Requirements for an anullment in Colombia?

ElCheAmericano says on Jan 18, 2006, 12:11:

Or send me a PM Please

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Crazy4Cali says on Jan 18, 2006, 13:39:

Have you considered... Have you considered maybe contacting a reliable source, like a lawyer, rather than looking for legal advice from a a bunch of strangers who have nothing better to do than post to a bulletin board?

I'm not a lawyer, but that seems like a more reasonable approach to this layman.

Just a thought. Good luck.

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ElCheAmericano says on Jan 18, 2006, 13:43:

Obviously if I go that route or get a divorce I am going to get legal advise. But in the mean time it doesnt hurt to get any knowledge from people who have some info on the subject. Actually I did get advise and was told that annullment basicly is non existant in Colombia. The lawyer told me a divorce will cost me $300,000 COP and will take approx 40 minutes.

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Crazy4Cali says on Jan 18, 2006, 13:46:

$300K pesos?! Geez, what a bargain!

When I got divorced, I think my first chat with the lawyer cost that much...I won't even talk about what the resulting alimony cost....

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 18, 2006, 13:48:

sorry my interfere Che, but d sorry my interference Che, but didn't you married a year ago with that gorgeous girl?

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 18, 2006, 13:51:

what salami?

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ElCheAmericano says on Jan 18, 2006, 14:20:

Actually Kat I got married last month, so technically it was last year. Yeah I know it sound ridicolous and also very embarrassing for me to be going thru this. If you want more details PM me.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 18, 2006, 14:33:

only if you want to tell me Che, I don't want you to feel oblige.

GIB, sorry I've never played hide and seek with a salami,pepperoni salchicha, hot dog etc

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Rene Borbon says on Jan 18, 2006, 19:46:

I need your wisdom, experience If you don't mind, I'd like to know what to watch out for. What went wrong with the beautiful wife?

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ElCheAmericano says on Jan 18, 2006, 20:42:

If your looking for wisdom Rene look elsewere, obviously if I had more I wouldnt be debating whether or not to divorce. From reading your previous post Rene your relationship with your fiancee seems ligit. The only thing I found strange is how you keep in contact with your girl's friend which I find insane and somewhat insecure on your part. But aside from that you should be fine.

As for my relationship, its nothing that has happened overnight to bring me to the point were I am at now. Its probably a combination of things I have known, things I dont want to know mixed with I dont see how things are gonna change for the better.

Atleast for you Rene, you know were your money is going I dont and thats probably my fault. Your money goes for rent and school, which I wish I could get away with sending my wife 290,000 cop with no problem. I probably give my wife double that per month and Im not sure exactly how she spends, this is were part of the problem lies. God forbid I question her, she'll throw a fit and hung up on me, problem number 2. But it is I that has created my own problems and only I with the help of God to give me a clear head that will help me get out.

On the upside, Ive never suspected my wife of cheating. I really do believe she loves me as much as she is capable of loving a man. Unfornutely I think she loves herself 100 times more and doesnt know how to give back the love that she receives. Sometimes she like a little kid that thinks her parents dont care about her because they dont get the gift that request.

There's no science to any of what I'm saying. Just use your instincts and let the head upstairs dominate the head downstairs.

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miamimike says on Jan 18, 2006, 22:51:

Here's One Big Error you made.. "Your money goes for rent and school, which I wish I could get away with sending my wife 290,000 cop with no problem. I probably give my wife double that per month and Im not sure exactly how she spends, this is were part of the problem lies. God forbid I question her, she'll throw a fit and hung up on me"

Sorry, Anyone sending weekly, monthly Stipends, allowances,maintenece, whatever you want to call it, needs their Heads Examined. How do you know what, when, for what your hard earned money is being spent for? Col women, many, not all, are not known for judicious use of money and since you aren't there to see where its going, amazing how someone could even send $$. I think it invites nothing but heartache and probelms.In doing this, you may be creating more of a problem then the one you think you are solving.

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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miamimike says on Jan 18, 2006, 22:57:

Che-One Case I knew of several years ago cost the Guy around $400 in Bogota and the marriage was disolved in a few days maximum. I would pay it, get the process over and get on with your life.

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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Miguel says on Jan 19, 2006, 00:16:

Another one bites the dust? My nearly two year old relationship with a colombiana ended six months ago, after I realized I was being played by not only her, but her co-conspirator mother. Naturally, as in any relationship I value, there was a certain degree of hurt/disappointment, but after realizing what type of person I was dealing with, it was very easy to get off the deck, dust myself off, and move on.
The lesson(s) I learned are invaluable, and I look back on it as a positive experience.

Soy listo y estoy listo para mi viaje a Barranquilla...as a bachelor!

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ElCheAmericano says on Jan 19, 2006, 04:11:

Thats sucks Miguel I have read some of your previous post, I didnt know you broke up. But oh well life goes on and I'm sure there is better out there. As for as my wife goes she is a special case. I have been more generous to her and have overlooked many things which I would never tolerate in say a girl in the states. Maybe my wife is showing her true colors now, but I guess I feel somewhere my wife has a co-conspirator like yours Miguel, I feel there is someone whether friend or family thats puting shit in her head. But I'm tired of her outburst of anger and her hanging up on me whenever we have a disagreement. Its just bullshit and getting tired of it. There are positive thingss about her also but the negative things are outweighing the good. I always knew that with her I was taking a gamble because of her instability, and maturity or lack there off and I have seen good changes in her life but right now she seems stressed out living at home and is taking it out on me.

So Miguel, how did you come to the conclusion to end your relationship, how did you realize what you were dealing with.

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ElCheAmericano says on Jan 19, 2006, 04:13:

MiamiMike I actually called up the Notary were I got married yesterday and they switched me over to a lawyer that works there. He told me that the divorce with me not even having to be there is 300k pesos. Basically $130.00 US which is a joke. But that if she agrees if not I will have to get divorce thru a different route which he says is more complicated and more money.

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elmodefoque says on Jan 19, 2006, 05:01:

Che, mi cuadro, the first time I got dumped was by this Puerto Rican broad with a J-Lo ass, we were together almost 6 years, an let me tell you it felt worst than getting kicked in the balls by a burra, after that I got dumped about a dozen more times, but it was no big deal as a matter of fact I kind of enjoy it in a sick way.
Man, I wish I was in your shoes. A guy like you in barranquilla could just about nail the best looking upper class broads in all Curramba. I bet anything right now that her friends or female relatives are dying to jump on your bones. Come down for the carnaval and see how quickly you gonna forget this entire mess; all I ask is that you let me take your rejects.

ASK NOT WHAT THE PUSSY CAN DO FOR YOU, BUT WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR THAT PUSSY!!!!!!!!!! CAT LOVER

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ElCheAmericano says on Jan 19, 2006, 05:30:

GIB I have never stated there are no good woman in the states. She just happens to be a girl I fell in love with and have feelings for, thats all. If I would have meet a girl here who I felt the same for I would have done the samething, well maybe.
And because of my situation Im not gonna say that all colombians woman are the same as my wife, I would be a fool to believe such nonsense. I tried to be someone's savior a crime I have been guilty of before, just that I have never taken it to the point of getting married.

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ElCheAmericano says on Jan 19, 2006, 05:58:

No problem GIB its a normal assumption

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utopiacowboy says on Jan 19, 2006, 06:20:

Kat, you've never had a good Kat, I guess Larry doesn't hide the salami from you.

You're right, GIB, there are good women everywhere.

You rock, Miquel!

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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ElCheAmericano says on Jan 19, 2006, 06:46:

ELMO I'm not to sure I can nail the best looking broads in all Curramba. As for as her friends wanting to nail me, I'm not to sure if thats true either. I asked her what they thought of me and the best answer she gave me was that they said I looked simpatico, which sounds kind of plain to me. In fact she even said that some of them said she could do better, not to be arrogant but I kind of wrote this off as bullshit/jealousy. I would do Carnival but I dont think I will have the funds in time to do so, maybe you never know. I know I can forget this mess quickly, if I can get over 9/11 this should be nothing and as long as my left overs are willing to have you Elmo there ALL yours buddy. Oh by the way I have seen TomTom's girl Gina in person and I must say she looks spectacular.

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Rene Borbon says on Jan 19, 2006, 07:50:

Monthly Stipends Actually Mike, I ask for and get receipts. I also send only a small amount weekly, rather than lump sums. So far - I can tell she really needs the money, based upon the receipts I've received.

Its no big deal. Yes there is a risk of using the money for soemthing else, but its only $110 USD a month. I fly down there in 5 weeks and get married anyway.

My only concern now is that she doesn't turn out to be different later once we're married - based upon the stories I've heard. And I am very cautious to not spend money on her unless I'm in town.

Che: you should trust your wife with the money. Or move in with her. Just my two cents.

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Miguel says on Jan 19, 2006, 10:34:

Che me pregunta... ""So Miguel, how did you come to the conclusion to end your relationship, how did you realize what you were dealing with."

I don't kiss and tell, and the situation remains fluid, although over; she or someone in her circle of friends/conspirators MAY have been involved in a little matter of theft that both governments don't take lightly.
I will tell you that I took my time getting to know her, to the tune of four trips to Colombia in a year and a half. The first trip was good enough to make me want to make the next one, and I came back to the US and continued to improve my Spanish skills. With each consecutive trip, fewer things added up, and my bullshit detector activated. On the last trip, a couple of things were in play. By that time, I had made very good friends, both men and women, including her contacts and my own in Barranquilla. I had advanced warning that all was not what it appeared to be, and when I arrived, I felt it. Suddenly, certain conversations that used to take place between she and her mother moved to another room, because "they knew that I knew" how to speak and understand that costeño Spanish. Long story short, she was playing me simultaneously with a US soldier for about a year, and in the end, the soldier won the "best marriage prospect lottery". Nine days after I got back to the States, her now ex-friend told me she had arrived in Atlanta on a marriage visa. This ex-friend was also instructed by my ex's mother NOT to tell me what had happened, "just in case the marriage to the soldier did not work out, because Miguel can be very helpful to you". I was bummed for about 2 days until one of the more famous posters on this board layed it down perfectly..."Hey, God is watching over you, because now she is the problem of someone else" Buen dicho.

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ElCheAmericano says on Jan 19, 2006, 11:33:

Thanks for sharing Miguel What a story, you are much better off now. I'm sure you never expected things between you and her to end up the way they did. Damn how many girls would love to have just 1 guy to love and care about them, your ex wasn't even contempt with that. Well like you said she's someone else's problem now. I even remember pictures that you posted of you and her together in a cab in bogota I believe. God now's what might become of me if I stay married.

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ElCheAmericano says on Jan 19, 2006, 11:33:

Thanks for sharing Miguel What a story, you are much better off now. I'm sure you never expected things between you and her to end up the way they did. Damn how many girls would love to have just 1 guy to love and care about them, your ex wasn't even contempt with that. Well like you said she's someone else's problem now. I even remember pictures that you posted of you and her together in a cab in bogota I believe. God now's what might become of me if I stay married.

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dwmte says on Jan 19, 2006, 18:12:

i'm not sure about civil marriage... but in catholic church marriages, aunulment previledges are held in the curia by the obispo. petition is made to his personal secretary...monsignor: such and such. the curia is located in medelllin on lower oriental in centro comercio villa nueva. an excellent arena to discuss such personal and profound issues. my wife and i had cause to address their thoughtfulness and found it rewarding. not for an anulment, but monsignor asked me if i wanted one!

but here we are many years later, much river behind and still together.

good luck with the issues.

dwm

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jalf12 says on Jan 19, 2006, 21:02:

Che As dw mentioned Catholic marriages, this is the only kind that require a true "annullment". From my humble knowledge of Catholic theology an annullment is basically saying the sacrament of marriage never actually occurred because of lack of knowledge or disposition of one of the candidates. For example, if someone goes into a marriage intending to use contraceptives (against the teachings of the church) the marriage was not consumated in the eyes of God (and to hell with the eyes of men who cannot see the disposition of one's heart). In the old church (Pre-Vatican II) it was very difficult to "annull" a marriage beause most Catholics were required to take an explanatory course on the sacament of marriage and its boundaries and permanence(if consumated). In the conciliar Catholic church however, you may find it very easy to "annull" a marriage.
If you were not wedded in a Catholic church and recieving the blessing of the church on an annullment is not an issue than all you need is a legal divorce.

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Miguel says on Jan 20, 2006, 00:32:

Che You must be thinking of someone else's picture in Bogotá; the only picture I ever posted of my ex was taken at a wedding in Cartagena, and was only in my image gallery a few days.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 20, 2006, 05:00:

I think Che is talking about mario's pict

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ElCheAmericano says on Jan 20, 2006, 06:14:

Sorry Miguel it was Mario that I confused you for.

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utopiacowboy says on Jan 20, 2006, 07:30:

One of the best pieces of advice (and most widely ignored) on the site: "Never send money to a girl here in Colombia who is not your wife."

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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caulfield2 says on Jan 21, 2006, 06:16:

Well, I think you could also argue sending money to a fiance with a definite wedding date in mind (either in-country or via a K-1 to the US)...I know it´s a fine line, but if you definitely want to establish trust, then it´s important (and I am talking about the kind of trust where you don´t ask for receipts).

Of course, there are SOME girls with 2-3 fiances, but this is the exception more than the rule. In all seriousness, there is no way to know your wife is not cheating if you are in the US and she is in another country.

One of the arguments that always comes up is...

1) Why would you give money to a woman in another country when you would never think of doing the same in the US?

2) Even though $200-300 dollars per month is not much for many Americans to spare, it is still a significant amount of money in pesos, so be careful not to be TOO generous, lol, it could end up biting you in the end when she comes to the US and can´t afford the same things!

3) What, if anything, does a gringo owe a fiance that he has asked to quit her job and learn English...then he bails on her?

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cam0940 says on Jan 21, 2006, 09:57:

This type of thing should not be happening to people. The ex soldier story, poor El Che, listen I'm behind you guys 100%. You tried to be sincere, caring, you tried to be there for these women and look at what they've done. Therefore, especially in a long distance relationship, all women are guilty until proven innocent. I am not saying never get involved in a long distance relationship again. I've done it myself. All I'm saying is that you need to be harder, more guarded, and just don't care so much until proven otherwise. I'm going to leave you with theme lyrics that you can recite to yourself on the plane down next time and although they may irritate some posters, you guys REALLY NEED to live this way going to see these girls in Colombia:

Well, if Kurupt gave a fuck about a bitch I'd always be broke
I'd never have no motherfuckin indo to smoke
I gets loced and looney, bitch you can't Do Me
Do we like BBD, you hoochie groupie?
I have no love for hoes
That's somethin I learned in the pound
so how the fuck am I supposed
to pay this hoe, just to lay this hoe
I know the pussy's mines, I'ma fuck a couple more times
And then I'm through with it, there's nothing else to do with it
Pass it to the homie, now you hit it
Cause she ain't nuthin but a bitch to me
And y'all know, that bitches ain't shit to me
i gives a fuck, why don't y'all pay attention
Approach it with a different proposition, I'm Kurupt
Hoe, you'll never be my only one, trick ass beeeitch

I mean that with all seriousness, fuck em till they prove what they're about. THEY have to come up to YOUR standard, don't run around chasing these girls trying to please them when you don't have any real equity to hang your hat on. Don't give them the benefit of the doubt. Don't give them an inch, man. Not to say that all Colombian women are bad, but you just don't know. Don't go down there rolling the dice hoping that maybe possibly those red flags are just your imagination. Expect dirt, and be pleasantly surprised if you're wrong. Who cares if you have to bang 50 of them just to find a decent one? She'll let you change your oil while she's trying to snare you in her trap, but don't let that get you sucked in. Stay hard and indifferent. Any woman on the planet can have sex. So, don't let the fact that she's giving it up to you snare you. She's going to have to show you something more than that. And oh my God if the bitch hung up on you for asking a legitimate question, you absolutely have a right to be pissed off. Dump her. Here you are getting ready to take care of her ass from now on till infinity and she has the audacity to hang up on you? Fuck her, she needs you more than you need her. Be hard. I'm pleading with you guys, I don't want to hear another story about an American getting played by these weak ass, wanna be player Colombian girls. And their ignorant fuckin mamas. None of them should be able to game you. She's not smarter than you, so if she gets over on you it's because you LET her, by being overly trusting, giving her the benefit of the doubt, and basically leaving a gaping hole in your defense. Tighten up and good luck.

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cam0940 says on Jan 21, 2006, 10:11:

And another thing, people often try to say "Oh, you can't treat all women like that, that's mysogynistic" but you know what? The few bad apples like Elche's and Miguels fuck it up for everybody. Men can no longer go into these relationships all wide eyed and trusting. You gotta come hard. And the prettier she is, the grittier most likely. Get a regular girl. Fuck the model type because she's got 100 guys behind her trying to bang her and she knows it. So she's gonna shop for the best deal. Women brought this on themselves. They always want to talk about how wrong we are as men for the things we do in relationships, but I have yet to meet a woman who could honestly take responsibility for the shit women do. You will never find a woman who will honestly say "OK, I see why you treat women that way, because there are so many that take advantage, try to control you with the pussy, and play games." You will never hear that, even though it's the God's honest truth. Women have earned the way that men treat them, that's why they're guilty till proven innocent. Western societies are all about men courting women, putting them on pedestals, nothing's ever their fault, their little princesses, and what that does is create a sex that thinks it's always desired, can do no wrong, and generally has the upper hand. I can't stand that. But that's how this happens to guys. We're too soft with them. Fuck em. Till she PROVES that she ought to be treated with respect.

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caulfield2 says on Jan 21, 2006, 10:12:

Cam, make sure to have the State Department issue an advisory before you come down to protect the Colombianas.

Seriously, there are two sides to every coin. What about all the women who have been used for sex when the man has no intention whatsoever of being serio or faithful to anyone, just a sex tourist looking to take advantage of his newfound status as an American?

You can have this attitude about Colombian women because you could never say anything similar in the US about American women without being sued by NOW or Martha Burke.

Keep in mind, less than 10% of keyboard Romeos actually make the trip to whatever foreign country they are corresponding...so how fair is it to expect someone to totally change her life to accommodate someone who in all likelihood will never show up, and when he does show up, he will either be found out to have lied, to be shorter, older, balder, poorer, more abusive, less tolerant...than he seemed to be on the phone and in e-mails and chats. The desperate American who cannot stand when every single Colombian wont give it up in one weekend or one week with him, because, after all, he is paying for everything, that means he is owed sex, right?

I am curious as to how many successful relationships or marriages you have had with this type of attitude? Do you act totally different in the US towards women there, or the same? Do you think every woman outside of the US (in the so-called 2nd world) should be treated in the fashion you describe?

I am not even certain why I am wasting my time responding, because I do not believe you are actually being serious. You speak of hanging up on someone and dumping her...well, what about all the stupid and embarrassing things gringos do...I suppose you are going to say they are more tolerant because they have to appear nice, so they can wait until after marriage to show their true selves.

The thing is, I do not think ANYTHING could ever convince you a girl was right one...if she had sex with you, you would think she was too easy and dump her because you would wonder how many other men she acted like this with...if she didnt have sex, you would dump her (probably a good one) for the many that would have sex with you out of the mistaken notion you might be more loyal, faithful, established and courteous than a Colombian man.

The funniest comment of all...she is not smarter than you. This quote is the worst form of cultural superiority Americans have down here. Just because she doesnt speak English or is from a country where the minimum wage is a little over a dollar per hour does not make her inferior. It just means she was born in a poorer country and did not have all the advantages and opportunities you had growing up.

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miamimike says on Jan 21, 2006, 10:15:

Spot on GIB !! On Sending money in any way shape or form! And, AND even if it was a Wife, I would want to see Cash Register receipts for EVERYTHING(no handwritten bills either--seen that one before, haha)AND I mean everything. The guys doing this need to start using their Heads for something else otherwise then to hang a Hat on! You will NOT be anymore appreciated for this act. Would you do this Europe, Canada or the US? No, unless you are Patsy/Sucker with more money then Brains ! Of course not SO DON'T do it here!

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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caulfield2 says on Jan 21, 2006, 10:19:

Cam,

How many average looking women have you been satisfied with on your trips abroad? If you only wanted average women instead of the models and siliconas, why even come to Colombia in the first place? You obviously do not feel the culture is superior here, so what would be the point of coming in conquest of average women when you could have the same thing in the US? The problem is that you want the models to act like the average women, and that NEVER happens in any country in the world, and you can go on blaming women all you want but men are the reason for this, not women, lol.

I seriously think you need to read G. Garcia Marquezs latest novel, it would be instructive for you.

Secondly, please define what any women would need to do to be treated with respect by you? Wait three months or until marriage to have sex with you? Be your friend instead of a sexual partner? Have intellectual discussions long into the night...even though it seems you do not respect women as intellectual equals, at least women here.

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cam0940 says on Jan 21, 2006, 10:24:

caulfield2, actually I am happily married to a Colombian girl from Cartagena. As far as successful relationships, most people only have one in a lifetime. The person you die with is the successful relationship, any divorce or break up is a failure.

Yes you treat any woman like that, Colombian or American or otherwise. Respect is earned not freely given. Same with trust. Those aren't old sayings for nothing. They represent the collective experience of mankind. But following behind a big butt and a smile we men tend to forget those things.

Let me ask you this: the leniencies and graces we afford women, would we do the same for male friends? Of course not. The difference is, subconciously we're being led by the coochie, and so we bend. I say ANY WOMAN CAN HAVE SEX. Therefore, don't make it so special. Don't compromise your good sense and your well being chasing it. There's always another one.

And I was dead serious when I wrote that.

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caulfield2 says on Jan 21, 2006, 10:25:

The problem is, why even look for a wife down here if you never are going to be able to trust them?

Why not the US, Europe or Canada instead, as you say? By the way, Ive e-mailed and interacted with hundreds of men who sent thousands of dollars to white women in Russia-E.Europe-Ukraine...10 times as much money is sent there than to Latin America, the Phillipines or Thailand.

Russia and Colombia are very similar economically...as long as there is an economic dominance for America and W. Europe as well as Japan, there will always be relationships based on economics, with men sending women money, oftentimes trying to impress them instead of building a real relationship.

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cam0940 says on Jan 21, 2006, 10:30:

caufield, I haven't met a Colombian that was smarter than me. Sorry. Colombiche might be, but she's the smartest Colombiana I've ever been in contact with. I'm no slouch either. I may not be the most eloquent writer, but I do have an IQ of about 150. Therefore, I don't meet many American women who are smarter than me either. That sounds arrogant to say it, but it's just the truth. Percentage wise there just aren't many. It has nothing to do with cultural superiority or ethnocentricity. I fully recognize that speaking a different language has nothing to do with aptitude. I suggest you get to know me a bit before you start trying to compartmentalize and diagnose me.

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caulfield2 says on Jan 21, 2006, 10:36:

Yes, but you have to realize how what you are saying sounds. It made is seem as if you were demeaning all women (or Colombian women) as less intelligent...and that all men are smarter than women, as your quote, you are smarter than her, which I took to be applying to the two cases of the men here who were discussing their relationships. You might have a certain IQ, but that is only one measure of intelligence, not the final arbiter. And, you have to know that being smarter IQ-wise has nothing at all to do with making intelligent decisions about women or in relationships in general...usually, the smartest men make the worst decisions from what I have observed, or they are too analytical and can never commit to anyone.

I would believe much of what you said if your wife was not at least an 8 on a 10 scale, as you very rarely see an average 5 or 6 Colombiana with an American, even one in his 50s or 60s. It is supply and demand, many beautiful women and only so many available gringos, lol.

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cam0940 says on Jan 21, 2006, 10:38:

Dude, caulfield, you have no idea who you're talking to. I am not a sex tourist. I went to Colombia the first time because it was a target country during a three year military intelligence operation I was part of in the late 80s early 90s and I was intrigued with the place. No where, any where, in my 1000 posts, will you find a slight against Colombian culture. I'm talking women and men. And then, like a simpleton, every accusation you made against me revolved around sex, how soon a women slept with a man, etc. In case you didn't notice, even in Kurupt's lyrics, sex needs to be taken off the table altogether. The sex is the problem. The sex is what makes women think they have the upper hand. It's why we make ourselves guppies, chasing the sex. The question is, if a woman didn't have a pussy, how would she keep her man? That's where a woman starts earning respect from me. What else can she do? I might not even touch her for a long time trying to see what else she's got. I've had enough ass in my life so that I'm not "fascinated" with it anymore. Mrs Cam had a complete package and appealed to me in ways that very few women ever could. She happens to be Colombian. Not that I have to justify to you, but you're just aimlessly pounding away on your keyboard without really knowing who you're talking to. And please, I don't need G. Garcia Marquez to teach me about women. Women taught me about women.

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cam0940 says on Jan 21, 2006, 10:49:

Upon reading your last post: ALL men are not smarter than ALL women. However, if you come from the United States, you have had more opportunity to see more game than anyone from Colombia. As I have said in other places, when it comes to relationship games, good old capitalistic United States where family law, labor law, civil rights, on down the line are skewed to ensure the rights of women, this culture provides a backdrop for the malicious woman to trample over men left and right. Moreso than Colombia. In Colombia, women don't even expect as many rights as American women do. So what happens is you have here in the U.S. women who are more brazen than the average Colombiana could ever imagine. Therefore, if you're playing the dating game in the U.S., you are figuratively playing varsity. There's more dirty, shady shit going on here. So when you go to Colombia, any game she could play ought to feel like Junior Varsity. She should not be able to play you, no matter what. If you've been dealing with these women here to any extent, if you have any experience, if you really know the types of things women are trying to get away with here, there is nothing a Colombiana could try that ought to catch you off guard. It's that simple.

I think my wife is very pretty. I married her because I could obviously see myself waking up next to her from now on. But she's not one of these glamour chicks stuffed with silicone and having been on the operating table for various procedures. She's not even really brand concious. She's a down to earth girl who happens to look nice. I've obviously SEEN model type girls down there, but I walk right past them just like I walk past the ones here in the Beverly Center. Not interested. They bring their looks to the table and not much more. Nothing but problems and bills and high maintenance. That's just the truth. Because the prettier she is, the more favor, attention, and advantage she has likely had in her life and she's probably a spoiled, self centered bitch. I don't have time for that.

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Colombiche says on Jan 22, 2006, 13:08:

Cam Cam Cam I have so many things to reply to the above.

I am going to go take a deep breath first, if I write something right now, God knows what I am going to say.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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miamimike says on Jan 22, 2006, 13:38:

Cam Spot on ! "They bring their looks to the table and not much more. Nothing but problems and bills and high maintenance. That's just the truth. Because the prettier she is, the more favor, attention, and advantage she has likely had in her life and she's probably a spoiled, self centered bitch. I don't have time for that".
======================================================================You hit the Nail on the Head with that statement! Most of the time women like this rely only on their Looks to get what they want out of life and never develop thier Personality or Pursue an Education. Then in Midlife or earlier, when the Beauty has fled, they are left holding the bag. No Husband (usually) and NO profession to survive on thier own.

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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BxUnika says on Jan 22, 2006, 16:49:

This Thread Just Goes to Show... This is what has been said all along. I am not the least surprised by the news of his divorce.

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