Shipping the motorcycle.......temp permit

vicshere says on Aug 8, 2007, 16:32:

its not that simple....you will have to leave a nice deposit on the bike at the DIAN...plus you will have to pay the SOAT insurance....remember those customs agent charge a pretty penny to complete those DIAN forums

listo

RAAAY says on Aug 8, 2007, 17:47:

...any idea what is a " nice deposit "..................... and what might a " pretty penny " be........................thanks for your help........
SOAT insurance.............??

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vicshere says on Aug 8, 2007, 17:56:

what kind of bike is it

listo

RAAAY says on Aug 8, 2007, 18:01:

Honda Goldwing..........

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vicshere says on Aug 8, 2007, 18:27:

I am going to guess but I would say 4,000 k US dollars in deposit and the documents you can throw about 200 to 330 bucks at it

listo

RAAAY says on Aug 8, 2007, 18:42:

??????????????................shhhiiiiitttttttttt...................any idea how I can get an accurate figure.....??

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

vicshere says on Aug 8, 2007, 18:45:

if the bike is stolen your out your deposit ..... your shipper in Miami should a broker in Colombia probably Bogotá...then the documents are sent to a customs agent.....as far as I know...remember your bike is worth...depending on the year ...40-50 million pesos...so all deposits are based on that value

listo

RAAAY says on Aug 8, 2007, 18:52:

agggghhh...............I have until tomorrow to change my mind.............I better try and find out what this damn thing is going to cost...........many thanks

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RAAAY says on Aug 8, 2007, 19:50:

.....Colombia....Colombia....Colombia............it seems that no matter what you hear.......... or are told ...............about how to go about a certain procedure ............you will meet someone else who will give you completely different advice.................below is a piece from some guy's motocycle travel blog.............On Friday May 18th 2007 he entered Colombia from Venezuela at Cucuta..............all throughout his blog he goes into huge detail about every dollar things cost him..............getting a permit into Colombia...$0................now I'm back to square one..............here is a piece of his blog on arriving in Colombia........



At 2:00 PM, Colombia time, several of us entered the compound and found the window with a clerk behind it who passed out forms to fill out.



The cue of people who were trying to do the same as myself got all mixed up but it did not matter. One couple got in front of me and it took at least a half hour for the single clerk to read all of their paperwork and approve it. But as I said none of the sequence of order of this line of 6 of us who needed a special permission mattered.



The only clerk who looked at the paper work presented to him and approved it had to look at every single document. I thought I had everything and the necessary copies but when it came to my turn, he said I was missing a copy of my passport immigration entry stamp which I just got. I was told to go get a copy. Luckily, there was a copy entrepreneur about three blocks away. And they took Bolivar money. Keep in mind, I still do not have Colombia pesos.

I rushed back to the customs office and he let me turn my copy into him without waiting in line. How nice of him.



TWO hours later the line in front of this customs officer keeps growing and more and more people are walking away with approval permits. Six of us are still waiting. We are waiting for this single customs office to go and inspect our vehicles for the VIN and make sure it matches the paper work. So we wait and wait and wait until all of the other people who do not require a
VIN inspection to be processed. Finally, at 5:00 PM this one man gets out of his office and walks outside to inspect the vehicles. I thought I would be called but he did nothing to indicate to follow him. Then the six of us began realizing he was going outside to inspect the vehicles and one of the men helped me and told me to go outside. When I got outside, my KLR was not parked in the line of vehicles that were in front of the street vendors and I as told by the nice guards to move it over to the right place. The customs man saw me trying to get parked so he could inspect and then helped me get in line.



The customs man took some ink die and painted my VIN on the frame. The VIN is very hidden. He then put a plastic strip over the VIN and transferred the alpha numeric raised numbers to the plastic strip. It took him three tries to get it right.



I then took the plastic strip back to a typist who verified it matched what she typed. It did not, she typed the permit incorrectly. I also noticed she did not type in my passport number correctly. After a few more interruptions from other people who where having similar problem, I was the last person to receive my vehicle permit. It was now 6:00 PM. This is my worlds record time of 5 hours to get a vehicle permit.

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RAAAY says on Aug 8, 2007, 19:54:

Thanks Ken...............I had not read your post before I added the post above.................my understanding was 3 months is the total time you can get.....................Many thanks..........I'll try and reach Paul by phone in the morning............

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vicshere says on Aug 9, 2007, 05:54:

Ken can I ask you how you know I am full of shit when I just took a big ass dump thinking of you.....please all-knowing moto god ken .....how about you sharing your knowledge of bring a bike into Colombia >>>>" I own another moto now that i brought in from the USA (KTM 950) and paid all the taxes because I was tired of driving to the border to renew the paperwork every 6 months for the temp"

listo

vicshere says on Aug 9, 2007, 09:41:

hey Ken
In North America specifically, the only organization authorized to issue personal tourist vehicle Carnets for Canadian, Mexican, and US-registered bikes, is the Canadian Automobile Association (CAA). As of 2000, the CAA charges a non-refundable CD$350 for the Carnet itself, an additional CD$150 (unused balance refundable) for costs, and a minimum CD$5,000 bond on any USA vehicle (Canadian bikes=CD$2500) by bank letter of credit, VISA/MC, certified cheque or money order. The CD$5,000 is refunded when the Carnet document is returned to CAA, 'discharged' by Customs to show that the bike has been returned home. You get the bond money back, but without interest. There is also a lengthy application procedure and document. In recent years, fewer than a dozen North American bikes annually have used personal tourist vehicle Carnets, in part because the procedure is itself costly and time consuming. A Carnet usually makes sense [only] if you are taking the bike on a lengthy trip that includes a number of different countries.

listo

vicshere says on Aug 9, 2007, 10:25:

a new bike thanks so much for your help....anyone can bring in a new bike bud....or a new car.....try bring a used bike....no answer

listo

vicshere says on Aug 9, 2007, 11:01:

by the way your website has very little useful information about getting a bike into Colombia
http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/

listo

Tinto (Moderator) says on Aug 9, 2007, 12:10:

In order to have a helpful exchange of information and to avoid arguments and insults, in the future, please change sentences like the one below to something along the lines of: "Vic's experience is different than mine, here's what worked for me."

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"Ken says on Wednesday August 8th, 2007 19:46:
Vicshere is full of shit and doesn't know what he is talking about."

BAQ says on Aug 9, 2007, 16:29:

you guys crach me up. Everyone os so stucl on wanting to ship something here. Just suck up and buy a new one while you are here, and sell it if you ever leave. Importing something SPECIAL spells disaster.. Firts, buy a BIG BIG BIG sign in spanish that says STEAL ME FIRST and place it on your car, truck SUV or motorcycle. Then, when you need a part for repair, sit back and wait and pay the IMPORT TAX on the part, plus shipping ect.

Anyone one to place a bet on how long it takes for that goldwing to get stolen. I know I know, you are going to keep it in the garage and under lock and key.

What those of you who do not live here FAIL TO UNDERSTAND and many of us keep trying to tell you is that THIS IS COLOMBIA. If someone decides they want your scoot, or your car, or your suv ect., two guys on a motorcycle will meet ya at the red light, day or night, people or no other people around, it doesnt matter and they will very nicley place a pistol against your head. if you dont move fast enough you get shot, if you do move fast you still MIGHT get shot, depends on their mood. You think I am joking, I am not, I LIVE HERE, see this crap every week in the news, and this is for LOCAL cars, trucks ect. Two days ago, a 17 yr old got his brains blown out over a 20 dollar cell phone. And if you think this is the EXCEPTION to the rule, ok, but its not.

Those of us who LIVE HERE keep trying to give those of you who dont GOOD INFO but no one seems to want ot listen.

Good luck with your trip and be careful.

PS. If you dont think I am serious, just ask your loved one or whoever you are coming here to see and see if they dont tell you EXACTLY what I just said.

Semper Fidelis !

RAAAY says on Aug 9, 2007, 20:11:

Ken.................let me know were your bar is.........I'll be there with the Goldwing............and if the damn thing is stolen from outside I'll get a taxi home.................and BAQ..........home is in Colombia..............so why don't you join me in Ken's bar.............my bike will be arriving here Monday or Tuesday..........we can sit in Ken's joint and see how long it takes for the f--kin thing to get stolen.........................
All the best..........................

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RAAAY says on Aug 10, 2007, 09:23:

.....no pm as of yet Ken................looks like I'm going to have to embark on a pub crawl around Medellin................how long will it take me to find your joint........and what condition will I be in when I do..........?

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BAQ says on Aug 10, 2007, 10:01:

OK STUDENTS, now take notes

BAG GUY 101 -

1. Owns a bar
2. Has Paramilitary aka narcodic trafficers, paid assasins, as friends
3. Lives in barrio controlled by one of the paramilitary groups
4. Knows the right people to get items into the country without paying the legal taxes, also known as smuggeling

Sounds just like the type of honest person I would want to hang around.

YES, CLASS DISMISSED, THANKS FOR THE EDUCATION.

Semper Fidelis !

BAQ says on Aug 10, 2007, 10:12:

RAAAY, my apology, you wont have any problems, park it anyplace you like, you will be fine

Semper Fidelis !

vicshere says on Aug 10, 2007, 10:14:

Hey BAQ my thoughts exactly.....you know I have been trying to bring my 30 year old bike (Suzuki 850cc 1979) from Canada for 5 years now...and various times guys on here say it can be done...I am still waiting for someone anyone to tell me how I can do it....I am willing to bend over backwards to....if you have the money to buy a new bike in the US and then go through the trouble of bring it into the country why not just buy a new one...a new bike around 600cc should be had for about 20,000,000 and you know you can get parts for it...I have my eye on a Suzuki 650 highway police type bike 2004 the guy is asking for 14,000,000.....sure better than my 125cc hog

listo

RAAAY says on Aug 10, 2007, 10:22:

..............my my ...................BAQ.............you are a tad testy today.............you climb out of the wrong side of the bed this morning..??

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vicshere says on Aug 10, 2007, 10:26:

RAAY what I would like to see is a real report after you bring your bike in and then leave with it...but I think if anything negative happens we will not hear about it

listo

RAAAY says on Aug 10, 2007, 10:28:

Hey Vic............someone told me once that there is some way of bringing in older bikes.............don't know how true it is......something to do with classics or historical or something...........there is a guy down by San Diego mall here that has a collection of older bikes that keeps getting bigger..............anyway...like I say..............I've no idea how true this is...........but I'm sure some Harley guy would know............

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JorgeBogota says on Aug 10, 2007, 10:45:

I have to agree with BAQ on this one. I do not know where the other fellow is living but it must be a very secure neighborhood. The car and motorcycle theft problem in Colombia is one of the worst in the world. Colombia is the only place I know where the insurance companies pay to have the license plate number of the car or motorcycle engraved on all the parts, the glass, ect to try and keep the thefts down. Just because your motorbike is on of a kind wont prevent it from theft. MOTORS are a hot item, I can see the thief taking your Honda only for the motor and possibly the tires. The other type of thief would use it as a play toy up in the mountians, away from the city in a smaller pueblo.

Also, when you ship parts into colombia, you must state the tpye or item and the value and DIAN usually requires payment of import tax.

RAAAY, if I might suggest, ask the cops and the LOCALS what they think when they see your motorbike regarding the % chance of it being stolen. JUST BE CAREFUL and remember you are in Colombia. GOOD LUCK !

RAAAY says on Aug 10, 2007, 15:23:

Some people will not fly because there is a chance of the plane going down.............some people will not ride motorcycles because it comes with certain dangers...........some won't climb mountains or scuba dive because of the dangers..........I fly planes...... climb mountains.......scuba dive and ride motorcycles.............the way I see it.........if s--t is going to happen....well....it's going to happen.............If I come back to where I parked ...........and there is an empty spot where my bike used to be....................... and all I am left with is the ignition key and fond memories......well......so be it........I'll go for another beer and whine a little..............I just don't believe in the notion that you should not have something or do something......because of what might happen......................there are 100,000 bikes stolen every year in the States..........that's way more than here, even per head of capita............everything comes with a little risk..............f--k....have you ever tried to walk across the street in Laureles..?

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

RAAAY says on Aug 11, 2007, 16:02:

..........Ken .....didn't receive the PM..............perhaps you might try again...........

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vicshere says on Aug 11, 2007, 16:15:

hey RAY
for a guy who was worried about the amount of the deposit on the bike and the costs

""RAAAY says on Wednesday August 8th, 2007 18:42:

??????????????................shhhiiiiitttttttttt...................any idea how I can get an accurate figure.....??""

I don't understand why you wouldn't have a worry in the world if you bike is gone when you come back to where you left it
or maybe I misunderstood

listo

RAAAY says on Aug 11, 2007, 21:01:

You just don't get it....do you...................
If I discovered my bike was stolen................I wouldn't worry about it.........what's the point......it's ALREADY gone....

You ...on the other hand........won't cross the street IN CASE a bus might come along..........

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vicshere says on Aug 11, 2007, 22:05:

you didn't answer my question ray
why were you worried about costs and then later you weren't worried about losing your motorcycle? doesn't make sense

listo

Gaijin says on Aug 15, 2007, 15:59:

you can't do that no more, colombia law came out july 30th to only allow neighbor countries to have the access to the temp. permit.

Gaijin says on Aug 15, 2007, 16:10:

sorry i informed all of you wrong i guess its only for automobiles from what i heard just now.