Sad Video, However True

Mr. Hollywood says on Jan 28, 2007, 15:27:

Uh, G-man It's a MUSIC video. Next shall we discuss the problem of rascism in the US by viewing Snoop Dogg video?

If there weren't so much prostitution in Colombia I'd be more inclined to say there's a big problem with "human trafficking" but what I really suspect is that Colombian prostitutes, like Colombians in many other professions, like to travel to where the wages are higher.

I'm sure there are cases where women are "fooled" into thinking they're moving to Japan or Aruba or wherever to work a straight job, but I don't think that's the majority.

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Gomezman5 says on Jan 28, 2007, 15:56:

Yea ......So what? Where have you been Hollywood? Are you suggesting that music videos don't convey powerfull messages? What world have you lived in? Music has probably been one of the best mediums to make a commentary about society. We're not talking about racism in the US. That video would not belong here would it? You have a strange, and, may I add, a rather non responsive manner of addressing the issue.

Human trafficing is not so much the issue. Colombianas in Central American and Costa Rica are not trafficed. Did you understand the song? The song's message did not maketrafficing THE issue? Women who decide to be putas in Panama and Costa Rica, go there with glee on their own volition. So where does the trafficing element come in. In fact, in the case of Panama, officials there have their radars up for some whorish looking girl traveling from Colombia to Panama. In other words, they profile. If you look like a puta, you are in the right range, you are traveling alone, a non verifiable employment situation, and you have next to no money, Panama will not let you in. Oh to be sure, many do get in. Many don't

It's just a sad situation when men in the US go down to Costa Rica and tell me how a majority of the girls working there are ......you guessed it ...Colombian. In fact, they think they're are more Colombians than Costa Rican women. By the way, Dominicanas are high on the list too.

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manu1999 says on Jan 28, 2007, 16:26:

hey gomezman5 thanks for that. i agree with you, music videos can be powerful medium. and I know first hand about certain woes of colombianas :(

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anonimo says on Jan 28, 2007, 16:47:

It is sad I find it sad because many of the girls are from poor families, have a child and have no other options to support their family.

My fiance was one of those girls, working in Colombia,

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redway says on Jan 28, 2007, 17:18:

Thank you G-man For standing up for women.

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Gomezman5 says on Jan 28, 2007, 18:43:

Believe me..... It angers me to no end when I run into a Gringo that tells me that he found out how beautiful the "Colombian chicks" are when he went dove hunting in Costa Rica. I did NOT have to ask for more details. I knew, and every Colombian knows what they were referring to. They hunted doves by day, and Colombianitas at night. I don't know how well they scored in their daytime hunting, but I'm certain they scored well at night. Simon, monpirri, Billyb, and of course Juanalejo, can tell me how I am making Colombian girls look bad. If they see that as my intent....to bad. My point is that is that burying your head in the sand, only perpetuates the problem. It does little to resolve it.

As to Hollywood.......I don't even think he believes what he wrote above. He is old enough to understand what symbolism is conveyed through music. He has an agenda, that of late, has backfied and only makes him look bad. It's called being contrary. It's OK to be contrary, but goodness don't be contrary merely for the sake of being contrary. To say "It's music", and then even though there are written inserts stating sad facts, and then pretend that there is no message is......well...that's Hollywood. Enough said.

Hey, it's no different here. Here in Chicago, the Mexican neighborhoods are filled with these little apartments that serve as whore houses. Two girls, sometimes three work in each of them. They change girls every week. Who is the largest group of women that work there? You would think Mexican girls right, after all there are about 150 times as many Mexican women here as Colombian women. But.....no way, the girls are almost entirely Colombian and Dominican. It's in the culture. No question about it. Sure, there are those that get properly raised ....taught good from bad, right from wrong, like Kat's children, but that sure as hell is not the typical case.

The movie states what most Colombian know. Like it or not.

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Mr. Hollywood says on Jan 28, 2007, 19:56:

Actually, G5 Maybe it's you who didn't understand the video. It had written titles within seconds of the beginning talking about how many people have been trafficked out of Colombia. And they repeat with various statistics throughout.

I'm not being "contrary", I'm saying flat out that I don't think the Colombian "human trafficking" issue is as bad as it's made out to be. I think most Colombians working as hookers in Costa Rica or wherever know EXACTLY what they're going there to do.

Now, if you're saying it's sad that some women need to resort to selling sex as a means to support themselves or their families, then that's something different. But that should apply equally for the prostitutes working in Colombia, like at your buddy's Whiskeria that you like to talk about visiting.

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Gomezman5 says on Jan 28, 2007, 20:44:

I have no problem with my friend and his wiskeria. It's an honest living for both him and the girls working there no?

As to the trafficing issue, yea it references that, but what I am saying is that I don't think they were being misled. You focusing on the trafficing aspect. I am focusing on the fact that the girls are doing it period and that they are trafficing themselves, and not being trafficed by others You are not going to make anyone on this board believe that these girls are being fooled into moving to Costa Rica, Panama, or similar thinking they were going to get well paying legitimate jobs. I guess what I am saying is that as long as it stays in Colombia, I don't care. The economy is what it is. It's when they come over here to the states or Costa Rica, and the Mexicans and Gringos respectively start thinking that Colombian women are a bunch of whores. Your average Mexican in Chicago never runs into a Colombian woman unless he visits one of the local brothels here. The only exception to that is the Colombian business owners, that prefer to hire Mexicans in their restaurnts, auto repairs shops and alike, because they claim they are better employees (more reliable etc).

In summary, there just seems to be a propensity for my Colombian women to resort to prostitution not only in Colombia, but in other countrys as well.

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Mr. Hollywood says on Jan 28, 2007, 21:12:

Okay then Well, thanks for explaining your concern, even if that wasn't what the video seems to be about.

I agree with G5 that the sex industry is an honest living for most people working in it, certainly as honest as many other businesses.

Serious question: Why do you think it is that there are so many Colombian women working as hookers around the world? A lot of people say the Colombian economy is to blame, but there's just as much or more poverty in a lot of other countries and you don't see, just for example, thousands of Peruvians working as prostitutes around the globe.

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utopiacowboy says on Jan 28, 2007, 21:50:

Cuidado, G5, you're gonna get Monpirri on your case. Not that he isn't already. Mr. Hollywood's question is an interesting one but don't expect any honest answers here on PBSH. If you check the world sex guide there is now a thread about Colombian prostitutes in Hong Kong. It seems that they are becoming world renowned. Is this better than being famous for cocaine trafficing?

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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miamimike says on Jan 29, 2007, 00:09:

G5--I First saw the Magnitude of the Problem When I was shipping out in the Merchant Marine(late 70s to late 80s) at various Portstops Worldwide, Colombian Girls in many world ports.My introduction to the Colombian Girls was the Infamous "Gloria's Place in Balboa, Panama which is located at the Panama Canal Entrance,Pacific Coast Side of the canal. We barely lowered the Gangway to the Dock and my fellow Shipmates practically ran me over enroute to Gloria's. Later that evening I discovered the attraction firsthand,,LOL World known and famous, Gloria's,,,

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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tejasmarcos says on Jan 29, 2007, 00:47:

Question the argument here seems to be the overabundance of colombianas in the industry. anyone want to guestimate how many gringa working girls in the U.S. (a population of 300 million) there are? seems to me according to the answers that follow is that the real question is a mix of supply and demand interjected with some outsourcing logic.

* costa rica and panama and the island groups are not even legitimate arguments as Colombia boasts 40 some odd million population.

* what about the brazilians. no one mentions the brazilians. although i hear alot about brazilian female sexuality. that's because they are more nationalized in a leading latin american economy. a similar trait as american working girls, only 50 million or so less.

* isn't the question really about populations, economical state of the homeland and classic supply demand theory? i would really love to hear a solid cultural arguments here as it strikes curiosity in me.

* the song was actually pretty good according to U.S. based rock standards in my book. maybe they(the band) can be exploited too. americans sure love sex, drugs and rock and roll. Colombia seems to be perfect for all three.

* is that a cultural thing or a more academic scenario? i don't know myself. it just seems to me that Colombians by nature seem to have more "on the ball" than other latin and south american countries.

* this should make for an interesting thread to say the least................ man, i love rock and roll!

trying to walk a straight line on sour mash and cheap wine...

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elmodefoque says on Jan 29, 2007, 05:03:

Man, I’m dying to make a comment, but I know I’ll get in trouble with the Columbianas and their allies. I better just sit here a bite my tongue.

ASK NOT WHAT THE PUSSY CAN DO FOR YOU, BUT WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR THAT PUSSY!!!!!!!!!! CAT LOVER

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spigrimace says on Jan 29, 2007, 07:37:

Sad but true I have a neighbor in Medellin whom I despise. Matriarchal bitch with a husband with a perfect Al Pacino scarface voice thinks she´s helping when she traffics girls out of Colombia to Guatemala, Costa Rica, Panama, etc. They pay for the flight, room, board and surgeries and make their money on the exhorbatabt interest rates and take a cut of the working girl´s take and the daughter is the madam in Guatemala. Many girls did make some money but let´s keep hush about the 2 beauties that got kidnapped and brought to the middle east as sex slaves never to be heard from again. I found out about them because I dated/befriended a girl who once worked for her and this low life bitch had the balls to come to my place out of ther blue to ask me if I´d pay this girl´s debt and once tried to force her way upstairs in my business to my office because she thought the girl was hiding up there. I literally threw her out by her hair. Her husband came rushing up the street wonerding why I was so mean to her to wit I told him I despise what they do, and that (truthfully as I did my homework), that DAS already knows what they´re doing, and if that bitch sets foot on my property again I am rolling a 100lb pipeta of gas down the block to their house and blowing it up. He looked at me funny and just said let´s take it easy, let´s stay out of each other´s hair and left. Thankfully I haven´t seen them around the neighborhood in as long time. I hope they´re in hiding, in jail or dead.

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Mr. Hollywood says on Jan 29, 2007, 10:02:

Spigrimace Good to see you really getting into the spirit of things there!

Remind me never to piss you off.

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Robert Jorge says on Jan 29, 2007, 10:12:

Elmo, I can't believe you spelled Colombianas "Columbianas." That will get you in trouble with the girls here too man. Unless you are wanting to comment on a recent trip to South Carolina or central Ohio! Make a post Elmo, I need the laugh.

BEWARE of gold diggers.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 29, 2007, 10:54:

RJorge he is writing Columbianas, because he is been told him he is not Colombian, he is an hybrid, colombian looks, yankee mind.jejeje

And you see how well train we got him :P

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elmodefoque says on Jan 29, 2007, 11:04:

they (women from this site) removed part of my brain over the weekend for the purpose of having full control of my actions

ASK NOT WHAT THE PUSSY CAN DO FOR YOU, BUT WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR THAT PUSSY!!!!!!!!!! CAT LOVER

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jan 29, 2007, 11:10:

yeah, sit ubu sit Here, now that you're back here's that part of your brain back you can put it back into your skull now. We've sanitized it.

Cheers,
Desi

Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example.
Mark Twain [Samuel Langhornne Clemens] (1835-1910)

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 29, 2007, 11:12:

But! your brain will be return but we can confiscate your tongue!

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elmodefoque says on Jan 29, 2007, 11:27:

As a kid in barrnanquilla I As a kid in barrnanquilla, I used to spent hours under a ciruela tree looking at dogs licking their balls. Damn that must be great, I thought. So I started imitating them. Now my tongue is so long I have no problem wrapping it around my nuts.

ASK NOT WHAT THE PUSSY CAN DO FOR YOU, BUT WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR THAT PUSSY!!!!!!!!!! CAT LOVER

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 29, 2007, 11:38:

Elmo why I'm not surprise?.You're why I'm not surprise?.You're proof that evolution can go backwards!

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jan 29, 2007, 11:41:

kat, te gusta la lengua asada o a la criolla? Sudada con tomate y cebolla en la pitadora?

Saludos,
Desi

Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example.
Mark Twain [Samuel Langhornne Clemens] (1835-1910)

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 29, 2007, 11:46:

Desi are we allowed to hickjacked this thread? heheheh, by the way Lengua sudada con tomate y mucha cebolla.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jan 29, 2007, 11:49:

what was this thread about before...? Prostitution,,,yeah, it's green for hijacking. It can only get better.

Cheers,
Desi

Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example.
Mark Twain [Samuel Langhornne Clemens] (1835-1910)

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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Robert Jorge says on Jan 29, 2007, 14:02:

Thanks Elmo, I needed that. I am surprised you can reach your balls with your tongue. I remember several months back, about you bitching that your scrotum hung so low, it dipped into the toilet water when you sat down on the throne.

BEWARE of gold diggers.

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utopiacowboy says on Jan 29, 2007, 21:27:

Spigrimace, you're a man after my own heart.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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tejasmarcos says on Jan 29, 2007, 21:29:

so is there a cultural trigger for becoming a prostitute in colombia or no? (other than need for $$ or intimidation by mafia).

trying to walk a straight line on sour mash and cheap wine...

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webmanco says on Jan 29, 2007, 22:13:

their family is not going to be killed if they don't go.

from mafia types who are extorting money from the family and the girl has two choices have her family dead or prostitute.

If you think this does not happen here then well your view on Colombia is different than mine.
GIB just got some writing skills with violence, murders, robberies, mafia, killings, kidnapping etc.



My view on Colombia is way too different. Women get into the oldest profession in the world, for a few reasons:

They need the money to pay university.

They got spoiled at one time from parents, wealthy older partners and by "new millonarios" and got expensive habits then need the money.

Single mothers without education and skills to get a "decent" wage.

Some because they like it.

I know a place where these girls contact some one in Aruba, they sent pictures and had to pay USD 300 for visa purposes, pay their ticket if approved and go work for 3 months.

They are not forced to do it and their family is not going to be killed if they don't go.


Gomezman5,
En Colombia la ropa sucia se lava en casa. This is not new. Granted some girls might go voluntaliry but it is shown on TV that sometimes once overseas the host takes away their passports and documents and force them to do more than they were willing to do.

As for the amount of Colombianas working abroad on the sex trade, they got such a "good fama" that I would not doubt women from other countries also in the trade will change nationality in the heat of the moment.

This colaboration from GM5 in my opinion is better.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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goin_south says on Jan 29, 2007, 23:08:

BEST THREAD EVER! Wasn't someone asking jus last week?? Well, this is it!
I second it, on the spigrimace thing! LET'S CRASH THAT PLACE FOR A SUPERBOWL PARTY.... AND don't be tellin me no one in Colombia is wanting to watch El Supre Bowl!

dos pesos mio,... pequito de nada

Where do we go from here?

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tomtom33 says on Jan 30, 2007, 05:26:

Sex slaves? Sure they exist. Very few people would conone any form of slavery. However, why would you resort to such drastic measures when there are so many volunteers? Several years ago I met a number of Colombian sex workers in Costa Rica. None of them were there involuntarily. They simply made more money in CR than they would have in Colombia.

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southern151 says on Jan 30, 2007, 05:54:

I'm such a whore... If I were a woman, you can rest assured that I would be working! Talk about loving your work! Lucky damn women! That thing they got is very powerful.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 30, 2007, 07:13:

you can change sex Southern 151 and go and have ago. Doctors can do miracles now.

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cali373 says on Jan 30, 2007, 09:12:

You people act like prostitution is a Colombia issue. With the exception of Araba countries women from all countries have contributed to prostitution. I was a story by a friend of mine that lives in Segovia, spain. She was offended when she went to Cadiz and was asked if she was Colombia. And that was because apparently many Colombianas in Cadiz are prostitutes.

Smile if you are a thinker!

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Mr. Hollywood says on Jan 30, 2007, 10:40:

A couple things about the "slave trade" Look, human trafficking is real, but I'll venture that the VAST MAJORITY of Colombian prostitutes working abroad are there of their own free will, not being held at gunpoint.

The cases where you see the worst abuses of women are the ones where there's a huge cultural and language barrier between the women and the culture they're in. For example, it's really hard to break from your pimp if you're a Colombian in Japan and don't speak the language or a Korean in Canada being held locked in a house in Montreal. But a Colombiana in Los Angeles or Guatemala is just another fish in a sea of Spanish speaking folks and can get help if needed.

The example Spigrimace gave of his mafioso neighbor is actually very illuminating because, while if we accept all the facts as accurate what's clear is that these people are exploiting both the naivete and greed of the women they "help" but they're not trafficking. Anyone who agrees to take on loan shark debt get a boob job so she can get more clients is NOT a victim of trafficing.

If you look at places like Bahrain in the Persian gulf, they're actually having to take strict immigration measures to keep from getting flooded with Russian and other eastern bloc prostitutes who are desperate to get IN because they can make such good money.

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manu1999 says on Jan 30, 2007, 10:52:

I think that DonGringo has hit the nail on the head throughout this post.

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kalder says on Jan 30, 2007, 12:56:

On the off chance anyone can answer this...

Say, if in a mid-upper range whorehouse in Colombia the price was about $60-70 for an hour's 'entertainment', how much would the working girl get and how much the house?

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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