Real Gringos/Fake Latinos

Lionheart says on Jan 26, 2005, 02:49:

this is too much tonight - I give up My shift is over ... my bed is calling ... and I have been made a Latino because of my French/Italian heritage. So, since Americans live in North/Central/South America, I am also a real American, and I have Anglo-Saxon heritage as well, so I am a gringo too. Therefore I am a gringo latino ... or is latino gringo correct? Wait, I almost forgot I am 1/4 Native American. Therefore I am indio latino gringo, or latino indio gringo, or gringo latino indio ... Did I get this right? Hey, I forgot the Celts originally lived on the continent before they wandered off to Ireland ... so I am celtic indio gringo latino .... welcome to my nightmare, I am a bastard, I belong to four races! shoot me now ... good night everybody ...

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 26, 2005, 02:53:

What a load of rubish, get yo morgus

What a load of rubish, get your fact straight first,and them come back here.

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chicharron says on Jan 26, 2005, 03:05:

WHACKO Morgus, have you been partaking of something you shouldn't ?

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jccg says on Jan 26, 2005, 03:19:

Are you in the kkk? how many blacks did you burn this weekend? Did you went to hig school?...

This is just the true!!

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dwmte says on Jan 26, 2005, 03:29:

i dunno, lionheart.... that's a pretty tough row to hoe....

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umm says on Jan 26, 2005, 03:36:

And then there are those nasty :) Congolese who speak french and claim to be latinos because of that. Well, the music from Congo sounds a bit like latin music. jajajajaja
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dwmte says on Jan 26, 2005, 03:58:

lionheart... you sure you're not a hindu in disguise?

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Albatross says on Jan 26, 2005, 04:24:

And the Winner is... "Real Americans are Anglo Saxon" gets my vote for the most ignorant statement ever posted at PBH. (However, the rest of your post is a noteworthy attempt at stupidity also)

I can hardly wait to read more of your insightful observations... perhaps you can describe what it was like growing up in a trailer park in Bumfuck, Mississippi.

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kernow62 says on Jan 26, 2005, 04:50:

Actually to be classed a Celt one only needs to speak a Celtic language. The people that made up what we loosely term Celts were made up of many peoples bound together by a then common language that we call proto-Celtic. This later divided as the people went to various regions of Europe and became the languages we have today. Just because you are from Ireland or Scotland does not make you Celtic.

Celtic languages, especially the Brythonic branch are very closely tied to Latin and are sometimes also referred to as romance languages.

I have a friend in Brazil that is learning Cornish (don't ask why), so technically he will become a Celt simply because he has learned the language.

And as almost all European languages, including Latin are originally from the Indian sub-continent we should all start calling ourselves Indian. So why do people get upset when they call tech support for their PC and get a guy in Mumbai?

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isaactraveler says on Jan 26, 2005, 04:51:

another troll sticks his head out of the sand this guy is next.

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lanegratomasa says on Jan 26, 2005, 05:11:

Morgus, imbecil What an at £$%^^&^&!

Some people should just stay off the drugs!!



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chicharron says on Jan 26, 2005, 05:59:

we are ra peepol Morgus (in his rant) has raised the interesting question as to how far language goes in defining national identity -if ye ken fit I mean jimmy

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babygirl says on Jan 26, 2005, 06:03:

Hey guys is there a spanish word for Red Neck? hahahaa.

cheers - babygirl

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william_andrew_channell says on Jan 26, 2005, 06:28:

Spanish (or at least Mexican) for redneck = cuellorrojo (I think this is only used by pochos, however) or my favorite: tlacuache

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LaloG says on Jan 26, 2005, 06:38:

What a dredful black and white world Morgus lives in. Just wish maybe he could start to see a little color. . .it´s so much more interesting.
Best,
LaloG

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Albatross says on Jan 26, 2005, 06:53:

Chicharron At the risk of lending credence to the initial post, language often does go very far in defining national identity. The Quebec succession movement has been largely driven by the language difference with the rest of Canada.

Also, although I like their culture in general, I think the refusal of many Latin / Hispanic immigrants to learn English and/or consider it their primary language after settling here in the U.S., is creating a separate "America" and could very well become a serious problem in the future.

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chicharron says on Jan 26, 2005, 07:05:

no danger in the first instance Albatross...

Same can be said of the Basques - its a fairly subjective matter to even define who can be considered such - and in their own opinion I believe they specifically excleded anyone who is not a "native" EUSKARA speaker - the point being I suppose is you can't learn to be what your not?

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elmodefoque says on Jan 26, 2005, 07:08:

Morgues, you ignorant slut, jejej (from “Saturday Nigh Live” Jane, you……) you have just insulted the crap outta most Colombians except me. The one thing they hate the most is to be called INDIO. I was called that a lot, by people looking not much different than me, but I on the other hand took great pride in that word. To be honest I preferred to be called Guajiro hijueputa! Anyway, I’m a native (Indio) modefoque that spoke my language (Wayuu) before I spoke Spanish, and I also used to hang around stuffing coca paste between my teeth and gum and would not change who I am for all the tea in china.
BTW, what ever you do, DO NOT call some of the Colombian girls INDIA, especially the ones with gringo/Europeans boyfriends, they will tear you a nice deep new asshole

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Lauthra says on Jan 26, 2005, 07:08:

LOL Comparing 'gringo' to celtic, the roman empire... Yeah, I can just see the chapter on gringo history on Encarta...

Nato ;)

Nato (='.'=)

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lozza says on Jan 26, 2005, 07:23:

"gringos are American"
Any Latin American will be confused by this - in Colombia i have been taught not to call people from the US 'Americans' as 'America' refers to anywhere from Canada to the southern tip of Chile. Problem is in English we don't have a name for people from the US, they have made 'American' theirs - and technically it's wrong: Mexicans are Americans, Brazilians are Americans, Bolivians are Americans, Colombians are Americans etc. etc. So now i just say 'yanks' or 'Gringos' (niether meant offensively) for people from the US - any other suggestions!?!?

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chicharron says on Jan 26, 2005, 07:25:

The rise and fall of the gringo empire - surely no more than a footnote ?

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fzrdan says on Jan 26, 2005, 07:28:

I imagine 'American' is because the word America is part of the country name.

Colombia = Colombian
Mexico = Mexican
Canada = Canadian
United States of America = American

I know it is not always like this...

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umm says on Jan 26, 2005, 07:34:

Then they should call the gringos US Americans, thats less ambiguous or perhaps simply 'Statelers'
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lozza says on Jan 26, 2005, 07:34:

Of course that's the reason - but if you say 'American' to a lot of people in Latin America they don't immediately know you're specifying people from the United States.

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chicharron says on Jan 26, 2005, 07:39:

Americans are not Asians the term AMERICA is supposed to be derived from the Italian Amerigo Vespucci - who was considered the bright dude who figured out he was not in ASIA - but don't worry Morgus that does not make all Americans Italians.... ( neither are all Italians mopeds, they are bipeds )

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suzannyo says on Jan 26, 2005, 07:44:

We could use... "UnitedStates-ian", but that sounds a little funny. I usually just say "I'm from the States" or some such phrase to avoid the whole situation.

Suzanne :)

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lozza says on Jan 26, 2005, 07:46:

In Britain people say 'American' and 'yank' is just a nickname we use.

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umm says on Jan 26, 2005, 07:46:

And I am from 'some other states' jejejeje
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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 26, 2005, 08:16:

I remember a guy in Colombia when I asked him where nationality he was, he said North American (norteamericano) But that will include Canada as well. I usually called the people from U.S.A norteamericano.

Elmo: I am not bothered if somebody called me india that was my nickname when I was little, cos my black straigh hair. And part of my ancestors were the sinues. What annoyed me of this guy is "and" I am usually a calm person trying to avoid debates, is the lack of knowledge.

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babygirl says on Jan 26, 2005, 08:35:

up here we call people from the states "yanks" as a slang or americans, and anyone from central / south america is "latin /south american", but i know from travel that even in england canadians and americans get lumped together. how many times was i called a yank or an american overseas?
so if real americans are anglo saxon and the brits settled in the states originally doesn't that make real americans british? tehehe

cheers - babygirl

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Albatross says on Jan 26, 2005, 08:46:

American I suppose it's uncool that we've taken over the name, but right or wrong, if you say that you're "American" in any part of the world outside of the Americas, people will think you're from the U.S.

Also, I'm from New England and proud to be a Yankee, but as Tinto pointed out, if you ever find yourself in some dive bar just about anywhere from Georgia to Texas, with a strange desire to get your ass kicked, just start calling the locals "Damn Yankees".

P.S. If that doesn't work, tell 'em that Jefferson Davis was a fag...

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Crazy4Cali says on Jan 26, 2005, 09:05:

Of course, if you're Dan Quayle you go to Latin America to speak latin with the locals.

So I guess the REAL latinos speak latin and the rest are just wannabees.

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babygirl says on Jan 26, 2005, 09:06:

albatross hahahaaaa thanks for the tip..by the way i say yank as a term of endearment not a slur

cheers - babygirl

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elmodefoque says on Jan 26, 2005, 09:06:

Kat, when I first saw you, the thing that came to mind, was india LINDISIMA!
You know what drives me crazy and I can’t figure out. Why are most Colombianas breathe taking beautiful and sexy (you) while most of the guys are so damn ugly.
Every time I’m sitting in Colombia among many friends and family with a bunch of great looking girls, I always ask the guys the same question. “nojoda marica, ustedes si son hijueputas bien feos, que paso, no le dieron suficiente de come?
Maybe is just the male members of my family, me, included.

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Miamigo says on Jan 26, 2005, 09:10:

Estadounidense That's what I use. As Kat says, norteamericano includes Canadians. Estadounidense. What's the big deal?

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ColombianoX says on Jan 26, 2005, 09:16:

"I remember a guy in Colombia when I asked him where nationality he was, he said North American (norteamericano) But that will include Canada as well. I usually called the people from U.S.A norteamericano."


It would also inculde Mexico.

That's why I love the spanish word 'estadounidense', it's so precise too bad there isn't an english equivalent for this word, yet.


CX

ColombianoX 'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

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Miamigo says on Jan 26, 2005, 09:26:

CX It's a great word. It rolls off the freakin tongue, you know what I mean? I don't know if there will ever be an English equivalent. If someone who is "canadiense" is a Canadian, someone who is "estadounidense" is a State Unitian? United Statian?

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Jan 26, 2005, 09:27:

several syllables and the word "dense" (when compared to "American") haha

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ARMacleod says on Jan 26, 2005, 10:11:

How far back? Who is going to draw the line?

Before there were any, so called 'real Americans' Indians or whatever, there is no evidence that there was any human life in todays USA. The Indians came from the north on foot from what is now called Alaska. They got to Alaska from the mainland mass that now belongs to Russia.

How far back do we go? Gondwanaland?

We all came from the same place and the same family, like it or lump it, but make the best of it.

Me? everyone in the world is my direct relation.

Hi brothers and sisters. I love you all. (Yes even the misguided trolls)

As I always say. "Live and let live"

Being of unsound mind and dubious disposition, I cannot be held legally liable for any indiscretions."¡El diablo me hizo hacerlo!" But don't worry, be happy.

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Albatross says on Jan 26, 2005, 10:15:

¿ Qué ? I'm pretty sure I'M not related to you...

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ARMacleod says on Jan 26, 2005, 10:39:

Would you lay money on that? Or, could you prove that you were not. Are you Christian? or have you any religion? the answer is there, or perhaps you just happened. No, as I have said even if we accept Darwins broadest theory. We all came from the same source.

Could the human species develop at the same time in every corner of the world?

If that is the case, there is the possibility that every planet in the universe has humanoid inhabitants just like us and with the power to reason.

Sorry brother, like it, it's there.

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Miguel says on Jan 26, 2005, 12:01:

que cosa Cannot believe I burned 100 pesos reading this thread. Some good barbs and comments, but once again Morgus, if you were a radio station you would be called "todo papaya 24-7".

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Lionheart says on Jan 26, 2005, 13:19:

good morning Live long and prosper .... in this thread. It tool me 2 large cups of coffee to get to the end. What does this tell me: Write total insanity to get the most response, knowledge and wisdom is boring. Looks like cowboy isn't around yet ... he will go bezerk on this one.

Om mane padme hum - dwmte

I will save this thread for anybody in the future for those who act racist. It proves to me that we are either rejected abductees or neanderthals in disguise. To be honest, I am very happy this thread got started in the way it did. It is the absolute proof of how stupid racism is.

Elmo - my novia gives me a big smile when I call her my little indian, or mi pantera india .... she is proud of it.

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utopiacowboy says on Jan 26, 2005, 13:26:

Actually, Lionheart, I read the thread and I got tired reading it. I was so tired when I got to the end, I just couldn't add anything to it. Except this.

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vladimiro says on Jan 26, 2005, 13:43:

Indo-Europeans "And as almost all European languages, including Latin are originally from the Indian sub-continent we should all start calling ourselves Indian. So why do people get upset when they call tech support for their PC and get a guy in Mumbai?"

MidEast historian Bernard Lewis:

"A seventeenth-century Turkish visitor who went to Vienna as part of an Ottoman embassy, notes with curiosity that the language which they speak in Vienna is a corrupt form of Persian. He had of course observed the basic Indo-European kinship between Persian and German, and the fact that the Germans say ist and the Persians say ast, almost the same thing, for the verb "to be," present indicative third-person singular."

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dwmte says on Jan 26, 2005, 18:51:

ouch, vlad, say what? everyone of you knows, that if you speak american, your american. somebody even said something like that above....

lionheart...back at ya, namaste

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DeDerechosHumanos says on Jan 26, 2005, 19:37:

though i am not fully in accord with op's logic, i share his probable confusion as to why people generally, and especially minorities, do not distinguish between white americans. as a full-blooded italian-american that has been all over latin america, as well as england, i would consider myself "latin" way before anglo-saxon.

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jack73534 says on Jan 26, 2005, 21:40:

gringo ok yankee not Im from the southwest U.S. and I have mexican friends that joke with me about my gringo a** going to South America this does not bother me but do not under any reason call someone from the south a YANKEE!!!

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utopiacowboy says on Jan 26, 2005, 21:48:

He's right. As Yosemite Sam would say, "Them's fighting words!" There is still a lot of rancor between the North and South about the War for Southern Independence, believe it or not.

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isaactraveler says on Jan 26, 2005, 22:41:

i wouldnt go so far as to say the war between north and south but being from texas, I hate to be called a yankee. I much prefer gringo over yankee. weird huh?

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 27, 2005, 01:42:

You can called me India anytime, and you can be as white as a washing powder but still I won't go out with you. I read all of your post and I go to the conclusion that I have a better time with my goldfish.

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nanis says on Jan 27, 2005, 07:12:

MORGUS i will have to disagree with you on this one!!!! First of all we are not Latin!! We are Latinos!!

Latin is a medieval language from the Middle Ages and the renaissance times! It’s a skilled used in many professions such as Classics, Theology, Philosophy and History.

Latinos = Latino America or Latin America (Central and South America)

Gringos = Americans and Americans = English Background!!!
But wait a minute!!!
Weren’t Americans Indians too???

Yes they were!! North America was populated by Indians before the English came along! So does that make an American gringo an Indian too??? I guess so!

Latinos come from different races we are a mixture of everything and yea Central and South America was populated by Indians before the Europeans and the Africans came along! My mum’s has Indigenous and black background, my dad’s family are light skin with Spanish and indigenous backgrounds. So what does that make me?? I don’t know all I know is that I’m proud of being what I am whether is India or not!

P.S I thought you might know this…Colombians are a mixture of everything! There are mestizos, cholos, mulattos, white from European backgrounds like most paisas, black afrocolombianos like the people from the pacific coast (choco, Buenaventura) and Indians from the Atlantic coast, gypsy groups known as the rom, other mixed races and not forgetting our very own indigenous people who we are very proud of!

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miamimike says on Jan 27, 2005, 12:22:

Senora Gomez-you are Hispanic and a Latina... Senora, to make this distiction--all Hispanics are Latinos but not all Latinos are Hispanics. This is the case with Brazil-they are considered Latinos by virtue of the fact that their langauge
-Portuguese,(but are not Hispanics) has Latin Roots, as does french, italian, spanish--the Romance Langauges .The Brasileras here in Miami will point out that distinction immediately and very clearly if you make the comparison. The Native American Indian is the only Race here that can make the claim "I am Native American" the rest of us, myself included, are all of immigrant heritage.We all came later.Latin is also widely used in Medicine,anatomy,ect.Que tengas un Buen Dia o mejor dicho, Buena tarde.

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elmodefoque says on Jan 27, 2005, 12:30:

"thats going to be my new pick up line in Colombia: "eres India"? " morgus

dude, if you use that line, best be ready to go home to choke the chicken every single night. tell them they look like britney spears.

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Chevere33 says on Jan 27, 2005, 12:40:

We should lay this one . . . . . . to rest. After reading the initial post, and others from Morgus, I can pretty much figure that he has only written them to stir things up. I can also assume that he hasn't read much history. Quote: "well Ms Gomez, the difference is in North America all the Indians were killed and not much mixing." This is fiction, not fact. Read your history books, Mr. Morgus. The fact is that about every fourth person in the United states claims to be "part Indian", myself included, and many tribes were left intact. The US isn't as mixed as some South American countries, particularly Colombia, but . . .

Anyway, I think he is taking us all on a ride. What a waste of bandwidth.


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kernow62 says on Jan 27, 2005, 17:17:

Hey wait a minute Miamimike, didn't all those Indians walk over from Russia or somewhere? How are they the only ones who can be called natives? ;-)

Has anyone else noticed the similarity that exists between the Sámi of Finland and North American Indians. Some of the dress, the appearance and especially the vocal stylings of the music bear an uncanny likeness with one another.

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miamimike says on Jan 27, 2005, 17:35:

Jim You are right! Now I know why I look like I do!

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babygirl says on Jan 27, 2005, 17:42:

why is it an issue if you're indian or whatever? pardon my ignorance but i was under the impression that there wasn't as much racism in south america... i guess i'm wrong... please don't tell me it's like north america!

cheers - babygirl

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Miguel says on Jan 27, 2005, 20:36:

hmm Looks like Morgus and Zagarise found each other on match.com

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Lionheart says on Jan 27, 2005, 20:49:

Morgus Stop inventing stories and only post facts. Your stories are insulting and do not belong here. So far some posters have written racist comments against one race, you have managed to attack all races with false statements.

Tinto has warned you, now I warn you, for the last time.

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Albatross says on Jan 28, 2005, 04:25:

Adios...

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

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YEP says on Jan 28, 2005, 07:04:

Hmmm what about the OP's/Mod's called for links to those facts
or statements before becomming trickerhappy ;-)


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elmodefoque says on Jan 28, 2005, 07:34:

Lucky most Spaniards did not come across a band of lesser known Indians deep in the Venezuelan jungle called the Mariconis. Those guys used to go into Spanish settlements, to kill the women and rape the men.

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elmodefoque says on Jan 28, 2005, 07:36:

i think Chavez is from that tribe.

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Crazy4Cali says on Jan 28, 2005, 09:11:

WTF? yummmm!

troll-bait, Gooooood!

...even if it was an interesting history lesson.

Though I have to wonder if Austrailia is next on the hit list after Morgus' comment: "Many colonists were criminals even in their own lands..."

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 28, 2005, 09:14:

LOL crazy4cali. I think I better stop reading his post cos otherwise I am going to have an identity crisis.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jan 28, 2005, 09:30:

kernow yes, the similarity between the Sami and the Native Americans is something that is apparent and logical from the CircumPolar Perspective. There was a recent exihibition in the Museum of the Sámi Culture in the town of Inari, in the Finnish Lapland about the CircumPolar Perspective; I was there last summer and found it fascinating. It focused mainly in the cultural unity of the FennoScandinavian and Kola Peninsula Sámis and the other related cultures of Northern Asia, but there was plenty reference to the possibility of finding cultural and linguistic similarities with the people of the American Arctic too.
For further ref http://www.itv.se/boreale/eatneme.htm
Cheers,
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YEP says on Jan 28, 2005, 09:39:

Well one excellent and obvius example is the inuits in northern Russia / Greenland / Canada NW.

Which is close in lingo as the scandinavian countries.
The russian is a little further away from a language point of view and due to politics from central government under "communist control" earlier on .


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ARMacleod says on Jan 28, 2005, 11:18:

You see, I knew that I was correct. Anyway, I am from Z-Zorg (just to the right of centuar 24/35 in the maxton nebula tolon. I will not have anyone say anything against aliens of any kind. I will beam you up to face the Galactic Ogre, Dodgy Numb Nuts.

Get of my front and stand on your own ears.

Wife thing! Pass me my elixir, NOW! I am begining to make sense.

Being of unsound mind and dubious disposition, I cannot be held legally liable for any indiscretions."¡El diablo me hizo hacerlo!" But don't worry, be happy.

The brain is like a parachute, it only functions correctly when it is open. Pax vobiscum.

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ARMacleod says on Jan 28, 2005, 11:22:

Being of unsound mind and dubious disposition, I cannot be held legally liable for any indiscretions."¡El diablo me hizo hacerlo!" But don't worry, be happy.

The brain is like a parachute, it only functions correctly when it is open. Pax vobiscum.

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Lionheart says on Jan 28, 2005, 11:32:

Don't Panic The answer to all questions is 42!

Sometimes I wonder why we aren't just blown to pieces to make room for an intergalactic highway.

I hope 3 encores is enough.

Meet y'all at the Restaurant at the End of the Universe!

*** packs his used copy of the Hitchhiker's Guide into his backpack to study survival in Colombia while there ***

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