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Sex and cultural history

Colombia, as we know, has a hyper-sexualised popular culture: The womanising; the rampant marital infidelity; the huge amount of cosmetic surgery; the casual access to prostitution; the constant media images of almost inaccessible female beauty.

My question is: Was it always that way? If not, is it of recent provenance? A product of a post-60s/70s cultural sea-change, whereby the traditional hold of Catholicism and conservative family values has been loosened. Or was it always a place where sex was in the fabric and only lightly concealed by the veneer of 'respectability'?

To extend the debate: Is the rise of the various evangelical faiths, in part, a reaction to the prevailing body-culture? A reassertion (to put it crudely) of the 'spiritual' in the face of the 'earthly'?

Or, in fact, is the sexualisation of Colombian society largely a product of the media and the wishful (or jaundiced) thinking of a few thousand seedy gringo minds? And, in reality, is no different to anywhere else on the globe when it comes to such matters.

By kalder on Mar 1, 2007, 05:11 in Friendly Talkzone. AddThis Social Bookmark Button


elmodefoque says on Mar 1, 2007, 05:21:

Sex is rampant all over Colombia. If you can’t get it for free, then a few pesos will solve that problem. My only dissatisfaction with Colombian women when it comes to sex, they don’t know how to give good head. Gringas should come down and give them a few lessons.

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elmodefoque says on Mar 1, 2007, 05:25:

everything is under control, all systems are go.

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kalder says on Mar 1, 2007, 05:30:

Actually Snr. Defoque that Actually, Snr. Defoque that is a good point. A very good point.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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elmodefoque says on Mar 1, 2007, 05:38:

Colombia was a very die hard super duper catholic nation. Sexual feelings were suppressed for many generations. Poor kids in the Colombian coast resorted to having sex with burras while the rich kids had sex with their maids. Things began to change in the 70’s and the sexual revolution that America was enjoying since the 60’s had now reach Colombian soil.
In the last few years, colombianas have made a big strive to catch up to with their gringa sisters, though they continue to lack in a few things. Upper class Colombianas prefer their guys on the wimpy pasty side while gringas prefer dark mean modefoques . For most gringas drugs and sex go hand in hand while Colombianas prefer to be only drunk, nearly passed out. All the girls I nailed in Colombia were nearly comatose, hardly breathing.

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elmodefoque says on Mar 1, 2007, 05:47:

and when they do go down is nothing to write home about.

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utopiacowboy says on Mar 1, 2007, 06:01:

Well, it goes both ways. My wife says Colombianos don't like to give head. Personally I can't get enough of eating that nice ripe fruit.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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utopiacowboy says on Mar 1, 2007, 06:03:

If I can get into a chica's chiquito, I don't care if she gives me head or not. Not that many gringas will give THAT up.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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elmodefoque says on Mar 1, 2007, 06:10:

i'm a 50/25/25 guy. 50%oral, 25% standard sex and 25% anal

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poco says on Mar 1, 2007, 06:10:

Probably WORSE a long time ago Was it always that way?

I've checked on this. Yes. I've met family members 60 to 70 years old and the drinking, womanizing, gambling etc. was the same. It might have toned down in the last 60 years.

You can tell when Colombia has fallen on bad times. The numbers of new churches and houses of prostitution (bars) increases.

Existing churches have definitely gotten larger and I think there are more churches today than 5 years ago. Someone noticed these churches were making the "founder" rich and when a Colombian sees lots of money vrs. not much work many will get religion and sell it.

My one nightmare. A church opens next door or across the street. If I saw that happening I'd get with a Colombian, finance a bar and be a traveling recruiter looking for bar maids.

"When you men get home and face an anti-war protester, look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend, because she knows she's dating a pussy." Quote - General Tommy Franks

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elmodefoque says on Mar 1, 2007, 06:13:

jijijijij dirty sanchez, not sure what that is, but i had them urinate on my face a few times

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elmodefoque says on Mar 1, 2007, 06:22:

jijijijji that's sick!!
jijijijji that's sick!!

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southern151 says on Mar 1, 2007, 06:38:

I see an asterick coming next to this post real soon! .

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elmodefoque says on Mar 1, 2007, 06:41:

Esanch, though I wanted to see Diomedes real bad, them places were too fokin crowded. I can’t see myself in the middle of a bunch of young modefoques pushing and throwing beer at each other. Somebody was gonna get hurt, most likely me.
Some people have idols such as the Pope, Mother Theresa, George Bush, Margaret Thatcher, my fokin idol is Diomedes fokin Diaz. You can not possibly be any more corroncho than that guy. I’m extremely proud to say that we share another thing in common besides looking alike and coming from la Guajira. We shared the same young fine Guajira hooker.
When she told me one of her clients was Diomedes, I never felt so damn proud. I can’t believe this; I’m actually going in and out the same road where diamonds once traveled. The connection was magical.

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elmodefoque says on Mar 1, 2007, 06:43:

You gotta love this modefoque

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kalder says on Mar 1, 2007, 06:51:

I sincerely hope this thread isn't shut down.

I opened it in good faith to start a genuinely academic debate about Colombian cultural mores. And, personally, I've been very gratified with the results: Some posters have offered some fascinating and informative insights into the matter and there's been all sorts of fun answers as well. The kind of blend of the serious and the entertaining that keeps me logging on to PBH.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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kalder says on Mar 1, 2007, 06:56:

I've never understood this thing with Diomedes. My wife LOVES him. But while I really enjoy the likes of El Charrito Negro and Dario Gomez playing around the house, I can't stand DD. His sound just doesn't speak to me.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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elmodefoque says on Mar 1, 2007, 06:56:

Though I don’t touch that stuff, I’ve heard the best chit is sold in hooker/whore establishment. The business owners and hookers demand from house dealers their very best chit to keep clients happy and horny.

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elmodefoque says on Mar 1, 2007, 07:03:

i quit 3 days ago
i quit 3 days ago

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elmodefoque says on Mar 1, 2007, 07:06:

tomorrow i will celebrate my 4th day drug free.

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elmodefoque says on Mar 1, 2007, 07:16:

I’ve decided to STOP taking my "naprosyn" drug for my ailing herniated disk and my “fartazone� for my excessive flatulent problem

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treedoc says on Mar 1, 2007, 10:02:

sex experimentation No place like Brazil! Brazil is the sexual epicenter of the universe. Colombia is a distant 2.....But the Colombians are very nice and I am very smitten with them. Looking for the next Colombiana gf as a matter of fact. My spanish is wayy better than my portuguese......

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andresote says on Mar 1, 2007, 16:20:

Gotta disagree too - the Colombianas I have met were all a lot better and lot more keen at oral than girls from Australia and other countries, and not squeamish about 'cleaning the machinery after use'. But I haven't been with any chicks from the USA and maybe they're real filthy co at ksuckers... I think one difference is that Colombianas generally aren't 'easy' - you gotta put the work in or have the paisa gift of the gab to get round all the bases, whereas you just have to get gringas drunk...
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todo en la vida se paga

el mundo da vueltas y lo que haces puede recaer en ti mas tarde... todo en la vida se paga

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juanalejo says on Mar 1, 2007, 17:35:

Music Traditional music in Colombia no matter the region has a high sexual content in its roots. I think that says a lot. Obviously the sexual openess began in the 70´s but sex as an evident part of society and not a hidden part has been seen since pre-columbian times.

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adrimm says on Mar 1, 2007, 19:02:

I think that there is a difference in the expressions of sexuality and the gender roles of a culture.

My feeling & observation is that Colombia has historically been a place where beauty has been valued and there have been machismo attitudes - I do believe it is changing albeit slowly etc. Talk to Colombian grandparents, and there will always be the talk of the local town beauty, the girl who was reigning beauty queen etc, the prettiest sister in the family next door, etc. She might have been more covered up in her day - but she was still in style.

The actual way that sexuality is expressed has changed, some to do with what people feel is current styles and fashion (as dictated by celebrities), and some a more dramatic shift from conservative expression to liberal expression - ie since the 60s & 70s.

Consider some of the extreme things that people the world have gone through for beauty or vanity (ie super tight corsets, wigs, etc), and surgery becomes just the current, if distubingly invasive, one of those things.

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goin_south says on Mar 1, 2007, 21:51:

If my novia tells me she likes that SOB, Diomedes... I'm gonna throw her ass in the Rio de Cali next trip; that's some of the worse colombian music I ever heard. He sucks.

Ciao! Gustav. Bienvenitos, Ike.

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elmodefoque says on Mar 2, 2007, 05:46:

hey feliz, don’t worry, your novia is cachaca, chances are she don’t listen much to Diomedes. If she were costeña and heard you say that about Diomedes, I suggest you best not fall asleep, she will cut your throat in the middle of the night. For most cesteños/as vallenato and guys like Diomedes are like living fokin gods and the uglier the better.

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Monpirri says on Mar 2, 2007, 06:00:

The video and song? I like Diomedes Diaz but the video and music posted above has less than desirable wishes.

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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elmodefoque says on Mar 2, 2007, 06:07:

I have a strong connection to Diomedes; we are both from la Guajira of very strong Injun blood. They call him el Cacique (chief) and I’m called el modefoque (el HP) almost the same. We enjoy only low life stuff. He did time in jail and I visited prisons all over the northeast. He’s accused of being a notorious coke/perico head; I’ve been accused of that too. I never touch that stuff.
He likes to walk around with guns and PARACOs. Most think i'm paraco too, except this paraco works cleaning toilets in NYC.
And most important we share the same hooker. A pretty young Injun girl from Riohacha, with the best body anywhere in Colombia.

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elmodefoque says on Mar 2, 2007, 06:09:

this is my other favorite, except he seems a little drunk and high, Arroyo too.

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cali373 says on Mar 2, 2007, 06:30:

I reallly think how kalder described Colombian sexual culture really describes the sexual culture in the entire western hemisphere, with the exception of a few southern states in the U.S.

I really wish Colombians would dress better in videos. They just look so raunchy all the time.

Smile if you are a thinker!

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elmodefoque says on Mar 2, 2007, 06:40:

I had sex with one only one regular Colombian girl, later became my young wife, and all the rest have been hookers (“pros�)
To this date, best sex I’ve ever gotten was from blonde gringas and Puerto Rican girls. PUNTO!!!

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elmodefoque says on Mar 2, 2007, 06:50:

My next wife will be a trailer park gringa, but with all her teeth. I like sloppy dirty drunk sex.

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aztec says on Mar 2, 2007, 07:22:

Maybe... ...Peter needs to create another forum topic heading like "Locker room". Then some of us could feel much more comfortable with the discussions on sex.

In my case I thought I was very liberal and had tried every thing concerning sex. After reading this thread it seems I still have a way to go.

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gringolondinense says on Mar 2, 2007, 07:25:

well... i remember once having a discussion about red and brown wings. Pretty liberal if you ask me.

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elmodefoque says on Mar 2, 2007, 07:42:

I normally don’t do this, but in this case I must praise and commend the moderators for treating us like adults. In other forums, girls would have a tizzy fit and this thread would be gone. I don’t know the situation of many here but my job is very stressful and disgusting and it helps to let out some steam and it doesn’t always have to be about serious chit.
Soon we will get tired and bored with this subject and go on to different one, meanwhile reading about sex has not turned any of us into lunatics, I did not grow a tail and fangs.
The sun came up this morning so will the moon later tonight. Life continues whether we discuss filthy dirty sex or not. I don’t think anyone here got permanently traumatized.

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kalder says on Mar 2, 2007, 07:49:

cali373 Upon reflection, your remark that my description of "Colombian sexual culture really describes the sexual culture in the entire western hemisphere" makes a lot of sense.

When I came back from my first trip to Colombia and regaled my cronies with tales of sexual shenanigans, one of the guys looked up from his beer and said: 'bit like here then?'

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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elmodefoque says on Mar 2, 2007, 08:03:

I totally agree, is just like anywhere in the western hemisphere except in Colombia many gringos, including myself, no longer get the quality of females here in USA as we do in Colombia. Whether they see us as walking ATM machines or el Principe Azul coming to their rescue, the girls available to us are of much better quality in Colombia, mint condition with much lower mileage.
If I stay in USA I will have to settle with a woman closer to my age with a bigger stomach. On the plus side, we could share pants.

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elmodefoque says on Mar 2, 2007, 08:18:

I’m going into a most important meeting now but hope to come back and continue discussing this very interesting subject.
In this meeting I’m trying to implement and revolutionized the toilet industry. I want to computerize every single one of my toilet seats. It will detect, given all the right data, the users average quantity and type of fecal matter. Some chits are floaters others go right down like a german submarine. The computer would analyze this and release water accordingly, thus saving on unnecessary water waste.
Later!!!

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gringolondinense says on Mar 2, 2007, 08:25:

Mr Foque you have to implement your own BOG-CARD system. Each toilet user has to "swipe in" before they use the toilet. The smart card will also contain details of the holder, including diet, weight etc. The toilet will then adjust to the user. You could also introduce a sensor system - anyone weeing on the floor or cubicle will automatically get a ban.

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mvefwd says on Mar 2, 2007, 09:30:

Prepago I see this term often. Could someone explain it to me?

--E

No matter where you go... You are who you are...

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podborski says on Mar 2, 2007, 09:45:

I'm being traumatized by this thread elmo because I'm reading all this stuff and am not in colombia right now.

(But it's ok, I have ordered a nice colombian arepa to be airfreighted down here asap, 1 more week...)

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goin_south says on Mar 2, 2007, 12:28:

That guy is not a musician; diomedes. he's a f*kg clown. that's what you like about him. Why does he wear all that pig grease on his head?

My relationship is intact; I know she couldn't care for that slimeball. (But, I might be walking back to the room by myself, but she won't be far behind, ... because 'she knows how all those - other - young(er) Calenas are!)

Ciao! Gustav. Bienvenitos, Ike.

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Man Tequila says on Mar 2, 2007, 13:37:

This thread IS pretty traumatizing. I was traumatized by the red shirt in the second vallenato video. Not so much the locker room sex discussion. My poop undergoes enough natural variation (e.g. post aguardiente binge) that having a constant supply of water might lead to disaster. Que pena.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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goin_south says on Mar 2, 2007, 19:11:

E .

Ciao! Gustav. Bienvenitos, Ike.

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goin_south says on Mar 2, 2007, 19:12:

Elmodefoq I can go for the usual vallenato; I have a bunch of it. I think it was monpirri that posted a video a few days ago, some guys doing some of that. Most of it, I love it; Diomedes is a greaseball.

Don't dare me, esanch; if I ever get to Cartagena, I'm gonna run down the boardwalk screaming: "DIOMEDES SUCKS DONKEY D*CKS!"

Ciao! Gustav. Bienvenitos, Ike.

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Man Tequila says on Mar 2, 2007, 19:43:

In Cartagena they just might understand you. And leave you for dead in Getsemani. ;)

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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