Roll call for Colombianos and Colombianas..... Say "Presente!!!!".....

Colombiche says on Nov 25, 2005, 07:54:

Desi, Platano You guys are honorary citizens ;)

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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platano says on Nov 25, 2005, 07:57:

Colombiche, Thank you! Colombia could not have a better defender than you, Colombiche! Re: Spanish only... I agree with you... the rules are pretty clear that Spanish is allowed everywhere, English is allowed in all but one forum.

plátano

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Colombiche says on Nov 25, 2005, 08:44:

Yeah GringodeL My suspicions are being confirmed.....

Most Colombianos probably got tired of all the trash talking and devoted their times to more worthwhile endeavours.

So basically this page is really "A foreigner's twisted vision of Colombia for other foreigners. No Colombian input required."

You are right. There is a lot of overall negativity and disrespect in this forum. What makes me laugh is that many of the people posting haven't even been to Colombia yet or have very limited exposure to it, yet they feel qualified to make sweeping judgements.

Since Colombians make up the minority, negative posters get away with murder.

What a shame.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Nov 25, 2005, 08:44:

I'm honoured thanx, colombiche.
Kat's been there too (when she's on the fighting mood), me and platano chime in (unless it's something I have absolutely no idea about), juanalejo and monpirri have been posting,Lucia Rojas too, pepster is another active Col poster, caballista much less recently, would like adela and paisa28 post more, especially when it's about 100% Colombian issues.

There are a couple of Colombian posters on War and Politics; good, consistent debating that's informative reading for us who are living a bit further away.

Cheers,
Desi
(I'm sure I've omitted at least two or three important Colombian posters)
Embrace your uniqueness. Time is much too short to be living someone
else's life.

-Kobi Yamada

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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Colombiche says on Nov 25, 2005, 08:49:

Yeah Kat has been speaking up a lot lately.

I think these days the only Colombian women who actually post here are Lucia Rojas, Adela, Kat, Caballista and myself. Carolain has been quiet as of late, so has Lauthra, mrs Gomez left... Did I leave anybody out?

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Colombiche says on Nov 25, 2005, 08:51:

Ahh .. Paisa29 as well. Another colombiana. Adrimm also has Colombian blood and lived in colombia for a while.

Desi, Webmanco is another active colombiano poster in this forum who actually helps me balance the scale.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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cam0940 says on Nov 25, 2005, 08:52:

Sweetness. She was Colombian, but living in NYC. She had some interesting things to say.

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Colombiche says on Nov 25, 2005, 08:54:

Never heard of sweetness There was also Stefania and Alejandrita.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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cam0940 says on Nov 25, 2005, 08:55:

BxUnika. Plus there was that girl Silvie, not to be confused with SilviaT, who usually participates in Visa related questions. And of course, at the behest of Desi, Mrs. Cam tried to post a few times but she doesn't speak enough English to get involved in the English discussions.

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mrgizmo says on Nov 25, 2005, 09:27:

PBH Mejor Que El Tiempo As I said when I first started reading PBH, this is better than reading El Tiempo newspaper, it's entertaining and informative at the same time. It's interesting to hear the extensive variety of believes and philosophies from both Colombians as well as foreigners to Colombia. Also many foreigners or will-be foreigners to Colombia are mis-informed about the Colombian culture and protocol, that's what makes it sooooo entertainment at times. I've lived in L.A. for about 38 years and here most Americans think that if you speak Spanish you eat tacos and enchiladas everyday and salsa picante, and if you lived in NY back in the 60s you were automatically Puerto Rican. We try to educate people thru this medium but only a few, the majority will continue with their erroneous believes. Let's continue posting, like I said at least it's entertaining and informative, keep up the good work.

Behind every successful man, there's a nagging woman

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utopiacowboy says on Nov 25, 2005, 09:33:

You know 80% of anything I write is just my wife's opinions passed on through me. You just happen to disagree with her opinions. As I said before, do I post on a Canada site or a Texas site? No, I don't. It's just so familiar and mundane who wants to talk about it? This is pretty much why my wife doesn't post herself. In fact I will frequently ask what she thinks about some issue or question and then I might pass it on. In a few years, if we move to Colombia and I'm a citizen, then what? All of a sudden my opinion will go up in value? I think outsiders and newcomers frequently have a sharper eye than the natives and see things without blinkers or preconceptions. My wife will ask me about a lot of things here that we take for granted and never give a moment's thought to. Are her questions and comments about Texas without validity? I think not.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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COLDK says on Nov 25, 2005, 09:34:

Presente!! Well Im really not good for discussions ...

But it is good idea to have an idea of howmany colombians here.

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DanielPaisa says on Nov 25, 2005, 09:37:

Presente I have been better as a reader than a poster, but sure, i will stand for colombia any day... i miss ColX

Daniel, el Paisa

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caslug says on Nov 25, 2005, 09:40:

BX and Slyvie are gringas.. that have lots of COL friends, but they´re not COL AND BX has not visited COL(but she is planning to) and Slyvie, by her own admission only hangout with the uppercrust COL crowd.

But this site is geared toward foriegner due to the site being in english. So the views are foreigner/tourist centric. Nothing wrong with that, it´s just another POV. I think if someone spanish is REALLY good, then there must be other site that have COL IN COL posting, ie, el tiemo or caliescali forums. Of course those sites are ALL in spanish.

I´ve met TONS of foreigners in COL, the VAST majority of them live SEPERATELY than 90% of COLs. They live in expensive neighborhood and dont really rub elbows with most COL. Heck the vast majority DONT even take the bus! There nothing wrong with that, it´s how they chose to live, just like other foreigner choose to live the COL lifestyle, neither is better than the other.

COL doesn´t need people defending her on some internet site, COL does fine enough on her own, when foriegner visit they will discover for themselves the good with the bad. If they are openminded folks then they will see more good than bad. COL people dont sugarcoat their problems, they accept it as part of reality. I find that while they don´t volunteer negative information, they certainly have no problem talking about it in a objective and inform manner.

Only on this site do i see ¨COL¨ taking offense to something foreigner say or think. When I talk with my COL friends about crime, poverty, sexism, infidelity or other ¨contraversal¨ subject we have very enlighten conversation. And both side come out of the conversation much better inform, i on the culture they on how foreigner view the subject.

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Colombiche says on Nov 25, 2005, 09:54:

Utopia I am sure if I was to actually sit down and have a talk with your wife, we would probably agree on a few things. Just because we are both paisas it doesn't mean that we have to see eye to eye on everything. Let's say Colombia has 40,000,000 inhabitants, minus your wife and I there are still 39,999,998 voices left.

I think a constructive foreigner's point of view can be very refreshing (I really enjoy posts by Kernow, Platano, Cam, Desi, Rubiazo, DWMTE...), I have even seen some really good posts by Mario, BXUnika and heck Utopia, eventhough I bump heads with you half the time, I am fond of your goofy online persona in a strange sort of way ;)

......but not all of the foreigners that post here are actually constructive and open minded. Many are pompous, boisterous and insulting. What frustrates me is seeing how on the education thread, most of the negative opinions came from people that didn't have much experience with the COL educational system. It is all pure speculation, but somebody reading it might take it as etched on stone if they don't know any better.

Well sorry that I have issues with people saying things like "Colombianas drop their panties for gringos" or "Colombians are uneducated morons who don't contribute much to society", or "Let's get 600,000 Colombians on a plane back to Bogota" or "Colombian men are ugly and unfaithful".

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Miguel says on Nov 25, 2005, 10:16:

Colombiche Shirly es colombiana/currambera.

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webmanco says on Nov 25, 2005, 11:04:

Count me in


COLOMBIA

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Nov 25, 2005, 11:09:

I apologise, pedro for not having included you in my short list of active colombianos carrying the flag in defense of all things Colombian. I'll be in B/tá sometime Jan/Feb and will be at a meet-up, how's that?

Cheers,
Desi

Embrace your uniqueness. Time is much too short to be living someone
else's life.

-Kobi Yamada

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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webmanco says on Nov 25, 2005, 11:12:

Desi, I look forward to see you I am sure many of PBH residents in Bogotá will be eager to see you as well.




Diciembre

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Nov 25, 2005, 11:15:

I hope they won't be too sorely disappointed:) I'm not exactly larger than life....

Cheers,
Desi
(looking forward to meeting all of you too:)

Embrace your uniqueness. Time is much too short to be living someone
else's life.

-Kobi Yamada

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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Colombiche says on Nov 25, 2005, 11:47:

Desi I am sure Pedro won't dissapoint you either. He is quite the gentleman and the best Bogota guide by far.

Make sure he takes you for some "masato".

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Nov 25, 2005, 12:00:

I argue, defende, battle when I argue, defende, battle, when is something that really annoys, like the last two post of my dear friend Elmo, I still like him, but his post made me see green :( but another times like Webmanco said is like fighting against a brick wall, how many times we been having the same arguments on and on and the posts keep coming back again and again, and the end a palabras necia oidos sordos. But still, I will do my best when I get my fighting mode in gear again, I have to look after my blood pressure you know jejej

BTW Another strong Colombiana, Harocha

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Lucia Rojas says on Nov 25, 2005, 12:26:

Presente, presente
in Colombia, happy and posting......Its finally stopped raining for a while... I've been out under the sun!!!

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litost says on Nov 25, 2005, 12:27:

Presente!

Si alguno de ustedes viene por los lados de Paris, me avisa.

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litost says on Nov 25, 2005, 12:29:

It snowed today in Paris, only the second time in my life... estaba como un niño chiquito.

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Lucia Rojas says on Nov 25, 2005, 12:32:

so I heard que se veia todo divino... por la tardecita....

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Nov 25, 2005, 12:53:

kat, yes how could I have forgotten harocha!

Have a glass of merlot, kat. It's good for you blood pressure and your heart, better than any medicines.

litost,
you're having more snow in Paris than we here up in the north. It's balmy 7 degrees centi and the winds from the south.

Lucia, glad you guys have got a bit of sunshine there. There's some sun here too, November sunshine that illuminates the sky but gives no warmth.

Cheers,
Desi

Embrace your uniqueness. Time is much too short to be living someone
else's life.

-Kobi Yamada

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Nov 25, 2005, 12:55:

it snowed yesterday here in the UK, it's very cold today. brrrrrrrrrr, I will have that bottle of merlot Desi, to warm up :)

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utopiacowboy says on Nov 25, 2005, 13:05:

I certainly never said that Colombians are uneducated morons. How could I say that when I can see firsthand looking at the four Colombians I live with that such is not the case? My wife is a chemical engineer and the three kids are always on the honor roll. The middle guy was a slacker but he's pulled himself up now thanks to the beneficial influence of his girlfriend.

As for the 600,000 getting on a plane back to Colombia, at times, yes I do feel that way when I read about how horrible it is for all these Colombian ex-pats to be suffering in the US. When I read about how much they hate the US and how they are longing to be back in Colombia, hell yeah, I think, sure, buddy, you and the rest of these ungrateful wretches can get your asses back to Colombia right now. OTOH, the four Colombians that I live with, who have not lost their own sense of identity, are happy and grateful to be living here.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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silviat says on Nov 25, 2005, 13:57:

Presente in the Nw of the US but with half of a piece of heart in la tierrita.

By the way, platano isnt colombian? Wow I am impressed, I've read him discuss colombian politics with more passion than many of us.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Nov 25, 2005, 14:02:

UC, did count them? UC, did you count them?

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cam0940 says on Nov 25, 2005, 14:05:

Culote-Jaguar, if you are not Cristal, then how do you remember him since his handle only lasted 24 hours and you've only been a member for a day and a half?

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platano says on Nov 25, 2005, 15:38:

GDL, I think the purpose of this post is to let Colombiche know she is not alone, though she does an excellent job regardless of what she is posting on.

Fue una oportunidad para decirle a Colombiche que la queremos mucho y no está sola en la batalla.

Silvia: por desgracia, por equivocación de nacer en otro país, no soy colombiano pero en Colombia me han acusado de ser "platanizado" :)

plátano

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silviat says on Nov 25, 2005, 15:43:

wow tan chevere tu amor por el pais

es que yo estaba convencida de que eras colombiano... por lo que te digo en algunos foros sobre politica colombiana en los que he participado he leido aportes tuyos que me parecen muy apasionados e interesantes...

Pero creciste ahi? te platanizaste en colombia? o como llegaste a tener esta relacion con el pais

saludos

Silvia

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pepster says on Nov 25, 2005, 16:18:

Platano Yo estoy de acuerdo con Colombiche, pero se debe cuidar de hacer los mismos tipo de generalizaciones que creo muchos en esta pagina (incluyendo yo) hacen.

The Pepster

ColombianBlog.com

The Pepster ColombianBlog.com

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platano says on Nov 25, 2005, 17:19:

Silvia, Yo quise aprender español asi que conseguí trabajo en Medallo donde viví seis años antes de mi secuestro por la guerrilla. Luego pasé a Cali (esperando que la guerrilla no fuera tan organizada que me podía localizar). En Calí viví otros seis años. En Cali me volví salsero y encontré el amor de mi vida (ya con dos niños abordo, pues adolescentes). Ellos querían estudiar en USA en universidades gringas. Ya estamos todos acá, norte del charco, ellos en Texas, nosotros no lejos de Victoria, British Columbia, Canada extrañando a Colombia con planes de volver como muchos. Si algún día piensas visitar a Victoria déjanos saber y nos encontramos por un ajiaco auténtico en nuestro restaurante colombiano.

plátano

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adela says on Nov 25, 2005, 17:38:

From Cali/Desde Cali
Presente!!!!Colombiche y presente a todos queridos amigos de PBH. I can feel that great sensation of December in all the city, as same my feelings about you posters !!!!!

Màs fe, màs abrazos, màs besos, màs disculpas, màs visitas a nuestros amigos antiguos nos haràn màs plenos cada vez.

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silviat says on Nov 25, 2005, 17:47:

Platano Me parece fascinante conocer personas que no son colombianas de sangre pero aman mas este pais que muchos colombianos que conozco.

Y que historia tan interesante con tantas situaciones tan diversas. Habia leido muy superficialmente sobre tu secuestro pero sin mucho detalle. Tengo la sensacion de que es algo que te ha hecho una persona mucho mas reflexiva.

Me alegra que hayas encontrado en colombia una pasion por la salsa, por el pais, y el amor de tu vida.

Bueno yo estoy viviendo en Portland que por lo que vi en el mapa no es tan lejos de Victoria. Me mude en julio y ahora estoy felizmente recien casada con un hombre maravilloso que me hace sentir la mas afortunada en el mundo :). Ahora estoy un poco "atrapada" en este pais por mi proceso de visa... pero si hemos pensado en visitar Canada, quizas el proximo a;o cuando tenga mi permiso para salir.

Asi que es posible que algun dia nos sentemos en la misma mesa a disfrutar de un autentico ajiaco.

Saludos a tu familia

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silviat says on Nov 25, 2005, 17:49:

adela I wish I was in Colombia as well... I envy you! (envidia de la buena). This will be my first cold christmas...

How I wish I could be enjoying the colombian holidays this year!

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Colombiche says on Nov 25, 2005, 20:29:

okaykaykay GringodeL,

I just came home from a freaking early rumba, e-my head is spinning so bear with me.

First off, why are you taking everything so personally? Jesus, Maria y Jose GDL, you weren't even one of the people that I am referring to as being offensive, fresco parce, tranquilo.

I am not one to fingerpoint, but if you go through some old threads in this forum, you will find what I am taking about. I have read posts that blatantly say South Americans have contributed very little to society, that Colombian men are nasty, that Colombian women are gringo loving whores.... you know it GDL, you've been around for a while, I am sure you read a lot of this. I usually turn a blind eye to this crap, but I just think a lot of it is crapula. It is okay to analyze Colombia, to weigh the good and the bad (I am not irrational for Christ's sake), but some of these threads are beyond funny. I felt compelled to find out how many Colombianos actually post here, nothing wrong with that, don't mean to ruffle any feathers, just doing a little head count and from what I observe the % of Colombianos is about a quarter of all posters (rough ballpark estimate). Why does that bother you?

I don't know what Peter's mission was, I guess this is his place to jump in and tell us. I do appreciate his work a lot, Peter sos un bacan de primera, sobrada la pagina, me gusta resto a lo bien parce.

Anyway, this is how I feel, I think I have a right to feel the way I do, just as I have a right to feel the way that I do. Hey, there are a few Colombians here at PBH that do appreciate my voice, so mission acomplished. There are a lot of non-Colombians who also appreciate my opinions so double mission accomplished.

Ok, I am not generalizing, I pointed out many non-colombianos that I think are bacanos, sobrados, cheveres.

So there, I told you what I am attempting to accomplish, I wanted an estimate of how many Colombianos are lurking around, and I wanted to know why they don't participate more actively especially because I get a lot of posts from people telling me "yeah, that was good, thanks for speaking up". Those pm's are what drove me to write this to tell you the truth.

Okay, there is the answer.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Colombiche says on Nov 25, 2005, 20:39:

paramilitar Que bonito, otro Colombiano que cree que los que hemos salido del pais dejamos de ser Colombianos. Primero que todo, yo no escogi dejar a colombia. Segundo, con todo lo que he aprendido en el exterior, regresare a mi pais y hare mas diferencia de la que haces vos con tus debates ideologicos retrogrados. Somos los Colombianos que salimos al exterior los que llevaremos a Colombia a una nueva era. Porque? Porque hemos aprendido muchas cosas, hemos respirado aires diferentes. Tenemos ideas frescas, conceptos diferentes y una vision mas clara de que es lo que se esta haciendo mal en el pais.

Debato en Ingles porque me estoy dirigiendo a los extranjeros que no dominan el idioma Español y de alguna manera quiero que mi mensaje llegue a ellos, no quiero dejarlos por fuera, porque ese no es mi estilo. Para, tu eres Colombiano a ti no te tengo que hablar del pais, o sera que si?

Que sabes vos de mi vida, que hago yo por Colombia, mejor dicho contame, que haces vos?

con un apodo como "paramilitar" y con la manera tan vulgar que tenes de expresarte, creeme que no eres digno embajador del pais. Porque mas bien no te llamas motosierra o asesino? Pecueca seras vos.

Y eso de meterme la espada por donde decis, no botes el tiempo con tus vulgaridades, metetela vos si tanto te gusta.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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silviat says on Nov 25, 2005, 21:37:

paramilitar no se de que tipo de colombianos eres el embajador...

Igual no pienso que alguien que se llama a si mismo "paramilitar y que tiene tan pocos modales sea una buena representacion de lo bueno de Colombia... mas bien de uno de algunos de los males que tiene nuestro pais.

Colombiche

Chevere que hables que grites y que hagas ruido con respecto a la falta de participacion de colombianos en el foro. Yo adoro PBH y he leido cosas encantandoras, me he fascinado con el amor que personas de afuera le tienen a nuestro pais, etc. Pero por otra parte tambien he visto como otros nos ven por encima del hombro y con unos argumentos sin sentido.

Al principio me enojaba muchisimo sobre todo con los foros sobre como "todas las mujeres colombianas estan buscando gringo, son unas aprovechadas etc." (tema que me indignaba muchisimo mas pq estoy casada con un norteamericano)... pero con el tiempo me canse pq me di cuenta de hay gente que simplemente no entiende y nunca va a entender... y tambien me di cuenta de que soy afortunada de no ser uno de ellos.

Pero bueno hoy leyendo tus aportes al foro me di cuenta (perdon por la redundancia) de que si bien hay gente que nunca "la va a captar" tampoco hay que dejarlos "pordebajear" el nombre de el pais.

Bueno en fin gracias por eso mujer.

Silvia

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pepster says on Nov 25, 2005, 21:45:

elparamilitar Eres sumamente ignorante. Tu eres un ejemplo de un imbecil.

Eres una verguenza. Regresa al hueco de donde tu salistes.



The Pepster

ColombianBlog.com

The Pepster ColombianBlog.com

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World Citizen says on Nov 26, 2005, 01:24:

I´m 100% Colombian I read PBH every single day. I don´t participate in many of the discussions because I feel there is a huge lack of tolerance around. Many excellent topics become personal, people get too sensitive and over react. I don´t expect agreements in many of the discussions... there is no need for it. The topics become very boring when instead of rational debate becomes emotional defensive/ofensive chit chat between the people who "dominate" the site.

In any way, I am Colombian, I love my country very much and miss it deadly (except for the last 3-4 days... I just landed at el Dorado, YAY!!!)

Cheers


Life is not what one lived, but rather what one remembers, and how it is remembered to tell the tale. (Gabriel Garcia Marquez)

Life is not what one lived, but rather what one remembers, and how it is remembered to tell the tale. (Gabriel Garcia Marquez)

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webmanco says on Nov 26, 2005, 04:55:

El Paramilitar Eres bueno criticando, este post se trata de hacer acto de presencia, esto quiere decir los colombianos en todo el mundo. Puntos de vista como el tuyo son bienvenidos, sin ofender ni vulgaridades. No es necesario saber ní haber sufrido en carne propia los males de nuestra tierrita, males que en mayor o menor grado tienen otros países.

Me encuentro en Colombia, y estoy convencido de que no es necesario saber las cosas que mencionas para aportar el granito de arena en una mejor convivencia en Colombia.

__________
12 estrofas del hinmo nacional
historia economica de colombia superficial mucho menos a profundidad,
fines y deberes estatales
elementos del territorio nacional
crisis y cambios de los desafios de la sociedad
ni se necesita haber vivido en sangre propia la violencia injusticias en el campo laboral.
__________


Pienso que hay que crear cultura colombiana y no significa esto portar una camiseta, o bandera de Colombia, ni enorgulleserse porque Juanes, Motoya y demás triunfan en el exterior. Significa crear la cultura interior, el repeto por el hermano, el bienestar del mismo, creando trabajos y cuídando la economía nacional, es decir que los politicos no se lleven el dinero ni se arrodillen ante otros gobiernos.

________
debemos cambiar la mentalidad para formar un pais mejor;
............

Tienes razon, pero de que mentalidad hablas??

Si tienes una vision clara de como podemos quienes estamos en Colombia y los colombianos residentes en el exterior ayudar positivamente al cambio, por que no las dejas saber?



COLOMBIA

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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Miguel says on Nov 26, 2005, 05:49:

GDL wrote: " IN THOSE CASES, THE BEST RESPONSE IS NO RESPONSE AT ALL."

Practice what you preach. Spare me the off thread ramblings about college football and shout outs to your girlfriend. Spend more time studying basic Spanish.

THE PROCEEDING WAS A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT SPONSORED BY MORE PBH MEMBERS THAN YOU WOULD IMAGINE, GDL.

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maraca says on Nov 26, 2005, 05:53:

PBH member for only a month and sometimes it can be extremely tiring to find so many nonsenses and really usless threads in the site. So I guess that many of us can get discouraged about posting after a few weeks.

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paisa29 says on Nov 26, 2005, 07:29:

Yo he sido miembro por casi 2 años, mi principal proposito aquí es compartir mi amor por Colombia con las personas que estan interesadas en el país por cualquier motivo.
En este foro he conocido personas muy valiosas y he hecho buenos amigos y tambien he aprendido muchas cosas.
Cada vez que quiero iniciar un tema que pienso puede ser interesante algunos miembros que tienen mucho tiempo libre para perder intentan sabotearlo, eso me molesta y por eso prefiero leer que escribir la mayoría del tiempo.

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cam0940 says on Nov 26, 2005, 07:59:

at elparamilitar Antes que nada, yo si soy gringo y normalmente no me meto en las discusiones entre colombianos verdaderos. Sin embargo, como creo en la mision de PBH, senti que era necesario responder a la nueva voz para arriba.

Al leer su comentario, a mi me parece que ud seria un bienvenido miembro a la comunidad de PBH. Apuesto que ud tenga mucho que contribuir a las temas que discutimos cada semana. Por la otra mano, tendra que ser realisto, dandose cuenta que el proposito no es mostrar quien sea mas colombiano que el otro. Si preguntaramos al cualquier colombiano tipico en la calle, el no podria recitar las 12 estrofas del himno nacional tampoco. Hasta Uribe tendria un problemita alrededor de la 3a o 4a. Asi son los ciudanos de cualquier pais.

Mejor guardar su conocimiento por lo positivo que obviamente lleva en su cerebro y su alma. Obviamente ud es un gran patriota y la mayoria de nosotros apreciamos esa calidad.

Aparte de eso, el odio por el gringo no sirve a nadie. La verdad es que si ud desea que Colombia se levante económicamente y políticamente, en cuales maneras ofreceria una mejor calidad de vida para sus compatriotas en el pais, entonces ud tendra que practicar la tolerancia para sus vecinos en el mundo. De hecho, fijase que los gringos que participan en este foro deben ser una audiencia cautiva para cualquiera surgurencias o puntas de vista que tenga para ofrecer. Muchos de nosotros después pasamos lo que aprendemos a nuestros hermanos cuales, si no fuera para nosotros, no tendrian ninguna oportunidad de aprender de la verdades de Colombia. Si uds son embajadores, somos discipulos, venas pasando lo que aprendemos a nuestros mundos. Eso solamente aporta la causa. El nacionalismo, en donde se trata del éxito economico, se murio hace 50 a;os. Los paises que entiendan el globalismo seran los que crecen en el futuro. Entender el globalismo significa que uno no puede pasar ofendiendo a todo el mundo, porque la verdad es que el mundo fuera de su frontera sera su mejor cliente. Verdad? En realidad, las relaciones externas no son mucho mas que servicio al cliente cuando somos honestos.

Finalmente, espero que lo que he tratado de decir no pase malentienda. Salen las lagrimas al ver el orgullo que ud tiene por su tierra. Yo tengo el mismo para la mia (aunque obviamente tenemos nuestros propios problemas). Nunca he dicho tal cosa a Colombiche, pero el respeto que tengo para ella tiene todo que ver con su amor por su pais. La cosa es que todos nosotros debemos intentar a compartir en una manera positiva, sin competencia entre nosotros mismos, porque mi entendimiento es que estamos aquí para lograr una mezcla y cambio de ideas que beneficien a todos.

Bienvenido y quedase a pie por su pais (sin asesinar a los de mas).

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pepster says on Nov 26, 2005, 10:22:

I can't believe you guys You're welcoming this ELPARA guy who told Colombiche to shove her sword up her ass.

If this is the kind of poster you want around...well then you guys deserve the crap that's been going on here.


The Pepster

ColombianBlog.com

The Pepster ColombianBlog.com

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cam0940 says on Nov 26, 2005, 10:36:

Granted, not a very tactful first go at it, but he's free to dissent. He may have some great things to add as well. Love to see the guy check into "Politics and the War" to see just where he's coming from. He might be the next juancegomez, albeit more vocal and passionate.

WRT Colombiche, A) Colombiche can parry and counter this type of attack, we all know that but B) she already addressed him as thoroughly as she wanted to for the moment. His second post was far more civil. He doesn't sound like someone here to just rant and rave senselessly. So why not welcome him?

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cam0940 says on Nov 26, 2005, 10:59:

at Culote-Jaguar Not only have you no idea of what life is like in the U.S., you are apparently equally confused about your own barrio. I've taken the liberty of copying one of your posts from another thread, to compare it to what you're now calling "the real Colombia".

"Best areas around Medellin:
sabaneta, embigado, el poblado, I live in Sabaneta wich i think is the best not full of richs but a mixt up area where nothing never happens,
Sabaneta is full of night activity every day but especially in the weekends, there are hundreds of very very good restaurants and clubs, sabaneta is heaven. Very recomended !!"

-Culote-Jaguar, from the Renting forum, Best Areas around Medellin thread

So which is it Jekyll? Or Hyde? Or whoever you are today?

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cam0940 says on Nov 26, 2005, 11:09:

One minute your bashing your Sabaneta, said you wish you could leave, have offered to trade locations with multiple posters, and in the next breath it's heaven. I didn't use the word ridiculous, I said confused. If you'd like to continue this conversation, let's do it in PMs so we don't hijack a serious discussion.

P.S. It's pretty lame how you write one thing, and then when someone responds to it you go back and edit your original post, deleting the original nonsense. If you can't take the response, don't post the sh*t in the first place.

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Colombiche says on Nov 26, 2005, 11:15:

Wow No conviertas esto en un concurso de Colombianidad. Aqui no se trata de quien sepa mas estrofas del himno. Cantas el himno mientras haces tu trabajo con tu motosierra? Se oye por encima del ruido de la maquina y de los gritos de tus victimas?


(I am going to write the following in English for the sake of being understood by the majority, since most Colombians here read good English, but most non-colombians don't read Spanish quite as well).

I cannot believe that a thread that was started with the mere purpose of calling out for Colombianos to come out from under the rocks and contribute a bit more turned out so ugly!

Wait a minute guys. So far I have been called a bitch, pecueca and told to shove a sword up my ass. Beautiful example of civility, don't you think?

Paramilitar, the fact that you came out insulting me and everybody else, using a name like Para and saying that Gringos are garbage and we don't need them for anything, tells me you are a very scary type of Colombian who hasn't the slightest idea of how beneficial it can be for a country to globalize its economy and have a healthy relationship with the economic powerhouse of the moment. You sound like you are still stuck reading "Das Kapital" and the diaries of Che Guevara (stuff that looks heavenly on print, but does not work in real life in TODAY's world). If I was to move to Colombia and open a company, how would that take away opportunity from a Colombian? I am going to employ Colombians and pump money into the economy, how the hell can that be detrimental? Your logic eludes me.

You also have a violent edge (at least in the cyberworld). Perfect combination Paraco, I can see Colombia is in excellent hands. Paraco, how did my call for Colombians to speak up become a thread where a Colombian is attacking another Colombian? That is why our country is in the shape that it is in today. Colombiano comiendo Colombiano. No te parece muy triste eso? Porque me atacas? No entiendo. A mi manera, amo a Colombia. Tu amas a Colombia a tu manera. Ambas maneras pueden ser buenas, o es que solo existe una forma de amar al pais?


Sabes que si he conocido algunos miembros de este foro y me he sentado a tomar masato y cafe con ellos?


As far as doing things for my country, I don't like to talk about the things I do. I am involved with the Colombian community in my hometown and have worked with them on many projects. At this point, I actually got really screwed over by a compatriot I was helping, and I am dealing with the consequences. Shit happens. There are good and bad apples in the Colombian community, but I won't stop seeing the good. I am an optimist.

No tengo que sentarme a comprobarle a nadie que tan Colombiana soy. Esto no es un concurso de Colombianidad (aunque paraco este tratando de convertirlo en tal). Se trataba de saber porque los Colombianos a veces caemos en el letargo y no expresamos nuestros puntos de vista. Ya basta de estar atacandome personalmente, dejen tanta violencia que por eso Colombia esta como esta. Gracias a Colombia por darme la vida y la sangre, gracias a Canada por enseñarme a ver el mundo de una manera diferente, a comprender que una sociedad puede cuidar a todos sus miembros, que puede existir un mundo sin tanta corrupcion y burocracia, donde se cuida el medio ambiente, la ley tiene peso y se resuelven los conflictos sin violencia fisica. Espero que Colombia pueda aprender de Canada y viceversa, ya que cada pais tiene mucho que enseñar. Que viva la tolerancia!


C.

ps: paramilitar, no te preocupes, hay espacio para todos en el mundo. Esta Colombiana no come Colombiano hermano. Welcome to the forum.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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paisa29 says on Nov 26, 2005, 11:35:

Colombiche... Eso era exactamente a lo que yo me refería, cuando uno quiere decir algo interesante a veces recibe opiniones fuera de lugar como respuesta

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Colombiche says on Nov 26, 2005, 12:05:

Culote The only place where you are getting PM's from me is in your sorry dreams niñito. I wouldn't waste time PM'ing you, you are a cyber-buffoon.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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utopiacowboy says on Nov 26, 2005, 12:19:

Colombiche, I don't think you should feel obliged to write in English. If anything I think it just reinforces the notion that the Colombians here are somehow superior because they can read and write both languages but the gringos are a bunch of dumbfucks who can't. The only person who is monolingual in our household is my wife and if I can understand her cantaletas I think I can understand your posts.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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pepster says on Nov 26, 2005, 12:30:

I'm at a loss " He doesn't sound like someone here to just rant and rave senselessly. So why not welcome him?"

Did you read what he wrote? The guy comes out of nowhere and tells established posters to go fuck themselves.

I'm done with this site. When the moderators start fixing this board or name some more because they're obviously too busy, then perhaps this might be a place worthwhile. Otherwise, this place has just become a free for all.

See you guys later.

The Pepster ColombianBlog.com

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Colombiche says on Nov 26, 2005, 12:31:

UC Lately you are looking for the bad in everything I say or do and bringing you wife into every argument. You are too defensive dude, I am not directing anything at you, it is just an overall argument. I just got called a bitch and told to shove a sword up my ass and down my throat, do you see me freaking out? For what? I am not going to shove anything so I am cool.

I am writing in English because you know for a fact that there are more people who understand English here than those who understand Spanish. count the number of posts in "Solo en Español" vs those in the "Friendly Talkzone" and that should give you and idea of the demographics of the site. I have no problem with that, I am just trying to have the majority understanding my words.

Maybe you understand Spanish. There are many other people who do not UC, and you know it's true, how does that turn into me saying that gringos are "dumbfucks" (A word I never used). I actually defended gringos in my post above..... Earth to Utopia!

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Colombiche says on Nov 26, 2005, 12:32:

Peppy Nos vemos en tu blog. Yo tambien estoy cansada de este lugar viejo man, me estan atacando demasiado con demasiado.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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utopiacowboy says on Nov 26, 2005, 12:39:

I'm the one who used the word dumbfucks and I'm not blaming you for it. Platano went on a Spanish only kick there for a while and I think he had the right idea. Muerte para los gringos!

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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morphus says on Nov 26, 2005, 12:39:

ha ha, i'm going to stay out of this. i'm just a burger munching gringo with a million dollar house.

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silviat says on Nov 26, 2005, 13:17:

wow this got really ugly

And I have to accept that reading some of the messages my blood boiled a little bit... but can't we just talk about this issues in a peaceful way?

I mean I think most of the people who spends their valuable time reading/writting threads in this forum do it because they like the country and they want to learn more, share some info, discuss abou it.

But things have been getting so hostil that many people is just chosing to dont even discuss things here, as a few people stated in this thread.

Why dont we try to put ourselves together, forget the anger, ignore those who still chose to be offensive, and discuss in a constructive way.

As it was written in one of the previous messages... the lack of tolerance... the excess of hostility is what has our dear colombia in the situation it is at right now... let's not fall in that vicious circle.

Just a thought

Silvia

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platano says on Nov 26, 2005, 15:00:

UTC, You know, Spanish is such an expressive language, and poetic... one of the first things my Colombian friends taught me to say, in fact they said I should yell it out loud, while we were walking down Avenida Junin ("juniniando") in Medellín ... they said I should just yell out "carichimba" and since it sounded so melodius to me (I knew no Spanish at that time) I complied and yelled out "carichimba" on Avenida Junin. Of course, they were immediately mortified that I actually did it! And then they explained what it meant. But even those words you are not supposed to say sound so melodious to me: "malparido" "hijueputa" "güevón" "carichimba" ... all are just poetic sound to one who understands no Spanish.

plátano

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Caballista says on Nov 26, 2005, 15:50:

I'm here, but I'm not participating like before, because I have more important things to do than just stay here reading bad things about OUR country. And it's very difficult for me to be in New York City, alone and reinventing my life each time something goes in different direction and in english, and reading negative comments about one of my loves. Colombia, the Pure Colombia.
For bad things read the newspapers.
I don't.
I know the Good Colombia, the beautiful Colombia and I love my people, my friends and my country. I'm in NYC discovering more world, because I have the entire time and life just for myself, I'm reading more about this magnificent city, that has to much to enjoy and is offering me the opportunity to live in a very nice way, and gives me the chance to decide what I really want to do next, or where I want to end my days. The difficult part is the language, but I can get over it.
Thank you.

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utopiacowboy says on Nov 26, 2005, 16:24:

You're right, Platano. I just love the sound of saying "Quiero culiarte, mi amor." or "Dame tu chiquito, mi vida!". I have no idea what I'm saying but damm, it sounds good.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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kernow62 says on Nov 27, 2005, 04:16:

I just received an E-mail from the Colombian Embassy in Washington DC making me an honorary Colombian, so count me in.

It was really one of my wife's family joking around a bit. They just moved to Washington DC for an extended stay from Bogotá and are enjoying the differences. Particularly the leaves changing colour and the dusting of snow they received.

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Miguel says on Nov 27, 2005, 07:05:

Para elparamilitar Usted deletrea como un bobo niño y su odio es despicable. Go fu~k yourself and have a nice day.

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Caballista says on Nov 27, 2005, 07:45:

No puedo dejar de decir que que tristeza tener que gastar el tiempo escribiendo tanta cosa fuera de tono y contexto. En otras palabras para aquellos desagradables: que diarrea mental la que sufren. especialmente este nuevo "para-mielitar"

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ElPadrino1 says on Nov 27, 2005, 07:56:

Best of Luck... I will not be participating actively here from this time on. I don't blame the moderators for the tone of this post but the Originator for such a Divisive Tone and Topic. It appeared to this poster to be a Us against Them post. True, the House Rules do not specifically say English only but out of courtesy for the many non spanish speakers, it should have been started in the Spanish Column, if it was to even be any place at all. It appears some here desire a Forum where there is no opposing opinions and when there is, some people become extremely defensive. Communist Dictators, as I mentioned, like to Cap free Speech also. Good Day. UTC pretty much stated my thoughts also.

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Lucia Rojas says on Nov 27, 2005, 08:14:

wow.. this whole thread is disgusting...... I can beleive something as innocent as "how many colombian s do we have? " could have become something so disgusting, uncivil and insulting.

I am colombian...but this just shows that we are really screwed-up. That 100 years of violence have not been in vain and that the toll on our mental health is serious. We are defensive, suffer, from an inferiority complex which makes us be so defensive.. and we attack one another like there was no tomorrow.. Man lock many colombians in a room and you will have total chaos... One colombian? Thats fine. Many colombians? Scary.

This was not apost about Uribe, or about english and spanish, or about good and bad colombians.. who cares? Whats good and whats bad? bla bla bla...this was just a question about how many colombians are around...

Absolutely proves the ignorance of many when relating to others.

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Cockney Colombian says on Nov 27, 2005, 08:22:

I'm Colombian on my mothers side and English on my fathers and have lived 95 % of my life in London (4 % elsewhere in the UK and 1 % in Colombia). I know only basic Spanish, enough to get an A'level in, enough to go to Madrid and be a tourist and enough to mangle into Spanglish with my ex-girlfriend from the aforementioned Spanish capital.

As such I'm not sure which category I'd fall under. I love the Colombian side of my life but I can't write on this forum of day to day life other than what is second hand tales from my family or my recollections of being a 10 year old gringo boy in a dusty Colombian village in 1992. That was a world of swimming, trees, fruit juice, Abuelos, hammocks, minor earthquakes, cockroaches, garrapatas, dogs, horses, machetes, gaseosas, candles and the beautiful girl next door.

I don't think there's an absence of Colombians on this forum. Just read the "Ordinary Day" post. In an open forum about Colombia we must be prepared for everyone who wants to come.

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cam0940 says on Nov 27, 2005, 08:38:

Mira cara de monda, gracias por sonar en la bellaza que puede ser Colombia. Desafortunadamente, el mundo ya ha visto como termina esa historia miserable. Acuérdese de la administración de Teddy Roosevelt al principio del último siglo. Acuérdese de los Nazis inmediatamente después. Acuérdese de los japoneses al fin del último siglo. Todo el mundo, excepto UD y el estimado Chávez, entiende que el nacionalismo no sirve para mejorar la economía dentro de la frontera. Fórmense su bloque económico, nadie esta negando los beneficios que vienen de tales colaboraciones.

Pero gracias a Dios nosotros no manejamos ningún negocio junto. Ud buscaría ciertos clientes basado en sus gustos y preferencias. En la vida real, no importa quien compre los productos/servicios, lo importante es lo que hacemos con los ingresos. Lo importante es que no seamos pendiente de un solo cliente, que tengamos diversidad entre nuestras fuentes. Si uds dejaran de negociar con el mundo fuera de Suramérica, sean seguros que se morirían de hambre. La exportación ha llegado a ser el componente más crítico de todas las economías sur del ecuador. No tome esa frase como insulto—es simplemente una cuestión de matemática. No hay (no obstante las sociedades antiguas de África, algunos indios en Suramérica, y unos pocos tribus en otros remotos lugares) ninguna economía en el mundo que produzca una suficiente mezcla de productos y servicios para satisfacer lo que consume su propia gente. A cada uno le faltan ciertos recursos o capacidades para producir todo eficientemente. Colombia y sus vecinos en Suramérica, deben enfocar en sus fuerzas y habilidades principales, dejando que otros les vendan lo que no sea razonable producir allá. Deben tener políticas que estimulen la importación hasta más para tener ciertos productos y ciertas tecnologías que solamente beneficien la economía Colombiana. Por su orgullo, ud no puede ver la ignorancia de sus comentos. Le disculpo. Entiendo su honorable meta, pero sus métodos ya han sido probados como inútiles.

De hecho, largase de aquí y deje que las mentes inteligentes dirigen Colombia al siglo XXI. Ya estamos cansados de sus tonterías y visiones vacías.

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jccg says on Nov 27, 2005, 14:49:

What a nasty tread!! How come someone that call himself "elparamilitar" to destroy what was just a counting of colombians?. I think this guy is what you call a troll. besides, talk about laboral injustice and call himself "PARA" is a contradiction... how can someone defend the injustice by calling himself "para" and then write against what his alias stands fort? how can talk abuot peace and call himself killer, raper, torturer, narco?
Now on topic... I am colombian, I only think you have to defend "something" if "something" is under atack, otherwise, is attack not defece... I mean, I have not to defend Colombia because the foreinger here (being gringos, canadian or european) are (in general) not attacking the country. What I do is clarify the misunderstandings they have because they do not have enough information.

"A mi edad cuando me presentan a alguien ya no me importa si es bueno
malo, rico pobre, negro blanco, judío musulmán o cristiano, me basta y me sobra con que sea un ser humano,
peor cosa no podría ser"
Mark Twain

This is just the true!!

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marcelinda says on Nov 27, 2005, 18:34:

marcelinda presente me estoy actualizando en cada uno de los comentarios y no puedo creer lo que habla paramilitar

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marcelinda says on Nov 27, 2005, 18:38:

presente Hola queridos Compatriotas

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platano says on Nov 27, 2005, 19:29:

... jccg: pesimista la cita del gringo Mark Twain! Me recuerda del dicho: "Más que conozco a la gente, ¡más amo a mi perro!

marcelinda: ¡Bienvenida. Bueno tenerte aquí!

plátano

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webmanco says on Nov 27, 2005, 20:16:

Bienvenida Marcelinda Bienvenida


December 16

COLOMBIA

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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Miguel says on Nov 27, 2005, 20:22:

¿Que tal Marcelinda? Ojalá que todo esta bien contigo y la niña.

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juancegomez says on Nov 28, 2005, 10:22:

.... Saludando nada más, suerte para todos los colombianos y extranjeros del foro.

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cam0940 says on Nov 28, 2005, 11:05:

You're not gay but you chose to call yourself "Culote"?

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YTO SAN says on Nov 28, 2005, 20:54:

Love Colombia Well Colombiche ask for a roll call, I'm not Colombian but I love Colombia (specially Medellin) I've been going to Medellin every year. I'm a Mexican/Japanese guy who loves Colombia more than even my own country which is Mexico (where I grew up). you can judge me good or bad, that's up to you, but the reality is that the first time I was in Medellin quede amañado, and people there always treated me very good and with respect. I have my girlfriend in Medellin and I will keep going every year to visit her (until she's ready to marry, LOL) but even if we get married I will still keep going back.
when I said that you gys can judge me is because I've seen others in here that get harrased for trying to find a nice Colombian Girl, and a lot of people just go off with them, telling that they should get a girl from their own country. in my point of view, you guys should be proud of foreigners looking to meet Colombian for serious relationships, because that means that we (foreigners) like your culture and the way people is over there, I've felt more at home in Colombia that in the US where I've lived most of my life.

with all due respesct just my personal feelings. thanks
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YTO SAN

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