Red Brick Building post?

robi666 says on Feb 28, 2008, 18:26:

it was deleted with Medoblado

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vicshere says on Feb 28, 2008, 18:28:

med?? me highjack come on i am mr clean

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vicshere says on Feb 28, 2008, 18:28:

hey where is my POST?

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vicshere says on Feb 28, 2008, 18:29:

opps i see it way down

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adrimm says on Feb 28, 2008, 18:45:

It wasn't my post, but I had commented in it and was curious to see what the responses were.

Sounds like it went sour.

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robi666 says on Feb 28, 2008, 18:48:

adrimm, this was my last comment

In Medellin, older buildings have bigger walls and stronger material. New ones, they call them "American style". When they want to advertise that their are doing a better building, they say that they are building with "construcción tradicionale" scheme. As adrimm wrote, real bricks are ageless and have lower maintance. As Vic said, finished face bricks are expensive. Tejas, you may have a look at the bricks of my building. Solid and big. Another advantage is that you can move any wall. It is quieter and give better protection for climate (cold or hot). That's why I don't understand why prices of new apartments are much much higher than older ones.

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vicshere says on Feb 28, 2008, 19:01:

in the attemp to rebuild the post heres my last comment
vicshere comments on

keep in mind in Colombia the majority of times a building that looks to have brick in reality is nothing but glued on tile to the concert wall...finished face brick is actually pretty expensive here...so many builders opt for the brick look...when buying check to so if it is brick or actually tile

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rocinante says on Feb 28, 2008, 21:07:

One of rumplestiltskin's ID's got deleted and away went the post. We need to stop commenting on posts that are created by "soon to be deleted" trolls. We end up losing everthing.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

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darkangel305 says on Feb 29, 2008, 18:08:

that troll chose a good topic though

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vicshere says on Feb 29, 2008, 19:06:

sure would like to know why my dear abby post got deleted noit demotted not moved to another section...but deletted

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vicshere says on Feb 29, 2008, 19:32:

rump your a toll bud get lost

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adrimm says on Feb 29, 2008, 20:18:

I think he is a troll too.

Robi, so the newer buildings are drywall? That *sucks*.

When we were researching places for my aunt, the lady said that they were building with drywall and that it would only take a day to create two new rooms that my aunt could pick from. I asked her how soundproof she thought they might be, and she said, well if your aunt is hard of hearing she won't notice that it's not soundproof.

Estilo tradicional is much much better for living conditions...

As I mentioned earlier I think that the North American construction style (cheap) allows transsmission of vibration and sound to the point that living in a building cramps people's style. This contributes to the North American disregard for buildings and preference for houses and suburbia. After all, in North America pretty much the only place where are you guaranteed quiet, no sound from neighbours, and the ability to make as much noise as you please is the *house*....

In contrast with thick tradtional thick wall concrete building in Colombia, people can be as noisy as they want at home and not worry about disturbing neighbours above or below with shaking ceiling or walls, and their noise.

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billyb says on Feb 29, 2008, 20:21:

"Robi, so the newer buildings are drywall? That *sucks*."

Get out of here, drywall in Colombia? WTF is the world coming to?

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christobeldawg says on Feb 29, 2008, 20:25:

a bit late here to the thread, and I am not very patient on reading above, but what do they use instead of drywall in Colombia?

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

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adrimm says on Feb 29, 2008, 20:31:

I'd say about 6" - 8" concrete for interior walls. Possible hollow block, mudded or plastered over. Probably reinforced these days.. it's incredibly flat and hard (hurt your knuckles rapping on the wall). The floors must be massive slabs too.

The upstairs neighbours would be having a do at my cousins place, 25 people, all the women in heels, dancing on tile floors and we never heard a thing. Screaming toddlers next door, and unless the windows were open we would have no idea.

Zilch sound transmission. It;s awesome.

Knock on all the walls you can next time you visit people living in buildings, you'll see what I mean. Feel the stairs, concrete - no give at all.

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billyb says on Feb 29, 2008, 20:32:

unreinforced concrete (great in earthquakes) and unreinforced brick (also great in earthqueakes), but those are mere details.

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christobeldawg says on Feb 29, 2008, 20:36:

so he is a troll, so what? I am not a trollster, and those answers to my question were at least somewhat interesting to me

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adrimm says on Feb 29, 2008, 20:41:

Well it may well be reinforced (I can't see thru walls!) - I think someone had mentioned that in the previous deleted thread and I do recall seeing lots of reebar in current projects along Cra 7 in Bogota. Dunno about the poorer areas tho.

Frankly, although we have great seismic standards where I live, I can say with confidence that over 60% or more of the building stock is old enough that it was built to virtually no seismic standards (maybe up to 75%) and it costs so much to upgrade there is no way it can be forced on existing buildings.

Having stringent practices for new construction is great for those that happen to live and work in them, but the rest (and most) of us are screwed - so it is false comfort.

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adrimm says on Feb 29, 2008, 20:44:

Oh I remember what else I had mentioned -

the exterior: Has anyone seen laquered brick? It can have stain in it (making brick a bit darker) , and adds more depth to the brick...I think it looks awesome!!

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robi666 says on Feb 29, 2008, 20:46:

What does it mean "laquered"?

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christobeldawg says on Feb 29, 2008, 20:46:

yeah that is the new upscale thing around where I live. Unfortunately, I don't live in those neighborhoods. or perhaps fortunately, the more I think of it.

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adrimm says on Feb 29, 2008, 23:25:

Christobeldawg... count yourself lucky. I live in a wood frame condo, and if the lady upstairs drops a pot or book, I can hear it! I can't have parties, loud music.

Bascially I had to sacrifice quality of life for location, and sometimes it truly sucks. I honestly believe that shoddy construction is in part to blame for suburban sprawl in North America.

Laquered brick: imagine how a dry brick would look if you put oil on it. It would become a bit darker, look wet and slightly glossy. Now imagine that you can tint it (if you like, so the brick might look a bit more red, or a bit more brown, etc). Laquer is like a varnish that soaks in and goes over brick. I don't know if the actual product is a laquer or silicone based or whatever, but I think it looks great and probably makes the exterior more resilient to weather.

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tomtom33 says on Mar 1, 2008, 02:42:

My condo in Wisconsin is also wood frame. However, they are built side-by-side. All three floors are mine. Plus it is an end unit. Because of the insulation between my unit and the one adjoining, I never hear my neighbors. Of course I really can't hear them 8 months a year when I am in Colombia.

In my part of Wis., strong building codes that are enforced prevent shoddy construction.

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adrimm says on Mar 1, 2008, 10:12:

Tom,
If your unit was in a smaller up & down building, rather than side-by-side townhouse, row-house style, would you perfecty content to have a family with young children running (we all know kids run) living above you, or people having dancing in heels on tile floors?

If yes, then I'd agree you're very very fortunate.

Builders here build to code too, but the code has very low STC and IIC standards. I think they should be upwards of 80 for residential and the code says 50 or thereabouts - which still allow for sound anf vibration transmission. The code also doesn't take into account deteriortation of stuff like acoustic batting over time, so older buildings become even less sound and vibration proof over time.

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tomtom33 says on Mar 1, 2008, 10:46:

Of course not. I lived in older buildings in my younger days that were not quite so soundproof.

OTOH my apartment in Medellin is brick. The Costeños on the third floor party like madmen all the time. The music from the street is not at all welcome in my living room nor in my bedroom. The fireworks over Christmas and New Years were horrendous.

The US, in my part anyway, is a lot more quiet. It is almost nirvana to walk around the downtown of Madison, WI, and not hear any car horns for hours.

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