Recycled Colombia Jokes...

kalder says on Jul 23, 2007, 14:51:

If I had a pound for every time someone makes a cocaine joke whenever I mention my wife's Colombian, I'd be a wealthy man.

Usually it's an inane mime of someone snorting the stuff, followed by a stupid giggle. What strikes me is how they all act as if they're the first person to come up with it. They just grin at you in a dopey way, hoping you'll give them a pat on the head.

I'm about as un-Colombian as possible and I find it irksome. I can appreciate your anger- these 'jokes' are stunningly rude and insensitive.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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Simon says on Jul 23, 2007, 14:54:

It's true, we Colombians constantly have to deal with this discrimation whenever we leave our country. I think anyone who would make a joke like that is a rude, crude, tactless, ignorant SOB. That's why I'm happy to be back in my country, I don't have to worry about dealing with that BS here on a daily basis.

"Tu vas a ver, llegaras a mi edad y veras que Colombia seguira igual"-----Simon Sr.

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Colombiche says on Jul 23, 2007, 14:56:

I have never made a penny off cocaine. Not even a penny. If I was driving a porsche and living it up in a sea side Miami beach mansion with perico money I wouldn't care, but why the hell do we honest hardoworking colombians have to deal with the stupid jokes and tarnished image of the country?

I bet nobody tells the mafiosos any drug jokes.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Leeroy says on Jul 23, 2007, 14:57:

People making light-hearted remarks and jokes about really quite serious things is nothing new - and is not limited to cocaine in Colombia. Child molestation is a very grave issue - but I (and I'm sure many others) can recall a few times when we've heard jokes about it, or even cracked jokes about such things ourselves. Someone telling a pedophilia joke in a bar is not endorsing pedophilia, or even trying to belittle its seriousness - they are trying to make humour out of a situation which is generally considered to be humourless. As an attempt at humour, however, it is risky - some people might laugh their arses off, and some might be mortally offended.

Similarly, when the ColombiaCocaine "jokes" surface, the implication is not that it is not a serious or sad issue - rather that in the heat of the moment someone is trying to share lightheartedness given the material available ("you live in Colombia? I know! I'll tell a joke about cocaine!"). I am (/would be) surprised to hear foreigners cracking cocaine jokes TO Colombians - that would seem insensitive, although such jokes from foreigners to other foreigners (who live in, or travel to Colombia) seems regular enough. Just as one wouldn't crack nazi jokes to Germans, nor kiddy-fiddler jokes to child abuse victims, one wouldln't crack jokes about cocaine to Colombians. Well, supposedly...

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Simon says on Jul 23, 2007, 15:01:

"I am (/would be) surprised to hear foreigners cracking cocaine jokes TO Colombians - "


Dude, this is the point of Colombiche's post! It happens all the time to us.

I have never met a Colombian who has been outisde of Colombia who HAS NOT had some A-hole make a cocaine/drug remark to them.

"Tu vas a ver, llegaras a mi edad y veras que Colombia seguira igual"-----Simon Sr.

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Jul 23, 2007, 15:02:

The only surprising thing is how some people think they're being original.

Re German jokes -- check out the old John Cleese skits on the BBC. Or one of the stupid sons of Charles and Diana. To this day the Nazis are still fair game.

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msaucey says on Jul 23, 2007, 15:03:

I agree colombiche, it is a kick to the ribs when anyone makes a joke... I've heard a few of them at the office when I've told them I'm Colombian... then there's a smart a$$ remark, that always says...

So, you're Colombian.... I bet you and your family are rich and constantly have a high supply of perico... I normally, respond with something, like, yes... we're so well off that I'm just working to accomplish some volunteer work and try to figure out how the common person really lives... and to put up with jokes like yours.... normally, they excuse themselves and say... well, it's all we know... which I normally end with.... Shows how little you really know... lol...

The trouble about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed. - CS Lewis

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Leeroy says on Jul 23, 2007, 15:04:

In this case I agree it is insensitive and silly.

While I have had such "jokes" told to me, I was neither gravely offended nor particularly amused - but then, I am not Colombian.

I reminded on occasion, on account of my Britishness, that I must be accustomed to bad teeth, shit food, ugly women, unfriendliness, etc.. but it does not cause me to fly into a rage. This is probably because the above are silly stereotypes - while the cocaine issue in Colombia is a real and sad truth.

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Simon says on Jul 23, 2007, 15:05:

msaucey,

Isn't it against company policy to make such coments where you work? Why don't you report these pricks to your superiors and get them fired!

"Tu vas a ver, llegaras a mi edad y veras que Colombia seguira igual"-----Simon Sr.

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LA_MONA says on Jul 23, 2007, 15:05:

Leeroy - if anyone EVER tried to make a joke about pedophilia to me I would be downright offended and I think it's disgusting to try and make humor out of it...

The same goes for when I tell people my husband is from Colombia and I get the same all the time.....(not all) but it get's tiring and I do not even bother to hide that I don't find it the least bit funny...

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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Leeroy says on Jul 23, 2007, 15:08:

Then, La_Mona, you (and I'm sure many others like you) represent one end of the spectrum. The fact remains, however, that telling jokes about risque topics is nothing new.

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LA_MONA says on Jul 23, 2007, 15:08:

Leeroy
"I reminded on occasion, on account of my Britishness, that I must be accustomed to bad teeth, shit food, ugly women, unfriendliness, etc.."

Yeah but it's a bit different isn't it?

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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Leeroy says on Jul 23, 2007, 15:10:

We agree. I quote myself:

"This is probably because the above are silly stereotypes - while the cocaine issue in Colombia is a real and sad truth"

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LA_MONA says on Jul 23, 2007, 15:10:

Jokes about Pedophilia? I absaloutley do belong to that end of the spectrum then and proud to.....I am a laid back person but come on......

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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Man Tequila says on Jul 23, 2007, 15:10:

I think Italians hear a lot of mafia jokes. Poles, blonds, Newfies, and folks from Pasto are probably all tired of stupid and unoriginal jokes.

This does not excuse insensitive Colombian comments. As a non-Colombian, I hear them whenever Colombia is mentioned. And it is grossly unfair. My sympathies to Colombiche.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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LA_MONA says on Jul 23, 2007, 15:11:

I meant absolutely!

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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kalder says on Jul 23, 2007, 15:12:

The jokes are invariably crap. If they had some comedic merit they wouldn't be quite so irritating. None of them end '...and then the perico smuggler realised he was in the ARCHBISHOP'S bed!!!' (er, for example); the leaden punchline seldom rises above 'Colombians? [knowing glance, snorting noise, giggle etc.]

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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LA_MONA says on Jul 23, 2007, 15:17:

Como se le ocurrio, mucho pendejo Dios Mio.

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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msaucey says on Jul 23, 2007, 15:18:

Simon... It's not to the point of being able to file some type of harrassment case.... If they were constantly saying something, then yes, I'd have means for such an alarm... But, for the most part, it's all over... Ignorant people are everywhere... There's no major need for the alarm, normally I put them in their place and we move on to business at hand... and it's with introductions to new people too....

I'm with LaMona... I've never been told any pedophilia jokes and never expect to hear one... those are absolutely barbarian.... and if I did hear one, oh, someone better help get that person out of my presence...

The trouble about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed. - CS Lewis

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kalder says on Jul 23, 2007, 15:19:

MT- good point. That Pasto thing is very tiresome.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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LA_MONA says on Jul 23, 2007, 15:22:

msaucey - I never heard one either, but there are some sick individuals out there....

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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kalder says on Jul 23, 2007, 15:27:

I remember the Cleveland Scandal jokes. Maybe they were a mechanism for coping with something that truly shocked the nation's psyche at the time. I don't recall having heard any other paedophile jokes since.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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Simon says on Jul 23, 2007, 15:27:

Now that someone mentioned Letterman, I remember that everytime he and Jay Leno mentioned Colombia in their opening monologues, you knew where it was headed.

"Tu vas a ver, llegaras a mi edad y veras que Colombia seguira igual"-----Simon Sr.

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paisa29 says on Jul 23, 2007, 15:36:

Colombiche: Cuando yo encuentro alguien en el exterior y hacen bromas así porque soy Colombiana yo les digo lo siguiente: en Colombia se fabrican y ustedes las consumen.

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paisa29 says on Jul 23, 2007, 15:45:

Ayer venía en un vuelo de Bogotá a Medellín y en las sillas de atrás venían dos niños gringos y uno le dijo al otro:( I´m wondering if there is any washing machine in Medellín), eso parece chistoso pero la verdad me da tristeza que algunos turistas no tienen ni idea como es la realidd aquí.

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LA_MONA says on Jul 23, 2007, 15:48:

Paisa le tengo uno peor todavia - esto fue hace unos años y una persona me pregunto que si habia computadores en Colombia, pues si las personas tenian en sus casas....

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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Simon says on Jul 23, 2007, 15:49:

Paisa29,

Eso me recuerda a una vez en EEUU que un gringo me dijo, "¿Y es que en Colombia la gente usa ropa?"

"Tu vas a ver, llegaras a mi edad y veras que Colombia seguira igual"-----Simon Sr.

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paisa29 says on Jul 23, 2007, 15:51:

Mona, mi mejor amiga es inglesa, cuando ella estuvo en Colombia por primera vez, sus amigas en Londres le preguntaban si era verdad que nosotros vivíamos en los arboles y usabamos taparabos.

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LA_MONA says on Jul 23, 2007, 15:51:

Uy Simon ese si esta peor!!!
Que imbecil, no pero no lo puedo creer, sera que le estaba tomando el pelo?

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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LA_MONA says on Jul 23, 2007, 15:52:

Paisa que tal que fueran las inglesas y vieran como las personas son en cuanto a su ropa, su aspecto y si higiene personal?

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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paisa29 says on Jul 23, 2007, 15:54:

Jajaja... Simon, Cuando estuve en Cancún encontré unas gringas y me preguntaron que yo porque usaba ropa y que si era verdad que las calles estaban llenas de serpientes, cuando yo les dije que aquí teníamos Mc Donald´s, KFC, Cinemark, etc ellas no lo podían creer.

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scotty says on Jul 23, 2007, 15:54:

Its all about ignorance. These people that make comments or jokes about Colombia and coke are just showing their ignorance.
However, with that being said it can almost be expected to happen, after all Colombia is the largest producer of cocaine in the world and the media constantly reminds people of that fact. So when people hear the name Colombia the first thing that pops into their mind is cocaine.
They either dont know or dont care that Colombia also has the best coffee in the world and produces 80% of the emeralds in the world or that America gets 60% of their flowers from Colombia and that Colombia has some of the nicest people around.
Theres something about the human race that the first thing that comes to someone when you mention a country is the negative. Yesterday I was talking to a friend about South America in general, every damn country I mentioned he had a negative response, Colombia of course it was cocaine and kidnappings, I brought up Brazil and he said "did you know Brazil leads the world in HIV". Unbelievable, a big beautiful country like Brazil and all he knows about is HIV.

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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Simon says on Jul 23, 2007, 15:56:

Mona,

El tipo era un verdadero 'redneck', creo que lo dijo sólo para hacerse el gracioso.

"Tu vas a ver, llegaras a mi edad y veras que Colombia seguira igual"-----Simon Sr.

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LA_MONA says on Jul 23, 2007, 15:56:

Minimo si.

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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LA_MONA says on Jul 23, 2007, 15:57:

Minimo si.

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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Simon says on Jul 23, 2007, 15:58:

Yes, Scotty, the media of your country shits all over us all the time. It's interesting when every time they mention that Colombia producues 80% of the cocaine in the world, they somehow neglect to mention right after who consumes most of it.

"Tu vas a ver, llegaras a mi edad y veras que Colombia seguira igual"-----Simon Sr.

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LA_MONA says on Jul 23, 2007, 16:04:

Paisa and Simon I remember they showed a documentary once over here and it caused a stir, it was about how cocaine was made and transported, they showed one of the "cocina's" and un campesino mixing up all the ingredients (chemicals) in a bucket and when asked if he has ever tried it he said "Noooo, esto es para los gringuitos.......yo si no" my husband and myself found it quite funny.....

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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slguy says on Jul 23, 2007, 16:09:

People tend to educate themselves about the things that are important to them. And rely on soundbites from the media for the rest.

It's easy for us who care about Colombia, and know about her, to think ignorant those who don't. Yea- those silly-assed coke jokes get old VERY quickly, but knowing only coke and revolution about Colombia isn't necessarily stupidity, maybe only differing interests. I don't know jack about Indonesia, for example- because I don't give a damn. Doesn't make me stupid, only makes me disinterested.

Hmmm..but thinking this through - you guys are correct. If people don't know any more than to make a lame coke joke, they oughta just shut the hell up. Not because of insulting anyone- but because of boring everyone. ;)

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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Colombiche says on Jul 23, 2007, 16:47:

Paisa29, cuando yo iba a colombia ahora en diciembre, le comente a los del trabajo que iba a comprar algunos regalos de navidad para mi familia, pero que iba a llevar el dinero para comprarlos en Bogota y un companero de trabajo me pregunto: "Do you guys have manufacturing and stuff down there?". Yo le iba a revirar pero lo que me dio fue un ataque de risa.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Colombiche says on Jul 23, 2007, 16:49:

Eso me recuerda a una vez en EEUU que un gringo me dijo, "¿Y es que en Colombia la gente usa ropa?" - Simon

Jajaja, Simon porque no les dijo que no, que en Colombia todos salimos a la calle en biringa y que por eso mismo somos uno de los paises mas felices del mundo.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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manINred says on Jul 23, 2007, 18:39:

It extends further than that... people come up with the most crazy stereotypes, and when I try to dispel them, they cannot understand or comprehend the reality of things in Colombia. Many see Colombia as a backwards place where people farm and do cocaine and don't have any modern commodities, a backwater... instead of the thriving emmerging place it really is.

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Simon says on Jul 23, 2007, 18:42:

manINred,

Those people need to see this:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=500024

"Tu vas a ver, llegaras a mi edad y veras que Colombia seguira igual"-----Simon Sr.

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Simon says on Jul 23, 2007, 18:58:

Well, I see where you're coming from GIB, but would you like people to have a very nasty impression about your country that does not correspond with reality?

"Tu vas a ver, llegaras a mi edad y veras que Colombia seguira igual"-----Simon Sr.

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manINred says on Jul 23, 2007, 19:00:

wow Simon what a fantastic link!!! I try and convince them because I think people should not be inherently ignorant. It is, as gringoinbogota states, their loss.

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Simon says on Jul 23, 2007, 19:06:

Not really, GIB, people in Colombia, regardless of whether they like the US or not, know that the US is a very modern, prosperous nation. They see what it looks like all the time in TV and movies.

"Tu vas a ver, llegaras a mi edad y veras que Colombia seguira igual"-----Simon Sr.

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chester says on Jul 23, 2007, 19:25:

so, the presidents of bolivia, venezuela and colombia are in a plane heading north to disneyland.

the presdient of bolivia sticks his hand out the window for a moment, pulls it back in and announces, we are over bolivia.

how do you know ask the other presidents.

I can feel it in the air, bolivian air feels different he says.

after awhile, the president of venezuela sticks his hand out the window and then announces, we are over venezuela.

how do you know ask the other presidents.

I can feel it in the air he replies.

a short while later, the president of colombia sticks his hand out the window, pulls it back and says we are now over colombia.

you can feel it in the air question the others.

no, he replies, someone just stole my watch.

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gabolicious says on Jul 23, 2007, 19:42:

it's all about ignorance... if people don't know what's beyond their noses... they usually say stupid things...

estúpido mexicano ignorante "hey vas a Colombia? por què no me traes la especialidad de la casa?"

y yo contesté "y por qué no te rompo la madre?"

lo sé.. no fué la mejor respuesta pero para qué argumentar si le puedo romper la cara?, claro al igual que Simón estuve a punto de ser echado de la compañía pero finalmente a quien despidieron fue al estúpido ignorante...

Elección no canonización....

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Colombiche says on Jul 23, 2007, 19:45:

The thing GIB is that sometimes people have negative preconceptions about you based on your nationality so you have to work harder to convince them of the opposite. Yeah, you can counter my argument and say "Well, people have negative preconceptions about americans too..". Yes, people talk about the ugly american,but the US is regarded as a prosperous nation, if you have a degree from a US university you pretty much have it made anywhere in the world, but if you are a colombian professional just as good, your credentials don't mean much overseas. Americans living in third world countries overseas are generally better off than 98% of the native population of the country, much different to the plight of the third world immigrant trying to eek out a living in a first world country.

Basically, the net result of coming from a country that gets so much negative publicity is that as a colombian you don't start off with a clean slate, but rather, you have to start off by peeling off people's negative perceptions. You have to prove yourself. Sure the country has problems but the average Joe watching CNN automatically extrapolates the negative news to include the entire population of a country. Joe Blow in Montana or London is not going to say "okay, medellin has a cartel, but I am sure most colombians are honest people".

To give you an example of what I am talking about, I took over a project in the UK. One of my coworkers was over there and told them the new project manager was a colombian girl. They were very curious, but their initial reaction (according to her) was "Oh God, colombian, that is a crazy country, some crazy people down there". Then they thought about the girl part and became curious about what I looked like.

Now that they know me I have earned their respect, and when they meet me in person, I will make sure to wrap them around my little finger. But it took me a heck of a lot more work than it would have taken say, Frank Smith or John Blow.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Colombiche says on Jul 23, 2007, 19:47:

Clarification: I said that the average Joe blow in london or Montana will say "Medellin has a cartel" because these guys are still stuck in the scarface era of Pablo Escobars and Medellin Cartels. They are pretty unaware of how the situation in Colombia has evolved.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Colombiche says on Jul 23, 2007, 19:49:

I meant to type "eke out a living". I hate not having the ability to edit posts so I can correct my crazy typos.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Man Tequila says on Jul 23, 2007, 19:57:

Where does Joe Blow come from? I wouldn't use this expression if I were colombiano ;)

If the average person does not know how Colombia has evolved, it is because negative portrayals of Colombia in the media still outweigh positive portrayals.

If murders are down 80% in Medallo, this does not mean there are not too many murders still.

I know lots of educated people who make cocaine jokes when they hear Colombia mentioned in any context. It's wrong. It's annoying and unfair. And kalder is right when he says the jokes are infantile and rarely involve archbishops. If the jokes were GOOD, they would still be wrong and unfair, but less annoying. Still, I'm glad I'm not from Pasto. I actually try pretty hard to avoid hypocrisy.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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Colombiche says on Jul 23, 2007, 20:07:

Mantequila-- Jow Blow is from Montana but he could aslo be a Brit :)

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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scotty says on Jul 23, 2007, 20:11:

Simon ..nice pictures!

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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Man Tequila says on Jul 23, 2007, 20:11:

See, I'm confused by the number of blows... Joe, John, Jow... Jhon has to be next, and they can't all be from the same place? ;)

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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webmanco says on Jul 23, 2007, 21:28:

It is very touchy to feel offended for such jokes, it shows in a way your love for Colombia, and the need to bring out the Colombiche, as in the Mexican night club.

I guess a lot of people or Colombians did get twice offended with the joke involving "El Papa".

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 23, 2007, 22:30:

Get over it and use it as an oppurtunity to educate someone about the real Colombia....how else will the ignorant people ever learn about reality in Colombia??

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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webmanco says on Jul 23, 2007, 22:32:

Thanks for the Link Simon



























A few missing, Boyaca, Medellín, San Andres.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 23, 2007, 23:36:

How about a "Colombian Necktie Joke"?....same responses?

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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goin_south says on Jul 24, 2007, 00:32:

If Letterman said he was sorry, he was jokin about that too!

Where do we go from here?

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LaMovidCh(u)eca says on Jul 24, 2007, 00:53:

I usually try to answer as harshly and rudely as possible to this kind of jokes about Colombia. When a czech comes out with the joke I usually ask things like "So, did your dad do enough dough in the StB (Czechoslovakian version of KGB) to sustain your addiction?". If its a german who asks for it I'll say something like "OK, but I don't take gold teeth or soap as payement". Another good answer is "So, do you sell it to your neighbor's kids or is it your mom that's a junkie?" Why do it? Because it transmits immediately the idea that Colombia's situation is not a joke, that making jokes about it a belittling it is demeaning. On the long term I'm trying to say "Hey, we're people, we're not walking cartoons fot your amusement. And because of the consumption of cocaine in YOUR country, my countrmen die".

I answered something along this lines when a teacher at the lab introduced me to a visitor as "the lab's cocaines supplier". He didn't speak to me in months, but after that he was cool. In general the reaction is like "Sorry, I didn't know it was like that", and then you can start blabbering about Colombia's beaches, mountains, Garcia Marquez and Shakira (Usually people think she's mexican!)

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 24, 2007, 00:57:

For the Hypocrites out there in this thread, and you know who you are.......keep this thread in mind when you trashtalk Mexicans here on PBH......

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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LaMovidCh(u)eca says on Jul 24, 2007, 00:58:

I actually heard a good cocaine joke once. I was telling this dutch about how good surgery, specially esthetic surgery, was in colombia. I said even Maradona went there for his gastro-intestinal bypass. The guy just stared at me and said "Well, maybe he went there because of something else, you know?". I just had to laugh.

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Colombiche says on Jul 24, 2007, 05:35:

Miguel Clavo, I never really badmouthed Mexicans as I fond of mexico as well.

Mantequila, plenty of Jhon's in Colombia but none of them have a surname of "Blow" that sounds more like a foreign name ;)

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Colombiche says on Jul 24, 2007, 05:36:

I meant to say "I am fond of Mexico as well". Edit button where are you?

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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gabolicious says on Jul 24, 2007, 05:44:

que onda Colombiche... que? así nos llevamos ya?

que mala onda eh?

jajajajajajajajajaja mentiras nena es solo por molestarte =)

saludos del DF! =)

Elección no canonización....

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elmodefoque says on Jul 24, 2007, 05:52:

I must be the only Colombian that doesn’t get upset with cocaine jokes.
I must be like most Italians and their mafia. Those guys love the sopranos and the godfather.
Bring on more cocaine jokes, I love them!!

ASK NOT WHAT THE PUSSY CAN DO FOR YOU, BUT WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR THAT PUSSY!!!!!!!!!! CAT LOVER

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Lucho562 says on Jul 24, 2007, 07:24:

Luckily enough americans are the most prodiment users of drugs....Colombians just profit off their vicio.

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Colombiche says on Jul 24, 2007, 07:53:

The only time in my life that these colombian bad ass reputation worked in my favour was when I was attending a really crappy highschool here in Toronto. I remember when I started talking to the latino guys these central american chola gangsters were threatening to kill me. They thought I was a white chick stealing their men's attention or something. Then one day, a Peruvian buddy told them I was colombian and joked that my dad was an extradited member of the Medellin cartel. After that these cholas looked at me like I was a rockstar. They said hi to me and tried to get me to hang out with them. The only thing they didn't do was roll out a red carpet when I went by. All the toughest latino vatos in the school treated me like royalty, the leader of the gang became my boyfriend and I would only talk to the cholas when I needed somebody to go fetch me a beer or something LOL.

Survival strategies that got me through those years he he he.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Simon says on Jul 24, 2007, 09:34:

"I must be the only Colombian that doesn’t get upset with cocaine jokes. "

That just shows that you're not really a Colombian then. No real, decent Colombians I know would say that those jokes don't upset them, unless they are narcotraffickers!.


"For the Hypocrites out there in this thread, and you know who you are.......keep this thread in mind when you trashtalk Mexicans here on PBH......"

Miguel,

Dude, you know that if anyone has "trashtalked mexicans" it because certain individuals on this board, and you know who they are, constantly try to belittle Colombian before Mexico. I personally don't give a shit about mexicans one way or the other, and don't take that the wrong way, 'cause I really don't give a shit about anyone other than my countrymen, really.

"Tu vas a ver, llegaras a mi edad y veras que Colombia seguira igual"-----Simon Sr.

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 24, 2007, 09:39:

Colombiche...rest assured you are not included among the Mexico bashers i was referring to........i have nothing but respect for you and your posts based on intelligence and common sense...=).....

But i do believe the only way to change the undeserved reputation of Colombia currently has is to take the time to educate these ignorantes one person at a time......at one point in time lots of people thought the world was flat, but eventually enough people convinced the "flatheads" to become "roundheads" and we all lived happily thereafter......jajajaj....

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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elmodefoque says on Jul 24, 2007, 09:53:

whatta ya mean the world is not FLAT???????

ASK NOT WHAT THE PUSSY CAN DO FOR YOU, BUT WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR THAT PUSSY!!!!!!!!!! CAT LOVER

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 24, 2007, 09:56:

Simon....talking about what sports team is better is not trashtalking, it is called part of the competitive spirit in sport....ie, Olympics involving multiple countries......ALL latinos are very competitve, almost fanatical at times, over sports......i agree there is WWAYYYY tooo much trashtalking here on a site that is supposed to encourage visitors to Colombia...i dont get that part....but, for the people who do take a chance to see Colombia first hand, then they educate a few more people, who educate a few more people, who educate a few more people.......etc.......i dont get personally offended by people who trashtalk mexico or the US...everyone is entitled to thier opinion and to express that opinion.....but that doesnt mean i cant have a little fun with them pointing out the silliness of some of thier post.....i am all for nationalism, but ultranationalism to the point of obsession or fanaticism is not normal nor desirable in my book......

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 24, 2007, 10:00:

thank god toilet seats are still flat, huh, elmo!!! i know, word of mouth is kinda slow, but see, another one just right now became a roundhead......jajajaja.....psssst....the moon is not really made of cheese, there is not man in the moon, Santa Claus is a commercial character, and Rosy ODonnell....well, i will leave that POS out of this for now....

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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spigrimace says on Jul 24, 2007, 10:03:

I didn´t know about the Letterman thing until reading this. If that´s a real quote when Noceti said "You joke about what you shouldn't joke about. But you're a nice man. Promise me and the people of Colombia that you won't joke about us anymore." She won my vote for Miss Universe contest as that quote exhibited style, charisma, grace, elegance and a human quality of forgiveness that we have lost in the today´s thinking of "we demand justice and you must knock you down and you must lose EVRYTHING and go back to square one and stay there" when you make a mistake, especially when it´s a simple remark, not like someone died or was maimed over the incident. Have you seen the reactions of some of these people on these 24 hour news networks regarding someone who make a faux paux? It´s an all out eye bulging, nosrtils flaring, obsessed attack of string them up and nail their balls to the wall!!!! No grace in that. I was watching Fox News and this incensed woman was wailing on and on how airlines must be held acountable and pay damages for delays. The subject was a Jet-Blue airliner that was already late 4 hours for takeoff and then on it´s way to JFK, weather forced it to land in Atlantic City and all the passengers went to hotels and they finally got to JFK in about 24 hours total. She was screaming for vengeance and I kept thinking to myself 1) It was weather, they don´t have control over that and 2) Why didn´t anyone think to simply then put them on busses for a 2.5 hour trip up the GS Parkway, over the verrazanno out to JFK??

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Jul 24, 2007, 11:57:

"Where Troubles Are No Joke"

http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/colombia/troubles.htm

I've posted this before but it might be new to some posters.

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Colombiche says on Jul 24, 2007, 12:06:

The writer summed it all up in this one sentence alone:


"Colombia is a country that can laugh at itself but doesn't like being laughed at by others."

That's the truest thing ever said, the rest is all fluff.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Colombiche says on Jul 24, 2007, 12:07:

"Colombia is a country that can laugh at itself but doesn't like being laughed at by others"

Beautiful. Poetic. I love it.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Simon says on Jul 24, 2007, 12:15:

"Colombia is a country that can laugh at itself but doesn't like being laughed at by others."


Yeah, but I think that can be applied to most countries as well.

For example, I remember night after night I would hear that Jay Leno make fun of Bush, but how would US americans like to hear a foreign comic make fun of their president.

"Tu vas a ver, llegaras a mi edad y veras que Colombia seguira igual"-----Simon Sr.

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 24, 2007, 12:21:

if it was meant as humor, simon, wouldnt bother me a bit......we gets lots of foreign press making fun of us.....its all good....its called "makin fun" for a reason, amigo....

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Simon says on Jul 24, 2007, 12:29:

If the joke is about US americans being pedophiles, drug-addicts, racists, etc., I really don't think most US americans would like to hear that coming from a foreigner. Just like Colombians don't like jokes by foreigners about us being drug-dealers. Those are sensitive topics.

"Tu vas a ver, llegaras a mi edad y veras que Colombia seguira igual"-----Simon Sr.

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 24, 2007, 12:56:

i dont agree.....the US does have its share of pedophiles, addicts, racists and everything inbetween.....the source of the humor is not important to me.....if it is meant as humor, and not harm, then i dont mind.....if you cant laugh at yourself, then something is inherently wrong.....imagine a life without humor??

sensitive, yes, but also an area people need to educate the ill-informed....no?

before i visited Colombia, i had heard all the same crap....but i dont believe everything i am told, and i have heard all the mexican jokes every spoken......but bad-taste joke will ever be able to compete with a first-hand experience on Colombian soil......imho...

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Man Tequila says on Jul 24, 2007, 13:02:

People like to think that they can laugh at themselves, but many cannot. Comedians all over the world already make fun of Bush. Most Americans don't care, but some conservative resent it. If people were making fun of average Americans and calling them cokeheads, this would be very much resented as it is in Colombia. MANY American students I recently met in Europe whined about being treated rudely in France since they had to wait for their croque monsieurs... imagine their reaction if they were told Yankees were all crack junkies...

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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Simon says on Jul 24, 2007, 13:07:

"If people were making fun of average Americans and calling them cokeheads, this would be very much resented as it is in Colombia. MANY American students I recently met in Europe whined about being treated rudely in France since they had to wait for their croque monsieurs... imagine their reaction if they were told Yankees were all crack junkies..."


I Agree 100%!!!

"Tu vas a ver, llegaras a mi edad y veras que Colombia seguira igual"-----Simon Sr.

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 24, 2007, 13:10:

well. for me i would laugh at it, but i know that not all americans are cokeheads...some prefer pepsi........aka...pepsiheads...

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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houstongal says on Jul 24, 2007, 14:56:

good one MC!

"It is now official: there's no place on earth where you will not find a Peruvian band." David Sedaris

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 24, 2007, 15:41:

and HG, lets not forget the UnCola crowd....those who we dare not speak of in public, lest our tongues get "slice"d off....=)

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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slguy says on Jul 24, 2007, 15:50:

If there is a more maligned country than the USA today, I'll be damned if I know which one it is. We're easy targets. Having a high profile always brings with it being in the crosshairs of public opinion- whether you're Hollywood famous here- or the sponsors of a vastly unpopular war on the international front.

Yes- we're a nation of crackheads, rascists of all stripes, dimwitted politicians, ball-busting women, and on and on. I have heard all sorts of humor aimed at us- as has almost everyone I know, who leaves the country from time to time. But I have never seen an American take real offense at any of this, even when the source was in no position to be critical of us. American generally, are many things- but as a rule, thin-skinned is not one of them. Maybe because as a country, we know who and what we are- and what we aren't.

Sure- you can find plenty of ignorant rednecks who take offense at anything anti-American. But the rest of us are as amused by these thin-skinned rednecks as the rest of the world is amused at us.

National personalities are very much like individual personalities, I think. There are personalities of those who are secure enough in their own skins to laugh at themselves- and those that aren't.

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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Man Tequila says on Jul 24, 2007, 22:15:

People around the world are critical of America. Some of it is real envy due to economic and military power, some of it is due to reckless diplomacy, sponsoring wars and for what is seen as naked abuse of power for selfish self-interest.

I just came back from Europe and met a crapload of Americans, who generally said that Europeans in most countries criticized the US for their role in Iraq. That said, these debates were generally friendly and people usually recognized that the American students were not the same as the American government. Lots of Americans disagree with the war and with Bush. Many also do not.

Point is most European folks could distinguish between one American citizen they met in Europe, and the actions of their US government, which they disagreed with.

So yeah, the US is much maligned. But when someone makes a joke about cocaine when they meet a Colombian, they are not insulting the Colombian government. They are insulting the Colombian people including the individual in front of whom they snicker, ignorant of how much cocaine has hurt the average Colombian. Many Colombians are secure in their skin. But afer hearing these jokes for the thousandth time I am sure it wears pretty thin.

Many Americans took a great deal of offense when Michael Richards made a few unwise comments at a comedy club, when Janet Jackson had a trivial wardrobe malfunction, when Don Imus was trying to be amusing. Some skins are thinner than others.

You could make a general comment about dimwitted American televangelists. But if you make this comment in front of the faithful at the Crystal Cathedral, it will be received differently.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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goin_south says on Jul 24, 2007, 23:37:

Awww, M_C, your making me remember some of those crazy UnCola Commercials... the guy running after the 7-up truck and slam dunkin, just as the truck slammmmz on de brakes... jejeje... and much more.

Looks like your gettin under some pbhcolombianthinskinz....jej

Where do we go from here?

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Colombiche says on Jul 25, 2007, 05:32:

See for instance this Shakira skit, I couldn't help but chuckle but I think it is ironic that the american chick making fun of shakira probably speaks only english if that... yet she makes fun of somebody who picked up a new language and speaks it with an accent, please! Don't make fun of someone who is bilingual if you never tried to pick up another language yourself.

I used to get teased about my accent when I was learning english.. .but I had to laugh at this skit, I think it was the part about the "gyrations"

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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elmodefoque says on Jul 25, 2007, 05:54:

as someone who speaks like Ricky fokin Ricardo, i find this video real funny too jijjjjjjiij

ASK NOT WHAT THE PUSSY CAN DO FOR YOU, BUT WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR THAT PUSSY!!!!!!!!!! CAT LOVER

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Colombiche says on Jul 25, 2007, 06:05:

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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elmodefoque says on Jul 25, 2007, 06:07:

Hey colombiche I was watching this show on TV from Canada, “Just for laughs” and found most of the skits to be real funny and Canadians look like a country of real nice, and super friendly mellow yellow people.

ASK NOT WHAT THE PUSSY CAN DO FOR YOU, BUT WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR THAT PUSSY!!!!!!!!!! CAT LOVER

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gringoloid says on Jul 25, 2007, 06:26:

aw c'mon, lighten up and roll with the punches. colombianos laugh at me all day long here in Bogota with my ropa vaquero, pelo rubio....etc, etc...

i call myself a gringo and laugh along with them. i'm the butt of the joke, so what?

i spent 30 years in sales and marketing in the states and I think every single customer insulted me at one time or another......it goes with the territory.

now my doctor told me to stay away from coke, so I got a 15 foot straw!!

Who are the three blind men?

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famsearch says on Jul 25, 2007, 21:00:

just remember all of the posts before this one, before you tell your favorite montanero joke... lol

dan

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Man Tequila says on Jul 25, 2007, 22:43:

Not heard the 15' straw joke... anyone in pelo vaquero has it coming for sure ;)

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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Colombiche says on Jul 26, 2007, 07:38:

I'll tell all the montañero jokes in the world,after all ,I am a montañera.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Simon says on Jul 26, 2007, 13:53:

Man Tequila,

"So yeah, the US is much maligned. But when someone makes a joke about cocaine when they meet a Colombian, they are not insulting the Colombian government. They are insulting the Colombian people including the individual in front of whom they snicker, ignorant of how much cocaine has hurt the average Colombian. "


Dude, that was poetic! I couldn't have said it better,

"Tu vas a ver, llegaras a mi edad y veras que Colombia seguira igual"-----Simon Sr.

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 26, 2007, 13:59:

Hey Colombiche...there is something wrong with this???

"What lack of etiquette. When you meet a palestinian, do you tell them "Hey Feras do do have a suicide bomb strapped to your chest"? "

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Colombiche says on Jul 27, 2007, 09:00:

Mmm, Miguel, well... personally, I have been introduced to quite a few Palestinians and I never really cracked any suicide bomber jokes (much less at introduction time). I worked with a palestinian and I know these issues were mega-sensitive to him. He had relatives that were killed by israeli troops so I wouldn't even go there. Same way some bozo at a meeting should be careful about cracking cocaine jokes, I mean, he doesn't know how many relatives I have had offed by narco guerrillas, it's not really a situation to joke about.

It's common sense, I am surprised at how many people lack it.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 27, 2007, 09:26:

i was just playing with you a little, C...but that would be a legitimate question at a mideast border crossing or police check point, i would think....=)..but in a work place or friendly social setting its a no no....=)

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Colombiche says on Jul 27, 2007, 10:14:

Yeah, definitely, I can see Mohammed being asked that question at Iowasota the airport.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Colombiche says on Jul 27, 2007, 10:17:

Shit, my happy typing fingers need an edit button Peter. The way some of my posts are going through it sounds as though I am taking first level ESL and flunking miserably.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 27, 2007, 10:38:

You just need to pray to the Keyboard Gods more, C....

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Colombiche says on Jul 27, 2007, 10:40:

He he he, I want one of those.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 27, 2007, 10:43:

that is referred to as "Kat1's favorite key"......=)

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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