RACISM IN COLOMBIA, THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

elmodefoque says on Oct 25, 2007, 05:42:

Again, let me challenge you to come to queens NYC and see if you get the same friendly smile from hot colombianas as you do walking the streets of Cali, Bogota and Medellin

kat1 (Moderator) says on Oct 25, 2007, 05:44:

mier.......se nos emberraco Elmo!!!!

elmodefoque says on Oct 25, 2007, 05:46:

sorry, pero se me salio el indio!

webmanco says on Oct 25, 2007, 05:49:

But, I'm going to start making some assumptions here.... Which means I might actually end up making an ass out of myself ..........Thu 04 17, 2008 11:34 am

jaramillo says on Oct 25, 2007, 06:20:

Hey, Elmo, this is what I've said all along. Racism IN THE INTERIOR of Colombia is widespread. Forgive me from quoting myself from a previous thread, and feel free to jump to the last sentence:

In Medellin racism is deeply ingrained. It's just a fact of life. Look at the mayors, successful industrialists, even intellectuals. Show me a black person. The notion that blacks are inferior is a given in many quarters. The occasional success story is looked at with puzzlement. Truly a shame. Ditto for indians in Bogotá.

Yes, poverty (economic disparity, or inequality, or whatever you wanna call it) is as much the enemy as racism. But to think they are disconnected is absurd. Being black reduces your chances, regardless of your economic situation. When two poor girls interview for a sales clerk position at a store recruiting girls with "buena apariencia", the chances of the black one are zippo. For some people the black girls never have buena apariencia. This happens across the board in the interior (Bogota, Medellin, etc.).

Let’s find an institution in Colombia in which advancement is presumably not tied to wealth. Let’s say the hierarchy of the Catholic church (I am, BTW, a practicing Catholic). If wealth makes no difference before God, we would expect the ranks of the bishops to be swelled with the blacks and indians that represent so many of the faithful (after all, you do not pay for the miter). Not so! The reason, I suspect, is that, like their parents, many of the bishops are racists. They might not think they are. They might not say they are. They would deny that they are. But THEY ARE. Of course, people will rationalize a posteriori, and they easily will fool themselves. Have you seen a black Jesuit in Colombia? A black Opus Dei priest? Not me. The appointments come from the Vatican but the question is, who do the Colombian bishops promote?

In soccer, players advance because it is too hard to deny talent in the pitch. If a guy scores, he scores and dammit if he's black! Besides, people will go on with their mental arguments that blacks are only intellectually, or morally inferior. If you think this doesn’t go on in Colombia I don’t know what to say.

RACISM RULES IN COLOMBIA (as elsewhere).

kat1 (Moderator) says on Oct 25, 2007, 06:24:

jaramillo believe or not one of the cities were racism is most predominant is Cartagena.

elmodefoque says on Oct 25, 2007, 06:25:

Hey GIB is a great feeling to have people actually fear you, NOW i get a kick outta of it.
to nearly all in barranquilla i'm either PARACO or GUAJIRO most Paracos in curramba are guajiros so i'm hitting them with a double jammy, plus i just look scary anyways. jijijijijijij
Web great pic, i wonder if any of those kids will make it outta poverty??
I'm not a betting man, but i will say the odds are pretty, pretty, slim.
I see the little girls as maids and the boy selling carbon, chicklets, maybe tinto but NOT due to racism of course.

morphus says on Oct 25, 2007, 06:43:

Most of the Indios I saw in Medellin were living on the streeet.

Lowell says on Oct 25, 2007, 06:44:

"I Hate Blacks"! is a direct quote from one of the local tienda owners. Indians here are treated as a sub class of humans. Most people don't admit it, but, color discrimination exists in full force.

Alfred E. Newman. "What. Me Worry?"

morphus says on Oct 25, 2007, 06:45:

White Colombians are scared of them

morphus says on Oct 25, 2007, 06:47:

OK, I did see one white Colombian lady helping an Indian baby in Centro. Maybe there is hope.

FAB says on Oct 25, 2007, 07:26:

Yup !! theres no question about it, alot of South America has crazy racism, l hate to generlize but it's only against the native and black people who live or who visit their.

Personaly l've visited Bolivia and Brazil back and forth over the last 12yrs and sadly the racism situation has never really changed, it's still pretty much the same. White people ( latino or non latino) will always have the best experience in South America.

In December it will be my first time in Medellin Colombia, l dunno what to expect!
I'm moreno but light skinned so when in South America I catch a tan sometimes l have
got the best off both worlds.

Anyways I love white people and I love black people and ofcourse l love my gente hermosa
well done Elmo for bringing this topic to light ! post more experiences please.

Colombiche says on Oct 25, 2007, 08:15:

I can't help but chuckle when people deny there is racism in Colombia.

Manizales is a white city by colombian standards. It is also a university hub, so we have students from all over colombia living there during study season. The city always prided itself in the fact that there were no black people around (unlike medellin and Cali which have sizeable black populations), and were always very quick to point out that the black people walking around avenida Santander were not Manizalitas, but rather, students from other areas of Colombia. I remember most people I knew were reluctant to rent to costeño students, it was like costeños were the boogie man, especially if they were black. If they were white, it was assumed that they were "gente bien de Barranquilla". It was always said that that negros costeños were loud, vulgar, promiscuous and trashed their apartments. Negros caleños were considered vagos, solo buenos pa' la rumba. We also had black students from Choco, but people though they were slightly better because they were "negritos mas humildes" (meaning they were quieter and more submissive). However, it was always pointed out that "si el negro no la hace a la entrada la hace a la salida" (if black people don't screw it up at the get go, they will fugde it up at the end).

I can't speak to how it feels to be the recipient of racism in Colombia, because I was always part of the whitewashed manizales mainstream. However, when we moved to Canada I got a taste of what it felt like to go to school and be treated like an illiterate spic, oh lord, me, who had pulled good grades in a good private school, I knew academically I was ahead of these kids....and now I was getting bumped back a couple of grades because I couldn't speak english. It was a harsh wake up call, but it was humbling. Not that it was right for me to get treated that way either... but like they say in Colombia, todo mundo encuentra a su papa.

I am very very glad that I went through that. It opened my eyes. It expanded my universe. It made me realize how silly everything is. Had I stayed in Manizales all my life I might still be walking around with my head up my butt.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

eywed says on Oct 25, 2007, 08:28:

No No No there is no racism in Colombia. How dare you Elmo cast a shadow on Colombia. Colombia is perfect and there are those on here who actually believe that and you are bringing them down.
Bravo Elmo for telling the truth. I think people are better off when armed with the truth than with people's vision of what they think the truth should be.
Again I must share the truth on here myself and show folks the real you.

Ay Hombe!!!!!

slguy says on Oct 25, 2007, 08:30:

Great thread. Thanks, Elmo, for your honesty. I was wondering where you were when the other thread was denying rascism.

In my experience, rascism is alive and well throughout latin america. I went to Brazil, expecting to see very little, based on the variety of ethnic backgrounds there. Mierda. Rascism in Brazil is alive and well - in the two years I spent there, the only place I didn't see overt rascism was in Bahia - and then prolly only because I wasn't there for too long.

Anyone who denies the existence of rascism in Colombia is only being an apologist, I think. I've seen FAR too many dirty looks aimed at people of color, FAR too many snide comments made, to believe for a second that rascism doesn't exist.

But you know, I've never seen a place in the world, where some class of people or another aren't looked down on, for some silly reason or another that has nada to do with a person's meaningful qualities. So neither Colombia nor Latin America have cornered this market.

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

elmodefoque says on Oct 25, 2007, 08:34:

damn, no wonder i get NO colombian chucha jijijjij

eywed says on Oct 25, 2007, 08:37:

Much less a Conversation on an airplane.

Ay Hombe!!!!!

Lauthra says on Oct 25, 2007, 08:37:

Totally agree with you elmo, it's what I've thought all along, and it pisses me off that everyone le abre las patas a los extranjeros (even me, but just to one :P) just for the fact they are extranjeros and they people here seem to think they're better than us cos of the white skin and blue eyes and green pockets.

Nato (='.'=)

kat1 (Moderator) says on Oct 25, 2007, 08:49:

jajajjaja Lauthra

elmodefoque says on Oct 25, 2007, 08:52:

You know guys, It would be a lot easier to sit back and not say anything, keep my big mouth shut, regarding this racism in Colombia.
Now that I have a few bucks, I’m able to buy respect and chucha, but it would be a disservice for millions of suffering Colombians of color with out a voice and with out any hope.
Not to say that money has completely saved me from racism, cus I still experience it once in while like the time I was not allowed in Mr. Babilla in Cartagena and another time in Mangos in Medellin.
Anyways I’m glad they kept my injun ass outta that chit hole cus that night I found the greatest bar/club in Cartagena, TU CANDELA.
Damn I love that fokin place and have spent BIG money there. Any of you guys ever go there?

rhydewithdis says on Oct 25, 2007, 08:55:

1) Did you ever think that maybe you just aren't considered good looking to the cuties out there? I mean seriously, I bet you are trying to talk to girls that are 7's and better. How about kicking it to a nice solid 4 or 5?

2) Why don't YOU try your hand with the Black and Indians out there?

3) I LIVE in Queens and get play from Colombianas out there often enough and I'm not even LATINO. Nor am I white.

I personally think you need to look at yourself and if you have self-confidence issues. And listen, people have their preferences as far as looks are concerned. Not EVERYONE can be considered good looking. That being said, I often times find people tend to be disillusioned with respect to the type of mate they can court as far as looks are concerned. EVENTUALLY everyone finally settles in with someone that is within their range.

If anything, you have an ECONOMIC advantage over most Colombians which should give you some leverage and allow you to bag a girl that is hotter than you should probably get. I see that happen with my friends here all the time - my boy is a Doctor, butt ugly but gets half-way decent girls because he pulls down major coin.

Punto!

They said I couldn't play football I was too small / They say I couldn't play basketball I wasn't tall / They say I couldn't play baseball at all / And now everyday of my life I ball.

Grateful Dead says on Oct 25, 2007, 08:57:

What is considered "white" in Colombia ?

kat1 (Moderator) says on Oct 25, 2007, 08:57:

i didn't know they didn't allowed you in in Mr Babilla?

that sucks...

Grateful Dead says on Oct 25, 2007, 08:58:

Not that many people look like the cast from "Cafe con aroma de mujer "

kat1 (Moderator) says on Oct 25, 2007, 09:01:

trigueños are also considered white,

elmodefoque says on Oct 25, 2007, 09:03:

cordoba, mira el cuento que me dijeron, dique el presidente estaba adentro jijijji

kat1 (Moderator) says on Oct 25, 2007, 09:05:

and in Mangos what was the excuse?

elmodefoque says on Oct 25, 2007, 09:08:

dique my very cartagenera lookin cachaca wify from poblado was dressed inappropriate, I guess we just did not fit their standard set forth in that chit hole.
Meanwhile we been to MANGOS in FOKIN MIAMI dozens of times

webmanco says on Oct 25, 2007, 09:10:

There are two faces to the coin. I don´t remember anyone dening the existence of rascism. or lack of security in Colombia. The fact is that people want to exagerate and that is where the need to draw lines arises.

Now if people think that there is racims in Colombia because they are not treated as they think they should, that because their money is not worth for some people.

Now all blacks, mestizos, mulatos,blancos etc, we all got actions that are not well seem to others wheter they are right or not, those actions get a reaction that might be seem as racists actions but are not. Because a black, a white, a mestizo, a mulato, or anyone from any country who believes he/she is such a great person because he/she got a couple of more dimes, or a bit of more knowledge, that person is a racist in my book.

But, I'm going to start making some assumptions here.... Which means I might actually end up making an ass out of myself ..........Thu 04 17, 2008 11:34 am

elmodefoque says on Oct 25, 2007, 09:11:

my ex wify's family is costeño 100% cartagena and Sagu

Desideria (Moderator) says on Oct 25, 2007, 09:11:

I'd better stay out of this, you guys just don't see it the way I do and we've into this too many times.

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

kat1 (Moderator) says on Oct 25, 2007, 09:14:

she was dressed inappropriate, that mean she has clothes on and no fake boobies jijiji


do you mean sagu or sahagun

elmodefoque says on Oct 25, 2007, 09:17:

she had stuff we bought in BEBE , NYand she was not dressed appropriatE

kat1 (Moderator) says on Oct 25, 2007, 09:19:

Elmo to go to mangos, you don't need to dress but undress ;)

elmodefoque says on Oct 25, 2007, 09:20:

you guys ever see my wify?

kat1 (Moderator) says on Oct 25, 2007, 09:22:

i did once in a picture you posted, i think you two were in Barranquilla

Colombiche says on Oct 25, 2007, 09:24:

I haven't seen your wify...... I just know she is much younger than you.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

robi666 says on Oct 25, 2007, 09:24:

I think you all miss one point.
Ask to any Colombian who has a job to be done if he'd choose a black from Medellin or a white from Barranquilla.
Or when someone rents an apartment.
The main racism is not between white and black, but between costenos and men from the interior, and it is a matter of survive.
So, I don't know if racism IN THE INTERIOR of Colombia is widespread. I just know that people here would choose a black paisa over a white costeno anyday of their life.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

dwmte7 says on Oct 25, 2007, 09:24:

i've never, ever talked about this publicly, it's not even something we speak about in the family. but we--my family--are what my own father called "BREEDS' cute,eh. my mother's father and my father's mother are both commancheros. south western oklomaha and north western texas. it happened, i guess, after marrying with indians was to much ado. too, the area was crawling with indios and looking for a wife just might have been easier.

this was NEVER spoken about. it's visible inour features, but our skin is kinda middle of the road, light brown white. get the picture. some folks figure it out, but if not, i'm not in the broadcast business. i don't think i've ever experienced any real discrimination...not that i can remember, other than daddy making his periodic comments...mother, never. but it was much more evident in my parents, especially my father. his features were real distinct, as were my grandparents.

i regret that discrimination befalls anyone, especially you, buddy. without knowing you, other than posts, i feel something that i find my closest link with anyone i feel drawn to or sense a link with...that's human sincerity, the ability to call cheese, cheese; shit, shit. you got it friend, and i'll eat, drink, sleep, hang out, anytime, anywhere. you are always welcome at my door, my table, my house, and day/night. never forget that.

i've posted it a zillion times. if fate finds you in poblado....don't evenwaste your time in those traps, mangos, bodyshop,et al. fuck those holes. check out la casa de los cinco puertos. it's for wayfarers like us. also, there's the wierdest place on earth down by nutibara called acalare. you're always welcome there and i'll meet you there. any chick there will do us and our burras. haha

dwmte

elmodefoque says on Oct 25, 2007, 09:25:

she looks like my grandaughter next to me jijjij

Colombiche says on Oct 25, 2007, 09:26:

really, show us!!!! How old r u anyway elmo, I thought you were 50 but these days you are ageing exponentially it seems.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

elmodefoque says on Oct 25, 2007, 09:30:

she did this for a ferreteria calendar, so a lotta modefoques have already pleasure themself to this pic

elmodefoque says on Oct 25, 2007, 09:32:

anyway, as you see she has more of that costeña look, straight from cartagena and sagu. i think sagu is over by sincelejo, monteira

billyb says on Oct 25, 2007, 09:34:

What happened to the pic? Hey Elmo was that your wheels she was buffing?

elmodefoque says on Oct 25, 2007, 09:35:

she drives the red and i drive the yellow with black interior

Colombiche says on Oct 25, 2007, 09:40:

where is the pic? I see no pic.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

elmodefoque says on Oct 25, 2007, 09:42:

Anyway the point is, when gringos visit Colombia just enjoy all the attention you get BUT keep in mind that not everyone is treated like you
If you need a dose of reality I suggest that right after you leave Bogotá come walking around uptown Manhattan or queens NYC and see how many nice smiles you get from hot Latinas.
Thank you!!

morphus says on Oct 25, 2007, 09:43:

I'm taking my pics down. I have been getting several death threats out of Colombia. So far i'm on the "hit list" in Bogota, Medellin and Cartagena....LOL

billyb says on Oct 25, 2007, 09:43:

Kind of a reality check for gringos coming back?

elmodefoque says on Oct 25, 2007, 09:48:

hey morph, tell them what happend to us in queens. We could not even pick up colombian hooker!!!!! jijjijjij
this cachaquita chick had a fokin tantrum just cus i wanted to know how much she charged.
Talk about reality check jajajajaja

elmodefoque says on Oct 25, 2007, 09:49:

Morph in barranquilla no one is gonna fok with us, guarantee

Plato says on Oct 25, 2007, 09:56:

Carajo! La vaina si esta seria en este hilo!

I’m white with blond hair (well, whatever is left of it!), but I’ve been discriminated on paper because of my Colombian last name. Upon showing up to meetings, the bastards didn’t expect to see me except what they thought was a “Latin-looking dude" – indio, mulato, or black. This happened hundreds of times to me. How ignorant. Latinos come in all colors and flavors. The Celts invaded Spain too.

As far as racism in the interior, you’re on point – I’m ashamed to say. I think I related a story here some time ago about racism in Venezuela too. It was terrible. Some of the middle and upper middle class Venezuelans treat Colombian help - especially blacks from the Colombian coast – like shit. One night I went to their cantinas, against my family’s wishes, and I drank and danced all night. (I kept serving up the beers though).

Plato

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those [liberals] who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.--Dante Alighieri, (1265-1321)

scarby558 says on Oct 25, 2007, 10:05:

There is racism everywhere... no one can deny that.... varying degrees of severity... it is sad, but unfortunately there will always be this kind of ignorance

dwmte7 says on Oct 25, 2007, 10:08:

it ain't ignorance, it's racism/bigotry

dwmte

droble77 says on Oct 25, 2007, 10:08:

Hmmm, I think there's some exaggeration going on here. I certainly didn't get hot Latinas smiling at me all the time or trying to talk to me just because of my gringo status. Then again, maybe because I don't look like a stereotypical 6-foot blond-hair blue-eyed gringo who weighs 180-200 pounds and because of my fluent Spanish? :0)

As for racism, YES OF COURSE. It's just a different form so the gringo notices it easier as opposed to his own country. That's why people post here nonsense like Colombia is the most racist society, blah, blah. I don't think Afro-Colombians have ever had to worry about burning crosses or nooses or "driving while black" but yes there is exploitation and poverty and there are certain attitudes and stereotypes (typical of ALL of Latin America by the way, not just Colombia) but NOT necessarily any worse than the attitudes and beliefs we take for granted in the States, e.g., Shanikwa the welfare queen and her 4 loud, crazy kids. ;-)

As for some of the examples people mention, it's not like similar problems don't exist here. For instance: it's a known statistical FACT that holding income equal, blacks have less credit and have a harder time getting credit here in the states than whites do. It's like that old biblical phrase about removing the beam in your own eye before you complain about the speck in someone else's.

elmodefoque says on Oct 25, 2007, 10:10:

yo no empese la vaina, fue ese man que escribio dique todo colombianos somos friendly, helpful, nice y vivimos en pura harmony. MONDA!!!!!
hay unos colombianos que somos triple hijueputas, yo especialmente.
Mira, yo soy un requete malpario pero con todo eso, tengo que hablar por esos hijueputas que no tienen internet, porque?
Let's say USA congress is devating whether to send aid to colombia to help poor indians and blacks. If congresman Vainita from fokin Utah was reading that thread about how happy we all are in colombia, ofcourse he's gonna say, fok aid, them modefoques are doing just fine with out our help.
But if they see my thread then is a different story. Them foks are abusing their indegenous and black population, lets send lots of aid NOW!

thank yoo!!

strata2woman says on Oct 25, 2007, 10:52:

Carajo esta vaina si se puso buena. Me gusta ver los toros y las vacas desde las barreras y que siga la pelotera!

- con sombrero vueltiao y abarcas de tres puntá! -

Lauthra says on Oct 25, 2007, 11:06:

Yes trigueños ar considered white, people say I am white, but I is yellow, not white.
And I remember a pic of your wife in a green bikini some time ago, you posted it somewhere.

Nato (='.'=)

rhydewithdis says on Oct 25, 2007, 11:16:

Again, I think this thread and elmodefoque's comments are absolutely baseless.

Elmo is by his own admission fairly older and is COMPLAINING that the girls down in Colombia don't give him the attention given to others, including extrajeneros. I see fat old white farts complaining about this too when I'm in countries like Brazil, Argentina, etc. If you can't pick up a girl back where you live, WHY do you expect things to be so different when you are overseas? If you're looks can't carry you, then BEST BELIEVE you better have CONFIDENCE up the wazoo AND know how to discretely be flashy (i.e. have deep pockets). That's the ONLY OTHER way you are gonna pick up a cute < 30yo latina with a beautiful face and killer body.

The business world is different. I agree. I've been working for multi-national corporations for YEARS and traveled all over Latin America. It is quite obvious that most senior folks at these organizations are European looking. One thing that was odd though was that these guys were usually short in height < 5' 7" (I'm "short" myself), which is a departure from how things here in EEUU (i.e. US of A) are.

I'm all for constructive, objective criticisms and especially when it is with regards to racial discrimination, but elmo, you've got a ways to go when it comes to making a solid case for your argument.

They said I couldn't play football I was too small / They say I couldn't play basketball I wasn't tall / They say I couldn't play baseball at all / And now everyday of my life I ball.

Swinn88 says on Oct 25, 2007, 11:34:

Carlos Rosero on African Colombians Part 1

Swinn88 says on Oct 25, 2007, 11:35:

Carlos rosero on Afro colombians Part 2

Swinn88 says on Oct 25, 2007, 11:36:

Carlos Rosero o Afro colombians Part 3

Grateful Dead says on Oct 25, 2007, 11:37:

"If you can't pick up a girl back where you live, WHY do you expect things to be so different when you are overseas? "


Green Cards

Plato says on Oct 25, 2007, 11:46:

Bueno, aqui se armó un peo en el internet!

Plato

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those [liberals] who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.--Dante Alighieri, (1265-1321)

Swinn88 says on Oct 25, 2007, 11:50:

El Quinto Suyo, afrodescendientes en el Peru

elmodefoque says on Oct 25, 2007, 11:52:

Dude, I started going back to Colombia at the height of my popularity in NYC and still did not get free chucha while I was getting so much chucha here (NY) that I had to give it away to my white friends who weren't getting any
Sure I got chucha in colombia but only after they found out I was living in NYC, that thar is what is called chucha con interes.
back in the mid seventies, not too many middle class families in barranquilla were happy about having some long hair sweaty dark scary looking guajiro slobbering all over their nice white curramber daughters. What would the neighbors say?
But in the USA I was invited (all expenses paid) to Florida and Caribbean vacations by families of hot gringa blondes I was dating. Explain that one to me.
I’m not short, I’m not fat as a matter of fact I’m not in bad shape, except for my occasional kidney stone attacks, but now I piss those right out with no problem.
to give you a better visual of what i'm talking about when it comes to colombian racism, here i am once again. i was always proud of my injun blood.

and now as an OLD MODEFOQUE

Swinn88 says on Oct 25, 2007, 11:54:

Afro Mexico (very Short)

elmodefoque says on Oct 25, 2007, 11:55:

you think many strangers in medellin would invite me to dinner??
HELLL NOOOOOOOOO

Swinn88 says on Oct 25, 2007, 11:55:

Swinn88 says on Oct 25, 2007, 11:56:

elmodefoque says on Oct 25, 2007, 11:57:

I forgot, now when i fart i tend to have little accidents

Simon says on Oct 25, 2007, 12:00:

This is bullshit!

No one has ever called me a 'spic' in Colombia!!

"You want to talk to God? Let's go see him together, I've got nothing better to do."---Indiana Jones (Raiders of the Lost Ark)

elmodefoque says on Oct 25, 2007, 12:04:

Me NOW
but i'm still not short and fat
thank you!!

elmodefoque says on Oct 25, 2007, 12:06:

how about indio imundo?

elmodefoque says on Oct 25, 2007, 12:07:

how thre fok you spell imundo, i herd that a lot when i was a kid

Simon says on Oct 25, 2007, 12:08:

Oh, yeah, I get called that all the time, but it's usually after I call someone 'cara de verga' or 'gran pendejo'.

"You want to talk to God? Let's go see him together, I've got nothing better to do."---Indiana Jones (Raiders of the Lost Ark)

elmodefoque says on Oct 25, 2007, 12:11:

next time call them "triple hijueputa, hijo de diez leche", that's a little more intense

Swinn88 says on Oct 25, 2007, 12:14:

Interesting.

esanch36 says on Oct 25, 2007, 12:18:

i Think there is alot of racism in colombia its just not played up as much as it is in the US. They just deal with it there...I now tons of colombian fathers that would kill there daughters if they ever brought home a black dude

The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries

elmodefoque says on Oct 25, 2007, 12:21:

guys, not to leave on a sour note, enjoy all that free chucha in colombia cus when you're back in USA Manola will be your best friend.
manola??? yes manola, as in choking the chicken, la pajita, stroking the salami etc,
adios and have a pleasent evening.

kat1 (Moderator) says on Oct 25, 2007, 13:07:

charming huh!

kat1 (Moderator) says on Oct 25, 2007, 13:11:

sometimes i wonder if elmo is really worry about the racism stuff or the thing that he can't get free ch*** a jejej

strata2woman says on Oct 25, 2007, 13:13:

Kudos Cordoba!

- con sombrero vueltiao y abarcas de tres puntá! -

dwmte7 says on Oct 25, 2007, 13:23:

color, religion, race, culture, preferences...not a fricken bit of that is of interest to me. i've worked all over this planet with every kind of sot imaginable. just give me an honest, fair, compassionate person and i'll hang anytime, anywhere.

before i knew what sicarios were, back in the 80's, early on in my colombian life. i helped a young kid in the street...you might say i saved his ass. later, he came to my hotel and said his family would like me to come to his home and eat with them. sounded all right by me.

this was on the hills east of bello. little did i know that the nick name of this place was the university of los sicarios. i can still remember walking up that hill. down and out shantys, poverty everywhere...the higher we walked the more intense it became. the looks that were given me would scare a gator. were i not with this fellow i had helped, it was as clear as day, i'd be dead

finally, in his modest home, there's father, mother, brothers and sisters. the guys all had guns and were, what i was to learn, sicarios. however, because i had saved the tail of that kid, were my friends, and i was their guest. i was protected. i had a great afternoon, although i do admit a taste on the slightly scary side; fear i think i did well hiding.

i never returned, but i don't regret going. just a view into the lives of the truly impoverished and what such poverty can drive folks to do.

dwmte

kat1 (Moderator) says on Oct 25, 2007, 13:29:

really strata2woman, i bet if Elmo can get as much free chucha as he want, he wouldn't be posting nothing about racisms.

And i don't understand why can he get free chucha, first he lives in the USA, second I think he has a bit of money or is loaded, adn 3 he is not that ugly, if Carranza ( the esmeraldero owner of practically Villavicencio) can get all this beautiful women, and he is short, ugly, old and pure indio, i don't understand why elmo can't.

I am not implying that there is not racism in Colombia, but Elmo come across as why those gringos are having free chucha and not me. i think is racism... maybe uhmm maybe. no....

Grateful Dead says on Oct 25, 2007, 13:39:

dwnte7 -

Have you heard of a neighborhood called Caribe ?

How is it there ?

Chriscan says on Oct 25, 2007, 14:53:

Now I don´t know you so I really don´t know what I am talking about here. I have been called racist a few times for kicking people out of my cab or refusing to take them. It certianly had nothing to do with the colour of their skin - they were jerks.

I have been hated for being a gringo - especially in Nicaragua. Racism sucks. There is a bit of it in all of us but you can´t let it bother you.
People who are racist are denying themselves oppertunities. They are often insecure and need to put themselves above others in order to feel good.
I tend to be racist against cultures, not the colour of skin. People who have to work harder at earning my respect come from England, Northeastern States, and Australia. And having said that I have had good buddies from all of these places.

I know people from Haiti do have it bad here in Costa Rica. I might catch some fire for this, but I find Costa Ricans to be rasist. A couple of Haitians I have met here have it really bad. (I´m in San Jose for the week)

************* WARNING ************* my words often come from my ass

Grateful Dead says on Oct 25, 2007, 14:57:

Canadians are racist

jtrapp says on Oct 25, 2007, 15:18:

Elmo - have you ever been to Sweden or Norway?

jtrapp says on Oct 25, 2007, 15:22:

I have live all through the U.S. Though I have not lived there, I have done some union negotiations in San Diego, and I was kind of shocked about how old white people dominate the area politically. From that point of view, it's probably the most racist city in the States.

strata2woman says on Oct 25, 2007, 15:35:

Elmo you did it again! con tu mamadera de gallo you got all these young things confused. Racism, churumbelas, gringos, cachacas, indios, and any other pajarilla that you can think of. These poor kids don't know a "triple excelente" mamador de gallo, even if it hits them in the face. There is nothing better than a good dosis of buena mierda that can get people's juices flowing, Do you see what you did?. As a good costeña [echale pa lante hasta que el cuerpo aguante.] Y deja que te sigan la corriente.

- con sombrero vueltiao y abarcas de tres puntá! -

goin_south says on Oct 25, 2007, 15:57:

were you bored again Modefoqu... when you wrote this post?
If you were american injun, now you could get 'Wounded Knee' benefits;
I think it's jus your inferiority complex as a chit-cleaning injun ;)
racism is everywhere, or it's nowhere....depends.

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

RussianFred says on Oct 25, 2007, 16:35:

I hate to tell you guys Colombians are not white. They are black or mexican in America once they open their mouth. Last week I sat next to a Colombian guy with a Nazi tatoo. What an ass, he would never be accepted into any Nazi group. I peronally had two black friend visit me in Medellin and Cartegena. They did very well with the so called white chicas. Rasism is everywhere however you can not let it stand in your way. You can do and be anything you want!

Annual Drug Deaths: Tobacco: 395,000, Alcohol: 125,000, 'Legal' Drugs: 38,000, Illegal Drug Overdoses: 5,200, Marijuana: 0. Considering government subsidies of tobacco, just what is our government protecting us from in the drug war?--Ralph Nader

Simon says on Oct 25, 2007, 17:19:

"I hate to tell you guys Colombians are not white."


What do you mean Colombians are not white? 20% of Colombia is white, you schmuck.

"You want to talk to God? Let's go see him together, I've got nothing better to do."---Indiana Jones (Raiders of the Lost Ark)

poco says on Oct 25, 2007, 17:20:

Quote: racism is everywhere, or it's nowhere....depends.

You don't let your enemies close,, it's your friends you need to watch, especially in politics.

"Violence is the first refuge of the incompetent" - Isaac Asimov

slguy says on Oct 25, 2007, 18:25:

"What do you mean Colombians are not white? 20% of Colombia is white, you schmuck."

Ummmm....that means 80% aren't, right? Pretty accurate generalization, seems to me - "schmuck" or not.

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

Simon says on Oct 25, 2007, 18:35:

"Ummmm....that means 80% aren't, right? Pretty accurate generalization, seems to me - "schmuck" or not."


The way he said it, it sounded to me as if he meant that Colombians 'couldn't' be white, which is poppycock.

"You want to talk to God? Let's go see him together, I've got nothing better to do."---Indiana Jones (Raiders of the Lost Ark)

poco says on Oct 25, 2007, 19:55:

Quote: The way he said it, it sounded to me as if he meant that Colombians 'couldn't' be white, which is poppycock.

CIA factbook:
mestizo 58%,
white 20%,
mulatto 14%,
black 4%,
mixed black-Amerindian 3%,
Amerindian 1%

Those that can eliminate a world conspiracy theory can look in the mirror to identify the culprit.

"Violence is the first refuge of the incompetent" - Isaac Asimov

manINred says on Oct 25, 2007, 20:20:

I found racism towards blacks to be more predominant in the indigenous Ecuador. Racism towards Indigenous was much more predominant in the whiter Medellin.

As a white dude at my (ghetto) Toronto highschool, I was the minority, an interesting experience, but no racism towards me, thankfully.

manINred says on Oct 25, 2007, 20:21:

Some of my friends from Medellin are racist without even knowing it. They will use being indigenous as an insult, and get confused when I point out the fact that they are being racist.

slguy says on Oct 25, 2007, 20:30:

poppycock? schmuck? Ummmmmm - where's a good colombiano coming up with these terms, Simon? ;) Careful - you're being pretty revealing!

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

manINred says on Oct 25, 2007, 20:41:

Perhaps they should elect a black president in Colombia... that will rid the country of racism!!!

They've already done it in Britain and the US

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3rZcwN5JYg

:)

viajero says on Oct 25, 2007, 22:05:

There is racism all over the world even in dominican republic where the majority of the population is black, yet blacks are discriminated against by the whiter folks. The small white minority controls the majority of wealth and power in this island. There are places in santiago / santo domingo where blacks can't enter.
Now talking about Colombia, I see hardly any difference. Its the same almost all over latin america.
Now let me make a correction. I live in dominican republic and I have also traveled to colombia (2 times), I have gone from Bogota, to bucaramanga to cartagena. I do not think white expats are getting any better chocha there then they are getting in dominican republic. majority of them are still doing putas, cueros or simply put, cucharachas. This is what I saw with my own eyes in bogota and in the coast. I can imagine there must be some expats who are with finer women, but the ones I saw, were with cucarachas. Shame to see how tourists always seem to end up in the same gutter anywhere they go.

Now I am not white, I was born in Pakistan but I grew up in USA. I try to dress properly and try to speak professionaly. I was not going to go to colombia to hook with with girls in bars so I did my homework before hand. I met the girls on internet and already softened them up before I even got there. I traveled via buses all over the country and met people everywhere who treated me nice. People in Bus talked to me and everywhere I went. The girls were fine too and I didn't feel any discrimination towards myself. One was rich girl from north bogota and she was a university student, a total pure rubia with extremely perfect speech skills. the other was a lawyer and also very well presentable, the 3rd was a model type but also university student and very smart. She is also a rubia. So there you have it, I was treated well, taken all over their respective cities of residence. I had more chocha than I could handle and it only cost me food and taxi money. Non of the girls are hookers or even putas. They are all good girls from nice families. If I post their pictures, I think some of you guys would have your jaws drop.
My next trip will be in medellin and cali. I am expecting even more fun there.
So if anyone is concerned about racism against indians or pakistanis, forget about it man.
All good there for us.
Viajero

Desideria (Moderator) says on Oct 25, 2007, 22:16:

Oops, we better warn those unsuspecting caleñas and paisas.....

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

robi666 says on Oct 25, 2007, 22:22:

LOL... Jesus, we reached the bottom level of PBH...

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

Buongone says on Oct 25, 2007, 23:22:

Yo Elmo, you mean to tell me that the world traveler that you are, you cannot strike up a conversation with a nice chica sitting next to you on a airplane? Por Que?

goin_south says on Oct 25, 2007, 23:31:

I have no idea why a darker skinned person wants to be such borring-assed white ;)

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

goin_south says on Oct 25, 2007, 23:31:

funny flick, manINred.

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

miamimike says on Oct 26, 2007, 04:38:

Kat- see your Boyfriend who is in need of a Complete Dental makeover has surfaced again in Elmo's Post,,,He missed you...LOL

Cubans are extremely Racist, both on the Island and here in Miami. Here in Miami, no self respecting Black Cuban would live in Little Habana or Hialeah asthey all head for Miami Beach once they land here,,,

Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." GW Bush

morphus says on Oct 26, 2007, 04:45:

"What do you mean Colombians are not white? 20% of Colombia is white, you schmuck"

But they are not aryan white like Hitler's envisioned "master race" :)

elmodefoque says on Oct 26, 2007, 05:05:

"Yo Elmo, you mean to tell me that the world traveler that you are, you cannot strike up a conversation with a nice chica sitting next to you on a airplane? Por Que?" bugonone


I’m glad you asked me that. I’ll be brief.
Most times I travel to Colombia alone, my kids have never been there and due to work schedule I always end up waiting for my wify there.
Of course I had many many people sitting next to me and a number of women traveling alone too. I read about all these gringos meeting broads in the plane, airport and all over fokin Colombia and all that chit.
I says to myself. “Hey self, how come I’ve never met anyone or had a conversation with any broad in or heading to Colombia. Why?‿ are you some fokin repulsive schmuck, do I stink like a Spaniard? I don’t think so cus I had plenty of conversation during my many 2 and half hours flights to Miami.
Anyway, this very looking cachaca broad mid thirties, the types that would look OK after a couple six packs a bottle of aguardiente, sat next to me on the long ass 6 hours flight to Bogotá. She completely ignored me, she made it very obvious that she did not want to be bother, so I didn’t even turn to look at that bitch for six fokin hours.
Many cachacas dislike dark costeños and fortunately I look like one from a mile away, now if the modefoque sitting next to her was a gringo she’ll have her legs spread wide open form the moment the plane took off.
Let me tell you something, I’ve dated the most beautiful women in NYC and that piece of ugly chit is only good for cleaning my beautiful ex gringas house in Wilton Ct. for her to be treating me like that.
Thank you!!!

Colombiche says on Oct 26, 2007, 05:06:

"Perhaps they should elect a black president in Colombia... that will rid the country of racism!!!

They've already done it in Britain and the US"

Ha ha ha, good one ManinRed. Maybe elmo can try running for president of the US, I am very sure that the color blind american people would vote a spic into office in a heartbeat.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

Colombiche says on Oct 26, 2007, 05:08:

BTW, what "ghetto" toronto highschool did u attend?

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

morphus says on Oct 26, 2007, 05:13:

Thats why its good to eat some chicharrons and get really drunk before you get on the plane. Burp and let out some beer farts for the snobby Colombians. That'll fix them.

gringolondinense says on Oct 26, 2007, 05:14:

All high schools are ghettos in toronto.

Colombiche says on Oct 26, 2007, 05:20:

ooohh the superior aryan race, noble lineage lol:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20071025/sc_afp/scienceneanderthalsus

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

Colombiche says on Oct 26, 2007, 05:25:

"the US has put many more minorities into top level positions than Colombia has. That you can bank on. We have a black running for President, if he wasn't on the wrong side of so many issues he could be elected I am sure of that."

I don't. I also don't believe a woman will get voted into power.

The US has some very liberal enclaves, but it also still has a lot of cracker land. There are parts of the US where non-whites still have to watch their backs. I remember once having a pretty uncomfortable experience in the sticks of Florida.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

elmodefoque says on Oct 26, 2007, 05:26:

My first trips back home (early 70’s) I was so fokin naïve, I thought I was gonna be with my people, get on that plane and make friends, boy did I get a rude awakening. Soon, I found out I was not in Kansas anymore.
I’ve gotten used to hanging around in NYC where every one wanted to meet me and be my friend and girls were giving me free chucha just because I looked injun and was friendly and played great freesbe and had good dope.
Boy, when I got to Colombia I found out, here I was just another fokin unwanted indio pelo e burra.
I did not return for almost 15 years after that.

morphus says on Oct 26, 2007, 05:29:

LOL...and scientists are still saying Europeans are'nt related to neanderthals. Red hair, pale skin and pointed noses are huge evidence to me.

morphus says on Oct 26, 2007, 05:30:

LOL...and scientists are still saying Europeans are'nt related to neanderthals. Red hair, pale skin and pointed noses are huge evidence to me.

Plato says on Oct 26, 2007, 05:39:

I wrote this from a thread last year,

“Do Colombian comics also insult their black audience members?" November 24, 2006.

(Check the archives)

Civil Rights Act of 1964 I mentioned this before in another thread: Colombia did not have a Rosa Parks, Dr. Martin Luther King, and a Civil Rights movement in the 1960s. If it had, racist talk and jokes wouldn't be as casual as it is among Colombians. In short, there hasn't been a social event in Colombia's history to call the matter out on the carpet. The matter is about human dignity after all.

Plato

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those [liberals] who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.--Dante Alighieri, (1265-1321)

john_stark says on Oct 26, 2007, 06:03:

RussianFred is right. You can have a Colombian who looks white and probably considers himself white but if he looks at all Hispanic he will not be considered white. On the other hand, who cares.

dwmte7 says on Oct 26, 2007, 06:11:

G Dead....you've cornered me on that one. i just asked my wife and she hasn't heard of it either. i'm assuming you're referencing medellin...yes?

dw

dwmte

john_stark says on Oct 26, 2007, 06:23:

Caribe is a barrio just west of the Botanical Garden next to Progreso. The Universidad de Antioquia and the Universidad Nacional are over there. I've been in much worse places than Caribe. Of course I've also been in better places too. Are you going to be with someone?

eywed says on Oct 26, 2007, 08:02:

Ahhhhhhhh there you go," who cares" , find folks you like and who like you and go on with your life. No time to dwell on stupid people.

Ay Hombe!!!!!

Grateful Dead says on Oct 26, 2007, 09:32:

G Dead....you've cornered me on that one. i just asked my wife and she hasn't heard of it either. i'm assuming you're referencing medellin...yes?

Yes

john_stark says on Oct 26, 2007, 11:00:

I already told you where it is and that it will be fine if you're with someone.

Grateful Dead says on Oct 26, 2007, 11:03:

"I already told you where it is and that it will be fine if you're with someone."


oh shoot I totally missed it, sorry ,

manINred says on Oct 26, 2007, 11:16:

Thanks!

Well, it wasn't ghetto per se, but it certainly has its incidents that made me wonder... my first day there I was greeted by police tape and a whole area of the school was cordoned off because of a stabbing and threatening behaviour with a gun. My brother who still attends recently had the misfortune to stumble upon some poor dude who was clutching a stab wound in the halls. There was subsequently a lock-down. So its incidents like those that give the school a poor rep. I liked it. Vic Park. It was worth the daily trek though. Which was yours?

alezzz says on Oct 26, 2007, 12:09:

"free chucha" LOL

---Music is the strongest form of magic.---

Man Tequila says on Oct 26, 2007, 12:28:

Canada had a black Lieutenant-Governor in 1985, Lincoln Alexander.

I saw lots of racism in Colombia and have discussed it here before. It always seems to be white guys who say "you can use terms like gordito and negrito in Colombia and no one takes offense". This may often be true, but I wouldn't be asking the white, skinny guy if it is true. Nor is it my job to dictate culture. But if a black costeno can't get a job in Medellin because he is assumed to be lazy and crass, I wonder if being called "este negrito" stings and is more than a little mamar gallo.

pues se me antoja que sus cantares son de una tierra desconocida, y yo le dije si a usted le inspira, saber la tierra de donde soy... con mucho gusto y a mucho honor...

JR says on Oct 26, 2007, 13:14:

Racism in Manizales Colombiche? I would say yes in Medellin, but my experiences in Manizales haven't been too bad. I'm mixed race and didn't feel like folks were treating me differently. My girlfriend is from Manizales and much lighter than me too. Of course, haven't met her folks/family yet so we'll see. lol!

Simon says on Oct 26, 2007, 13:49:

"poppycock? schmuck? Ummmmmm - where's a good colombiano coming up with these terms, Simon? ;) Careful - you're being pretty revealing"


Slguy,

Are you insinuating that I can't be Colombian because I'm proficient in english? That's pretty condescending!

I'll have you know that perhaps the three most articulate posters on this whole board (Juancegomez, Sr. Tertius, and Colombiche) are all also born and raised in Colombia!!

"You want to talk to God? Let's go see him together, I've got nothing better to do."---Indiana Jones (Raiders of the Lost Ark)

goin_south says on Oct 26, 2007, 14:34:

ho-humh.. another brilliant pbh thread about RACE ;)
Well. yeah... JUAN PABLO MONTOYA IS A RACIST, ISN'T HE?

waiting for Gomezman5 to bust through the doors here, to follow my sentiment.... "Well, I can see why I have been brilliantly avoiding entrance through the dumbwit doors of poorbuthappy! another ladidaadddaaadidaaa....

If it can have been said anywhere about racism, it's been said here on pbh a thousand times.... DO WE GET SOME EXTRA CREDIT FOR SOCIOLOGY CLASS FOR WADING THROUGH THIS? lol

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

slguy says on Oct 26, 2007, 14:35:

Simon, Simon. How can one guy be sooooo f'ing defensive?

I was NOT insulting your english, you schmuck. I was only noting that NEVER in my life have I heard anyone use "poppycock" before, in a serious way. And I'm 52 years old.

In fact, it was more a compliment to you than any bad insinuation. Obviously, I forgot for a moment how friggin' touchy you are. It won't happen again.

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

robi666 says on Oct 26, 2007, 14:39:

"And I'm 52 years old"
Time to drop your anchor and settle down, slguy... :-)

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

dwmte7 says on Oct 26, 2007, 15:21:

heh, speaking of gomezman....where is he, and platano and colombiano x. my buddies on site for--ooooff---muchos anos.

dwmte

Desideria (Moderator) says on Oct 26, 2007, 16:20:

Yeah, where's gomezman?
Colombianox has been gone for a long while now, but platano is contributing on Cblog.

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Leeroy says on Oct 26, 2007, 17:22:

Oh come on.

Colombians rate white skin more than dark skin?

Duh...

Just like most world cultures... Fine, it shouldn't be like that - but it is. No vale la pena discutirlo tanto.

RussianFred says on Oct 26, 2007, 18:04:

Simon, I am sorry but you are not white. I understand you want to be white but Americans do not consider a Colombians white. They are "spics" I personally do not feel this way but this is reality.

Annual Drug Deaths: Tobacco: 395,000, Alcohol: 125,000, 'Legal' Drugs: 38,000, Illegal Drug Overdoses: 5,200, Marijuana: 0. Considering government subsidies of tobacco, just what is our government protecting us from in the drug war?--Ralph Nader

RussianFred says on Oct 26, 2007, 18:14:

I am sorry for using the word "spic" but this is reality. When they come to the land with the golden street they will be face with reality. I think they watch to much MTV Cribs, and "E". American do not live like that! Shit I am wealthy and I can not live like that!

Colombians will never be white. I do not care what the CIA report say.

Annual Drug Deaths: Tobacco: 395,000, Alcohol: 125,000, 'Legal' Drugs: 38,000, Illegal Drug Overdoses: 5,200, Marijuana: 0. Considering government subsidies of tobacco, just what is our government protecting us from in the drug war?--Ralph Nader

Leeroy says on Oct 26, 2007, 18:19:

"Colombians will never be white."

Well, the majority.

I know a few Colombians who could easily pass (in a photo) for being Scandinavian.

RussianFred says on Oct 26, 2007, 18:22:

That's true as long as they do not open their mouth!!

Annual Drug Deaths: Tobacco: 395,000, Alcohol: 125,000, 'Legal' Drugs: 38,000, Illegal Drug Overdoses: 5,200, Marijuana: 0. Considering government subsidies of tobacco, just what is our government protecting us from in the drug war?--Ralph Nader

Miguel says on Oct 26, 2007, 18:26:

alezzz escribió "free chucha" LOL

Tienes razón, hermano. No hay free chucha.

Leeroy says on Oct 26, 2007, 18:29:

I honestly believe that chucha not being free is one of the main keys to the development of civilisation. Seriously.

Tinto (Moderator) says on Oct 26, 2007, 18:31:

So... Here we have Russian Fred telling Colombians how they are characterized by Americans. Something is wrong with this picture.

Miguel says on Oct 26, 2007, 18:44:

So I entered my comment, it appeared as a double post and I took the opportunity to edit the second one to advise Peter that double posts occur frequently, and then I got this:
"This seems to be a problem."

¡aja!

Simon says on Oct 26, 2007, 19:07:

RussianFred,


So a blonde, pale and blue/green eyed Colombian is not white? You seem to be pretty ignorant about Colombians.

"You want to talk to God? Let's go see him together, I've got nothing better to do."---Indiana Jones (Raiders of the Lost Ark)

RussianFred says on Oct 26, 2007, 19:12:

I have lived in the USA for over 40 years. Colombians might be racist but when they get to America they will be traeted worst than the black man if they do not speak english. I respect Colombians they treat foreignors much better than American do. I am just being real they better stay in Spanish Harlem or litlle Havanna.

Annual Drug Deaths: Tobacco: 395,000, Alcohol: 125,000, 'Legal' Drugs: 38,000, Illegal Drug Overdoses: 5,200, Marijuana: 0. Considering government subsidies of tobacco, just what is our government protecting us from in the drug war?--Ralph Nader

RussianFred says on Oct 26, 2007, 19:14:

Simon, with that me-da, me-da shit ,, NO NO NO
With all due respect!!!!

Annual Drug Deaths: Tobacco: 395,000, Alcohol: 125,000, 'Legal' Drugs: 38,000, Illegal Drug Overdoses: 5,200, Marijuana: 0. Considering government subsidies of tobacco, just what is our government protecting us from in the drug war?--Ralph Nader

Leeroy says on Oct 26, 2007, 19:14:

How about if they can't spell?

manINred says on Oct 26, 2007, 19:14:

I saw this red-headed girl who i was positive was Irish. Only when she opened her mouth did I realize that she was 100% paisa. This was in Quindio. There are many Colombians who are ethnically 100% 'white': blonde, redhead, brunette, etc...!