Sick and tired

oldbongo says on Jan 23, 2005, 09:58:

hey shaz.. stick around kid...
we ned you and all the other ladies of character.

the london nick seems to be a troll or damaged.

don't worry about the oldgringo...he never offends,
unless offended.

Desideria (Moderator) says on Jan 23, 2005, 09:58:

Shaz, less than a week ago I was just about to drop out myself. Both you and me have been members for a long time here and have seen how the quality of posting has had its ups and downs. For about two months now it's been a downward spiral but I see signs of improvement. The fact that the moderation is getting tighter is the proof that something is being done to stop the demeaning personal attacks and bashing of members.

Yes, you're absolutely right that there's a lot of negative posting about women from USA and Europe here. We have to keep in mind that a great majority of posters are men, many of them are either married or in the process of getting married to Colombianas and many carry a grudge against the women of their own society. To lump us all together as gringa bitches is just a convenient way of self-justification, since it's always easier to blame somebody else for your failures. They hope that marrying a woman from another culture would provide an answer for them, since these women are supposed to have a whole different set of virtues and priorities than we (which is a false premise, of course).

Yes, we do have true women-haters amongst us here as well as inmature whiners, hard-core racists and more. But, there's a lot of good people too, people who back you up, people with level heads and common decency. I've been bullied and attacked here many times, but also received lot of backing and support.

I come here for the same reason as you: to keep up with everything concerning Colombia, to participate in debates regarding life and culture in Colombia, to offer what little I know about Colombia to people who want advice. It's ultimately up to us to start and contribute to threads that maintain this flow of information and debate on acceptable levels.

Cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

isaactraveler says on Jan 23, 2005, 10:07:

Shaz and Des Londonmale is a troll and wont last here very long.

I may not agree with a few things you post (sometimes) however I strongly value your point of view.

since I met Angelica, I have had to defend my relationship with her to everyone and anyone who learned of my intentions. Finally my family realized my resolve and accept her as part of my life. I have since gotten a thicker skin regarding others opinions.

My only feeling about american women, is that they also want something better in men, and due to any real or imagined flaws I have about myself, have felt that I could not attract the type of women I wanted. no reflection on american females. I am fortunate to be able to transition from one culture to another without hurting communication. I did have to give up the notion of marrying a jewish girl, but since I feel more latin that jewish, it wasnt a big sacrifice.

Regardless, I read pretty much everything you post. Even Lathras. She is just more fun to tease.

Save the Wildcats says on Jan 23, 2005, 10:14:

Yeah, I know what you mean. I don't post here much anymore. I hate generalizations, and some here tend to generalize. I don't ever think I've bashed men in general; I love men, but because I'm a US female I get lumped in with a bunch of obnoxious people. There are good and obnoxious people in every country.

For what it's worth, I have no problem with the "Rate Colombianas" thread; I just skip over it, and I think Calipro and his harem are probably very happy and that's cool with me. I hate generalizations towards any type of female, and degrading any group, and I'm glad Farce was banned, but there are others here that have said similar things, maybe more politely but those are the feelings of some.

Kim

oldbongo says on Jan 23, 2005, 10:18:

there must be something in the DNA...ike. the oldgringo should have married a virgin
from the same tribe, but he saved himself to
live as a mongrelized, happier oldgringo, thanks to
the decision to follow the heart and the gringo trail.

Save the Wildcats says on Jan 23, 2005, 10:24:

I forgot to say... if someone prefers Colombianas for x, y, and z reasons over US/European females, that's fine! Everyone has a right to their opinions. Heck, I take a lot of flack because I want to adopt a South American kid ("Why don't you help someone American??") - but everyone has their preferences. However, what I take issue with, is why do people have to justify their preferences by bashing the "other" group of people? Just speaking in general here but those have been my thoughts also.

oldbongo says on Jan 23, 2005, 10:28:

GiB... the feminine side of the oldgringo was still
offended by your accusation that his country is
resposible for USA drug-crime, ...which remains unretracted.
However, the feminine side of the oldgringo now accepts your
humble blanket apology.

kernow62 says on Jan 23, 2005, 10:51:

Wow, GIB your sisters and mother are women, what a revelation. ;-)

Lionheart says on Jan 23, 2005, 10:52:

Food For Thought Last night I had a choice, blow a fuse or put my remaining three grey cells to work. I am sure you all read that post about rating Colombian women. To me genderism (bashing the other sex) is the same as rasicm. It falls into the category of insulting another person, personally. But this is a measure that is impossible to apply here, or even to apply to me myself. Let's just say, I try to better myself and when I catch myself I kick my own butt.

So what I did was write a counter-attack, all friendly and nice, but exposing the idiocy of the original post. So far it worked, that thread stayed fairly quiet, DOA. AC did not need his bullet-proof vest. I think over time the trolls will get bored that way, when they discover that their provoking posts go nowhere except back into their own face. I am not talking about the bantering here, just the obviously bad stuff that doesn't have a place here. James' reply proves the point.

Desideria (Moderator) says on Jan 23, 2005, 10:52:

kim, I don't have a problem with that either. After all, we all have our preferences. I don't mind a bit of teasing either, a couple of bad jokes don't shake my world either, but lumping every "western" woman together in a bunch a venom-dripping snakes who are only interested in destroying/ripping off/ having power over men is a an another exmple of the misogynist attitude of some posters. I certainly don't see myself being one of them, neither is my mom, my sisters and my female friends like that towards their men. I don't hear that complaint either from the men in my society.

Cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

oldbongo says on Jan 23, 2005, 10:54:

me too... peace...and by the way..who's better??

bruce lee, or steven seagal??

i love those guys...

Save the Wildcats says on Jan 23, 2005, 10:59:

Desi.... I know what you mean. Most of the stuff I can skip over, or at least be forewarned, but the western-woman-fem-nazi name callling/bashing is insidious and not always possible to skip over. I just don't get why people need to bash others and/or generalize to justify their preferences. It saddens and angers me at the same time. Like you, I don't like any kind of bashing though; men bashing, Jew bashing, women bashing, etc. There's no need.

Kim

Save the Wildcats says on Jan 23, 2005, 10:59:

OldGringo..... clearly Jackie Chan rules all.

Kim

oldbongo says on Jan 23, 2005, 11:05:

kim?? who's he???
some johnnycomelately.??

the oldgringo was hoping GiB would give us
a detailed analysis on this classic match-up.

Save the Wildcats says on Jan 23, 2005, 11:07:

Aw, DUDE! You don't know Jackie Chan? Really?? Well, I suppose he's not classic like Bruce Lee, but he's better than Steven Segall I believe. You really ought to check out some action flicks of him.

I can't kick as high as Jackie or as well but I sure do try.

Kim

oldbongo says on Jan 23, 2005, 11:10:

thank you.. that settles it nicely.

for now.

Lionheart says on Jan 23, 2005, 11:15:

Jackie rules he makes me laugh most of all action heroes.

2nd best for me is Arnold, but that has a special reason, his language. His horrible Austrian dialect when speaking German was bad enough, I saw him once in Germany peddling muscle additives. I had to laugh so hard I wasn't able to buy anything. Listening to him speak English now, I still hear his dialect and get a good laugh. Arnold for President!

oldbongo says on Jan 23, 2005, 11:16:

duh.... we start teaching them at the yeshiva...age 3

Lauthra says on Jan 23, 2005, 11:19:

Children! It's Lauthra, not laura nor lathra *raspberry*
So you like teasing me Isaac? I hadn't realised just yet! :P
Nato ;)

Nato (='.'=)

Save the Wildcats says on Jan 23, 2005, 11:21:

Oh, you're right... Arnold is cool, too. Did you see how Austria wants to shun him, though, because of his views on the death penalty? He didn't give that guy that killed 3 (?) women a stay of execution; now Austria's pissed at him. Maybe he should stay over here after all. I loved him in the Terminator but he should quit with all of that plastic surgery.

Jackie's the best. He seems like he has a great sense of humor, too.

Kim

utopiacowboy says on Jan 23, 2005, 11:45:

People love to generalize. People love to anonymously bash. Is that a generalization? Uh, oh. Actually I agree with the posters above about the stereotypes and generalizations. BTW, I love Jackie Chan.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

Save the Wildcats says on Jan 23, 2005, 11:48:

Aha! All Cowboys must love Jackie Chan, then! I knew it!

Guess I should get off my butt and do some quilting and yoga now. I've been stalling here too long...

Peter (Moderator) says on Jan 23, 2005, 12:15:

I deleted Londonmale's account and ALL his posts. THis comment was the cause: "Women in the western world have talked about men the way the nazi´s talked about jews. Women are full of bigotry towards men. Women making comments such as men are useless men are the reason the world is in a mess". I don't need this bullshit on my site.

Poor but snappy

oldbongo says on Jan 23, 2005, 12:17:

bravo!!! y gracias.. it is YOUR site...it's good...don't lose it.

Albatross says on Jan 23, 2005, 12:20:

Londonmale I was beginning to think that you were pretty useless yourself, but your last post completely reversed my opinion of you.

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

Desideria (Moderator) says on Jan 23, 2005, 12:27:

good call peter and thanx. Maybe now we can start focusing on more positive ideas here and the women who have left the site will be back.

Albatross, londonmale is gone and his last post was a useful one, it bought his ticket back to to the troll country.

Cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

santiBOG says on Jan 23, 2005, 12:29:

Wise words from GiB: "But maybe some day we will stop pointing fingers and legalize the stuff"

Hey, finally we can agree on something.

oldbongo says on Jan 23, 2005, 12:32:

the oldgringo has legalized it.... and now he wants to know..
who's better...???

moe, larry, or,, curly,,or shemp?

fmonroe82 says on Jan 23, 2005, 13:07:

It's about time.. I totally agree with you ShazCas. I found this website when I was wanting information about traveling to Colombia. My boyfriend is Caleño, and I have found some very useful information about understanding Colombia and his culture. This site is overwhelmed with generalizations about "North American" women and European women. I acutally came acoss a even more disgusting website last night www.nomarriage.com about how we as women don't have "family values" and we "don't take care of ourselves" and how we are "money hungry, greedy feminists"..etc. (List goes on forever.) There is bad and good in all societies.

dwmte says on Jan 23, 2005, 13:21:

is it illegal? hmmmmm i want to give all you gals/women, credit for putting up with the not so cool sleeze that has paralyzed this site for the past month or so. you all deserve credit for putting up with this filth. moreover, for not firing back or sending hit men to deal with it.

i, for myself, apologize for those posters who aren't man enough to do it themselves. unable to look within themselves, they look outward and find the faults they should be routing from themselves, in others. these louts are so full of negative image of self that they are really beside themselves and don't have the strength nor the will to clense themselves. pity, because by so doing, they would discover so much more of value in themselves and in the world. anyway, i do hope you ladies on sight, and those so sleezeily referred to, will accept my apologize for those responsibe for these attacks and belittlements.

i feel so sorry for any and every soul who is without a teacher or a guide to lead them out of darkness. it is a difficult and ardous task. one of my teachers said once, 'he who knows not and knows not that he knows not, is a fool, shun him; he who knows not and knows that he knows not, is a child, teach him; he who knows and knows that he knows, is wise, follow him.

peace to all and thanks to all you wonderful insightful ladies who add to the character of this sight.

peace,

dwm

Save the Wildcats says on Jan 23, 2005, 13:25:

You're awesome.... thanks for the excellent post.

I don't mind being called on something I did, but to have men generalize against all US women creeps me out. And that photo album of Farce's - I shouldn't have looked, but I did, and I still feel dirty after looking. Bleck.

Thanks for your nice post, it restored my faith in humanity. You sound kind of Buddhist/Taoist so maybe that's why I like you also.

Take care,

Kim

jack73534 says on Jan 23, 2005, 13:32:

sick and tired too. I am sick and tired too. I don,t like to trash U.S girls I have two sisters. I made a mistake today at sunday dinner. I was talking to my sister about my son going on a boy scout camp out in Provo Utah. It was freezeing with 3 feet of snow. My son,s troop did not put up tents they dug shelters in the snow bank. I was talking to my sister about his trip and how harsh the conditions were, thats when I made a mistake. I said ,"yea it was pretty hard but its good for boys." I got yelled at for being sexest.

Gator says on Jan 23, 2005, 14:07:

Thanks, Peter Get busy and weed the garden.

"Brevior Sltare Cum Deformibus Mulieribus Est Vita!" .

fzrdan says on Jan 23, 2005, 14:34:

I think a lot of the guys here go to Colombia looking for a woman because they have been wronged by some gringa back home. It is human nature to think badly of those that wronged you.

I agree though it is bad to generalize. Not all gringas are bad or good. Not all latinas are bad or good. No group of anything is all one thing or the other! Are all oranges orange? Maybe, unless they are not ripe, then they are green.

utopiacowboy says on Jan 23, 2005, 14:52:

My wife and I went out last night to a club in San Antonio for some salsa and merengue dancing. Just the two of us. We had a lovely time dancing and talking while we rested between dances. At no time in our conversation did cultural differences come up nor did we relate to each other as representatives of our respective countries. Maybe everyone else sees us as gringo and Colombiana with all the baggage that entails. But to each other we are just two individuals, a man and a woman, a husband and a wife, no more and no less.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

fzrdan says on Jan 23, 2005, 15:12:

uc, that is great. I was with a brazilian girl for 4 years and I can't remember how many times the differences between our countries was brought up and the way we were raised and acted as adults because of those differences. I grew very tired of it.

Albatross says on Jan 23, 2005, 15:18:

Sounds Like Heaven... Having just gotten buried under a foot or two of snow here in New Engand last night (and having spent the morning shoveling the crap), an evening dancing to salsa and merengue sounds like heaven.

But I did see Frank Reyes, Tono Rosario and others in Santo Domingo New Years Eve, so I guess I shouldn't complain... much.

P.S. I like the cultural differences...

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

Mr. Hollywood says on Jan 23, 2005, 16:17:

Shazcas FWIW, I've missed your contributions here, lately.

I, too, find the misogynistic streak hard to take. It seems Colombia is a blank screen that a certain kind of man projects his fantasy of a magical land of complient and submissive women. Of course, I love what someone posted above how that illusion is so much easier to uphold when you don't speak the language.

Anyway, the women on this site rock and don't take any shit from idiots.

dwmte says on Jan 23, 2005, 16:39:

guardian of the wildcats.... buddhist/taoist...nah, just an old gringo, a hay-buckers son, who grew up, left the farm, went to university, and never went home...so to speak. no more farmin for me.

worked what seems like all over the world, ended up in colombia about 15 years ago, got married, had two children, one's buried on the mountain up the hill past hotel intercontinental (actually past the las palmas exit for 'la cola de zorro'. the other our daughter is now twelve.

i have been fortunate to have many sane and most humane teachers that guided me through my wild and foolish paths and brought me along the way...something i certainly couldn't have done by myself. and here i am. a gray haired toothless old fart that has a lovely wife...drives me frickin nuts, she's a house tyrant, runs the show like a general. but it's incredible, so i keep my mouth shut...if i know what's good for me.

so there, young lady, that's the real me, an old timer, with nothin special happenin and waiting til we can move back to colombia and grow a bit older with the mrs around her family. me, i'm so old, that my family (folks) are in the mode of movin outta here. they're in their '80's.

peace to one and all.

dw

oldbongo says on Jan 23, 2005, 16:48:

hey dug... life in colombia is a cakewalk compared
to the east, no?

can you imagine if elmo had to grow up with the camels
instead of the burros?

fzrdan says on Jan 23, 2005, 17:10:

Albatross I like the cultural differences also. However, I don't like when they are used as an excuse for acting a certain way (bad way I mean).

dwmte says on Jan 23, 2005, 17:16:

Old Gringo.... i can remember people askin me, 'wasn't iran cool when the shaw was there?" i mean, common dude, hell no, it was the same shit hole it is now. i'm not comming down on the folks, but those folks have life turned upside down and inside out. they are basically--forgive the generalization--without a clue how to live in peace and harmony. i don't need to tell you, if you don't agree with them, they'll cut your head off, blow up your house and your church, and send a video tape of it to the local tv station...there!, that'll show ya! devil american!!

if the PRECIOUS LORD never takes me back there it'll be too soon. i spent the greater part of my adult life working in and outta there and africa....what a burn out. i'll even shut my mouth, complainin about daytona if it means i don't have to go back there.

but now colombia.....i couldn't believe i had discovered colombia, especially medellin after all those years of travelling and working in those GOD forsaken places. don't get me wrong, there are some HOLY, DEEP islamics....but they are outta sight. hidden, all but invisible. these so called fundamentalists are no more than murderers. let's call a spade a spade. i don't give a shit if you die in your deed, (suicide bombers) murder is murder. and the CREATOR, frowns upon the diabolic distruction of HIS works. si o no.

anyway, old brother, thanks to GOD, we found a place like colombia to air out our bones and ways.

peace.

dw

dwmte says on Jan 23, 2005, 17:22:

oh, gringo.... i forgot...if elmo was around the camels, he could REALLY do some humpin...

dw

isaactraveler says on Jan 23, 2005, 19:24:

damn I really dont mean to misspell your names I just dont pay close enough attention. Sorry Lauthra. Anyways, I generally always think.. Hmm i should have called her Nato.

Anyways I wouldnt play a dumb powertrip game like mispelling a name. I prefer to go right for the underwear joke.

hows my girlfriend Barry? I miss his POV here too. Tell him to start posting again.

calipro says on Jan 23, 2005, 22:12:

Femi-nazis among us..... "but the western-woman-fem-nazi name callling/bashing is insidious and not always possible to skip over."

Save the wild cats,

What do you call women that believe that men who seek marriage partners outside their country are nothing more than social degenerates that can't find a woman in their own country?

What do you call women that project their own values and priortities on women from a different culture. And when they don't make the same choices that they would, call them maids which is a pretty clever way of calling them low class?

"To lump us all together as gringa bitches is just a convenient way of self-justification, since it's always easier to blame somebody else for your failures. They hope that marrying a woman from another culture would provide an answer for them, since these women are supposed to have a whole different set of virtues and priorities than we (which is a false premise, of course)."

Desi,

If you never come to grip with the fact that many colombian women have quite different prioritiies and virtues than you then you will always be doomed to think of them in a negative way. Colombianas that marry gringos will always be women that sold themselves for a green card. They will always be suffering souls that wished that they hadn't had to marry a gringo to get ahead in life. And we gringos that marry colombianas will be nothing more than social misfits that couldn't get an americana to take a second look at us or why would we even bother with colombianas. We'll always be LOSERS and they'll always be MAIDS.

I don't think I generalize about american women to much. Personally I get along fine with most americanas. Hell I have been know to date one or two to this very day. But, when push comes to shove I'd take a colombiana over and americana any day. Does that make me a loser?

Maybe I'm the only one but I actually thought londonmale was Desi posting under a different handle. I thought she was being very clever and I might add, actually made quite a good argument for why some clowns really do have to leave the country to get a date. hehehe!!

JamieJ says on Jan 23, 2005, 22:28:

The Real Clowns From Desi: “For about two months now it's been a downward spiral but I see signs of improvement.�

Yes I think that all start when you a made a false accusation against me that you could not prove nor were you woman enough to apologize for it... and I am still waiting for your improvement.

From Desi: “Yes, you're absolutely right that there's a lot of negative posting about women from USA and Europe here.�

I don’t think there is a lot. You have a couple vocal advocates. Yet when this was stated by a poster:
“I think that anyone who has to resort to going to a foreign country to find a woman is a real LOSER!� I didn’t see you coming to the defense. Ok to bash one side but not the other huh?

When I said this to one man: “You disparage Western women due to your own inadequacies. You feel so hurt that they are discriminating and don’t take favor to you that you coil back with broad insults. That is a sign of a weak man.� I didn’t see you seconding me. Where was the righteous Desi?

“...that a great majority of posters are men, many of them are either married or in the process of getting married to Colombianas and many carry a grudge against the women of their own society.�

Please list such men if they are many? I think you are magnifying what is actually a small number of men.

“It's ultimately up to us to start and contribute to threads that maintain this flow of information and debate on acceptable levels.�

You are a hypocrite Desi along with the group that speaks from “Lauthra� the 3 or more of you don’t debate fairly or answer questions presented to you challenging your facts and reasoning. While the profane provocateurs are easy to spot and ignore you hide under a civil, nice demeanor where your sprinkle words void of truth. While you don’t wear the mask you are almost as dangerous of a clown as they are, because it would not be obvious to the shallow reader that your views are empty of reason. You complain when attacked by slurs, but when I confront you with facts and counter ideas that require you to reveal the basis of your opinions you runaway and hide. Why don’t you just admit you don’t want to be challenged and have your mistaken views revealed. So judging by your past behavior, as long as the “information� comes from you than its “acceptable� this is the one way “flow� you favor.

I believe all forums should have a fair minded, rational moderator. But for Lionheart who has done his share of running from the questions and can throw out blatant falsehoods such as "US Americans can only think black or white. They have no clue about grey zones."

And his own form of peacemaking: "God, people, don't be so dense...� for this to be moderator material is a joke. But of course I hear so often from our Liberal friends that Europeans, to our shame, think of Americans as a joke so I guess this all fits in line.

I propose we all just play it safe and before anyone can enter an idea counter to the group mentality it should be put up for review so we can exile any fringe thinkers before they disturb the “acceptable information flow.�


Jamie
[sig deleted - no ads allowed, remember!]

Jamie

Gomezman5 says on Jan 23, 2005, 22:32:

Calipro. Do you really think that all Colombianas that marry Grinogs, are doing so for the purpose of selling themselves just to get a Green card? I know you can't believe this. And what about the Colombianas that date mafiosos? And what about the Colombianas regulares that simply marry other wealthy Colombianos? And what about Colombianas that marry other Colombianos because they have nice cars? And what about Colombianas that marry Colombianos that have ANY car? (In Bogota we say "la mujer tiene un corazon de motor". Why? So she does not have to wait for the bus on the cold and rainy Bogota afternoons and evenings.

My point simply is that Colombianas don't have to marry a gringo to be materialistic, money grabbing prostitutes. They can do so right at home should they choose to do so.

BoricuaMorena says on Jan 24, 2005, 03:44:

I agree with what you are saying , Shaz. I certainly do not agree when they put down another culture or race of women over it or group them together in a negative way. On the other hand, gringas have been put up on a pedestal as a standard of beauty and desire for the longest time. Society and the media with their portrayals of standard beauty in this country try to make ethnic women feel bad about their appearance. So what if a few guys have preferences elsewhere and find another type of woman outside of gringas attractive.

Save the Wildcats says on Jan 24, 2005, 03:44:

Calipro.... "What do you call women that believe that men who seek marriage partners outside their country are nothing more than social degenerates that can't find a woman in their own country?

What do you call women that project their own values and priorities on women from a different culture. And when they don't make the same choices that they would, call them maids which is a pretty clever way of calling them low class?"

I feel you're reasonable so I'm going to be honest and take the time to clarify my position again. I agree - what you mentioned above is irritating behavior. I'm against *all* generalizations. My point is, why lump all "western women" in together? I haven't seen you do that, and I have no problem with you preferring Colombianas - **because you don't bash other women in the process**. I'm a western woman, and I've expressed nothing but happiness for you that you're happy with your girlfriend(s).

My only point here is why lump all people in together?

This is all I'm trying to say - If someone ticks you off - *take it up with them - but don't extrapolate their behavior to an entire population and think that because someone that bashed you for seeking Colombianas is xyz, then all xyz people must think that way.*

Kim

isaactraveler says on Jan 24, 2005, 05:08:

it never occurred to me once that she might be londonmale Not that I know her, but it doesnt seem like something Desideria would resort to, or need to resort to (posting with another pseudonym) Not everyone needs to create personas to get a point across, or to create an ally.

she stands on her own two feet right or wrong, with her posts.

JamieJ... if you are waiting for an apology, suggest you take a comfortable chair. Why would you or Calipro expect them to voice an opinion in defense of your ideals, morals or business? It was enough that they and several others voiced opinions against dating services and enmasse dating of Colombian women/photo taking. I don't think you should expect them to come to your defense.

My position was simply that everyone has the right to do what they please so long as it isn't hurting anyone else. It doesnt mean I agree with you.

However feel free to keep posting underwear pictures, calipro.

ShazCas says on Jan 24, 2005, 05:17:

Thanks to all of you who cheered me up and reminded me that there are fantastic people on this site - you all showed me why I shouldn't give up! I'm overwhelmed by the response and didn't realise that others felt the same as me and as strongly. It's such a relief.

For the record, I have no problem with men and women of any nationality getting together, it does not bother me that men from the US get together with Colombian women at all. I don't think badly of Colombian women who marry men from the US or any other country. I don't think badly of maids either, I am from a working-class backround and don't get involved with classism.

I do have a problem with men who put women down, denigrate them, generalise massively and treat women as objects to be used or bought. Many nasty things have been said about women in general here, and "gringa" women in particular. I'm glad I spoke up about it because I feel it had to be said, and as a result I was reminded of all the fantastic people there are here! Thanks guys!

Albatross says on Jan 24, 2005, 05:42:

For What It's Worth... I posted this in "The Defense Of Free Speech" tread, but I think it belongs here as well...

"Political Correctness is the communal tyranny that erupted in the 1980s. It was a spontaneous declaration that particular ideas, expressions and behavior, which were then legal, should be forbidden by law."

"Political Correctness is preaching intolerance. It tells us to castigate those whose lifestyle choices we do not share... The harm of the PC attitude is not that it tries to make us talk differently but that it tries to destroy the easy-going glue of tolerance which holds a civilized society together. It seeks to turn us against each other, and to turn INTOLERANCE INTO A VIRTUE."

"To attempt to point out the odious nature of Political Correctness is to restate the crucial importance of plain speaking, freedom of choice and freedom of speech; these are the communities safe-guards against the imposition of tyranny, indeed their absence is tyranny which is why any such restrictions on expression such as those invoked by the laws of libel, slander and public decency, are grave matters to be decided by common law methodology; not by the dictates of the mob."

"All must accept the notions of the Politically Correct as truth, or else! This is the same mentality that inspired the Inquisition and forced Galileo to recant; the same mentality that inspired the Nazis and obtained the Holocaust. Once expression gets placed in a straitjacket of official truth, then the madness that occurs in all totalitarian states is obtained. Life, in private and public, becomes a meaningless charade where delusion thrives and terror rules."


Sources:

www.adamsmith.org/blog/archives/000155.php (UK Site)
www.ourcivilisation.com/pc.htm (Australian Site)

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

JamieJ says on Jan 24, 2005, 06:53:

isaactraveler I am not seeking an apology from Dezi for contrary opinions. She made a direct accusation against me that was not true and did not provide any evidence as requested to show me why she came up with her unsubstantiated accusation. Yet Dezi speaks of “common decency� and she behaves by make accusations against one when there is no supportive evidence for doing so this is “common decency.�

Dezi says “I've been bullied and attacked here many times,...� Isn’t a groundless accusation against someone a form of “attack.� I have all ready given Dezi many opportunities to apologize for something which she did that was not correct based on her own standards she has revealed to this forum in this thread yet she does not live by her own standards she proclaims. And while I am sitting in my comfortable chair I am not going to let her hypocrisy go unnoticed. I don’t expect anyone to come to my defense on views they do not support. Most people are sheep even when it comes to voicing support for views they hold.
Jamie
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Jamie

elmodefoque says on Jan 24, 2005, 07:55:

I’m glad I’m outta this mess. For months I been spewing disgusting stuff, but I have never, never slander gringa women. I’m like a freaking dog, you feed me and I follow your ass anywhere. Griagas did nothing but showed mucho loving, they loved me long time, and that’s why they’re my favorite. I hope colombianas understand that.

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

Desideria (Moderator) says on Jan 24, 2005, 09:12:

I should've seen this coming. No, I'm not "londonmale", isaac is right; I would've never thought about such an elaborate scheme to prove a point. I've pretty much given up trying to prove anything. I have neither the time nor the inclination to devote myself to on-line battles with people who don't know me and who I don't know. (A good thing, occasionally, I suppose.

I have nothing but highest esteem for the Colombian woman in general, be she a maid who works in my kitchen, a nails girl who comes to my home to pamper me, a teacher who works long hours struggling with my
children, a salesgirl standing on her feet 12 hours a day, a single mother and an economist working at a financial institution juggling between being a representative, effective, successfull career woman and a housewife with small children at the same time, a lawyer working for a big company or university. The women in Colombia struggle hard and work hard; things don't come easily for them and their only safety net is the support of their families and loved ones. They're honest to the core, compassionate, loving and caring; at the same time retaining a lot of spirituality and intellectual versatility. My best female friends are Colombian women. That's how I know that we share a common ground of values and priorities. We have discussed these things over many times over great many years.

Cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

Desideria (Moderator) says on Jan 24, 2005, 10:53:

part 2 I rushed to post my answer to calipro before I had actually completed it because I don't feel like having to say these things one more time and then lose it all in a time-out.

No, you're wrong on the second account too. I have NEVER said that I don't approve intercultural, interracial marriages. I rather prefer them, mine being one of them. No, not every gringo who marries a Colombiana is a loser, or every Colombiana who marries a gringo is a maid. A good example is utopia cowboy and his wife: utopia is a good-looking, intelligent, pleasant and well-mannered gringo and his wife a a lovely, 44-year old paisa engineer. A winner with a winner. That's just one example, there's plenty more that kind of marriages that I think are just wonderful. It's just two people who met, fell in love and got married, in spite of the language barrier, cultural barrier,against the odds. I'm using utopia as an example because his marriage has been thoroughly discussed here; I'm sure there are plenty of others even on this board who have made a successful match with a Colombiana; my congrats to them!

Cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

Desideria (Moderator) says on Jan 24, 2005, 11:10:

part 3, for jaimie sorry, but I don't remember what this is all about. What did I say? I've been trying to find the thread where we had a minor difference of opinion about something, but I can't find it. Please refresh my memory.
Cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

Rikito says on Jan 24, 2005, 11:27:

Maybe there is some truth to what is said! Many of the people who slam American women here might have had some personal experiences that justify their feelings. In the U.S. the attitude towards the feminist is having some negative feedback.

I read in the Denver Post newspaper yesterday the following quote that in my mind and in my past many experiences is so very true.

"An american woman marries a man hpoing he
will change. An american man maries a woman
hoping she won't."

It is not life that matters, but the journey.

Gomezman5 says on Jan 24, 2005, 13:51:

Desi...Hi You can avoid the time out every time, if you type your message in
Word first. Then you can take as long as you want, resign into PBH, then copy and past. Or you can type in PBH, copy and paste to Word, resign into PBH, and then copy and paste back to PBH ( I reccomend this if you you are doing your message in PBH and you think you have taken too much time. It solves your problem

isaactraveler says on Jan 24, 2005, 14:22:

actually Utopia is a fairly ugly fellow it is just that is Colombianita is near-sighted and he won't buy her glasses.

he may be ugly but he aint a dummy.

utopiacowboy says on Jan 24, 2005, 15:21:

Wow. Thanks, Desi. And you too, Isaac, for figuring out my plan. Hey, it's working!

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

calipro says on Jan 24, 2005, 16:01:

Desi I applaud your new found sensitivity to political correctness. Considering just a few posts up on the this very thread I found this:

"We have to keep in mind that a great majority of posters are men, many of them are either married or in the process of getting married to Colombianas and many carry a grudge against the women of their own society. To lump us all together as gringa bitches is just a convenient way of self-justification, since it's always easier to blame somebody else for your failures. They hope that marrying a woman from another culture would provide an answer for them, since these women are supposed to have a whole different set of virtues and priorities than we (which is a false premise, of course)."

Damn, if I didn’t know any better I would say you were calling us grudge holding (against gringas), failures (with gringas) who had to marry a woman from another culture to try and find an answer for our past failures.

Well anyway I’m glad you cleared all that up with us gringos. Hehehe!!!

And I see UtopiaCowboy likes being the new poster child for the perfect gringo, colombiana relationship;-)

utopiacowboy says on Jan 24, 2005, 16:05:

I'm not proud, Calipro. I'll take a compliment whenever I can get it!

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

JamieJ says on Jan 24, 2005, 16:31:

Desi Women... Gee Dezi pay attention...

"jamie pretending to be first an American then a Swedish girl asking himself questions and then answering them. That was funny!"

Jamie

Desideria (Moderator) says on Jan 24, 2005, 21:34:

jamie, ok, now I remember, I said something like that but you took it out of the context. I also said "either that or he has done some heavy-handed editing". What else can you expect when you re-write somebody else's text so that it becomes yours in syntax and style.
Cheers,
Desi
(not quite convinced yet...)

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

Desideria (Moderator) says on Jan 24, 2005, 21:41:

oh, I didn't mean all calipro, I don't think ALL gringos marrrying Colombianas fit in that category either, only some. Many are still grudge-carrying, women-bashing, socially-handicapped individuals. Those are the ones that fill these pages with their hatred and resentment towards the women of their own society. I don't think that awfully much about the gringos who travel to Colombia, ask girls to take their clothes off and climb on their beds, take pictures of them and then post them all over the internet either.

Cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

fzrdan says on Jan 24, 2005, 21:57:

Desi Do these girls know their pictures will be plastered on the internet? Doubt it.

calipro says on Jan 24, 2005, 22:51:

What?? "I don't think ALL gringos marrrying Colombianas fit in that category either, only some. Many are still grudge-carrying, women-bashing, socially-handicapped individuals. Those are the ones that fill these pages with their hatred and resentment towards the women of their own society."

Who are the many grudge-carrying, women-bashing, socially-handicapped individuals? londonmale? Please let it go. The guy has been banned already.


"I don't think that awfully much about the gringos who travel to Colombia, ask girls to take their clothes off and climb on their beds, take pictures of them and then post them all over the internet either."

Well I can see that we are never going to see eye to eye on this one. None of the pictures that I posted contained nudity nor a simulated sex act. I think I presented them in a way that showed their natural beauty. They certainly don't have any less clothes on than the women on caliescali.com or latinmodelos.com which are both non nude web sites.

I think guys have been asking women to take their clothes off and get into bed....since. well..beds and clothes were invented. I don't know when the camera was invented but it couldn't have been more than a few hours time before some guy took a picture of a woman. Hell I wouldn't be surprised to find out that the reason the camera was invented was to take pictures of women. And, I'll bet you a dollar and a donut that the first picture ever posted on the internet was of a woman. There are probably more pictures of women on the internet than anything else. Maybe there are more pictures of women on the internet than all the other pictures of everything else combined. The bottom line is, what are a few more going to hurt. Women are beautiful and guys like looking at them. It's what makes the world go round.

I think some of you need to relize that there is nothing wrong with posting pictures of beautiful women on the internet or admiring them. In fact I'm taking a photography class right now so I can better capture the unbelievably amazing beauty of these young women on my next trip;-0

Flyinrob13 says on Jan 25, 2005, 01:35:

While in Colombia, both men and women would ask me what I thought about Colombian women, and how they compared to American women. I told them that I thought that Colombian women were great. When comparing them to American women, I replied that there are Colombian women in America. I went on to explain that the US is full of different cultures and types of people, and that its difficult to lump them all into one group. Unless youve been to the US, im sure that its hard to imagine how culturally diverse it is here. I thought that was a pretty good answer to give them. Its also really easy to say in Spanish! Its true, right?

I really liked the Colombian women whom I met, and I think that their attitudes and the way that they express themselves is what was most attractive to me. I liked Colombia, the culture, and the people. I had a great time, and I will be going back.

Calipro: I looked at the photos. I am sure that everyone who looked at your photos knew what they were going to see. Thanks for posting them.

Well folks, these are just my opinions.

Albatross says on Jan 25, 2005, 04:47:

Sorry... Did I Miss Something ??? I guess I must have missed something in Calipro's pictures. Perhaps Desi can point it out to me... I didn't notice the gun to the head of any of those poor "exploited" women. Granted, if they had a valid reason to believe that the pictures were going to remain private (which is debatable), then it was bad form to post them. But it takes two to Tango, the posers are no less culpable than the photographers. And the facts suggest that many women have no problem at all having provocative photos taken.

The absolute explosion of sex sites on the Internet (not to mention other outlets such as video and magazines), hasn't happened without plenty of willing subjects. And what about “traditional� models or entertainers in general ? Are we taking advantage of them too ? Should men feel guilty about the “exploitation� of supermodels who make more in ONE photo shoot than most of us make in a year ? When Madonna and that other talentless sleaze, Britney Spears, kiss each other on national TV, because “sex sells� (and they can't do anything else), are men supposed to rush off to church for absolution ?

I for one, don't feel too awfully sorry for those women... or particularly bad for looking.

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

calipro says on Jan 25, 2005, 05:24:

Albatross Don't fall for Dezi's feighned concern for the well being of the women in my photos. People don't change over night and we all know what she really thinks of them. They're all low class MAIDS.

Albatross says on Jan 25, 2005, 05:29:

P.S. Catwoman... Also, what's the big difference between Calipro's pictures (at least the ones that I've seen) and the one of Lauthra lounging on her bed with her kitten. (Purrr...)

And what about Barry (who presumably took the photo), what part did he play in that "sordid affair" ?

P.P.S. Thanks for the pic, Barry...

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

YEP says on Jan 25, 2005, 07:25:

Ah Calipro I see you haven't forgotten her hight thoughts
about the "substrata DES" population .... neither have I. That one will hunt you forever DES.

What if I looked down at people working with kindercare or in the public sector just because they have chosen that oh ... and you actually had a choice. How big is the chance for a poor person to break their social sphere in Colombia Des ?? You of all people must know that.

Those poor maids didn't choose to be born in a poor family or had many choices when selecting neighborbood.

OK CaliPro .... one thing you ow these girls is to be up front and ask if you can share your photo's with your friends. Or ask if they want to get promoted in some kind of way be it modelling or something else.


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calipro says on Jan 25, 2005, 08:46:

YEP "OK CaliPro .... one thing you ow these girls is to be up front and ask if you can share your photo's with your friends."

I don't think I have to ask them if I can share the photo's with my friends. I think it is reasonable to assume that any photo that you allow to be taken by a friend might be shared and show to other friends. These photos were never available to the whole world to see, only a relatively small group (less than a 100 people) that was invited to view them and then for a limited time. They were right click protected and I maintain controll of them.

In the future I will have the women sign a model release which means I can charge money to let people view them and sell them. And then I will plaster them all over the internet for the whole world to see. But there is a down side. You will have to pay to see them also.

goosekirk says on Jan 25, 2005, 09:51:

Capt. Renault is shocked, shocked I say I can't believe people are still using terms like femi-nazi and political correctness - this isn't 1992, is it? I thought Rush Limbaugh died years ago. For all intents and purposes, at least.

Anyway, it should be obvious to any guy that if you want to talk like a sex tourist, there are more appropriate forums for that. Didn't someone just recently post a big article from some website about how they couldn't score with American women, and how much easier it was for a pathetic guy with no social skills to pick up foreign women in third-world countries? C'mon, it's that kind of post and thinking that makes all gringos who date Colombianas look like rejects and losers, and is downright insulting to any woman. This ain't exactly shocking, fellas. If you wanna talk like you're in a locker room when you're at a dinner party, you better expect some lumps.

Before you start bragging about some chicks you nailed or bitching about some you didn't (this includes the so-tired and lame generalizing of women), just stop and think - what would Steve McQueen say? Or Paul Newman, or Bill Murray, or any other famous guy with class, dignity, or a sense of humor? When all else fails, let that be your yardstick. If we'd all just keep that in mind, best of all, then we wouldn't have to go through long, pointless threads like this one.

Desideria (Moderator) says on Jan 25, 2005, 09:53:

I just love it when total strangers pretend to know what I think, based on a few offhand comments I've made. I am not going to be justifying every word I post here or taking words and sentences out of context to "prove" a point. Ohmygosh, sometimes I feel like I was in a court of law, being judged for having a bad attitude, prejudice, pride or some other real or imaginary fault in my character.

Just a couple of quick comments: calipro, I believe it's totally unethical to publish pictures of "friends" in sexy poses and in a variable state of undress without their consent. Publish pictures of models in any kind of state of undress is fine with me. If the "friend" that was posing in the pictures wishes you to publish her picture on the internet for whatever reasons (publicity, attract clientele, boost self-confidence, just for the heck) you get no objection from me. It's between you two. As you have already stated in your previous post you are publishing these pictures without even asking the girls.

Now YEP, you are also putting words in my mouth and that is very unfair. I haven't said that these girls were maids. I said that I've had prettier girls than them working in my kitchen. Which is a totally different thing. Are all the girls that were born in a poor family destined either to become maids for affluent families or prostitutes? Of course not, it's a tiny percentage of them that'll ever become either. Can they break the circle of poverty and ignorance (lack of education)? Yes, but not easily. I have said this before and I'll say it again: I'd much rather see these girls in a plaid school uniform with books under the arm waiting for the school bus than hooking up gringos/Colombians/whoever on the streets.
Cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

oldbongo says on Jan 25, 2005, 09:57:

i like seeing them.. in school uniforms, too.

and they know it,... and they like it,
and some of them hook up with gringos on the streets.

oldbongo says on Jan 25, 2005, 09:59:

fortunately.. the oldgringo was already spoken for.

elmodefoque says on Jan 25, 2005, 10:01:

I got the solution to this mess.Hey Calipro, just post pictures of yourself in underwear or Speedo, spread eagle on a bed, then you’ll be able to post those fantastic pics once again free of any reprisals. make love not war!

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

Lauthra says on Jan 25, 2005, 10:17:

Albatross Plenty differences!
1. I'm not possing.
2. I am wearing clothes! Not just knickers...
3. It was pure luck the skirt showed so much.
4. Barry does post pictures of any other women, just me.
5. He has my consent!
Can't think of anything else, but no doubt there is more stuff.
If after this you can't see the difference I can't help you.

Nato :I

Nato (='.'=)

elmodefoque says on Jan 25, 2005, 10:23:

Ok, since Calipro won’t do it, I’ll be the first one to post a pic in my CK underwear with racing stripes. All I ask is to PLEASE not laugh at my creepy looking long hanging hairy nut.

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

oldbongo says on Jan 25, 2005, 10:27:

okay..if you'll do it... the oldone will too..

we could compete for ugliest ol modefoques

chicharron says on Jan 25, 2005, 10:28:

everybody is having fun... ...and then someone gets a penis in the eye !!

oldbongo says on Jan 25, 2005, 10:31:

what's a penis?.. why don't i have one?

kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 25, 2005, 10:33:

!This is getting interesting!

engage brain before opening mouth

elmodefoque says on Jan 25, 2005, 10:34:

oldgringo, that's a great idea! nevermind the most handsome, let's compete for the ugliest modefoque on this site. issac might just beat us, but is going to be a tight comeptition.

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

oldbongo says on Jan 25, 2005, 10:34:

oh....THAT"S what it's called... gee... i always new it as ikra

kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 25, 2005, 10:36:

lmao what a classic. have u got one old gringo?lol

engage brain before opening mouth

Albatross says on Jan 25, 2005, 10:37:

Catwoman I totally agree... It WAS pure luck your skirt showed so much.

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

elmodefoque says on Jan 25, 2005, 10:38:

i'm going to do it but i'm gonna have to scratch my face out like calipro. you'll know is me, because of that creepy nut and i'll also be holding up a sign saying "el modefoque" with the date.

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

babygirl says on Jan 25, 2005, 10:38:

wow! I first found this site when I was looking for information about travel to Colombia but I'm addicted now! By the time I finished reading through all the posting I forgot what the issue was to begin with. Hey, I'm still trying to figure out if I'm supposed to be insulted by being called a gringa. Stereotypes suck big time don't they? Femi-nazi? What the he...? As for inter-racial marriages/relationships, I guess I'm an old fashioned naive romantic because I know of a few relationships that started on summer vacations abroad and they're still in love and going strong. Does this mean that the cutie I met in Cartagena doesn't love me and only wants my money and passage to Canada?? hahahahaa!

cheers - babygirl

cheers - babygirl

oldbongo says on Jan 25, 2005, 10:46:

they all do...baby at least that's what some nasty people say.

so what,...have fun,..don't take life TOO seriously, now.

the oldgringos' got a shot at out-uglying you elmo,
so, give us your best shot.

YEP says on Jan 25, 2005, 11:59:

he he ... CaliPro ... I wouldn't mind paying if I knew they got
paid then that would be very fine. And I and others could contribute to the wealth of Colombia that way around ;-)


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elmodefoque says on Jan 25, 2005, 12:22:

"the oldgringos' got a shot at out-uglying you elmo,
so, give us your best shot."

Will let the ladies be judge of that!
Hey OG, which of these ladies will be best qualified to judge the ugliest modefoque in PBH.

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

oldbongo says on Jan 25, 2005, 12:37:

well, as it takes one... to know one..

the oldgringo's going to have a hard time imaginaning
that ANY of the ladies are going to qualify as judges!!

the oldgringo thinks that the judging will have to come from the peanut gallery, which is composed of the partners of kat1, mrs,G.
queenie, pink's out, maria1234, and maybe miguelito can officiate.

over...

pink_lotus says on Jan 25, 2005, 12:38:

Agree Yeah all the comments about gringas put me into shock as well...and made me want to leave this board.

It is kinda sad. Howver I understand the mind frame as well. Men when they come here are embraced by the oppisite sex. American men are tall and handsome - so they feel this whole new experience of addmiration and adulation that they never got back at home in the states.

So I can understand the mindframe - and thought process behing their feelings - and their postings.

However it gets tiring to read it all the time.

oldbongo says on Jan 25, 2005, 12:44:

geez..... the oldgringo really is psychic..

"pink's out"

Lionheart says on Jan 25, 2005, 12:51:

try to ignore I try as best as I can as long as it doesn't get personal. The whole girl talk reminds me of locker room jabbering when I was in my early teens, 13/14 maybe ... that's when some guys were trading centerfolds in school until they got caught. Let the kids play ...

YEP says on Jan 25, 2005, 14:00:

Yes LionH the only difference between those kids and
with grown ups is that this talk gets more refined/juicy due to experience.




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Lionheart says on Jan 25, 2005, 15:15:

juicy/refined I prefer the juicy and refined talk in private with my woman, no need to talk to other men about it.

A former girlfriend once gave me a good answer to why men like talking about girls and looking at photos, so far it is uncontested:

"When I am looking for a good date I pick the silent man who doesn't talk about women, because he knows how to treat a woman. Those men don't have to talk about it, because they prefer action over talk."

YEP says on Jan 25, 2005, 15:19:

He he ... no my friend the truth is more diverse than that
as in many matters of life ;-)



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dwmte says on Jan 25, 2005, 15:41:

you're right lionheart the ones that talk, don't know; and the ones that know, don't talk.

one of my teachers told me...'if you would know secret things, learn how to keep secret things secret.

dw

isaactraveler says on Jan 25, 2005, 17:21:

HEY WHAT THE HEY???? Elmo, I never said I was ugly, I said I had a bulbous head. Utopia is the one that breaks mirrors.

HOWEVER, i am willing to enter an ugly competition. Screw it, winning that is still winning something.

Lauthra, yes, it was lucky.

Desi I dont think Calipro is seeing your point. I have since come around to the main gist of your arguement (at least for me) that regardless of his personal life, he shouldnt post compromising pics of girls without their permission.

While on principal I agree, the dirty guy in me likes to see underwear pictures. DAMN YOU CALIPRO (pssst... what is that password again?)

elmodefoque says on Jan 26, 2005, 07:58:

Isaac, you funny modefoque. You might have a head like "Lurch" of the Addams Family, but OldGringo and I, have the ugly factor down to perfection. I could just imagine him and I walking into a Cartagena bar. Ugly, in stereo.

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

oldbongo says on Jan 26, 2005, 08:06:

in stereo and in spades... when you go out this weekend, last minit. you gotta
buy 2 sets of old cowboy style gun holsters, and
water blasters. ....we'll moidelizem

Desideria (Moderator) says on Jan 26, 2005, 10:36:

you're right, isaac he (calipro) is not likely to see my point. It doesn't matter, however, I have nothing new to add. He's made it perfectly clear for anybody that the girls are not even aware of being flaunted as trophies all over the internet. There's no way of weaseling out of it.

Cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

calipro says on Jan 26, 2005, 21:17:

Dezi The only weaseling going on around here is you trying to deflect criticism (for making disparaging remarks about gringos that seek a foreign bride) by talking about my photos.

Nothing personal but just to prove a point that in fact my albums are not public domain, I won't be allowing you to view my next album.

Just out of curiousity, what made you go to picturetrail, type in my member name and use the temporary password to view my albums in the first place?

Was it the fact that very few people in the world have had a chance to see them? HeHeHe!