructive here? Are you ABLE to contribute ANYTHING?"an ignorant frenchman named Darloupoo

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billyb says on Jul 9, 2008, 06:35:

"what exactly is so wrong with criticizing Uribe, both politically and otherwise?

It's not like criticism of Uribe is a bad thing and praise is the only possible good. Or vice versa"

Nothing wrong with that, but common decency would have suggested that she wait more than one day before starting to sound like her mother, i wouldn't be surprised if before long she starts blaming the Colombian gov and army for all her hardships like her mother has. Then you'll se her sympathy driven poll numbers drop to their naturally low levels.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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sanandressi says on Jul 9, 2008, 07:02:

Ingrid is a socialist leftist idealist with very personal desires for power. Not much different from Billary Clinton.

Colombia had its Pastrana and Uribe is working. The day maybe near when Uribe has to sacrifice the other 700 hostages and send every soldier, helicopter, bomber etc into the jungle to wipe out the FARC. They could have killed those other FARC members on the ground the other day right? Or Colombia can continue to play this game of corruption and kidnapping..drug trafficking etc.

Ingird needs to disappear but the left wingers of the world see a new hero now.

Talking to the FARC will NOT WORK! They are NARCO terrorists as American Marc Gonsalves mentioned yesterday. They will not join the political process as did M-19. Too many drug trafficker friends for the FARC.

When Uribe finally militarily destroys the FARC then Colombia needs to continue a program of anti-drug trafficking but it needs to be kept to a criminal activity without armed insurgency called FARC or ELN. Then, north BOGOTA needs to open schools and health centers in the poor rural areas.

I think this is Uribe's plan and it is not Ingrid's. We will see....

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Lisa Zee says on Jul 9, 2008, 10:21:

"did not watch the interview, would not want to waste my time with such nonsense, I am not interested in anything she has to say. Good or bad"

You don`t want to wast your time!!!!!!..... hahahahaha.

You are obsessed with hatred towards her, don`t miss a comment that is not to bash her, and even write post about her!!!, . Hahahahaha, this is pathetic!

"I do not understand people who say: perhaps I am wrong but I do not want to know that I am wrong.
But this is their right ..."..........................

"El peor ciego es el que no quiere ver"

La vida sera' contigo tan justa como lo eres con los dema's.

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tasco66 says on Jul 9, 2008, 10:25:

One thing is for sure:

"Sin Uribe estaría todavía secuestrada"

The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev)

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Lcacique says on Jul 9, 2008, 12:56:

When someone even mentions the slightest criticism of Uribe on pbh, I always imagine that they are diving into a shark tank with a bucket full of chum. You can almost guarantee that there will be a wild feeding frenzy. Driven mad by the blood in the water, the protective eyelid descends and the sharks thrash around blindly ripping apart anything in the vicinity.

A person could say something as trivial as "Damn, that tie looks terrible on Uribe," and all of the sudden they are labeled a FARC sympathizer. An exaggeration? Maybe a little, but I am not off by that much. But even if someone expressed hate towards Uribe, that does not then mean that they are a supporter of the FARC (or anyone else for that matter).

And God forbid you are a mod! That seems to be the mark of the beast...jajaja.

"Es fácil vivir con los ojos cerrados interpretando todo lo que se ve mal..." ~ J. Lennon

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billyb says on Jul 9, 2008, 13:00:

"Damn, that tie looks terrible on Uribe,"

Just what the hell do you mean by that? I think you owe Uribe an apology ;)

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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huskie says on Jul 9, 2008, 13:01:

Brilliant, Brilliant, Lisa, bravo!!!!
Cheers

"Huskie; Many thanks for your comments. Do you intend to post anything constructive here? Are you ABLE to contribute ANYTHING?"an ignorant frenchman named Darloupoo

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MitchAlvarez says on Jul 9, 2008, 13:23:

tasco EXCELLENT POST

"...Sure some people will say that you are a sexist, very generalizing and opinionated but they are you opinions and yours alone and you don't change your mind because everybody else might disagree with you. Good for you!" -PCL

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romy says on Jul 9, 2008, 13:27:

Please post the picture in which Uribe looks bad in a tie. I do not believe such picture exists. Or apologize.

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MitchAlvarez says on Jul 9, 2008, 13:27:

There is a huge difference between you or me saying uribes tie is fuckin ugly compared to a woman who owes her freedom to Uribe and others.

Im not a freaking psycologist or anythign like it. But I can assume after all that time in freaking jungle being harrased, ridiculed, insulted, and treated very inhumanly your probably going to come out with many issues.

But for this woman who very interestingly came out looking not as bad as we all expected to now be free and to start talking shit about our president, the man who saved her freaking ass, and the best president has everrrrr seen.

How dare she!!! Quedate por alla boba que estas hablando mucho. Ojala que con el tiempo se le quite la guevonada.

"...Sure some people will say that you are a sexist, very generalizing and opinionated but they are you opinions and yours alone and you don't change your mind because everybody else might disagree with you. Good for you!" -PCL

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MitchAlvarez says on Jul 9, 2008, 13:30:

yes but far from all that was publicized. She wa supposed to be beyond fragile, very close to dying, incoherent from lack of sleep and food, etc etc.

listen im glad she is ok. She just needs to shut her mouth.

"...Sure some people will say that you are a sexist, very generalizing and opinionated but they are you opinions and yours alone and you don't change your mind because everybody else might disagree with you. Good for you!" -PCL

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jul 9, 2008, 13:34:

Perhaps she should've starved to death for not to disappoint you.

A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi

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romy says on Jul 9, 2008, 13:35:

What happened with her having Hepatitis B? though it would be funny if Uribe ended with HepB a couple of days from now...

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dwmte7 says on Jul 9, 2008, 13:37:

weeeellllll, lemesee now....that's three, for; and none against...................

patriarch

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dwmte7 says on Jul 9, 2008, 13:37:

i can't tell anymore if i'm an alcoholic.....or i really do need a drink

patriarch

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romy says on Jul 9, 2008, 13:38:

CG- I fell asleep at 4 yesterday and woke up today at noon... been partying too hard and need to take it a little easier. I'm not sure if I'm going to start in September this year or next year....

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romy says on Jul 9, 2008, 13:41:

I don't get it unless if you're trying to get at my name... I'll PM you later and it'll all make sense. was it that you didn't get the irony in my comment? HepB is an STD...

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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jul 9, 2008, 13:43:

Ha Ha. No man. That was a very obscure reference to an old Beatle's song about a party doctor. It is on the Revolver album.

-----------------------------------------
Doctor Robert (Lennon/McCartney)


Ring my friend, I said you call Doctor Robert
Day or night he'll be there any time at all, Doctor Robert
Doctor Robert, you're a new and better man,
He helps you to understand
He does everything he can, Doctor Robert

If you're down he'll pick you up, Doctor Robert
Take a drink from his special cup, Doctor Robert
Doctor Robert, he's a man you must believe,
Helping everyone in need
No one can succeed like Doctor Robert

Well, well, well, you're feeling fine
Well, well, well, he'll make you ... Doctor Robert

My friend works for the national health, Doctor Robert
Don't pay money just to see yourself with Doctor Robert
Doctor Robert, you're a new and better man,
He helps you to understand
He does everything he can, Doctor Robert

Well, well, well, you're feeling fine
Well, well, well, he'll make you ... Doctor Robert
----------------------------------------

Yo me como los mocos debajo de la ruana pa que no me pidan.

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romy says on Jul 9, 2008, 13:48:

hahaha that's good

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Lcacique says on Jul 9, 2008, 14:19:

CG, it's not that obscure. The Revolver album was a classic. In addition, if we can assume that the song was truly about Dr. Robert Freymann (which is debatable), then we are talking about a pretty famous cat that used to pump the stars and the in-crowd full of narcotics in New York back in the heyday. He was even portrayed in a cult classic film called "Ciao! Manhattan," starring Edie Sedgwick (Warhol's darling who used to frequent the doctor).

Then again I am a bit of a geek for music, art, and old school New York (before the Mickey Mousification), maybe it is all pretty obscure.

"Es fácil vivir con los ojos cerrados interpretando todo lo que se ve mal..." ~ J. Lennon

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romy says on Jul 9, 2008, 14:21:

Obscure for me... but then again I'm not a beetles fan

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Lcacique says on Jul 9, 2008, 14:39:

I had heard that story as well, since he was the one that often carried the drugs or something. I have read that Freymann has stated that he treated Lennon, but i do not know if that was before or after the song was written. Also, it is my understanding the Lennon was the principle writer so he should know what the song is about; however, he doesn't seem the type to out someone. So, who knows...

"Es fácil vivir con los ojos cerrados interpretando todo lo que se ve mal..." ~ J. Lennon

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romy says on Jul 9, 2008, 14:48:

these younguns eh...

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Lcacique says on Jul 9, 2008, 15:06:

At the risk of being wrongly accused of being a communist pig and a FARC sympathizer who supports terrorist loving NGOs, I never really cared much for this tie.

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I think most of us can agree that the color is questionable in Uribe's case and the print is just awful. It is clear that others agree, because every picture I found was cropped so that you could not see the entire tie. Marvelous editing by the publishers. I must say, however, that overall his taste in ties is respectable. I did not find any Jerry Garcia ties or ties shaped like a fish.

"Es fácil vivir con los ojos cerrados interpretando todo lo que se ve mal..." ~ J. Lennon

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romy says on Jul 9, 2008, 15:25:

Cacique- That is a terrible tie selection. You do not need to apologize for that one. Someone should kidnap Uribe for wearing that tie, maybe a fashion adviser.

CG- I'll be proud the day my kids start spinning music for me when I'm too old to hit the clubs. But for sure I know what you mean. btw, I managed to get tickets for Tiesto here in Calgary in August, crazy because the thing sold out in 3 minutes and now those things are going for something like $180 CAD

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Lcacique says on Jul 9, 2008, 15:29:

I had the opposite experience C-Gringo, my parents had all their records but I grew up not caring for them all that much. It was until I got into my early twenties that I really started appreciating them.

"Es fácil vivir con los ojos cerrados interpretando todo lo que se ve mal..." ~ J. Lennon

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romy says on Jul 9, 2008, 16:23:

in itunes go to the store, then podcasts, then music... you should see them there, they're free

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