Should Uribe forgive Chavez ( Forgive and go on Or Seek his Arrest )

DodgerDogs says on Mar 10, 2008, 15:07:

What if one of your loved ones was a victim of the Farc, would you not want Chavez prosacuted ?

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.Martin Luther King:

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robi666 says on Mar 10, 2008, 15:14:

Veloz reconciliación entre Colombia y Venezuela es un remiendo superficial de disputas muy profundas

Venezuela cambiará embajador en Colombia, tras normalización de relaciones entre ambos países
No se han despejado dudas sobre apoyo de Venezuela y Ecuador a las Farc, cuestiona E.U.
Analistas señalaron que los mandatarios de Colombia, Ecuador y Venezuela eludieron oportunamente una confrontación no deseada ni conveniente.

Pocos días después de enviar tropas a su frontera con Colombia, tanto Rafael Correa como Hugo Chávez estrecharon la mano a �lvaro Uribe, el viernes, en un asombroso cambio de actitud que puso fin a un tenso debate durante una reunión cumbre en la República Dominicana.

El veterano periodista Eleazar Díaz Rangel, director del periódico venezolano Ultimas Noticias, dijo que el restablecimiento de relaciones era ''la mayor sorpresa imaginable en una cumbre latinoamericana''.

Pero algunos vieron otros motivos en la disposición de Chávez a aceptar la reconciliación. Steve Ellner, profesor de ciencias políticas en la universidad venezolana de Oriente, dijo que de esa manera, Chávez ''evitó pagar un precio por su postura''.

Colombia es uno de los principios socios comerciales de Venezuela, y proporciona miles de millones de dólares anuales en importaciones, entre ellas leche y otros alimentos que han comenzado a escasear en Venezuela.

Durante el conflicto de la semana pasada, Chávez acusó a Uribe de ''mentiroso'', y de presidir ''un gobierno genocida''.

Para el líder opositor venezolano Manuel Rosales, Chávez cambió bruscamente de actitud pues ''quienes le miden la opinión pública le informaron que había un rechazo gigantesco en el pueblo venezolano a su lenguaje violento y de anuncio de guerra''.

Rosales, quien fue candidato presidencial de la oposición en diciembre pasado, señaló que Chávez ''recogió banderas sensatamente, lo cual nos satisface. Porque el Chávez que apareció dos días después del anuncio de la movilización de tropas no era el mismo del domingo''.

Chávez no fue el único gobernante que hizo gala de pragmatismo.

Según Shelley McConnell, especialista en asuntos latinoamericanos en el Hamilton College de Nueva York, ''después que Uribe prometió respetar las fronteras internacionales en el futuro, (Ecuador y Venezuela) reafirmaron su compromiso de luchar contra el terrorismo'', una señal de cooperación que podría volver la disculpa de Uribe aceptable para las fierzas armadas y la opinión pública colombianas.

Uribe también prometió no ejecutar su amenaza de formular cargos contra Chávez ante una corte internacional por su presunto apoyo a las Farc, aunque las autoridades colombianas han difundido documentos hallados en la computadora portátil de un guerrillero, los cuales dicen que Chávez y Correa se conjuraron con las guerrillas.

En su intervención en la cumbre, ''Uribe hizo un alarde asombroso de pericia diplomática al borde del abismo y terminó ganador'', dijo Patrick Esteruelas, analista de asuntos latinoamericanos en el Eurasia Group de Nueva York. ''Correa y Chávez no pudieron darse el lujo de responder a más preguntas sobre los posibles vínculos con las Farc.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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robi666 says on Mar 10, 2008, 15:18:

Again: "Uribe también prometió no ejecutar su amenaza de formular cargos contra Chávez ante una corte internacional por su presunto apoyo a las Farc, aunque las autoridades colombianas han difundido documentos hallados en la computadora portátil de un guerrillero, los cuales dicen que Chávez y Correa se conjuraron con las guerrillas."

It's too late for Uribe to seek his arrest. That's after the Santo Domingo's meeting and that's what Chavez masterminded from the very beginning.

The only chance to see Chavez prosecuted for the evidences contained in the three computers has got a name: USA.
Or something unexpected happening in Venezuela.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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DodgerDogs says on Mar 10, 2008, 15:22:

Do you think accpeted and with drew his troops , to keep Uribe from further denouncing him as a Farc supporter.
The willingness of Chavez to accept a agreement at the summit, has
caused many in Colombia and Venezuela to wander why , after he deployed troops to the border and called Uribe and Colombia, Warlords and Bush Babies , Uribe and Chavez gave each other a hug and shook hands.

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.Martin Luther King:

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sloopskipper says on Mar 10, 2008, 15:27:

I hope that Uribe has the wisdom to make the decision.

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DodgerDogs says on Mar 10, 2008, 15:32:

The U.S. can only list them as a Terrorist State, I dont think they can get Chavez tried.

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.Martin Luther King:

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Waterdawg says on Mar 10, 2008, 15:37:

I Op for letting Venezuela taking care of Hugo , all by them selves ..

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robi666 says on Mar 10, 2008, 15:38:

DD, that would be a victory.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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DodgerDogs says on Mar 10, 2008, 15:41:

That is what worries me about investing and living in South America, one day the goverment could be over thrown and you as a expat lose everything, sort of like they did in Cuba.

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.Martin Luther King:

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Waterdawg says on Mar 10, 2008, 15:51:

I love several Parts of Argentina ( I'm a trout fishing nut ) .. Problem this ain't the much abused USA. where you at least have some protection.. I mean some States weighed in on the Domain issue.. My Colombian Assc: is even so/so on " Buying " at this time in Colombia ..

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lampltr says on Mar 10, 2008, 15:53:

Could go both ways...If Uribe pushes to have him convicted, then he would further bury himself with his actions in addition to not being able to leave his country especially if the Generals desire to over throw him...should he exit the border then he would be immediately arrested. Better possibly for the stabilization of the region if he was out of the picture. Either way I believe if the evidence is indeed true he is f_ _ _'d

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Mar 10, 2008, 15:55:

que olvidar ni que nada, Uribe debe mandar a ese payaso pa' el hueco...

engage brain before opening mouth

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goin_south says on Mar 10, 2008, 16:03:

provocative questioning... superdog.
this should get alot of AIR TIME.
I'll check back later.
I say: I agree with kat1, whatever she just said there about the class clown

I'D RATHER BE.........IN COLOMBIA :-))

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DodgerDogs says on Mar 10, 2008, 16:16:

GS,
I was thinking maybe you grew wings , and was headed further south.

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.Martin Luther King:

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fecherklyn says on Mar 10, 2008, 16:30:

Uribe does not necessarily HAVE to do anything DIRECTLY himself....he can use other persons for his purpose.

For example, I understand he has already agreed to allow international experts examine the contents of the 3 laptops. If this information really stands up to neutral testing it automatically throws a burden on Chavez (and Correa) without Uribe needing to do anything further himself.

Similarly, if the allegations of funding/arming the FARC appear convincing there are other aggrieved parties as well as Colombia. The Venezuelan people for example who may well wish to ask difficult questions of their president. In this day and age the unofficial transmission of privileged information has become an artform...thus, simple enough to pass any incriminating data on to opposition groups and let them perform their role.

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robi666 says on Mar 10, 2008, 16:33:

Right fec,
Uribe has his hands tied about this, after the meeting.
But the US are already moving further...

Brownfield dice que la OEA y la ONU deben investigar computadores de Reyes

Fuente: Caracol 03/10/2008 - 15:09:00


El Embajador de los Estados Unidos, William Brownfield afirmò que su gobierno ha seguido con sumo interés las revelaciones que se han hecho sobre los computadores de alias de Raúl Reyes , de las Farc y que es importante que todos los países y la comunidad internacional conozcan de esos documentos con transparencia para que a todos les llegue la misma información.

Brownfield, quien fue condecorado por la Cámara de Representantes con la Orden de la Democracia, Simón Bolívar considerò que los organismos internacionales como la OEA y la ONU, debe disponer de información para tomar las medidas que les parezca indicada.

El diplomático celebrò el acuerdo a que llegaron el viernes anterior en Santo Domingo los Gobiernos de Colombia, con Ecuador, Venezuela y Nicaragua y anotò que esa era la salida mas viable.

Señalo que la Comunidad Internacional como la OEA y la ONU estan en la obligaciòn de defender dos principios: El primero el de la integridad y la soberanía de los territorios y la segunda que ningún paìs debe servir de refugio o santuario de terroristas, pero que los dos principios deben ir ligados y no se puede aplicar el uno si el otro.

Explicò que el rechazo de los paises a apoyos a grupos guerrilleros no es es una decisiòn de Estados Unidos sino de todos los miembros de la OEA que han firmado convenios donde se comprometen a No ofrecer esa clase de respaldos.

Sobre los tres norteamericanos secuestrados

El embajador de Estados Unidos tambien se refiriò a las declaraciones entregadas en Caracol Radio por alias Rojas, quien dio muerte a Ivan Rios de las Farc cuando sostuvo que la organización al margen de la ley no tiene interes de entregar a los tres nortamericanos secuestrados.

Señaló que ojalà alias Rojas se equivoque o no tenga razòn pero después de muchos años no solo los estadounidenses sino todos los secuestrados tiene derecho absoluto a la libertad y que espera que la guerrilla de las Farc en los próximos dias o semanas, acepten el mensaje de millones de colombianos que en febrero pasado y el 6 de marzo rechazaron mediante marchas todas las formas de violencia.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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Lisa Zee says on Mar 10, 2008, 16:35:

Ya me preguntaba yo lo mismo, como asi que hacerse el bobo, nada que manden a ese maldito orangutan al demonio, que lo pasen al papayo; y que me maden a mi su mano, mejor dicho la cabeza! y que juegen un partido de futbol con ella en Cali!!!

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Rikito says on Mar 10, 2008, 17:17:

I am not completely sure about this, but

Bush is currently investigating the procedures and steps to go through to declare Venezuela a State that sponsors terrorism. So what. BFD! Let ‘em, Chavez…he don't care and he will just cut off oil to the U.S. But, wait bucky there's more! What does it mean when a country is put on the evil list of terror sponsoring states?

1) The U.S. government will not do business with Venezuela who is one of two countries that has the routine capacity to process sour (high sulfur) crude. The other country is Canada and they only have a few large refineries that can process sour crude.
2) Private companies like Citgo & 7Eleven are forbidden to do business with Venezuela and (drum roll please).
3) Governments and private businesses that do business with the U.S. will not be allowed to do business with Venezuela and maintain their contracts in the U.S.

So…have you noticed that Chubby is demanding that Ingrid be freed? Have you noticed that they just captured a Colombian/Mexican/?? drug trafficker? Have you noticed how quickly Chubby withdrew his army from the Colombian border and immediately restored diplomatic relations with Colombia? Have you noticed how complacent the Chubber was during the Rio discussions? If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck….etc.

Quack!

It is not life that matters, but the journey.

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chrispej says on Mar 10, 2008, 20:03:

"Is it wise for Uribe to forgive Chavez and keep good relations with Venezuela, or should Uribe seek the arrest of Chavez."

It's my understanding that Uribe said he would not pursue prosecution at the moment, he said nothing about forgiveness.

Stayed tuned...The Bugs Bunny "That all folks!" jingle hasn't played yet........

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Man Tequila says on Mar 10, 2008, 20:07:

Colombia and Venezuela have a lot of trade. Uribe can not exactly arrest Chavez, but I'm sure forgiveness will take a long time coming. I don't think there is a lot to gain by using more inflammatory rhetoric at this stage.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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