scare mongering

LaloG says on Jan 13, 2005, 21:12:

Good point Don, your point is well taken. And you are wise not to name names. All that accomplishes is to set the ignorant ones off and they can be very pointed in their comments.
My partner and I left the US because of the fear being promoted by the government. We hated living in such cercumstances. To see the same mentality doing it here (where it´s uncalled for), is a bit sickening.
Colombia has problems of course, but so does the US, Britian, France, Spane, Italy, Greece, Iran, Iraq, Isreal, etc. etc. Oh I left out Germany. The point is that every country has some problem with crime, and now that the Bush Administration has stirred the kettle, terrorism has to be included in the problems.
If there were no WMD´s, then what other reason was there to open a second front in Iraq? Could it be the oil, and the billions Bush´s cronies are making on the war through non competitive contracts? You bet.
With the dollar sliding like it stepped on a Colombian banana peel, how long will it be before the average American can´t afford the things they have grown used to having in their cocoon of ignorance about their government? What will happen then? Is the tide of American consiousness changing? When Ferenhite 9/11 was voted the most popular film of 2004 by a people´s vote, will the population now begin to wake up to the tragedy of the Bush adminstrations manipulation of their minds using fear? We have to wait to see. . .
Can you believe the administration is actually proposing to ignore the Geneva convention treaty regarding human dignity and torture? I´d never imagined in my life time I would hear that especially of an American president. He´s no better than Saddam if they go that route. Well, actually we already know that they have gone that route. Don´t we.

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isaactraveler says on Jan 14, 2005, 04:31:

suggest you not use that movie as factual I also suggest that:

1. keep politics in the other forum
2. never use Farenheit 911 as a base for any arguement. Even the director said it was for entertainment purposes (read- don't sue me, I was just joking)

I do not log into this forum to read about opinions on politics, U.S., Colombian or otherwise.

Lastly, Don Negro, didn't you make your PBH debut as a "scare mongerer"?

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umm says on Jan 14, 2005, 04:45:

"but the scare mongerers' are good people too,"
where are scare mongerers like e.g. GeorgeW Bush good people????
can you tell me that?

UMM

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Lauthra says on Jan 14, 2005, 08:13:

I agree with Isaac... For the first and maybe last time in my forum life :P But everything's got a place and the friendly forum is not for political discussions, and I personally find it so mind numbing...

Nato ;)

Nato (='.'=)

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goosekirk says on Jan 14, 2005, 08:20:

F911 facts I have no interest in stirring up a pointless political debate, I just want to point out that Moore has a page on his site where he goes line by line through Fahrenheit 9/11 and provides the sources he used for his facts. They are reputable and, indeed, factual.

http://www.michaelmoore.com/books-films/f911reader/index.php?id=16

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Albatross says on Jan 14, 2005, 08:37:

Blah... I believe Mark Twain once said something like "Everyone talks about the weather, but no-one does anyting about it"... I've come to think the same about politics.

For how many years have "the people" been complaining about the guerillas or the government, but has anything really changed ?... and how in God's name is Bush still in office ???

And the fact that much of Fahrenheit 9/11 may be true doesn't change the fact that Moore is a demogogue.

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

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Gomezman5 says on Jan 14, 2005, 10:26:

Issac is correct----Please.. Keep the political side of things in the third discussion group. That is why it was created. Even, to the extent that politics is discussed at all here, I think it should be related if not directly, indirectly to Colombia in some way. Talkiking about Bush, WMDs, terrorism, Iraq and related simply is out of plce in a site called
PBH.

I am certain that there are hundreds of other sites where this subject can be debated until the next century, long after we are all gone.

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Gomezman5 says on Jan 14, 2005, 13:45:

Cochino666 Obsessed he is!!I can't understand why. What's most interesting is when he takes issues with what someone says here, like me or Gringoinbogota, he immediately accuses them of being like or supporting Bush. I wish I had the hotline to Bush like he thinks I have....

Yes obsessed he is. I just wish I knew what Bush ever did to him.

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Lionheart says on Jan 14, 2005, 13:47:

obsessed Whenever he takes off on that tangent he reminds me of zag.

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Thededalus says on Jan 14, 2005, 13:59:

My 2-Cents on Moore I know some of you guys hate the politics, but I had to comment...

I'm a liberal and very much NOT a fan of Bush, but to the Moore fans on this site:

He's a schmuck. Farenheit 9/11, Bowling for Columbine, his books... are all crap.

Also, if you want to find the "facts" on his movies, the last place you should go is his own website. Do a web search and you should find plenty of sites dedidicated to debunking his distortions.

Trust me, I used to like the guy, but after a little research I discovered that he is a mendacious a-hole just like Bush.

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Lauthra says on Jan 14, 2005, 14:02:

New Troll That's all cochino666 is... So pay no mind to him or whatever nonse he spouts...

Nato ;)

Nato (='.'=)

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utopiacowboy says on Jan 14, 2005, 18:56:

There's a new troll in town? Los Trolls are the only thing interesting about the site. Maybe you should just kick his virtual ass, Nato? Nato says "Death to Los Trolls!"

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Lauthra says on Jan 16, 2005, 08:40:

'Los Trolls are the only thing interesting about the site.'
I beg to differ, I find them really annoying and tasteless. I yet have to build up a troll tolerance.
Is it me, I don't mean to be rude, or are you turning into a troll? You used to have useful post, informative etc, but now you only reply to trolls comments? Is it because of the statement I used at the begining of this reply, you find them interesting?

Nato ;)

Nato (='.'=)

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isaactraveler says on Jan 16, 2005, 09:40:

lathra i think he still posts valid info it looks to me like he quit taking this site so seriously. meaning that he is again enjoying posting.

you just have to weed out the BS from the good stuff.

can i please see your underwear?

sorry

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lpdiver says on Jan 16, 2005, 09:54:

It is a hazard of the internet and a good site You stay on a site awhile and friendship develope. Kidding and joking start. Soon a post is made in reference to something posted months before and half are rolling on the floor laughing and the other half are incensed. With the moderation going on that I have observed I feel we have the best of both worlds here.

"cook some rice!"

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Gomezman5 says on Jan 16, 2005, 10:05:

Troll-a problem?? I see a bigger problem that operates........ Along the same lines, but the problem is more chronic in nature. A troll is more or less an accute problem--a person who comes here for the sole purpose of stiring up trouble for a period of time---and then moves on. I can live with that.

On the other hand, we have some people in this board that come here day after day, policing the board, discussion by discussion, looking for even the slightest sign that someone is saying anything derrogatory about Colombia. And then that person goes on the counter attack, not attacking the substance of your argument, but starts attacking you personally. I find these people far more annoying than a troll. And furthermore, I find them very detremental to the board in general.

This board, (at least I think so) exists to allow for the free flow of ideas about matters related or indirectly related to Colombian culture, and I don't think anyone should be subject to the kind of personal ridicule that I have seen. Even calling people a
"jerk", something short of profanity, should not be tolerated.

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Gomezman5 says on Jan 16, 2005, 10:25:

Don negro.....the names are unimportant I think you and others know who they are. They're quite known. Fortunately, there are not many of them. But....if you keep your eyes open,,,,you will see them. At least one of them signs off telling the whole world he is the crusader in defense of Colombia. Although, this person does not exactly use those words...but close. (that's a hint as to one of them).

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utopiacowboy says on Jan 16, 2005, 11:34:

From time to time, I'll post something I think is useful but which of course everyone else thinks is totally off the wall. I think anyone who is getting information from a website on what to do in their lives really needs their head examined. Anyone can post any kind of nonsense here so it's best to go with the flow and not get bent out of shape about it. Looked at in that light, yes, Los Trolls are kind of fun.

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Lauthra says on Jan 16, 2005, 13:10:

Yeah Like I said, I have to build up my troll defense, I guess I'm just being unreasonable, cos sometimes I joke about as well. It's quite hard sometiems to ignore the rubbish, but I suppose that's the way to go. Quite stupid actually, since I've told people to do so! Feeding the trolls it's bad though, very bad, I did it in another thread and Barry sure told me off.

Nato ;)

Nato (='.'=)

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utopiacowboy says on Jan 16, 2005, 16:55:

Barry told you off? Por que?

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Lauthra says on Jan 16, 2005, 16:58:

For Feeding the trolls, he thought it was stupid, and he has a lot of boards experience, and he know it just makes it worse.

Nato ;)

Nato (='.'=)

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utopiacowboy says on Jan 16, 2005, 17:05:

Well, yeah, it's stupid. I just find it hard to take this board seriously. Does Barry post on this board on his own?

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Lauthra says on Jan 16, 2005, 19:31:

No He did for a while, but not anymore, he already post on far to many boards and doesn't have the time.
I'm a bit sadden by how unserious it has gotten, it just keeps to be getting worse...
Nato ;)

Nato (='.'=)

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ColombianoX says on Jan 16, 2005, 22:28:

"They're quite known. Fortunately, there are not many of them. But....if you keep your eyes open,,,,you will see them. At least one of them signs off telling the whole world he is the crusader in defense of Colombia."

"looking for even the slightest sign that someone is saying anything derrogatory about Colombia"


Gomezman,

Why are you bothered by people who defend Colombia? Please explain this to me since it makes no sense to me why any colombian would be opposed to this. I will always continue to stand up for Colombia, and if that perturbs you, then I believe you are the one with the problem.

ColombianoX

'DEFENSOR DE LA COLOMBIANIDAD'

ColombianoX 'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

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umm says on Jan 16, 2005, 22:35:

I say, kick that mouth breather Bush out plus all these hollywood gangsters who display Colombia as criminal Country in all of their movies. If they need a bad guy, its most of the time a Colombian. Thats why everyone is scared and Colombia has a bad reputation.

UMM

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Gomezman5 says on Jan 16, 2005, 22:49:

And.....ColombianoX Good Morning to you too!!

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skyblue says on Jan 17, 2005, 06:47:

Fight back Why doesn't some smart, young, Colombian-American lawyers start fighting back at these people? I remember back in the day (the Godfather movie), there were a group of Italian-American lawyers that made Hollywood think twice about making movies that showed all Italians as mafia types. They change the way people viewed their comunity and it might work for the Colombians also.

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utopiacowboy says on Jan 17, 2005, 07:50:

Yeah, there were some Italian organizations that fought this image. Of course they turned out to be Mafia funded. And we still have "The Sopranos" now.

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ColombianoX says on Jan 17, 2005, 09:44:

"Why doesn't some smart, young, Colombian-American lawyers start fighting back at these people?"

skyblue,

That's a very noble idea, but unfortunately certain "colombian-american lawyers", prefer to go around critizing those of us who dare to defend Colombia, instead of attacking those who further tarnish her image.

ColombianoX

'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

ColombianoX 'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

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Gomezman5 says on Jan 17, 2005, 09:51:

How true!!! Certain Colombian American lawyers should be tried for crimes against the state!!

Off were their heads!!

And I will be the first to so put my head on the guillotine.
And cut my tongue out too, for speaking blasphemy.

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