Shakira jumps the shark

ColombianoX says on Jun 10, 2005, 19:03:

Well, I happen to think that 'Fijación Oral' is AWESOME!! I recommend everyone who is reading this right now to get up and go buy it right now (if it's not sold out yet). As usual our talented Shakira has delivered another great album.


ColombianoX

'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

ColombianoX 'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

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Caballista says on Jun 10, 2005, 21:04:

Shakira's work!!! She is a very hard worker and great person. The comments by a Mexican girl, in a Mexican program from a Mexican Channel? Not the best source to judge.

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Miguel says on Jun 11, 2005, 03:26:

Shakira On Univision's "Despierta America" 6.10.05 was really, really good, not to mention really, really hot!

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kernow62 says on Jun 11, 2005, 06:12:

In total agreement Miguel, I can see her new dance move being copied on dance floors around the world. Yeah baby !!!

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Miguel says on Jun 11, 2005, 06:28:

Damn Right Jimbo I alerted Elmo in NYC right before the program started. After she danced, he vowed he was going to put extra miles on his bicicleta so he could do that move. I loved her response, when asked what she missed most about Colombia while she was on the road..."La gente y mojarra frita".

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Mr. Hollywood says on Jun 11, 2005, 09:33:

2 cents Personally, I think Shakira jumped the shark when she recorded that horrid album in English.

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greenday says on Jun 11, 2005, 09:56:

Hey cplu2 What's your problem with Shakira??? This is the second post where you've bashed her "prominent teeth"...what's up with that??
What's wrong, did you send her some fan mail and she didn't reply??
You look like a jerk criticizing her looks and her music here, since the "in the know" people on this forum have no doubts she is a beautiful woman and a musical genius.
Post up a picture of your girlfriend so we have some kind of an idea what a beautiful woman is to you.
So, try to have a good weekend despite of Shakira's ugly teeth and terrible musical talents!!

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Miguel says on Jun 11, 2005, 10:12:

G-day ¡Bien dicho! All of her "assets", musical and physical, seem to be just fine, including her teeth.

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Cplus2 says on Jun 11, 2005, 12:29:

Por que todavia no esta aqui? The discussion seems to be more about patriotic feeling, which is fine, than about Shaki's songs. Has anyone else listened to the new album and been charmed by a song other than La Tortura? Un dia de enero, one of the better ones, might just qualify for elevator music. Does any song have the lyrical energy of Estoy aqui?
If there is a real deterioration, perhaps it is because she has been cut off from el pais, the source of her musical inspiration. Is it necessary that Shaki lives outside Colombia? Why don't Thalia and Paulina Rubio have to live outside of Mexico?

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greenday says on Jun 11, 2005, 13:53:

Cplus2 As muscial artists become more successful and as they grow they have alot more freedom in the type of music they write and perform. No successful artist is going to write or record music just for their fans, they are going to do it for themselves and for art's sake.
In the history of recorded music, every artist from the Beatles, Sinatra, Elvis, Springsteen, U2, have put out albums that were negatively reviewed by some critics. Thank God that Shakira isn't so tied into the main stream, and she can grow as an artist...I would never expect her or any other artist to put out the kind of music I want to hear...I have to respect their genius and accept the fact that what's in their musical heart isn't always going to be pleasing to me. So cut her a little slack...
Hey, I'm still waiting to see the picture of your girlfriend...you know, the one with the beautiful teeth...post up!!!

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jun 11, 2005, 14:04:

I love La tortura by Shakira, I haven't heard the other ones, but I always like her Music anyway, and I think she is stunning.
BTW Thalia is Plain Rubbish, and Paulina Rubio just wants to copy Shakira
.

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toneloc24 says on Jun 11, 2005, 14:29:

La Tortura is a good song. I dig it, both versions. I've heard only a couple other tracks on the album that even warrant mention. The rest are pretty ho-hum, no soul. I expected more the Barranquillera.

She needs to return to Currumba more often to get back in touch with her soul.

Until then, I'll be cherry-picking those other 2 songs from ITunes. Forget buying the album!!!

"PBH is dead!!!!"

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treeshark2 says on Jun 11, 2005, 15:32:

What do you mean What you mean when you say "has jumped the shark"" ???????????

I am just a dumb gringo Tiburon

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Cplus2 says on Jun 11, 2005, 15:48:

Jumping the tiburon This is a slang phrase. It means over the hill, past its prime, out of style and originates from an episode of a popular tv series whose decline was dated from an episode where a leading character did jump over a shark. The series never recovered.

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greenday says on Jun 11, 2005, 16:02:

I'm glad you clarified the definition because I wasn't exactly sure myself...

well, well, well...so Cplus2, you ACTUALLY think that Shakira is "over the hill, past her prime, and out of style"?? What the hell are you smoking boy???

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Tinto (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jun 11, 2005, 16:05:

The TV series was "Happy Days" and the character was "Fonzie" (he looked ridiculous on water skis with his chicken legs, swim trunks and a motorcyle jacket)



;-)

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treeshark2 says on Jun 11, 2005, 21:53:

Gringo Tiburon looking for new esposas Well Cplus2, you just ruined my year and marriage. Now I know those worthless esposas of mine have been making fun of me. I realise that I am over the hill, past my prime, and out of style; but they should not tease me about it.
Well I have just divorced them and will find me some new ones. Poor old over the hill, past my prime and out of style Tiburon is going to PARTY and celebrate his new freedom.
Move over Shaki and we will both jump the shark.

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bufalo says on Jun 12, 2005, 04:41:

I think Shakira jumped the shark a loooong time ago. What is pop music anyway? Not too much about art, just selling to the masses. She moved to Miami, began to sing in English...get the picture? I saw her album cover yesterday here in Barcelona. Supposedly inspired by some mom and her baby. Why not take a picture of a real mother with her baby? Shakira isn´t a mother, nor resembles one. Seems really superficial to me. I forgot where "jump the shark came from". I know it was a TV show where someon jumped a shark or something, but which one?

"If you don't like it - lump it, take it down the road and dump it." - Archie Bunker played by Carroll O'Connor

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greenday says on Jun 12, 2005, 05:57:

moving to Miami Every successful Colombian artist whether it be Shakira, Carlos Vives, Juanes, Botero has left Colombia after making it big, not for art's sake, but for security reasons. Even the successful Mexican artists do this, ie. Juan Gabriel, Vicente Fernandez, Paulina Rubio et. al...all live in the U.S. Its' not that they want to leave their roots...plus the U.S. is the world center of the music business.

Now, if Shakira really wanted to sell to the masses, she would probably make another English recording, or maybe do some earlier style recordings. She probably has literally hundreds of non-recorded songs she has written that she could choose from...the fact that some don't like her new recordings is evidence that she isn't selling to the masses. She is doing the music that's in her heart right now...thank God that she has gotten beyond "moscas en la casa" (my favorite by the way)...

I read where Alejandro Sanz is exploring recording an all English album...I guess he jumped the shark also...

Those who criticize Shakira haven't much knowledge of how the music business works, nor much knowledge of the artistry of song writing and recording.

Greenday
"Defensor de Shakira"

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Cplus2 says on Jun 12, 2005, 07:44:

Pau can be confusing Actually Paulina's home base now is Mexico, mainly because her novio is a Mexican designer, although she does have houses in Miami, Los Angeles, and Mexico and used to spend time in Spain where her previous novio lives. Because of her constant touring, it might be true to say that her home is an airplane.

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kernow62 says on Jun 12, 2005, 11:49:

Greenday, not all succesful Colombians leave, but you are correct most do for security. Andrea Echeveri still lives in Bogotá I believe, and while she is not as popular worldwide as those you mention she is extremely popular in the Spanish speaking world.

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Miguel says on Jun 12, 2005, 12:00:

Oral Fixation 2 Different songs, all in English, comes out in October.

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bufalo says on Jun 12, 2005, 13:51:

Actually I heard in one of Echeveri´s interviews that her group is way more famous outside of Colombia. She said something along the line of like "in comarison to other places, we are barely listened to here".

"If you don't like it - lump it, take it down the road and dump it." - Archie Bunker played by Carroll O'Connor

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Cplus2 says on Jun 12, 2005, 14:46:

Aterciopelado y otras Andrea's group Aterciopelado has been well known and liked in many latin countries for quite a few years. Her solo album and career is more recent. I have heard about three songs from her new album, and they have a lot going for them.
Another talented Colombiana cantante is Soraya, who, by the way, is also a breast cancer survivor.

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Albatross says on Jun 13, 2005, 02:46:

Huh ? Sure, she's cute, and infinitely more interesting than trash like Britney Spears or Jessica Simpson, but to call her a "musical genius" or compare her to the Beatles or U2 is waaay off the mark.

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

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greenday says on Jun 13, 2005, 03:36:

Albatross re-read my post again...I never compared her to the Beatles or U2...I said every artist has been criticized for some of the music they put out, and used them as an example.
regarding her musical genius...well, tell me my friend, what muscial instruments do you play, how many songs have you written??? How many songs have you written that have been hits in english & spanish??

Let me give you a definition of genius taken from Webster's dictionary (have you opened one up lately??)
genius: a single strongly marked capacity or aptitude...
or...a person with a high intelligent quotient.
I think,as it pertains to music, Shakira has a VERY high intelligent quotient.

Nice try Albatross...now, have a nice day!!

Greenday
"Defensor de Shakira"

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kernow62 says on Jun 13, 2005, 04:02:

Well said Greenday. If she was not writing her own music, her own lyrics I could see someone perhaps bashing her. However she is a rarity in that she does not only this but choreographs(sp?) her own dance moves, chooses her wardrobe. Plays instruments, sings in multiple languages. Incorporates many music styles....

I will agree and say she is a musical genius. I don't throw around terms like this loosely.

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kernow62 says on Jun 13, 2005, 04:07:

bufalo wrote: Actually I heard in one of Echeveri´s interviews that her group is way more famous outside of Colombia. She said something along the line of like "in comarison to other places, we are barely listened to here".

That is true, she is well known in Bogotá but they have quite an alternate scene. Aterciopelados is a really big seller in Mexico and Argentina where they also have huge local alternative music scenes.

Fot those that like alternative Latin music get your hands on Aterciopelados' last album and any later stuff by the Mexican group Kinky.

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greenday says on Jun 13, 2005, 05:37:

kernow62 it's very apparent that you know music...thanks for your input...

BTW: Albatross, I'm sure Shakira appreciates the fact that you think she is "cute"...
That girl ain't cute...she is "fine"!!!

Greenday
"Defensor de Shakira"

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Albatross says on Jun 13, 2005, 06:59:

Greenday By choosing the Beatles, U2 ect. as examples, you were in fact making an implied comparison. You should at least stand by your own words. And since you asked, I've played both keyboards and drums. I've spent most of my life immersed in music.

Of course I've never had a hit single or anything close... and neither have you.

And Kernow, I don’t think that failing to see someone as a “genius” is bashing them. Do you actually think she’s a genius because she picks out her own clothes, speaks some English and plays guitar ?

Shakira may be famous, and even talented... but she is no musical genius.

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

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ColombianoX says on Jun 13, 2005, 07:17:

"Do you actually think she’s a genius because she picks out her own clothes, speaks some English and plays guitar ?"


No one is saying Shakira is a genius because she "speaks some english", but because she can compose in BOTH spanish and english! I would have loved to see the Beatles or U2 do that!


ColombianoX

'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

ColombianoX 'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

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greenday says on Jun 13, 2005, 07:35:

ok Albatross Here's one maybe YOU can relate to...

most major artists including Milli Vanilli, the Partridge Family, and Barney and Friends have been criticized now and then for the music they have put out.

Now, maybe you can relate...have a great day!!


Greenday
"Defensor de Shakira"

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Albatross says on Jun 13, 2005, 07:36:

Well, you asked... "Sont les mots qui vont tres bien ensemble
Tres bien ensemble"
- The Beatles, in the song "Michelle"

"Uno, dos, tres . . . . . catorce!"
- U2, in the song "Vertigo"

See how easy it is ?

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

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Colombiche says on Jun 13, 2005, 07:46:

On a Happier Note Did you guys know that people used to call Colombia's expresident Pastrana "Shakiro"?

Porque es:

"Bruto, ciego , sordomudo,
Torpe, Traste, testaduro.."

y todavia se pregunta "Donde Estan Los Ladrones???"

HA HA HA HAAAA, I'm so freaking funny, I kill myself. I have to run the ladies room, excuse me.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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toneloc24 says on Jun 13, 2005, 09:43:

CX C'mon man, you're not serious, are you?

By your definition of "genius," the likes of Boyz II Men, P Diddy, and Christina Aguilera are geniuses. I think most would say, NOT!!!

"No one is saying Shakira is a genius because she "speaks some english", but because she can compose in BOTH spanish and english! I would have loved to see the Beatles or U2 do that!"

"PBH is dead!!!!"

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caslug says on Jun 13, 2005, 11:36:

So what would you call.. Mozart, Elvis, Freddy Mecury, or Ray Charles? All whom had huge influences on future generations their works lasted beyond their lifetime. SuperGenius. Granted, Sharkira is very talented, Plus she's also still young, she may someday put it into another gear and create some fantastic, life changing work that will rank her with the greats. for now, she' another talented singer/songwriter. This is not a slam on her, after all how many artist cannot get airtime with their works.

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ColombianoX says on Jun 13, 2005, 11:57:

"By your definition of "genius," the likes of Boyz II Men, P Diddy, and Christina Aguilera are geniuses. I think most would say, NOT!!!"


Toneloc,

Those people didn't write the lyrics to the songs in spanish themselves, but Shakira did write her own songs in english, a language she was still learning at the time!


CX

ColombianoX 'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

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toneloc24 says on Jun 13, 2005, 12:06:

CX You're funny.

Shakira is talented, without question. Genius, not even close. And that is not a slam on her at all. I actually like the chick and her music. But I'm sure that neither she nor her people believe she's a genius.

Man, you are funny!!!

"PBH is dead!!!!"

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caslug says on Jun 13, 2005, 12:31:

COLX.. If you define someone as "musical genius" it is her "musical" that is judge NOT anything else. Ray Charles is judged by his work, NOT because he was blinded while composing it, Freddy was judged by his worked NOT because he was dying of AIDS while composing it. Bethoven was practically deaf when he wrote many of his later works(9th symphony IRC & MOre), historian call his a genious SOLELY ON HIS WORK. If his stuff sucks, he wouldn't have been remember as a genius, hardship or handicap don't figure into the "rating".

No one is taking anything away from Shakira, no one is saying she isn't smart, talented or hardworking. What about Juanes or Carlos Vives? Are they Genius too? Judge Shakira by her existing work. I may be wrong here, but has she sold more albums than Meduno or Ricky Martin? No one is considering those guys genius.

Otherwise, everyone that had to overcome difficulties or handicaps to achieved something would be consider genius. Then that terms loses it's significances. Should we say farmers in COL are "genius" because they are able to farm DESPITE lack of resources and conflicts? Or how about COL college students that get there degree DESPITE taking hour bus, working full time, and caring for their family, are they genius? too..

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kernow62 says on Jun 13, 2005, 12:34:

I would hardly call Elvis a musical genius, most of his music was lifted from black artists that did far superior versions of the songs themselves. Big Mama Thornton for example, that's singing with some soul not that watered down crap Elvis played.

Musical genius to me are folks like Taj Mahal, David Bowie, Adrian Belew. If you want to check out some inspired musicianship check out some of Belew's solo guitar orchestrations where every part of an orchestra including percussion is played on a heavily processed guitar.

Shakira is many steps above most mainstream singers it is ridiculous, I noticed her talent long before she started singing in English, before she mixed in Middle-eastern influences, before she dyed her hair blonde, back when she had a unique brand of Latin rock (it was far from pop). She will leave a lasting legacy of music just as valid as those artists many consider to be legends.

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greenday says on Jun 13, 2005, 12:43:

I'd love to tell some of you guys to go F#&k yourselves, but I promised kat1 today I'd be sweet and kind on this board from now on...and I'll do anything for her...

I still think Shakira is a musical genuis...

Sincerely,

Greenday
"Defensor de Shakira"

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kernow62 says on Jun 13, 2005, 13:39:

What's your taste in music pray tell, Tinto?

You can PM me if it is the Backstreet Boys, I won't tell.

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Tinto (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jun 13, 2005, 13:47:

John Tesch and Yanni at the Acropolis. And for some really wild musica Latina, Charlie Zaa and Claudia de Colombia.

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kernow62 says on Jun 13, 2005, 16:19:

Wow a wild man!!!

Nothing tame about your tastes.

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jun 14, 2005, 07:54:

ahh, that is sweet Greenday :-), but you can go ahead :-)
kat1
Defensora de Shakira too

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Albatross says on Jun 14, 2005, 09:01:

Yo Adrian... I saw Adrian Belew at Toads Place in New Haven Connecticut in the spring of '92… the guy was absolutely unbelievable. And if Shakira ever rises to the level of King Crimson, Hendrix, Yes, Zeppelin, Tool, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Allman Bros, Joni Mitchell, Santana, Traffic, Eurythmics, Jefferson Airplane/Hot Tuna, Concrete Blonde, Dr Dre/Snoop, Little Feat, Grupo Niche, The Police, ELP, Miles Davis, The Smiths, Pink Floyd, Talking Heads, The Clash… ect.
Then one could argue that she’s a “musical genius”.

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

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kernow62 says on Jun 14, 2005, 11:57:

I think she has already reached the level of a few on the list.

It is interesting that we all have different musical tastes and so what one may consider genius another might not reckon. Take for example the Beastie Boys, I think they are genius, but if you only hear the stuff that gets radio play you would think I was crazy. If you listen to their albums you will see how really diverse their talent is, especially their later stuff.

How many people understand Robert Fripp?

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Albatross says on Jun 14, 2005, 12:16:

Thela Hun Ginjeet Three of a Perfect Pair was the very first CD I ever bought.
And I don't know if I understand Robert Fripp, but once in a while when wandering around Colombia,
this song of theirs (from Discipline) pops into my head:

"Well, first of all,
I couldn't even see his face.
I couldn't see his face.
He was holding a gun in his hand.
Umm... I was thinking...
This is a dangerous place...
This is a dangerous place..."

- King Crimson

But you're right... sometimes a genius to one is an idiot to another.

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

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kernow62 says on Jun 14, 2005, 12:43:

Love that album. Lark's Tongue in Aspic was my first KC album.

Best concert I ever saw was King Crimson Fripp/Belew/Levin/Bruford/Gunn/Mastelotto
The dual trio formation was fantastic although Fripp was behind the scenes as usual the rest of the band put on a hell of a show. Levin and Gunn provided plenty of bottom end punch and great finese and Bruford and Mastelotto worked great playing off of each other, and what can you say about Belew, mind blowing!

The opening act was California Guitar Trio, if you don't know their music you owe yourself a treat. How about Bach fugues for organ played realistically and adeptly on a trio of Ovation guitars.

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kernow62 says on Jun 14, 2005, 12:47:

theme song for PBH Elephant Talk

Talk, it’s only talk
Arguments, agreements, advice, answers,
Articulate announcements
It’s only talk

Talk, it’s only talk
Babble, burble, banter, bicker bicker bicker
Brouhaha, boulderdash, ballyhoo
It’s only talk
Back talk

Talk talk talk, it’s only talk
Comments, cliches, commentary, controversy
Chatter, chit-chat, chit-chat, chit-chat,
Conversation, contradiction, criticism
It’s only talk
Cheap talk

Talk, talk, it’s only talk
Debates, discussions
These are words with a d this time
Dialogue, dualogue, diatribe,
Dissention, declamation
Double talk, double talk

Talk, talk, it’s all talk
Too much talk
Small talk
Talk that trash
Expressions, editorials, expugnations, exclamations, enfadulations
It’s all talk
Elephant talk, elephant talk, elephant talk

- King Crimson

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Cplus2 says on Jun 14, 2005, 17:40:

Un titulo alternativo Quizas otro titulo del nuevo album podria ser Fijacion Dental?
Como creen?

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toneloc24 says on Jun 16, 2005, 20:53:

Shakira's teeth finally Someone was saying that she had big teeth or something? Actually, she has a very beautiful smile.

Check out the photo on this link to the report below.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/Music/06/16/music.shakira.ap/index.html

Shakira: 'Music is a language on its own'
Thursday, June 16, 2005 Posted: 2:44 PM EDT (1844 GMT)

NEW YORK (AP) -- Stardom in any language is old hat for Shakira.

A singer since she was a teen, the Colombia native has long been a sensation in Latin America and in many Spanish-speaking countries, selling millions of records with her sultry voice, rock-tinged anthems and belly gyrations.

Yet mounting a campaign for similar success in the United States proved to be more taxing than even Shakira anticipated.

"It was definitely a challenge. My knees were shaking when I was thinking about writing and singing in a foreign language," the blond diva told The Associated Press in heavily accented English as she recalled writing songs with a dictionary by her side.

However difficult it may have been for Shakira to make the language leap, her success translated very well: Her English-language debut, 2001's "Laundry Service," sold more than 3 million copies nationwide as she transfixed music fans with her alluring image and songs such as "Whenever, Wherever" and "Underneath Your Clothes."

"She was already a stealth star by the time English radio discovered her," Sean Ross of Edison Media Research, which tracks the radio industry, said in explaining her success. "She certainly had a very media-ready presence ... I heard her explained by a lot of people as the Spanish-language Alanis (Morissette).

But when it came time for the follow-up to "Laundry Service," Shakira decided to return to her native tongue.

Last week, she released "Fijacion Oral" ("Oral Fixation") -- her first album in Spanish since 1998's "Donde Estan Los Ladrones? (Where Are the Thieves?)"

"I know that releasing my Spanish record first is contrary to what the industry expected after the success of 'Laundry Service,' but really what my instincts dictated," the 28-year-old told The Associated Press.

"It was very important that also my non-Hispanic fans understood that singing in Spanish is such an important thing to me as well, because I had a career 14 years singing in Spanish. That's a very fundamental part of my artistic sensibilities."

Double project
Shakira's latest project has two parts; while a Spanish-language album was released first, "Oral Fixation Vol. 2" is slated for release in November. Although it will be all-English, it's not a duplication of "Fijacion Oral": The songs will be completely different.

"I found myself with the surprise that I had 60 songs, and I selected my favorite ones, which cut it down to 20, and I still thought it was too much music to put on one album, so I decided to make a double project," she said. "Some of the songs happen to be in Spanish, some of them happen to be in English."

While the first single, "La Tortura" with fellow Latin superstar Alejandro Sanz, has shot to the top of the Latin charts, it's also inching its way up the U.S. pop charts. The video for the song -- which features Shakira doing a torso-jiggle that would make a contortionist envious -- has gotten heavy rotation on MTV. And for the first time, MTV aired a "Making of the Video" about the clip exclusively in Spanish.

It's unusual for international artists who enjoy such crossover appeal with an English-language debut to return to their native tongue -- and even more unusual to then market it to a pop audience in the United States. When Ricky Martin and Marc Anthony released their Spanish-language albums after their pop successes, they were geared toward the Latin audience almost exclusively.

But Shakira thinks fans today are more open to listening to good music, whatever the language. Her album features production work from Rick Rubin, but also Gustavo Cerati of Soda Stereo fame. It has bossa nova touches, as well as rock and old-time pop influences.

"I think that little by little, the Hispanic audience can contribute to change old rules, to modify them. This is the moment for those things to happen, for music in Spanish to play on Anglo stations, or vice versa," she said. "Music is a language on its own, when it comes from the heart and when it's authentic."

Shakira, who hasn't been on the charts since 2003, joked that "people might think I've been scratching my belly or something like that because I've been out of circulation ... but in reality I was just working every day -- writing, producing, making demos, creating this album, giving birth to this baby ... actually, it's two babies, it's twins."

Besides, Shakira said, it was important to take time off to give her music a chance to marinate.

"The truth is that I don't make albums like hamburgers. I have to dedicate the time that music requires," she said. "Songs have needs, songs ask you for things, and as a producer, I have to maintain this dialogue with my own songs, to find out what they really wanted from me."

"PBH is dead!!!!"

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greenday says on Jun 17, 2005, 10:58:

thanks Toneloc although you disagree...the girl ia a muscial genius...I love her...

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toneloc24 says on Jun 17, 2005, 13:16:

Yeah Greenday I admire her work and her beauty. She is a gifted individual who makes good music.

However, GENIUS is too strong of a word to describe her music. On that we disagree. It cheapens the word, and that is not meant as a slight to her. But with the ill-placed usage of that word.

"PBH is dead!!!!"

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lockheed says on Jun 17, 2005, 13:43:

Shakira To me Colombia has nothing to prove in music, Colombia has the talent it is clear, just remember all those groups you fine people just mentioned, and don't forget the DR. Kike Santander. My Colombian other half listened to the new Shakira CD while I was covering my Jukebox routes this monday while I was putting Shakira in my Jukes and she told me La tortura is the only good song. I think Shakira went to deep artisticaly, its like when a paint expert sees a work of art, and you looking at the same paint sees a blotch of running paint.

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lockheed says on Jun 17, 2005, 15:00:

Where is the Bahamas home? Anybody knows on wich Island her Bahamas home is located?
Does she have her own studio, or she records from Chris Black's studio (discovered Bob Marley)?

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Cerealkiller says on Jun 17, 2005, 15:17:

In regards to the Shakira issue...I have never really liked her music except maybe for her earlier songs which are alright...Seems like Tinto and I share a weakness for certain very wild and talented colombian Musicians...
Seriously though, I dont think composing a song and making it have sense in two languages is that difficult...You can always have someone proofreading and her songs arent even that deep. However, if im clubbing and La Tortura comes up Ill dance it but thats a far as Id go. I had the chance to listen to the whole album earlier today and to be honest, I much rather like her previous things.
And before some start ranting n about her musical genius yadda yadda... she is talented and I think shes admirable in many of the things I have read about her, but that doesnt mean I have to enjoy listening to her tunes.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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caslug says on Jun 17, 2005, 15:24:

i like the song, but her dancing leaves.. much to be desired. It's just a bastardize version of the "robot". She danced much better in her past video IMO. Of course people who love SHakira unconiditionally will love whatever she puts out. Yeah, when she said the comment about she gets pleasure from her mouth.. that's to easy to comment on. ;-)!!!

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BxUnika says on Jun 17, 2005, 22:36:

Perdoname I love Shakira to death, but I was really disappointed. It seems a lot of the songs are monotonous and nothing too lovely. Por que?

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Cplus2 says on Jun 18, 2005, 09:36:

Shaki lives on an estancia in Spain The estate is large and has its own recording studio, where much of her work is done, including collaborations. The stay in the bahamas was temporary. She had bought a house in Miami, where she received a lot of help from the Estefans ( who better? ) in the business side of the recording industry, but put it on the market after the move to Spain , and a rumored finding of the novio in her house with a modelo americano.
She has family in Spain, including an older brother who is a medical doctor, and still has family in Miami, including a brother living in her house. Her father was born in New York and so has US citizenship.
I am sorry to say that I am in agreement with the others who have listened to the album and commented. It is not that the songs are bad, it is just that (other than the one with Sanz in different versions ) they lack the ritmo, vitality, and spark of so much of her work after Magia.
Maybe expectations were unrealistic. After all, creativity has its seasons, and quite a few years have passed since the previous work.
On the bright side, probably expectations for the album in English with different songs have been drastically lowered. If the songs in Spanish lacked ritmo and vitality, what is to be expected from Shaki singing in English? So it is possible that this album can at least be better than expected.

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lockheed says on Jun 18, 2005, 17:09:

Thanks Thank you Cplus2 for the info I would have gone snorkling all around the Bahamas for nothing.

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Cplus2 says on Jun 18, 2005, 17:56:

Watersports Warm water snorkling or diving is always good, it's never for nothing. I'm guessing your earlier reference to DR is the Dominican Republic. All the best Reggaeton music ( a lot from Puerto Rico ) is produced by Luney Tunes in the DR, and the best mixer/producer from there is Noriega. That's why you're always hearing them say Luney Tunes & Noriega on the tracks.

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