Sat here all day waiting..............

gringoloid says on Apr 9, 2008, 16:24:

bump it up

El Polo says on Apr 9, 2008, 16:27:

maybe tuesday next week? :)

Frank Rizzo says on Apr 9, 2008, 16:29:

jajajaja.....well GL....that's the Colombia we all love.....manana is next week.....

goin_south says on Apr 9, 2008, 16:45:

oh, ... they're probably having a weeney roast with that gas stove, and talking:
...'un otro gringo, que vive en Colombia, pero no puede habla la lengua'...jejjje
..
.
thank God, for pbh, eh?

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

DodgerDogs says on Apr 9, 2008, 16:47:

Best time delivery time , spend 5 bucks for a p/u taxi.

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.Martin Luther King:

goin_south says on Apr 9, 2008, 17:00:

GL...
you know, murphy's law,...
if you would have went hustling some chicas, up & down the blvd,
or, over there at Santa Fe Choppin Mall,...
then they would have shown up with the stove.

Is La Zona Rosa open during the day? That would have worked ;-)

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

gringoloid says on Apr 9, 2008, 17:13:

that's right GS, if i had gone to the gym, then they would have been here while i was gone.

i could have brought it home myself......it would have fit in my suv.

i was lured by the 30.000 delivery price.

goin_south says on Apr 9, 2008, 17:29:

or, you could have taken your rik-sha to the store, and toted it back yerself....
gotten your exercise, and...
.. and spared yourself all that arguing with dillusionary pbh'ers like myself ;-)

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

adrienne79 says on Apr 9, 2008, 17:37:

that happened to us with a fridge and stove from Carrefour. They said Saturday...we waited all day in a brand new apt, with no furniture, no TV, no nada and they didn't show. Being Gringa I was pissed and wasn't going to tolerate it. We went up and talked to the manager. He remember us from when he sold it to us. We mentioned either getting our money back or else naming an exact time the next morning for delivery. We didn't think he would do either but sure enough he offered either / or. We chose for the next morning and they were extreemly punctual.

Rikito says on Apr 9, 2008, 18:07:

I am as gringo as it gets. I had the same problem with Alkosto. I alos learned what the worf manana means. It means not today.

It is not life that matters, but the journey.

arthur brode says on Apr 9, 2008, 19:36:

i had some personal effects that were delivered to me from Bogota.prior to the delivery i had given the delivery person my cell number to call me just incase if i wasnt home and i also got the delivery guys cell number too.had no problems and didnt have to wait around.

http://www.calirentals.net/

Robert Jorge says on Apr 9, 2008, 20:01:

It took me close to a month to get Internet service in Villavo. I tried 3 different providers, had several "no call, no show" missed appointments, until I finally got Telecom to hook me up. And that was a whole day process to make that apointment - which included physically going to the main Telecom office with the landlord. And all of those companies didn't even have my money yet. It seemed like no company actually wanted to make money or open new accounts.

Gloid - they have your money already? Be prepared for a LONG, frustrating fight to get that grill. I hope it doesn't happen like that. But my guess is the store will have no motivation to get you that grill until it is convenient for them. Unless you take extreme measures like showing up with a few guys who are local and know how to handle the store's management. What I mean by that is, they will be firm and aggressive, get pissed off - in Spanish. That's what was so frustrating for me, with getting a damn Internet provider to hook me up. If I could have conversed in English, I would have verbally torn them a new asshole. But I was dependant on my wife, who is polite to a fault and used to not getting decent service. Good luck buddy.

arthur brode says on Apr 9, 2008, 20:30:

But I was dependant on my wife, who is polite to a fault and used to not getting decent service.
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thats because most Colombians dont sweat the small stuff.
it took me like two months to get my internet service.
welcome to Colombia

http://www.calirentals.net/

robi666 says on Apr 9, 2008, 20:31:

I believe things are better in Medellin than anywhere else in Colombia.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

goin_south says on Apr 9, 2008, 21:08:

""thats because most Colombians dont sweat the small stuff.""
Aaaawh, come on A.B... all those colombianitas online profiles, claimin to be "detailistas'
Whazup Arthur?

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

arthur brode says on Apr 9, 2008, 21:37:

dude,do you even know what a detallista is?
a detallista is a person who does gestures of consideration for another

http://www.calirentals.net/

christobeldawg says on Apr 9, 2008, 21:43:

is that it arthur, for certain? Every woman says that is what they want, and I never could get a straight answer on what it actually meant. Everyone assumes that it means detail oriented, which always left me in trouble, in my mind.

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

DodgerDogs says on Apr 9, 2008, 21:45:

Art: the duck is too much like La Camp.

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.Martin Luther King:

Rubito says on Apr 9, 2008, 21:53:

Arthur is correct. It means basically a considerate, sensative person.

---Violence is the price of freedom.---

christobeldawg says on Apr 9, 2008, 21:57:

and here I was, for over a year, rejecting perfectly good women because I thought they wanted some kind of hard working specifically detail oriented control freak. thanks for clearing that up.

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

Rubito says on Apr 9, 2008, 22:23:

My wife places extra special emphasis on it. Boy did she pick the wrong freakin guy ;)

---Violence is the price of freedom.---

christobeldawg says on Apr 9, 2008, 22:36:

for me, I am thinking this is a yearlong breakthrough. I can be considerate and sensitive[well, maybe considerate, some of the time], but detail oriented and hard working, that idea kept thinking I had picked the wrong country for finding an easygoing mate.

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

goin_south says on Apr 9, 2008, 22:58:

well... A.B... and whoever.. yeah... I knew what it meant, AND... the thought still applies.

.... consideration.

Hey Gringoloid... startin to feel like the Rodney Dangerfield of Bogota...??
don't sweat the small stuff, dude... just 'cause yer a 'detallisto'.

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

gringoloid says on Apr 10, 2008, 07:29:

well, here it is thursday morning................the workers are here converting our condo to gas from electric..............and still no stove.

i offered to go to HomeCenter myself and pick it up in my car, but no response.

GS, when i do something, everything just flows smoothly, and i get real upset when things are not like that.

my girlfriend has that politeness thing going too............'it's just a problemita'..................it's more like a 'problema grande'.................

sure, money will straigthen everything out..........(my money)......................i just like to do things right.

lesson learned: if your going to operate in colombia other than a student or visitor: Learn Spanish fluently beforehand.

The first word you should learn as rikito and FrankRizzo point out.........'manana' has many different meanings!

vicshere says on Apr 10, 2008, 07:46:

I must live in a different Colombia...here in bucaramanga I haven't had any trouble with the major companies that I can remember....my phone was like 4 days....internet service 3 days....repairs on phone line max 7 days.....power and gas never a problem with service......delivery of construction supplies never a problem even when the supplier is paying the delivery costs.....although when I first had my furniture made by a small local company they fucked around with our furniture for ever had to sleep on the mattress on the floor for over a month..... now with people that's a different story....like construction workers and labor horrid

listo

mranderson says on Apr 10, 2008, 07:57:

I didnt have any problems getting my frige and washer delivered to me although it came a little late in the day. However when the installation guy came for the washing maching I told him to call me when he was on his way because I wasn't going to be at the house. I was a fifteen minute walk away when he called me and when I got there he told me he had been waiting for over an hour. some of these guys have no sense of time or truth. You just have to call them on it.

gringoloid says on Apr 10, 2008, 07:59:

alright another phone call..................HomeCenter has no record of my purchase.

I just faxed over two receipts.

mranderson says on Apr 10, 2008, 08:06:

When I bought my furniture it cost just over a million pesos for living room set and dining room set. I paid them 50.000 pesos as a deposit and sure enough it was delivered quickly.

Tinto (Moderator) says on Apr 10, 2008, 08:06:

You must be dealing with the Colombian portion of HomeCenter-Sodimac and not the German-influenced Chilean portion.

;-)

gringoloid says on Apr 10, 2008, 08:16:

that's a good tip, mranderson................and we all try that as much as possible................pay after the work is done.

today, i'm paying these guys as they do the work............i've already paid twice and i'll probably have to pay twice more by the end of the day.

how do you deal with a store that makes you pay in advance?

it will all work out, but my cost of sitting here for days, and all the aggravation.......I dunno.

mranderson says on Apr 10, 2008, 08:26:

time is money. Give them shit, and lots of it.

My wife is also very polite. She gets mad at people but doesn't show it to them because she thinks its rude. I had to explain to her that its more rude if people don't show up or lie.

It's kinda funny but she also gets embarrassed to negociate prices down at the stores or on the street. Whenever I'm out with her and we buy something she isn't allowed to talk anymore. Instead the gringo with the really bad spanish has to do all the talking.

I'm slowly fixing her.

kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 10, 2008, 08:53:

you have been very patiente GL i wouldn't have waited 3 days... I am polite but when someone does this to me " Lo indio se me sale :))))


my husband is the opposite he is so polite he will wait patiently me nahhhhhhh I would have called the store and said to them " vea ustedes es que me vieron cara de pendeja o que..... and front then on a no stop, That gas stove would be home in no time....:))))


I had to deal with all sort and yes mranderson advice is the best never ever pay the full amount always pay half..and when the job is complete pay the other, that is what i am doing with the building of my farmhouse...

jorgegdiaz says on Apr 10, 2008, 09:12:

We had a custom-made bed (for the design). They screwed it with the color. The guy didn`t want to make me a discount. Instead he offered me to make a new one because sanding off the paint will be more troublesome and time consuming that making a new one (Queen size plus 2 night tables for $600.000).
He had taken more than 3 EXTRA weeks to deliver the original bed... Now I`m sleeping in a bed that is not the color we chose.

Paraphrazing Leo Dicaprio in Blood of Diamonds, "T.I.C., This Is Colombia".

Man with hole in pocket feel cocky all day.

Mononoke28 says on Apr 10, 2008, 09:12:

kat1 says on Thursday April 10th, 2008 8:53:
"Lo indio se me sale :))))"

Nice. =|

Diana

GregYohn says on Apr 10, 2008, 09:14:

Hola!

We paid about 10,000 pesos more than a taxi for a guy to bring items from HomeCenter with his truck. He shipped insulation and a 250 liter water tank. Another time, he shipped new toilets for us.

Ask out in the yard of the HomeCenter if there is a reliable guy there to do the same for you.

12VOIP.com gives free calls to Colombia.Greg

gringoloid says on Apr 10, 2008, 09:21:

I think we're making some progress............he just said it would be here in an hour.

(somebody here is going to say an hour is not an hour!)

mranderson, i also find that very frustrating with the polite little lady problem. I also don't let her negotiate if i can help it.

Unfortunately, we had a HOA meeting last week and you know how those things go.

it was heated, but I didn't know until later what the responses of the other members were to my complaint.

i could have destroyed these comments if could speak spanish. but she could not respond.

What I don't understand is how quiet, polite, professional she is outside of driving a car...............but behind the wheel its like a Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde. She's a maniac along with calling names to strange people in traffic, like "estupido".

I don't let her drive when i'm in the car.

arthur brode says on Apr 10, 2008, 09:39:

Lo indio se me sale
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i would say its la gringa que te sale.dont see too many Colombianas here getting their panties in a bunch over anything.

http://www.calirentals.net/

kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 10, 2008, 09:41:

hehe that is an expresion we use in Colombia

like having la malicia indigena
or indio comido indio ido :)))

mranderson says on Apr 10, 2008, 09:58:

don't forget you can always refuse delivery if something isn't right. This works best if you haven't paid the full amount. For example when my dining room set was delivered one of the chairs had a crack in it. I refused it and subtracted the amount of that chair from the bill.

So always inspect everything well before you pay or sign anything.

jorgeddiaz I would have refused the bed on delivery assuming you didn't pay for it upfront. He would have made the other one much faster. In the meantime sleep on an airmattress. They are ok for a week.

gringoloid says on Apr 10, 2008, 10:37:

well, he said the stove would be here in an hour, ..........two hours ago.

gringoloid says on Apr 10, 2008, 11:11:

say.................what does the word 'pulidora' mean. these guys are asking me for one.

it says 'polishing' in my translator. they looked all through my tools but they said i don't have one.

work stops until i can get one.

jorgegdiaz says on Apr 10, 2008, 11:21:

GL, also called a "mototul" (notice autoctonous spelling ...) it`s a grinder.
What the heck do they need a grinder to install a stove? I assume is a gas stove, not a brick stove? .. lol

Man with hole in pocket feel cocky all day.

peteyw says on Apr 10, 2008, 13:28:

I can't believe this surprises you Gringoloid. You've been in Colombia long enough to expect this sort of thing.

Haven't you realized yet that here, No One Cares about:

Your Time, Your Schedule, Your Safety, Being Polite to You, You Being in Line First, Your repeat Business, Your Satisfaction, Your Frustration, Your Perception of Fairness or Your Irrational Comparisons with What Happens in your Home Country.

Here they Only Care About: Your Money; and that you, being a Foreigner, Never Say Anything Negative about Colombia.

Remember these simple rules and you'll be very happy here and have a great experience.

Chelesupercono says on Apr 10, 2008, 14:23:

That is the Gospel......it is the same in all Latin countries.......FUBAR.......f^cked up beyond all recognition!!!

never go to bed with someone crazier then you are, you will do it and you will regret it.......

gringoloid says on Apr 10, 2008, 15:14:

peteyw.........i didn't say i was surprised.............i'm asking others here for strategies in dealing with this problem

Tinto (Moderator) says on Apr 10, 2008, 15:22:

Sure, give them a pulidora with a cutting wheel on it. When they cut through the gas line everyone goes BOOM!

On a serious note, what kind of place expects a residential customer to have the proper tools for installation?

gringoloid says on Apr 10, 2008, 15:26:

Tinto.........you're not going to believe this...............but I've had a lot of work done on my place and every single person, electricians, supercable, plumbers, handyman guys, and now this switch to gas guys, have asked me for tools. also, i had to show a plumber how to put the shower valve in.

the first time i loaned tools to some guy, he wound up taking them.

christobeldawg says on Apr 10, 2008, 17:55:

so did the stove ever arrive?

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

peteyw says on Apr 10, 2008, 18:24:

I stand corrected Gringoloid. As such, I have to agree with those who say to pay no more than half until an item is delivered and installed to your satisfaction then pay the balance.

gringoloid says on Apr 10, 2008, 18:36:

cdawg................well, it did arrive but it was too late to install.

coming from the construction industry in the states, i know this kind of thing is chaotic.

actually, for the price i'm paying...........3.000.000..........total, including a Bosch water heater and the stove, i'm pretty happy.

they had to build scaffolding up to the 4th floor to cut through the wall from the outside for the venting.

do you know what something like this would cost in the states?

i just hope the water is pretty hot. my electric water heater has one setting: boiling.

this gas imrovement will make it much easier to sell.

goin_south says on Apr 10, 2008, 18:43:

Si; Colombia again.. is 'igual The South', in eeuu:
These f*kn rebel rousers, you know, always saying how the SOUTH IS GOIN_DO IT AGAIN?

Yeah, right... when There's finally enough Yankee MFkr's here to get the job done right!
Okay, so for those of you lookin for a good job in Colombia... IF YOU CAN DO SOMETHING RIGHT AND ON TIME... Gringoloid just gave away the DEFICIENCIA.

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

Robert Jorge says on Apr 10, 2008, 21:48:

Thanks for sharing the story / progress Gloid. I feel (felt) your pain.

goin_south says on Apr 11, 2008, 06:00:

How does it feel, RJ?

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

Frank Rizzo says on Apr 11, 2008, 06:36:

Hey GL.....did they give you the 1/2 inch line?? You can tip them and they'll crank up the regulator to the max.....makes a huge difference....if you've got the "tankless water heater"...and a grill.....

If you have your outdoor grill hooked up to the gas line...light your grill and turn on high..it should reach 400F degrees in 10 min or less...

You can ge the manager out there...if you need...and ask them for the panaderia hook up....we paid more for that ...but it's a huge level of gas that will run 600,000 btu....so it'll run a tankless water heater, grill and your stove all at the same time if you need....

gringoloid says on Apr 11, 2008, 08:19:

thanks, frankrizzo and jorgediaz for the technical advice.

frank, actually we're discussing this right now........................thanks for the advice...


only today, i brought my traductora in with me, so the communication is smooth.............

Lowell says on Apr 11, 2008, 08:31:

At HomeCenter my wife and I once hand picked and set aside some items for delivery. When the delivery came, our plant pots were missing. Wifie calls them and they had the nerve to say the items were out of stock. Back on the bus one more time to Pireira and my little darling gave them a good going over. Pots delivered the next day.

Alfred E. Newman. "What. Me Worry?"

vicshere says on Apr 11, 2008, 08:31:

I have a 1/2 inch gas line coming into my house and it runs everything fine
I have the following equipment
a regular stove 24"
a custom made Chinese wok stove 18"
a custom made BBQ 6 burner 40"
a wall mount in line water heater

I have had the
BBQ stove and water heater running at the same time and never a problem

listo

Frank Rizzo says on Apr 11, 2008, 08:40:

good deal vic......those tankless water heaters really suck up the gas....so you have good line pressure for sure... we're putting in 2 of those wall mount wall heaters now...and it sucked the first service dry...they had to put on that panaderia regulator and we maxed out the 1/2 inch line..... the specs called for 3/4....but it looks like it may work..

vicshere says on Apr 11, 2008, 08:49:

the funny thing Frank ....when I did work on the gas line I didn't even bother to turn off the gas valve......you just take the fitting off and install the new fitting or valve.....the pressure you can hear coming out of the open pipe is undetectable.....back in Canada the pressure coming out of the pipe will knock you over .....so I don't know how such a low pressure runs all my crap at the same time

listo

gringoloid says on Apr 11, 2008, 14:15:

i didn't realize that there might be a limit on the gas. i have a 1/2 line and decided to add a secadora today. hope the system can handle all that.

these guys are still here working and there is still a lot of work to do. they put in a new picture window so the vent could tie in outside. they're not going to finish today.

Frank Rizzo says on Apr 11, 2008, 15:16:

you should be okay GL...just a dryer doesn't use too much....the tankless water heaters typically use 100-200,000btu depending on the size....so they really suck it up...

If you have a problem...have the gas company come out and crank up your regulator ....should be fine...

I know vic....standard is something like 2 psi or something in colombia from what i've been told.....not much...

jonas says on Apr 11, 2008, 15:33:

tell me about it FR, my oven (gas) takes over 2 hours of preheating to bake a decent pizza. Where do they install the regulator, I can´t seem to find it, but then again I am pretty blind. Could it be just one regulator for the entire floor? I live in a highrise flat. Could it be that gas pressure is so low because of the height (11th floor) ? I used to run everything on a panaderia regulador (variable) at my last house and it was fantastic, boiling water in seconds!

What I have, I do not want to lose, but Where I am I do not want to stay, but those I love, I do not want to leave, but those I know I no longer want to see, but Where I die, I do not want to go;I want to stay where I have never been

gringoloid says on Apr 11, 2008, 15:45:

FR............when you wrote before, i told the guy about the regulador............he said si, maximo......................but where exactly is this regulator? Out of 20 apartments in my building, only 3, including mine have gas.

Frank Rizzo says on Apr 11, 2008, 15:46:

Hi Jonas....there will usually be 2......the first one on the meter...probably wont have to increase.....then there will be a smaller one just for you.....(usually...you know colombia)...the smaller one will usually be outside your apto...just out a window where the line comes into your apto......crank 'er up.....baby !!

jonas says on Apr 11, 2008, 15:49:

thanks Frank, I will look again. I might be making more pizza soon...:-)

What I have, I do not want to lose, but Where I am I do not want to stay, but those I love, I do not want to leave, but those I know I no longer want to see, but Where I die, I do not want to go;I want to stay where I have never been

Frank Rizzo says on Apr 11, 2008, 15:55:

GL....if its' at the max....have them come out and put in a larger meter and regulator.....you gotta bitch...but they'll do it....and then you can raise your secondary regulator....

GL...if your small onel...outside your window.is at maximo...then the bigger one will be at the meter...ask your door guy where your meter is... actually if you tip the gas guy..he can raise that regulator up too....to max...first...that may do the trick without a larger meter..

Ryan619 says on Apr 11, 2008, 21:45:

GL you have patience, which in my opinion is key, not many people are blessed with it. Congradulations. I had a few tonight... :))

Dreaming of better days

Lowell says on Apr 12, 2008, 08:47:

I'm installing a small 5 liter Bosh heater for my shower. This unit is small enough not to need a exaust gas vent pipe. I'd imagine that it'll not use much gas, My feed pipe from the unit to shower head will be less than 4 feet. Alas, no more suicide shower.

Alfred E. Newman. "What. Me Worry?"

gringoloid says on Apr 12, 2008, 09:17:

these guys are here working on this today and that exhaust gas vent pipe is the most time consuming part of the whole installation. they've been here for 3 full days already.

i let them make the decisions, but you have to go through it once to see how this should be done.

now that i see what kind of work they're doing i would have done this another way.

why are two vents needed? that vent pipe on top of the unit looks like hell.

jonas says on Apr 12, 2008, 17:26:

Lowell, maybe you wanna consider upgrading a little from 5 liters, sounds like a very quick shower to me.

What I have, I do not want to lose, but Where I am I do not want to stay, but those I love, I do not want to leave, but those I know I no longer want to see, but Where I die, I do not want to go;I want to stay where I have never been

Frank Rizzo says on Apr 13, 2008, 07:18:

Hi GL...i only knew about 1 vent per tankless hot water heater....it's like a 10cm diam. vent out the top, yes??

Jonas....it's 5 liters per minute......so 1 full time point of use will be no problem......you need about 5 liters per minute per point....

gringoloid says on Apr 13, 2008, 07:25:

Yes, FR, but let me explain.............they cut a whole through the bricks for one vent, and then the other comes out of the top of the unit.

I was told that this place would never sell without gas; that people wouldn't even come to see it.

I dunno, seems crazy to do this major installation and then move out.

Frank Rizzo says on Apr 13, 2008, 07:39:

Interesting....GL...to me sounds like the hole through the brick is just the gas input line...and the one out the top is the vent.....

The gas thing is important to many buyers....we did the same thing...as gas is about 1/4 the price of electric..in colombia..(btu per btu)....from what i'm told...i didn't take the time to calculate it out..

The important thing...if you've got a balcony or terazza...make sure they run a line there with a quick connect for your grill....a real good selling point...as you can adapt your normal LP grill for natural gas and put a hose on it...and people can grill out and never need to re-fill a tank..

vicshere says on Apr 13, 2008, 07:57:

here's another trick for the tankless water heaters.....I have the flue less water heater...I have actually blocked off about 40% of the outlet.....I saw too much heat escaping....so I blocked it off with a piece of 16 gauge and screws...it does appear we are using less gas and the water heater is more efficient

listo

robi666 says on Apr 13, 2008, 08:02:

Or maybe you're just gonna blow the house, Vic :)

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

vicshere says on Apr 13, 2008, 08:23:

nawww not at all

listo

Frank Rizzo says on Apr 13, 2008, 08:29:

that'll work vic....and it won't blow anything up.....but pushes up the temp of all the internals....you may find out that you shorten the life of the heater.....with heat failure of parts..kind of a delicate balance on those..

vicshere says on Apr 13, 2008, 08:55:

yes I agree so far its working great after 2 years....I have replaced the inner rubber control baffle 2 times but that's okay I can open her up and change it out in about 1/2 hour

listo

Juanes says on Apr 13, 2008, 17:28:

me too

http://www.travelblog.org/Bloggers/Juanes/

elkfarmer says on Apr 14, 2008, 08:25:

Been here 7 months, still no expert, but... Next time you have a problem, go to the Home Center on PORTAL DEL NORTE(across from Exito) at Cl 174B. Ask for the manager of Relations(Personnel Manger) His name is Mario Rodriquez. Speaks perfect English. Will get things done for you gringo!!!! ! Will actually go out of his way to help you. Tell him, Dan sent you. Chao Amigo, Elkfarmer

vicshere says on Apr 14, 2008, 09:58:

I think a couple of important things to remember about the tankless water heater

one don't compare or expect the same performance between a tankless to the big ass tanks we have in N.A.
second you need to reduce your water flow on the shower head....the small tank less heater will not heat the water sufficiently with a fast flow of water

slow down the flow or water force and you will see the water come out hotter

listo