Rosales Bogota (NICE/SAFE)?

Gator says on Oct 13, 2007, 21:43:

One of the best. Wife and I live off of carrera 7 near 82. You can walk to the Parque 93, food markets, TranMilenio, .discotechs, malls, some of the best restaurants in Bogotá, etc. we consider our area safe.It is a estrato 6 so you utilities, etc will be higher. Prices have been coming down. You are in the zona rosa

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capitan_centella says on Oct 13, 2007, 21:53:

It´s 2 minutes in taxi, the only catch its passing the 7 avenue. You only have two choices, take 72 from west to east, and been patience. Or walk. If you walk, it´s a 5 minutes walk. Pretty safe area. Just avoid séptima con 72 at morning. (2:00 am to 4:00 am, or if you want to get waisted a cab from any place in zona rosa to rosales cost 7.000 COP TOPS (3.5 dollars)). . . Visit "el castillo del mono jaramillo". It´s a castle in the middle of bogotá, with bridges, and things. (everybody knows where is it, just ask) Not too big but nice to see. Almost free the entrance. (last time I was there, it´s like 1.000 COP or half a dollar)

For a regular colombian, it´s a expensive place to live. Most of things are overpriced. The STRATO (just a colombian division for paying taxes, and water, food and gas. . .) it´s mostly 4 (that means you have to pay "the normal fee". But if you will buy a real state near to the mountains, that´s 5 strato, even 6.(The most expensive one is 6. The lowest is 1)

Food are overpriced too. You´ll see a lot of restaurants but that´s for real state executives and bank guys. And some others are just school joints only selling pizza (trhree big universities are in that area. And more not that big like UNITEC).

I hope it helps.

"When you open your eyes, you turn around with the world, But it can change, if you only close it, and see a dream to yourself." Me.

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capitan_centella says on Oct 13, 2007, 21:59:

One of the best FASHION stores are in 63 whit 7. The store´s name is KAFTAN. Colombian young designers made like three unique outfits, then re-design totally different things. I have two backpacks and I know for sure that´s the only two in the world.

Remenber to visit GRANAHORARR mall, and culture stuff in la universidad PEDAGOGICA NACIONAL (Little brother from UNIVERSIDAD NACIONAL DE COLOMBIA, THE BEST IN COLOMBIA)

If you wanna buy imported-overpriced stuff go to EL RETIRO mall. There are ATLANTIS and ANDNO´S malls too. Good to see things, but not so interesting.

"When you open your eyes, you turn around with the world, But it can change, if you only close it, and see a dream to yourself." Me.

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bamapits3 says on Oct 13, 2007, 21:59:

You guys are great, Thanks for the positive feed back....Anyone going to be in bogota next week, would like to meet some of the expats on a night out......

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Waterdawg says on Oct 14, 2007, 08:10:

Like Mr. & Mrs. Gator , I live near 7 and 83. I feel very safe and walk every where . I like it down around 4/5 and say 67 to 74 even better !

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webmanco says on Oct 14, 2007, 08:17:

Before purshasing you ougt to look for long time ownership, as Gator said it is estrato 6, not only utilities are expensive but management fees as well.

A second option would be Chahinero alto, it might add 5 minutes in distance but property and everything else will be cheaper. Well and about safety, it is so relative.

good location to be around the night life and things to do in bogota?

A good location would be something more central, like Salitre, J Vargas, Pablo IV, Bogotá is so big and with activities all over the city that staying in the side will demand more trasnsportation an time therefore.

The main roads in Bogotá are Autopista Norte, Calle 80, NQS or carrera 30, Avenida el Dorado, Avenida 68. There are many places to look for in any strategic point.

Los Rosales is near the mountain by Circunvalar, a little be away.

http://maps.google.es/maps?f=q&hl=es&geocode=&q=bogota&ie=UTF8&ll=4.60...

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Cerealkiller says on Oct 14, 2007, 13:58:

My dad has a flat in 76 con 5, a couple of blocks away from Club El Nogal, walking to parque 93 and Zona Rosa is a breeze, everything is close bu the area itself is very residential. Highly reccomended...In regards to maintenance fees, Webmanco is right, they're high.

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Gator says on Oct 14, 2007, 16:04:

capitan_centella:

first it is estrato, second estrato has nothing to do with food, third 95% of the area of Chico is estrato 6 and 5 and you don't starting hitting 4's until you start getting past 72 towards downtown(Chapinero). You don't really hit any fours until barrios.Porciuncula, Las Acacis, Lago Gaitan and they are still mostly 5 and six. Pontificia Universidad Javeriana, and Universidad Nacional de Colombia are in the Chapinero area and the Universidad Pedagógica Nacional is on Calle 72 but not really in the area. Expensive restaurants, sure but lots of places you can get a good meal at a good price. There are stores that are really over priced but plenty that are not.

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Mr. Hollywood says on Oct 14, 2007, 18:49:

Nice: Yes. Safe: Yes.

My only criticism of Rosales is that parts of it are pretty cut off by La 7. Beautiful views and apartments up there but much of it is not a walking neighborhood.

If you're looking at real estate in that demographic you should also look at Chico, Parque la Cabrera, and the area between Parque de las 93 and the Zona Rosa.

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capitan_centella says on Oct 14, 2007, 20:16:

Gator. . . you are taking to a guy who earns 500 dollars month (and really strugle for it, as most colombians do.). To me a "corrientazo" of 5000 COP it´s pretty expensive. And yes I made a grammar mistake, it is "estrato". As you ungraciusly said.

And take reading lessons. I never said that estrato has ANYTHING to do with food. I said: "Food are overpriced too. You´ll see a lot of restaurants but that´s for real state executives and bank guys. And some others are just school joints only selling pizza (trhree big universities are in that area. And more not that big like UNITEC)."

Just and airhead would think that THATS THE ONLY PLACES YOU WILL FIND. The crepe´s and waffles near to the british council building, its pretty much in the middle of pricing food, and has an excelent service. But for everyday meal. . . no way. Too much for any COLOMBIAN. (The ones who get at at 5;00 am to be on time at 7:00 am study or working, and doesn´t appear in Uribe´s crazy stats).

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Cerealkiller says on Oct 14, 2007, 23:19:

I thought Rosales was everything east of av 7ma and north of calle 72???
I am not sure as to how easy it would be to find a 1 bedroom apaprtment in that area. Most flats are family flats...Personally, I wouldnt buy a flat right now, prices have never been higher in Bogota, I definitely wouldnt pay 4 million pesos per squared meter. I have the feeling itll go down in about 3 years.

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Rob77 says on Oct 15, 2007, 05:33:

Cerealkiller, I agree with you. I believe real estate prices are due for a correction in the next couple years in Bogota. Construction has been going full speed for a while now. Demand has been there from people moving to the city from rural areas, plus Colombians in the exterior sending money to buy property here (not to mention a lot of money laundering.) But the demand wont continue. If the level of safety continues to improve outside the major cities, and the military gains more ground in controlling regions, less people will be interested in living in the cities.

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Gator says on Oct 15, 2007, 07:49:

"The STRATO (just a colombian division for paying taxes, and water, FOOD(emphases added) and gas.

Oops, thought you included food or why put it there? And in your original post I did not see the word "too" after food.

"And yes I made a grammar mistake, it is "estrato". As you ungraciusly said."
Maybe spelling but not grammar.

corrientazo (a one or two dollar lunch) Had on a couple of days ago on Av Cacaras:

Corrientazo: Cuchuco de trigo, agua de panela, arroz, frijol, ensalada, verdura y soufflé de pescado: $2.000 pesos

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Rob77 says on Oct 15, 2007, 07:54:

BOYCOTT CITGO - CHAVEZ SUCKS!!!

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Mr. Hollywood says on Oct 15, 2007, 09:02:

How far north, Rob?

If you have to commute long distance through Bogota traffic that seems like a difficult trade-off. I've seen some nice little communities outside of Bogota, though, that would be great if you wanted the country life and didn't have to be in the city much.

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Gator says on Oct 15, 2007, 09:17:

MUCH further north, Rob? Like Mr. H, how far north-you are getting into some really give and take.

"I have to drive a lot more," Please expand a little.
"I can't stand the idea of looking out my window and seeing someone else's apt in front of me!"
Are talking about a house(casa)?

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Rob77 says on Oct 15, 2007, 09:50:

BOYCOTT CITGO - CHAVEZ SUCKS!!!

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aztec says on Oct 15, 2007, 14:25:

Gator: "Prices have been coming down."

Interesting. Would you please provide more information on this? Thanks.

My wife is currently in Bogotá but I haven't been down in a while. Thought the prices would eventually moderate but don't yet have any evidence. Certainly would like to purchase an apartment in your general area! I have seen some very nice ones.

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Gator says on Oct 15, 2007, 16:35:

Speaking to real estate agents, the number of arriendo signs that have replaced compra signs and looking in "El Tiempo." One that caught our eye was one in San Patricio 404,Cuartos: 2 . Baños: 3 . Garajes: 2 . �rea: 118 mts² . Estrato: 6 Venta: $ 318,713,700 .
Valor administración: $ 240,000. I would bet a firm offer of say $275.000.000 would do it
Another about Ca 11 and cl 89 was Cuartos: 3 Baños: 3 Garajes: 2 . �rea: 160 mts² Estrato: 6 Venta: $ 280,000,000 Administración: $ 234,000 in El Chico.

Don't be afraid to low ball on an initial offer. Of course there are one bedroom and 60/70m2 for much less. Take a look her and start off much lower than asking. Even though my Spanish is very good I send Mrs. Gator on the initial scouting expidition to avoid any hint of a "gringo" price.

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Rob77 says on Oct 16, 2007, 04:15:

I haven't been watching prices closely. But it seems like units are sitting on the market longer lately. That can be a sign of a switch to a buyer's market and eventual softening of prices. Same thing happened in the US.

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elmodefoque says on Oct 16, 2007, 07:04:

hey gib. so you think buying a brand new apt is not a good idea?
I don't plan to make any money on it, but at the same time i don't wanna pay money to a modefoque with less money than me. If i could get a good 15 years outta the apt before the building falls down, i'm good with that.
My kids never plan to gotto colombia so that apt will gotto waste.
whatta you think?

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morphus says on Oct 16, 2007, 07:19:

Modefoque, this looks like a good deal in Barranquilla...3 bedrooms and 2 bathrooms in an estrata 4 barrio for $38,000 USD:


http://www.adoos.com.co/post/1656234/vendo_apartamento_estrato_4

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elmodefoque says on Oct 16, 2007, 07:24:

Hey morph, it looks like an excellent stabin cabin, I gotta find out the age of the building.
if i'm lucky, i live another 10 years, after that the buiding could fall down for all i care

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elmodefoque says on Oct 16, 2007, 07:38:

I’m looking at the furniture in that apt and that’s the typical Colombian upper middle class taste, old dark and heavy Victorian crap!!! I
take all that chit a throw it out the fokin window and get me cheap IKEA furniture with a 42 inc LCD and kick ass stereo and I’m set.

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elmodefoque says on Oct 16, 2007, 07:40:

i like a lotta space and no fokin curtains, LOTS AND LOTS of sunlight

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Oct 16, 2007, 07:42:

I chuckle when I see some of these condos/apts, too. Often they have relatively small rooms and 7.5 foot ceilings, but they're just PACKED with big, dark ornate furniture which makes the space seem even smaller.

So you're not a lace doily (sp?) kind of guy, Elmo?

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elmodefoque says on Oct 16, 2007, 07:43:

helll nooooooo!!!

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morphus says on Oct 16, 2007, 07:46:

Some mirrors on the bedroom ceiling and a bar like this one:

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Oct 16, 2007, 07:47:

Porcelain figurines?

Speaking of 'collectibles' some of the gift/junk shops on San Andres had some really tacky stuff. In addition to the coconut carvings, they've got this whole "Rasta" thing going on. They put two black wooden "Rastas" in a sexual position, accent the hips and lips and boobs and schlong and then put a huge spliff in the guys mouth and a fruit basket on the woman's head. Politically correct they're not...

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elmodefoque says on Oct 16, 2007, 07:48:

wait, i gotta fokin vomit

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elmodefoque says on Oct 16, 2007, 07:48:

is that elvis presly's place?

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morphus says on Oct 16, 2007, 07:52:

Red curtains and leopard spots go good together.

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