Romanticizing Colombia. The painful truth.

kat1 (Moderator) says on Mar 7, 2007, 05:43:

Deja Vu.
Deja Vu.

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elmodefoque says on Mar 7, 2007, 05:49:

deja que?
deja que?

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elmodefoque says on Mar 7, 2007, 06:27:

where the hell is Rufus and seabass??

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kalder says on Mar 7, 2007, 06:39:

The thing about Colombian women being the most attractive women in the world is obviously a rather subjective judgement. It's all part of the myths we spin for ourselves about foreign cultures.

Personally speaking, my subjective opinion would run to saying the most beautiful women I've ever seen were in Syria. I thought they were all going to look like Yasser Arafat. Until I got there.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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southern151 says on Mar 7, 2007, 06:44:

I still love to see the beautiful Colombianas! There is just something about them that distorts my train of thought when I see them. I think part of it may be the way that they are able to move as Elmo mentioned.

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kalder says on Mar 7, 2007, 06:56:

The Syrian girls don't look a million miles away from the Colombianas. They tend to have straight long, black hair and olive complexions. They also all seem to wear skin tight jeans as well.
The differences are that they tend to be slimmer and leggier (is that a word?) and have a more 'mysterious' air about them (if that means anything).

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Mar 7, 2007, 07:09:

I've also heard that girls from Middle East tend to have a mustache? I dunno, that's what the guys from Middle East say and prefer to date blonde Swedish girls...

Cheers,
Desi

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe
they are free." —Johann Wolfgang van Goethe

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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raulinho says on Mar 7, 2007, 07:10:

I must have been in a different contry I have been in Bogota four times and saw only one really good looking girl in all that time . It is not possible that they are all hidden away or that the good looking ones only come out at night and I prefer brunettes! Syria is like Lebanon and Iran which look nothing like Colombian women unless they have arab or persian blood the face is totally different, as for Brasil Rio is poor, but Forianapolis is by far the best.In Spain Sevilla is the best and women are much better looking than in Bogota.

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seabass says on Mar 7, 2007, 07:24:

You rang, Elmo? I've been down in Panama blowing money in the casinos and on hookers.
I've about given up on mi novia del norte. She's too busy trying to emulate a gringa. Guess I need to hook up with one of those southern Barranquilleras next time I'm down that way.

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kalder says on Mar 7, 2007, 07:27:

Syrian and Iranians are completely different ethnic groups.

I was comparing the former to Colombianas and I did say...subjective...blah, blah, blah...

Why am I bothering with this?

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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elmodefoque says on Mar 7, 2007, 08:14:

"I thought they were all going to look like Yasser Arafat. Until I got there." jijijijjjjijiji
i got a hard on for arab grils too.

hey seabass, i'll take you way down south. the women down there, don't need much. Vallenato and cerveza aquila all night long and they're happy.

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Mononoke28 says on Mar 7, 2007, 08:47:

Well... ... we all choose to see each country for what it is and what beauty it holds. I personally love it but I totally understand where you're coming from. Colombians are extremely racists, even though they don't acknowledge it.

And as far as beautiful women go, I'm with ya. There was not 1, not ONE beautiful woman the whole 8 weeks I was there. What I did notice though is that most men I talked to considered a beautiful woman, "BEAUTIFUL" only because they were showing T & A, that's all. So if that is your standard of beauty, Colombia is full of beautiful women. =D

Diana

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Lowell says on Mar 7, 2007, 08:51:

Black women Dude come to my barrio in Cartago! The house across the street from me has some wicked great looking Black women living in it. One with one of the biggest set of naturals I've had the pleasure to view. And there's some more down the street. Since my wife gave birth to our baby girl, sex has been on the back burner for over a year. 1 time a month just aint enough. I'm on a big time hurt and they know it. When will women learn that a few minutes of attention a couple times a week can do a lot to keep a mans interest at home? I bring home the bacon, do nearly 100% of the cooking, help with all else.... I don't beleive I'm asking/needing to muchI'm just waiting for the right opportunity to know and enjoy some fresh pleasure. Probably not with them as it's way to close to home. Don't like to s++t where I eat. However, first comes a vasectomy. Then I'll be good to go.

Alfred E. Newman. "What. Me Worry?"

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kalder says on Mar 7, 2007, 08:56:

Desi's comment that Middle-eastern guys like blonde Swedish guys brings all this into focus. An awful lot of people are attracted to the exotic, the different, the 'other'. I suppose it speaks to the romantic in them.

In Britain, a lot of guys like black girls. A lot of North European women like Latins and black guys. An legion of gringos are drawn to Colombianas. And so on.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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Mononoke28 says on Mar 7, 2007, 08:57:

See.. ... beauty is all about T&A. XD

Diana

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kalder says on Mar 7, 2007, 09:01:

Snr. Defoque Aren't Salma Hayek and Shakira ethnically Arab?

If so, half the globe's male population must have a yearning for the 'daughters of the desert' too.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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jaramillo says on Mar 7, 2007, 09:13:

Re middle eastern mustaches "Mujer con bozo, coño sabroso". Or at least they say that in Antioquia.

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elmodefoque says on Mar 7, 2007, 09:17:

" we all choose to see each country for what it is and what beauty it holds. I personally love it but I totally understand where you're coming from. Colombians are extremely racists, even though they don't acknowledge it.

And as far as beautiful women go, I'm with ya. There was not 1, not ONE beautiful woman the whole 8 weeks I was there. What I did notice though is that most men I talked to considered a beautiful woman, "BEAUTIFUL" only because they were showing T & A, that's all. So if that is your standard of beauty, Colombia is full of beautiful women. =D" mononoke



wow, you hit it right on the head. thank you!
i was begining to think i was really crazy, un negro resentio

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Mr. Hollywood says on Mar 7, 2007, 10:09:

Middle Eastern Girls with Moustaches Desi, that's just what they tell you Scandavian chicks to make you jump into bed.

The Middle East is FULL of beautiful women.

It's the GUYS who all have moustaches.

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atorres says on Mar 7, 2007, 10:10:

You are right elmo I'm Colombiana and Chocolate was never my favorite flavor - just a matter of taste. Same as Asian or Indian, they are just not my flavors and I don't find any attraction towards men of these races. Hey we all have our standards for what we find attractive or exotic. So I can't speak for all the Colombian women, just for myself, black men are not my attraction.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Mar 7, 2007, 10:20:

Nope that's not it, Hollywood. Swedish girls are not that crazy about Middle Eastern men, be thy Arabs, Turks or Persians or whatever. Anyway, you ask a Middle Eastern man how come he doesn't want to marry one of their own and the standard answer is because they don't want a wife with a moustache.

There are beautiful people everywhere but the parameters of beauty tend to shift a little from country to country, culture to culture. Moustaches or hairy necklines so common with women from that geographic area are not a big turn on to men over here either.

Cheers,
Desi

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe
they are free." —Johann Wolfgang van Goethe

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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elmodefoque says on Mar 7, 2007, 10:22:

so my chances of drilling atorres, so my chances of drilling you are zero no non?

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Man Tequila says on Mar 7, 2007, 10:27:

There are pretty women everywhere. All in all, Colombianas are NOT better looking than Canadian women, who really are a nice global mix. Colombianas, however, are FAR sexier than the average Canadian woman. They are much more sexually liberated, happier, appreciate music and dance to a greater degree, place more importance on keeping fit and speak their minds. This could certainly be a case of "the grass is greener", but I've travelled to a lot of different places and don't think so. Were Colombianas less well disposed to gringos, I probably would not have this view. Also, many people confound beauty with sexiness. Frankly, I found the women of Cartagena, Bogotá, Calí and Medellín to be of similar levels of beauty and sexiness.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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elmodefoque says on Mar 7, 2007, 10:29:

The only countries that can claim to have the most beautiful women in the planet are Scandinavian countries. That my friend is reality.
One thing they do lack which I place high on my attraction scale is Rhythm. They can’t dance worth shit and if a place a southern Barranquilla next to them, the blonde will be blown outta the water. I really do get turn on while dancing with someone who knows.

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elmodefoque says on Mar 7, 2007, 10:32:

tequila, you too hit the nail right on the head. colombianas are NOT the prettiest by far, but yes they are with out a doubt very sexy. THey got that putona thing going that drives me loco.

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manINred says on Mar 7, 2007, 10:44:

then elmodefoque how do you explain the swedes coming down to MEdellin and being blown away by the beauty??? I think life may be always sweeter on the other side.

I was a bit disappointed in this respect by Cali, I had heard many great things that didn't meet up to my expectations. Upon reaching Medellin though it was a whole different story. The well-travelled Brazilian I was with, Australian and Canadian all agreed (they had been to Brazil to compare, Europe, australia, etc...) that Medellin hosted the most beautiful women in the world. I have seen to little of the world to judge, but it's not far off in my opinion.

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tomtom33 says on Mar 7, 2007, 11:13:

The Swedes are blown away by GETTING SOME. Sweden is not a whole lot different from Western Europe and the US as far as sexual liberation goes. Or so I have heard. I have yet to visit the country of birth of my maternal grandfather.

I love the looks of the women in the US. However, I have not been propositioned by a smoking hot 20-year-old Gringa in 30 years. Or did that even happen 30 years ago?

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eastended says on Mar 7, 2007, 11:27:

I have not travelled much inside Colombia so I can only speak for Bogota and a few other pueblitos. My experience of Colombian women is that they play with their feminity more than, say women here in Europe. That means, they use more make up, they have better teeth, better skin, a lot of them would not think twice before visiting the plastic surgeon. However, this does not mean beauty - once you take all that apart, you realise it is an image. Once in a while and not too often, I did see a refreshing and unique beauty, most of the time in pueblitos, and less in Bogota.

As for the Colombian girls in London - well, my personal experience is that a lot (key term, a lot) of them are overweight, short, have had plastic surgery in Colombia and they get to wear these nasty tight jeans with with small cropped tops showing their midrift in what I like to call the muffin top effect. If you don't get it, imagine a muffin and how it spills out of the cup when baked.

The above does not make them bad people - their attitude and their arrogance does, a lot of them act as if they are IT and God forbid if they think you are approaching to make a move... as if... If in doubt, I invite all to visit El Carnaval del Pueblo, first or second Sunday in August in the lovely part of London south of the Old Kent Road, Burgess Park.

But anyway, I'd like to hear some opinions on the colombian men, because, I am sure present company excepted, we Colombian men do not only tend to be f**king ugly, but we have no sense of fashion, even I can appriciate that and I am not gay by the way, take a walk around Bogota or at the above festival... a lot us look like raponeros... it makes you think 'what that inmigration officer was thinking about when they allowed these people in as tourists?... nothing wrong with being dark or ethnic looking - I am, but God, make the f**king effort!

-----we were born naked, wet and hungry and then things got worse----

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elmodefoque says on Mar 7, 2007, 11:46:

great post eastended.
i was great post eastended.
i was not born ugly, i was good looking until my late 30's then all hell broke lose. now, i even got silver hair around my balls.
a few times i was told i had hair like richard fokin gere. Richard fokin gere my ass, that modefoque is rich, famous, white, handsome and talented, i is poor and clean toilets for a fokin living.
but you know what? i'm a happy modefoque.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Mar 7, 2007, 11:53:

hell what's going on!!! since when we turn out to be the most beautiful women in the world to the ugliest!! something I missed? I blame Elmo, I am sure this time when he went to Colombia, I bet one kick his hairy b*** and a**.. y ahora estamos pagando los platos rotos...

Now not just the Colombian men are ugly we the women are joining the club too!!

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eastended says on Mar 7, 2007, 11:54:

Hey Kat, that's unfair - I did not say that!!!

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Célle says on Mar 7, 2007, 12:13:

The most beautiful... Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. There are beautiful people in every country and in every race.

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eastended says on Mar 7, 2007, 12:25:

"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. There are beautiful people in every country and in every race."

The key question then is: does the Beauty in the planet outweight the ugly?

-------God has not forgotten us; he is just working on a more ambitious project-------

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Célle says on Mar 7, 2007, 12:32:

The key question then is: does the Beauty in the planet outweigh I think they're equally divided. The ugly and the beautiful.

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Lisa Zee says on Mar 7, 2007, 12:52:

Middle Eastern women, are very beautiful! Gorgeous in fact, BUT only after they have removed all the hair from:...the forehead, mustache, beard, arms, legs, their 'twat'!, this part is so hairy it grows almost to their knees!. How do I know?!, I have been going to the same beauty salon for years,(to have a haircut and nails) and I had some friends. Most of them have a nose job, they never go on the sun, the are all BLEACH BLONDE. They have beautiful ayes and are great dancers, but talk about high maintenance!!! Of course I am only talking about the ones in the USA.
And as always it is all a matter of taste. I am Latina, and I like the opposite, TALL, blond or light brown hair, blue eyes, not pasty white, I like them to be able to tan very well, not pink!

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eastended says on Mar 7, 2007, 13:01:

Ah Lisa, you made me feel sick. I think I rather go with a muffin top than a hairy chick. Hair on women is just not right, might be natural... but not right,
The thing with the middle easterns is that you have to deal with the whole religion thing. Not fun and does not create the kind of family xmas we all like - a lot of awkard silences and frictions. I should know, my brother married one. Thank God that divorce is now going through, and I moan about a lot of us Colombians being somewhat ignorant, they take it to another level.
The ones you know seem to be quite modern with the plastic surgery and all that... they probably do not worship the God I am thinking of.

------I intent to live forever; so far, so good-------

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Mar 7, 2007, 13:06:

a muffin top, I have to laugh about this expresion jajja...

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eastended says on Mar 7, 2007, 13:11:

next time you see a muffin top, remember me Kat, bit miserable out right now in the UK, but just you wait a few months... just you wait...

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Lisa Zee says on Mar 7, 2007, 13:24:

I had a Brazilian bikini wax once And OMG!....It looked like Hitler, LOL, ja,ja,ja. Yes eastended, hairy women are not attractive, but we should not play too much with nature aether. How are the European women, do they really not shave or wax their under arms??.

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podborski says on Mar 7, 2007, 13:37:

'just you wait A FEW MONTHS'..!!!

jajaja! Only a brit or a canuck would say that with a straight face.

By the way, I know where the most beautiful women are, but I'm not telling anyone. Somewhere in eastern europe is all I will say.

I find women from Bogota to be really, well maybe not so much beautiful as exotic, sexy and playful. Their skin has a great healthy glow and they have the BEST smiles, perfect white teeth and full lips.

In zona rosa I see the coolest hairstyles, unlike I've seen anywhere else, and the average colombiana loves to play with her gorgeous long dark hair. At least when I am staring anyways..

There are some hot argentinas, but they have long noses and their skin is not so great. By age 35 they are a horror show, far worse than north american women even. I think it's all the sun and smoking.

I'm starting to sound like morphus.

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podborski says on Mar 7, 2007, 13:38:

have you heard of 'camel toe' kat? there is a LOT of that in Colombia

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eastended says on Mar 7, 2007, 13:52:

"jajaja! Only a brit or a canuck would say that with a straight face." just as well I'm not a Brit cos I didn't have a straight face when I wrote it :-)

"How are the European women, do they really not shave or wax their under arms??."

Lisa, it is like everything really, you get all sorts and I have no real point of reference as I have not been out with Americans. You see American women 'feel' about everything... for example, 'oh papi, that palm tree is making me feel fat today...' that kinda thing However, I do think Colombianas look after themselves better. Like I said before, they really own their feminity, in general of course.

I have noticed that the Spanish ones are guarras, cochinas. The mention of a shower to them mid-week is like showing a Cross to satan. Of course I am generalising but over the years, I have had to share places and live with Spanish and Italians at times and their hygine leaves a lot to be desired. Thank God I have my own place now and no bloody torera guarra is invited in - ever. It does not matter what they look like, they can look like Penelope Cruz, but the stupid abnoxious accent alone is a big NO NO.

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eastended says on Mar 7, 2007, 14:02:

podborski, not many argentinians in London, I would assume because of the Falklands war when they cheekly tried to steal the archipielago from Britain - however, Italians are close relatives of the argentinians and you are right, a italian woman hits 30 and that familiar friend of ours, Mr Gravity, pays them a visit and hits them quicker than they can say hi, they probably don't know what hit them!

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ecco says on Mar 7, 2007, 14:02:

"How are the European women, do they really not shave or wax their under arms??."

I've not seen under the arms of many women here (Sevilla) but from what I have seen mostly from beach trips, most are ok. The first time I did see hairy armpits on a woman coming in the other direction I distinctly remember some kind of chill in my spine as I hadn't seen it before and was not expecting it. I have seen that a lot more do have kind of hairy fore-arms. Not bad but enough to make me not want to notice again. It isn't so appealing to me.
Apart from that I like the women here as there are lots of brunettes with long straight hair which is exactly what I really do like.

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podborski says on Mar 7, 2007, 14:17:

eastender I have had some interesting chats with cab drivers, and you'd be surprised how often they only half jokingly suggest argentina would have been better off if the brits had not been driven off the 2 times they tried to invade way back when.

But the falklands thing is still a real sore spot, jaja!

Did you know the cheeky bastards built the memorial to the men lost in that war right across the street from the existing british monument (to who knows what)? I think that's hilarious really.

As for the argentinas, well sometimes I am amazed at just how many stunningly beautiful (young) women are walking around here, but really they are creidos in the extreme, and my local pals call them 'histerico' which I take it means really, really flighty.

Some of the old broads who have had bad facelifts (there are so very many) are downright scary. They all smoke and have voices deeper than I do.

Just look at some photos of argy celebrities, honestly one of them I am sure is a man, gives me shivers.

I'll stick with Colombianas.

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miamimike says on Mar 7, 2007, 14:26:

Kat I thought The Colombian Chicas In London lived in those "Council Estates" Apartments and dressed in their Burberry Caps and clothing. The Londoners call 'em Chavs and their Older Kids are known as NEETS. Is this true? Jijiji

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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goin_south says on Mar 7, 2007, 15:02:

Now, there's 'camels' in Colombia?? Damn! Something new every day.

Is Gabriel Garcia Marquez from Colombia?

Where do we go from here?

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sandramoreno80 says on Mar 7, 2007, 15:22:

Yeah Podborski there's alot of "camel hoof" in Colombia (that's what we call it here in England), too many extremely tight jeans on women.

Neets? I haven't heard of that one miamimike, but the chavs yeah in their sports gear (track suits), Reebok classic trainers, burberry caps and lots of bling ie. 9 carot gold chains and stud earrings bought from Argos (a catalogue chain of shops in the UK)

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miamimike says on Mar 7, 2007, 19:20:

Sandramoreno, The Neets are The Kids of the Chavs, LOL and it its an acronym for " Youths Not in Employment, Education or Training " Pretty much Bums/vagos. Here is a link to the whole story. Seems they live a pretty stress free life. LOL


http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=2928793&page=1

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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eastended says on Mar 7, 2007, 21:55:

Podbroski, what makes me laugh is that the Argentinians actually thought they had a chance against the British... that is so funny; I imagine that lot in a meeting round a big table sharing coffee and croissants and telling each other, 'we will take them on and drive them out...' bright sparks, aren't they. I bet they won't be trying that again soon...

As for the Chavs, they are people too and have feelings you know. Most of them can only feel when they are on ecstasy though or when their noses collapse from so much coke. I heard Burberry had a real crisis as their label has become the hallmark for the chavs.

Lots of them in London, chavs - you often seeing around driving Ford Fiestas and Escorts, GTIs of course and generally causing low level anti-social behaviour, where do they breed these people eh!?

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kalder says on Mar 8, 2007, 00:54:

Falklands War I'll apologise in advance for this; I know there's enough vulgarity on here to exhaust the most jaded of readers. But eastended's remarks about the Falklands prompts me, irrestistably, to share a British pop song with you, which was popular at the time of said conflict. It's called 'Buenos Aires':

"There was a load of bloody fairies in Buenos bloody Aires.
With greasy hair and sweaty bums, they'd never heard of Boddington's.
A different culture and a different race, - no chippies in the f*cking place.
You can keep that poof Ardiles, we're going to have your Malvinas
Eh Up!

They got our backs up without a doubt, time to sort those Argies out
Costa Mendez lives in fear of real men who can hold their beer.
Eh! Eh! Eh! The lads are on their way,
With bayonets and tommy guns and bellies full of Boddington's
Eh Up!

Fray Bentos and cheap red wine is all they eat in the Argentine.
But after a scrap with the English Navy, they'll ask for the recipe for chips 'n' gravy."

Poetic enough in its own way. It's a tragedy I can't share the music with you; toe-tapping stuff I assure you.

And for the non-British I'll supply the following glossary:

Boddington's = a brand of beer
Chippies = fast food outlets serving chips (aka French fries)
Fray Bentos = brand of corned beef
Eh up = dialect expression used in northern England as a mode of emphasis

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Mar 8, 2007, 04:00:

I don't know many Colombians in London, I only know one Colombia that lives an hour from where I live, and she dress smartly. Actually she doesn't look Colombian many people think she is from thailandia or china :( she is from Bucaramanga.


I think Danish girls or Scandinavian girls are gorgeous, legs up to the armpits gorgeous hair, golden tan and the most beautiful blue or green eyes you have ever seen and gorgeous bodies. I was there a couple of years ago and even i was staring!!

Another place were I think there are gorgeous women are Brazil, specially in that city call Salvador.

BTW what is a "camel toe" :S

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tomtom33 says on Mar 8, 2007, 04:19:

You had to ask. The camel toe is formed by the Y in the female anatomy, as Lisa so succinctly put it, the twat. There are whole Internet sites devoted to the camel toe. Google it.

Tell us more about you staring at the Swedish girls.

Frankly, I have yet to visit a place with ugly girls. Of course I have not widely travelled, and I absolutely love women of all types especially the ones with big eyes.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Mar 8, 2007, 04:25:

So tomtom, Japaneses girl are out of the book then :)

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kalder says on Mar 8, 2007, 04:33:

tomtom33 "Frankly, I have yet to visit a place with ugly girls."

You obviously haven't set foot on this Sceptered Isle then :)

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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tomtom33 says on Mar 8, 2007, 04:35:

You have me there. I am not a big fan of Asian ladies. But I have never been to the Orient.

Hell, I've never even been to Sweden. What do I know? But I was born in Minneapolis, Swede capital of the US.

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tomtom33 says on Mar 8, 2007, 04:39:

Kalder I have yet to jump the pond. But I do intend to some summer. I think I can afford one day in London, two in Sweden, and two in Norway. I do have a friend in Belfast. Maybe he can put me up for a night.

Porque me gusta Colombia.

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kalder says on Mar 8, 2007, 04:49:

tomtom33 As you imply, they're all expensive places friend. But interesting enough. Don't miss out on Denmark though. It's one of the cheaper Scandinavian countries and it's lovely. Clean, friendly, safe. Great food and beer. Fascinating museums, churches etc.

But for especially beautiful women, Italy is a must. Hungary too.

BTW: In Britain 'Asian' usually refers to the Indian sub-continent. London is full of Indian girls and, IMHO, they are the most attractive ethnic group in the city. Slim, well-groomed, elegant. They certainly beat the overweight, badly dressed and pasty 'natives' in the aesthetics stakes.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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elmodefoque says on Mar 8, 2007, 05:25:

If those Scandinavian women could only dance, they would be the world’s most perfect broads. No doubt they are beautiful, no other women even come close, but when they start dancing, big fokin turn off.
All is not lost, with proper guidance and lots of lessons they could be taught to dance like barranquilleras. I don’t think rhythm is a racial thing, and I’ll tell you why.
A couple years ago in Miami after a long day of fishing, my buddies and I went to Mangos in South Beach. There, I saw the most beautiful girl I’ve ever seen in my life, blue eyed blonde and very shapely. I was across from her salivating for most of the night and thinking damn, she’s so pretty it fokin hurts, I can’t stand to look a her any longer, she’s really taking my fokin breath away and I’m beginning to pass out. My buddies notice I was unusually quiet, not my normal blabber mouth and asked, what the fuck was wrong with me. I said “nada marica” In fact, I was fokin in love.
This broad is gotta be one of those Swedish model chicks very prevalent in south beach. Finally, she gets up to dance salsa with a scumbag greasy latin looking guy.
WOW!! I could not believe it , she’s moving just like a Latina, it blew my mind.
I immediately grabbed the nearest broad to me, it turned out to be una gordita chiquita con cuerpo como una panela de Bucaramanga (where the fok is that). All I wanted to do was get close to her and find out what kind of accent that blonde had, but la gordita kept yapping away. Lo and behold, that stunning chick was speaking fokin Cuban and I’m talking right off the boat Cuban. To this date she is the perfect woman in my book.

ASK NOT WHAT THE PUSSY CAN DO FOR YOU, BUT WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR THAT PUSSY!!!!!!!!!! CAT LOVER

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elmodefoque says on Mar 8, 2007, 05:37:

When I saw that beautiful blonde get up to dance with a greasy spic, it got me really upset. If she likes spics, then why not me? No way no how you gonna find a greasier modefoque than me.

ASK NOT WHAT THE PUSSY CAN DO FOR YOU, BUT WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR THAT PUSSY!!!!!!!!!! CAT LOVER

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tomtom33 says on Mar 8, 2007, 05:53:

Denmark? If I have time. My father was full-blood Norse, and Mother is full-blood Swede. I have some roots stuff to do.

Glad you mentioned the Italian women. My second language is Latin, and Rome has always held an interest. The women will add the spice. Maybe the combination of Latin and Spanish can yield a little Italian.

I don't mind slim women as long as they have big eyes. Asian is the US PC term for all people on the western side of the Pacific rim.

Loved the Cubanas. Hated Cuba. And I could not speak Cuban.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Mar 8, 2007, 06:34:

Elmo I thought you said the most beautiful woman you have ever seen was in NY either in a shopping center or supermarket and it was Indian (from India) I think you are getting very old!!

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podborski says on Mar 8, 2007, 06:38:

cubans are the best dancers punto...in my objective opinion. Colombians are a close second.

Colombians have a lot more class (style, good manners, education etc.) though. IMHO.

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podborski says on Mar 8, 2007, 06:44:

good song kalder! I love the british sense of humour. I still laugh at the remark my east end london boss made when the argies beat England in THE football match, '(string of expletives) oh, I suppose now the bloody argies will take up cricket!'

One local guy here was complaining to me that the brits sank the belgrano when it was outside the 200 mile limit or whatever (true I think?)

But I'm thinking, you're at fucking war, what do you expect? You're not in a schoolyard drawing lines and daring people not to cross. Not like it was a medical ship or something.

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podborski says on Mar 8, 2007, 06:53:

japan is a good example of a place where the women are not so hot. Bow legged, horrible teeth, no asses, short.

But the odd one is spectacular. Japanese mixed with other races seems to really work well.

Hmmm, maybe the reason the japanese are not so physically attractive is because they have such a closed society (even today) and they don't have the mix of blood that most other places have?

In general, I think asians are very attractive, so I'm not biased against them.

Japanese women are surprisingly UNinhibited in bed however, I will give them that.

I would hate to see a japanese girl try dancing salsa though.

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kalder says on Mar 8, 2007, 06:54:

Glad you liked the song podborski.

I'm also damned glad 'we' won the Falklands War. Not through any strong jingoistic sentiment. More because of the issues involved: On one hand, you had the people who actually lived on the islands wanting to remain governed by a liberal democracy. On the other, you had a murderous dictatorship robbing those people of that choice at gunpoint. The British victory was a victory of democracy over tyranny.

Argentinea losing the conflict also had the knock on effect of bringing down the junta and ushering in democracy there.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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Gomezman5 says on Mar 8, 2007, 06:57:

"Muffin top" ? Hmmmm. I'll go for the "muff". You can have the muffin, muffin top, or whatever. :) ja ja

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podborski says on Mar 8, 2007, 07:05:

yeah that's true kalder it was the end of the dictatorship here, and that is a great achievement. But you should see the military presence here, it's everywhere. Massive miltary schools (like covering 6 city blocks, maybe more), huge housing projects for miltary personnel. Despite the great literary history here, all the monuments I see are for generals.

I've said here many times before though, I've never seen a place where people over-estimate themselves as much as they do here, it's quite remarkable.

Exaggerating one's abilities is taken to a such a high level here they have even a word for it, which I can't recall right now, something like 'chanta'.

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kalder says on Mar 8, 2007, 07:18:

podborski I hear that Argentina is a very difficult place to live in. The people are neurotic; the bureaucracy is excessive; corruption is rife. Somebody described it to me as 'a Colombia without the smiles'.
How do you find it?
And, regarding the military, has anyone ever been brought to account for all those 'Desaparecidos', stolen babies, tortures etc.?

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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podborski says on Mar 8, 2007, 07:54:

well it's not that bad! but it does have bureaucracy galore and massive corruption. There seems to always be a story in the paper about some crime committed by sons or relatives of important people, and somehow these crimes never seem to make it to trial, despite eyewitnesses etc. Sometimes the witnesses 'decide' not to testify, some of them go missing, as happened recently to a guy named Lopez who was going to testify about the disappearances (or something related).

I very much doubt ANYONE will ever be held to account for the shit that went on during the dictatorship.

The people in general can be very arrogant and obnoxious (guys in suits will piss on the front of your house in broad daylight) BUT the really bad ones are exceptions. Argentines can be as friendly as colombians, once you get to know them.

Outside of BsAs the people are extemely friendly, like colombians.

In general, I prefer colombians, but it is relatively 'safer' here, and there is a lot to see and do and I can go ANYWHERE without having to ask first if it's safe.

The longer I stay, the more I like it, but like anyone, I like to rant or vent once in a while.

Being a Canadian, I'm pretty reserved and get annoyed when anyone breaks any 'rule' like cutting a line or driving through a red light, but I can also appreciate the liberty people have here, it's a bit of 'anything goes' which in theory I am all for, but I need time to adjust to it.

I think this is Rubito's dream place, actually.

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podborski says on Mar 8, 2007, 07:59:

one last thing kalder the climate is spectacular. I've been all over the world and this is the best weather I have ever seen, by far.

And for a huge city, the air is very clean. Seems to be nearly constant breezes.

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podborski says on Mar 8, 2007, 15:59:

the name is from an italian saint according to a guide book I just read, but that doesn't make a lot of sense to me unless they chose the saint because of the 'buen ayre' part of the saint's name.

Anyway, I think it's as cheap or cheaper here rubito...but prices are rising rapidly (from very low levels).

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manINred says on Mar 8, 2007, 16:02:

From my experience Buenos Aires is cheaper Honestly, I spent less money on booze/wine/rent/food (such amazing food) during my month living there than I can remember. And I lived right in the centre, Recoleta, the most expensive neighbourhood. It is a damn cheap place at the moment, cheaper than colombia

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Portena says on Mar 8, 2007, 18:15:

Everyone I ran into in Argentina was friendly (the men were charming flirts), except for a cab driver who got momentarily psychotic, slammed on his brakes, and pulled over when he thought he'd picked up the wrong people. Yelled at us: "What is your name? What is your name?" I went to San Telmo alone (in a taxi) late at night to meet up with some friends, and didn't seem to need a squad of secret service types to stay safe. It still astounds me that Bush's daughter got her purse stolen when she had all those body guards with her.

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alleycat says on Mar 8, 2007, 19:11:

elmo is spot-on colombia's women have nothing over any other women regarding "beautiful" physical characteristics. They do seem to be preoccupied with appearance, however, getting the most out of what they have. This can mislead people into believing otherwise. Colombian people also seem to be relatively young(in actual age) compared with other places. This can distort things as well because younger people are with few exceptions far more attractive than older folks. Most observers will choose a 20 year old over a 40 year old as being more sexually attractive even if the 40 year old has better bone structure, etc. Just go to any college campus and then a PTA meeting. Pretty obvious.

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CaptainHowdy says on Mar 8, 2007, 19:34:

Well, yeah!!! I think it's safe to say that most any guy will take a sweet, young thing over a 40's woman. Men are all about physical appearance. I personally prefer short to medium height girls, thinner than most guys like, and an "A" cup or no more than a "B" cup. Big breasts, especially FAKE breasts, are such a turn off. But then again, FAKE blondes, FAKE smiles, FAKE laughs are all huge turn offs for me. Gimme a real girl, not a pretentious, FAKE one. And, by the way, WHY are there so many girls that are FAKE blondes? Do they all think they look better??? Gimme real, man, gimme real!!!

Teaching preteens the things they need to know!

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eastended says on Mar 8, 2007, 21:53:

I once had a girlfriend who was so ugly that I took her to Ecuador and she was STILL ugly... and that's saying something cos I have never met a good looking ecuadorian...

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Man Tequila says on Mar 8, 2007, 22:33:

Buenos Aires can be as cheap as Colombia. I found it cheaper than Bogotá. This is probably temporary.

Colombian women in their 30s and 40s often look younger than Canadian women in their 30s and 40s. They are certainly more preoccupied with physical appearance.

I've seen some pretty good looking Japanese and Ecuadorian women. I would not expect to see as many beauties in Quito as in Stockholm or Bucharest. But beauty is everywhere if you open your eyes.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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kalder says on Mar 9, 2007, 00:44:

I'm with you on that one Rubito. An in-shape, goodlooking older Colombian woman is a thing of beauty.

In fact, an in-shape etc. older woman of any nationality is pretty nice.

My brother lives in Sweden. There you have:
a. A lot of divorced women
b. A culture of fitness and health
c. No BS about women frequenting bars alone

Which all adds up to a 'MILF Heaven'.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Mar 9, 2007, 01:37:

hen she had a good personality, otherwise why you went out with her?


I do agree that some Colombian women look a lot younger than european and North American. many people here can't believe I am in my thirties, some think I am 27 28, and they get a shock when they see me with my 16 year old boy. no that I am complaining jejeje

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utopiacowboy says on Mar 9, 2007, 06:04:

Colombia is a MILF heaven. My wife has always looked at least 10 years younger than her actual age. Actually judging from photos I think she's hotter now than when she was in her 20s.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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kalder says on Mar 9, 2007, 07:34:

It never ceases to amaze me that so many middle-aged gringos go to Colombia, looking to meet a future wife, and insist on bagging a young one. When there's an army of beautiful (and compatible, grateful and low maintenance!)Milfs for the taking.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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gringolondinense says on Mar 9, 2007, 07:46:

was that bagging or banging? yer the kids are always the downside to MILFs. I'd rather be MIA with a younger bit of totty.

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kalder says on Mar 9, 2007, 07:52:

IMHO, kids are fine as long as you've got the financial wherewithal to support them. Which can be a lot.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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Lisa Zee says on Mar 9, 2007, 09:21:

esanch36 You make laugh, "a gringo in pasty armor" ja,ja,ja!!!
I am so glad to see you recommend a book. I never see anyone talking about books here. I love to read, and I have some very interesting books about Colombia, but I think people here are only interested in arguing and talking about women prepagos, and hos!

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podborski says on Mar 9, 2007, 10:11:

when I was 16 I worked as a 'swamper' a guy who loaded and unloaded trucks. I used to laugh at the 30 and 40 something-year-old drivers who would hoot and holler at EVERY girl under the age of 25, they were ALL gorgeous to these guys.

But I thought 'these guys are freakin blind, that (18 year old) girl is uuugggly.'

But now that I am older, I understand those guys completely, every girl under 25 looks great to me.

Who was it who said 'youth is beauty'? (Another applicable one: 'Youth is wasted on the young'.)

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tomtom33 says on Mar 9, 2007, 12:10:

Why not a little of each? Variety is the spice of life. My amigas range from 40 to 18. They all have their advantages. But the older ones are a lot less hassle.

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podborski says on Mar 9, 2007, 15:37:

ok let's talk about literature Lisa! I was reading 100 years of solitude, and you know, just as it got interesting this prepago called me and asked if she could come over, but I had to say no because she was a rola and I prefer bumonguesas, although really if I had a choice a nice slovakian girl would be the ideal. I was in bratislava once and... ;)

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Mar 9, 2007, 15:50:

and.....................
and.....................

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Cindster says on Mar 9, 2007, 15:53:

Well honestly i've met many different colombian girls as friends and it depends on the person some might not like dark skin & some do, i personally don't care but i know my dad does, i went thru hell and back after having a dark skinned hispanic boyfriend in the end it didnt last but it had nothing to do with my dad not approving so any female that accepts you & cares for you will do the impossible even if her parents dont approve. Now i was born here in the US (florida) but ive gone to Medellin MANY times & i lovee it.. my dad my dad lived in barranquila when young for about 5 years & he is a vallenato addict which turned me into one. Vallenato is amazing & since my passion is dancing im LEARNING how to dance vallenato which is actally easy :). Im not conceded or lesbian/bi but i personally think colombian girls are really pretty but it all depends on each guys taste ;)

ciaooo ; cindy

La Colombianita ; Cindy

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podborski says on Mar 9, 2007, 17:11:

and nothing kat I was just kidding Lisa as we (guys) always manage to turn every topic into one about prepagos, where the best looking girls are, etc.

Besides, I'm sure you don't want to know what happened in bratislava. Or you must be alone and bored in that big old castle over there.

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jay1234 says on Mar 9, 2007, 17:41:

esanch The pasty armor is just because I use a ton of bloqueador (SPF 9000). Also I am supporting business, lest Banana Republic goes out of business. Most gringos feel the same way. Also, I think pasty gringo armor is better than looking like langosto. That happened on my last trip.

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Lisa Zee says on Mar 9, 2007, 20:53:

OK Pod, let's The past year I have read: 'JAQUE MATE', by Rosso Jose & Serrano Cadena. 'EL CONFIDENTE DE LA MAFIA SE CONFIESA' by Gustavo Salazar Pineda. 'ROSARIO TIJERAS' by Jorge Francisco Ramos. 'UNTIL DEATH DO US PART' by Ingrid Betancourt. And one of my favorites: 'NO APARENT DANGER' by Victoria Bruce; The true story of volcanic disaster at Galeras and Nevado Del Ruiz.
I got to go, my gorgeous 20 year old hotty boy is in his speedos standing at my door.... Chao.

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utopiacowboy says on Mar 9, 2007, 22:05:

Gringo losers + Colombiana losers = a perfect match. Let's face it. If each of them had any other prospects would they even be messing around with each other? The answer is no but they can't do any beter than this so they're stuck with each other.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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kalder says on Mar 10, 2007, 01:43:

I read 'ROSARIO TIJERAS' this year.

Didn't like it. Odd little book.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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Crazy Eagle says on Mar 10, 2007, 10:40:

my dos pesos The hottest I've seen, in no particular order:

Andorans (from Andorra, North of Spain)
Brazilians
Colombians

All Latin types, best with some black in their background. However, I am a blue-eyed gringo, look Kraut or Russki, so to me the Latin look is very exotic.

Must admit Romanians are very cute too...





"The natural rhythm of life is routine punctuated by orgy" Aldous Huxley

"The natural rhythm of life is routine punctuated by orgy" Aldous Huxley

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johnarizona says on Mar 11, 2007, 21:35:

Looks good, talks stupid, smells bad.... its all in the overall package. The closer she is to little elvis the better she looks.

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podborski says on Mar 12, 2007, 08:51:

me too kalder I wondered if it was just me or maybe I didn't understand it that well due to my somewhat poor spanish comprehension.

I think it was weird.

Clearly I should be reading more books and less PBH.

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Cerealkiller says on Mar 12, 2007, 15:45:

I have always found tons of extremely pretty girls when I go back, I usually feel kind of fea when in Colombia. And my boyfriend says he has never seen a truly gorgeous woman in Colombia, not in Bogota, not in CTG or Santa Marta or BAQ...nothing. He doesnt like big boobs or round curvy j-lo shape (ass), but he doesnt like blonde tall skinny girls either... so i suppose it is extremely relative.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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morphus says on Mar 12, 2007, 16:15:

? " And my boyfriend says he has never seen a truly gorgeous woman in Colombia"

Your boyfriend might be gay :)

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utopiacowboy says on Mar 12, 2007, 22:05:

Yeah, ask him if he's seen any really good-looking guys.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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Cerealkiller says on Mar 13, 2007, 04:21:

I did and he says he hasnt seen beautiful people in Colombia. Its funny how you can just reply he is gay because his beauty standards are totally different from yours guys. Perhaps he just sets his a little bit higher...I mean in all honesty Morphus, I havent seen one picture of you with a decent looking woman.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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podborski says on Mar 13, 2007, 07:35:

is he good looking cereal? if so he is DEFINITELY gay.

Just kidding, this is a joke all us normal looking guys use whenever the girl we are with sees a good looking guy. 'Ah, he's gay.'

Luckily, most of the time it's true.

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podborski says on Mar 13, 2007, 07:40:

the average colombiana is beautiful, maybe not Vogue magazine beautiful, but just healthy looking, sexy, well dressed, etc.

But along with the huge number of very attractive colombianas are more than a few just spectacularly gorgeous, exotic ones. I think I see about 3 a week when I am in zona rosa in bogotá, but sometimes you see 3 in an hour.

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Cerealkiller says on Mar 13, 2007, 09:08:

ha ha ha Podborski, so what if he was butt ugly? Would that mean not gay? :P I dont know, he says none of the girls he has seen in colombia quite makes it for him. I know he pervs other girls though, I am not saying my bf doesnt like girls, he just doesnt think colombian girls are the best looking bunch, he doesnt think shakira is hot, or sofia vergara...nothing, he says theyre too blah...but if show him a Natalie Portman kind of girl then everything changes...

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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morphus says on Mar 13, 2007, 12:46:

CK, I don't expect you to have the same taste in women as me. Are you a muff diver? I tried going for you but you rejected me. Now i'm stuck with ugly Colombianas :)

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Cerealkiller says on Mar 13, 2007, 13:48:

Thats true morphus, each to their own, and I am not gay at all. I can tell when a woman is attractive, just as you can tell when some guy is good looking. Difference is I am not afraid of saying it out loud.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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elmodefoque says on Mar 14, 2007, 11:49:

Two broads I will NOT boink.
Nicole Kidman, she does absolutely nothing for me, too damn pale, too tall, shapeless and looks like someone’s boring first grade teacher.
The other broad is that ugly skinny thing, Spice something married to that famous guy who plays soccer, can’t recall the name right now. I could be released from prison after 7 years with a bottle of guaro case of beer and handful of Viagra and I still WON’Tdo her. She grosses me out. A guys who likes women with her shape also likes 7 year old boys, same body.

ASK NOT WHAT THE PUSSY CAN DO FOR YOU, BUT WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR THAT PUSSY!!!!!!!!!! CAT LOVER

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podborski says on Mar 14, 2007, 12:11:

I agree with your bf cereal, and with elmenos too.

Shakira is ok, but nothing at all special. Sophia is big all over and is going to be be huge in a few years. Just not my type. Natalie Portman is breathtaking. Saw her years ago in that movie Beautiful Girls (bad movie, great soundtrack) and you could tell she was going to be something. Hated 'Closer' but would buy the DVD for some scenes.

Nicole Kidman is dull, nothing there at all.

My type: Jessica Alba, Penelope Cruz, Salma Hayek, and that gorgeous Colombiana wearing a cute hat, great smile, perfect english, that I chatted with in the BBC in zona rosa a few months ago. So unfortunate she was married. I'm thinking I'll wait around hoping she gets divorced.

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podborski says on Mar 14, 2007, 12:14:

oh, and Halle Berry of course can't forget her.

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morphus says on Mar 14, 2007, 20:58:

Natalie Portman looks plain to me. She does'nt have that slutty quality. I know better looking girls in Colombia.

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morphus says on Mar 14, 2007, 21:14:

Posh Spice Nothing there either :)

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morphus says on Mar 14, 2007, 21:59:

Nicole Kidman

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goin_south says on Mar 14, 2007, 23:14:

Romanticizing Colombia. In regards to the OP... I don't think Colombia needs romanticized more. Damn!!! That is why we go there (COLOMBIA), come here(CNNPBSH), have an everlasting void and lack of experiencing the culture, and ... WANT THE WOMEN. :)
:)
:) The only thing painful about it, is that I can't get there frequently enough. For now.

Where do we go from here?

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podborski says on Mar 15, 2007, 12:51:

but morphus for many guys it is getting that innocent looking Natalie to be a wild surprise in the bedroom that is the real turn on.

Anyway, she isn't plain, she is really gorgeous.

Oh, and Wynona Ryder too.

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kalder says on Mar 15, 2007, 13:17:

Ugly Spice Posh Spice is considered uggers over here.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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kalder says on Mar 15, 2007, 13:26:

And, on the other hand, we have Caterina Murino...


Who is definitely not uggers!

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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kalder says on Mar 15, 2007, 13:39:

And, oh lordy yes Podborski...Salma Hayek

Most assuredly not uggers!

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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aztec says on Mar 16, 2007, 06:38:

Salma Hayek Bad news fellers. She is pregnant and planning to marry.


Agree with Elmo about Spice. She looks anorexic. BUT, The other two previously listed beauties. WOW. Even my wife agrees with that!

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mecca says on Mar 16, 2007, 08:08:

for shear beauty The select american girl can't be beat in my opinion. It's just that their attitude and tatoos spoil the goods. I think if you go to Colombia, you'll see a highter number of attractive girls but if you spend your time in California you'll see the best looking (though far, far fewer than colombia).

You also can't count the women with children in the super hot category, their bodies just can't hold up to a 20 year old in any culture. (Kidman, Posh, Hayek, etc.)

The featurs of american girls can't be beat in the select "super hot" ones, they dominate.

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