Psicko...

paisa29 says on Oct 6, 2008, 17:36:

Había un corto en you tube pero parece que ya no está disponible.

"Fill the earth with the light and warmth of hospitality" Conrad Hilton

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rocinante says on Oct 6, 2008, 17:58:

Tengo muchas ganas de verla también. Si la encuentras me puedes mandar un correo porfa? Gracias!

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Not that the US president actually runs the US." Feb 5, 2008

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Man Tequila says on Oct 6, 2008, 21:40:

Estoy sorprendido que esta pelí no sea disponsible en Colombia. Si es vale la pena, posiblamente Sicko sea online si Google la titula y "warez".

El "trailer" está aquí: http://www.michaelmoore.com/sicko/trailer/

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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Tejeringo says on Oct 6, 2008, 22:05:

http://vagos.wamba.com/showthread.php?t=330499&highlight=sicko

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paisa29 says on Oct 7, 2008, 05:39:

Sorry, the title is without "P" it´s just... SICKO.
It seems it´s not possible to edit the thread title.

"Fill the earth with the light and warmth of hospitality" Conrad Hilton

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paisa29 says on Oct 7, 2008, 05:46:

Mantequila... gracias pero igual me gustaría verlo completo.

Tejeringo... thanks but it´s not working.

"Fill the earth with the light and warmth of hospitality" Conrad Hilton

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paisa29 says on Oct 7, 2008, 05:59:

morphus... no puedo ver lo que colocaste,por bloqueo del administrador del sistema aquí en la oficina, tienes algún link?

"Fill the earth with the light and warmth of hospitality" Conrad Hilton

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ujay says on Oct 7, 2008, 08:30:

In 2009 the government will start killing

all the mentally ill people.

I started crying when I thought of you.

Run little friend, run!




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Please select from the following options menu:

If you are obsessive-compulsive, press 1 repeatedly.

If you are co-dependent, please ask someone to press 2 for you.

If you have multiple personalities, press 3, 4, 5 and 6.

If you are paranoid, we know who you are and what you want,

stay on the line so we can trace your call.

If you are delusional, press 7 and

your call will be forwarded to the Mother Ship.

If you are schizophrenic, listen carefully

and a little voice will tell You which number to press.

If you are manic-depressive, hang up.

It doesn't matter which number you press,

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If you are dyslexic, press 9-6-9-6.

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or before the beep or after the beep.

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If you have low self-esteem, please hang up.

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If you are menopausal, put the gun down,

hang up, turn on the fan, lie down and cry.

You won't be crazy forever.

If you are blonde, don't press any buttons.


You'll just mess it up.

This coming week is

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to contact at least

one unstable person to show you care.

(Well, my job is done . Your turn!!)

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Tejeringo says on Oct 7, 2008, 10:05:

Paisa29, go to www.vagos.es

- register (its free)

and search for SICKO in Movies.

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paisa29 says on Oct 7, 2008, 13:00:

Gracias... I bet it works but I am not able to watch it.
It requires a (RAR) file or something like that and I am not allowed to download it here.
thanks anyway.

"Fill the earth with the light and warmth of hospitality" Conrad Hilton

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Mononoke28 says on Oct 7, 2008, 13:38:

I saw this a few months ago and loved it. I love the way he shows how messed up health insurance is here in the US and how it should be given to anyone who needs it, regardless of age and economic status. I also knew that Canada had free universal health insurance but I was really blown away by the health insurance plans of England and France. It really showed how behind and horrilbe our health insurance system is here in the US.

I highly recommend it.

Diana

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tomtom33 says on Oct 7, 2008, 13:47:

Unfortunately nothing is free, including medical care. As far as I know, medical care is pretty messed up everywhere. There is no perfect template.

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Mononoke28 says on Oct 7, 2008, 13:49:

Well, this may not be true as I've never been but he went around clinics and hospitals in Canada and England and they all said they had no co-pays and didn't even have to pay for giving birth. It may come out from tax money but still, they're getting it. Here in the US you can expect to pay at least $15k-$25k just to give birth to one HEALTHY baby. If the baby is born with complications, you're screwed.

Diana

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tomtom33 says on Oct 7, 2008, 14:17:

And if you are covered by insurance in the US, the bill can be quite small.

Ask Rubito about the great Canadian system. The mere fact that there are no co-pays does not a great system make. How long must you wait for procedures?

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Mongo says on Oct 7, 2008, 14:36:

Mononoke28 says on Oct 7, 2008, 13:49 (today): flag

"Well, this may not be true as I've never been but he went around clinics and hospitals in Canada and England and they all said they had no co-pays and didn't even have to pay for giving birth. It may come out from tax money but still, they're getting it. Here in the US you can expect to pay at least $15k-$25k just to give birth to one HEALTHY baby. If the baby is born with complications, you're screwed."

And why shouldn't the person who's having the baby pay for it? Its THEIR baby? Why should I pay for it through my taxes? Why should I work hard and make money only to have the government take it to pay for other peoples sicknesses, many of which are avoidable! I work hard to eat healthy and I work out every day. Why should I have to pay for a bunch of fat people, and people who smoke when they get sick? They are the vast majority of people in hospitals. And its not just the U.S, so don't even say that. I just read an article that in the U.K. 75% of the people are overweight and in China 30% of people smoke. It seems to be human nature for people not to take care of themselves all over the world. People will have a harder time learning to take care of themselves if they don't even have to pay for their mistakes!

Monoke 28, I'm not ranting at you, I'm just tired of reading on PBH how healthcare in all these other countries is so much better than the U.S. because it is "FREE." Its not free! Just think about it and make the corelation. Its just a way of making the people who try the hardest and are the most capable pay for those who are the laziest and least capable.

How is that going to benefit humanity? How are people supposed to evolve? How is that FAIR? Its definitely not free!!

Beware of dog.

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Man Tequila says on Oct 7, 2008, 15:17:

Health care in Canada is not free, it is the biggest government expense. Knowing the system well, I think it does an okay job. It has too much management and not enough coordination, too few doctors and nurses, not enough access to imaging, overlong wait times to see many specialists and for many procedures and overexpensive generic drugs. It is hard to get things done urgently (as opposed to emergently), but things that need to be done quickly usually are.

People do a poor job of making healthy decisions and are sometimes quick to blame others who bail them out. I prefer the Canadian system to the US one, which encourages many tests that are not really needed, and does worse when looking at concrete results. But there are many things that need fixing, and the public is largely unaware of the real problems. Rubito's opinions are different from mine, of course, and from many other people.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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Man Tequila says on Oct 7, 2008, 15:22:

Thanks, Morphus.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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Mononoke28 says on Oct 7, 2008, 15:29:

Mongo,

I never take anything personal and that's what forums are for, to express your opinions.

I kiiiiiiiiiiind of agree with you but I don't. First of all, I didn't say the US was the only country with a messed up health insurance system. I said it's horrible, because... it is.

And the way I see it is I don't mind paying more taxes to help others have some sort of health insurance. There are 80 million people out there without health insurance right now for whatever reasons and up until this year, I was one of them. It's not fun.

Also, there are many people without health insurance not because they're lazy, that's an unfair generalizatin, but many of them can't afford it. My mom is one of them. She had to quit her old job for very valid personal reasons and she's only 59. Now she has to work the graveyard shift at Wal-Mart just so she can have a kind of decent health insurance. So she still has at least 6 more years to go before Medicare can kick in and once it does, she's not fully covered. There are others who are either self employed or work freelance and are not approved because most insurance companies have come up with a list of "pre-existing" conditions which do not make them qualified for having health insurance. There was a lady on that documentary who was in a car accident, the ambulance picked her up and brought her to the hospital. Her insurance company denied the coverage for the ambulance because it wasn't pre-approved. Now that's messed up. The list goes on and on.

Diana

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rocinante says on Oct 7, 2008, 17:09:

Mongo with that argument why should I have paid for libraries, crossing guards, bussing systems, teachers pensions and into the education system as a whole when I have no kids in the US?

Why should I have to pay for your children's public school education?

Yet people with kids get a tax write off. You should pay more, yes? So using your line of thinking if you have kids, you should pay a significant tax penalty and no write off. And someone like me should get the "no kids" write off. Using your logic of course.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Not that the US president actually runs the US." Feb 5, 2008

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btwells72 says on Oct 7, 2008, 18:26:

Free healthcare??? Nevermind that. We have to use taxpayer money for important things... like $700 billion to bail out failed credit markets and Wall Street.

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Mongo says on Oct 7, 2008, 18:28:

Monoke28 and roci, You both make some very valid points. And roci, I don't have kids, and if I did, I would not send them to public school here in North Carolina.

I just think that socialized medicine negates personal responsibility to a large extent. Like I said before, I take care of myself and would very much resent those who do not take care of themselves, if healthcare is nationalized. Michael Moore is a prime example of the kind of person who I do not want to have to pay medical bills for.

Mononoke28, I don't have health insurance myself. I think its a scam. Its a business, so its going to make money. If I pay into it regularly, the odds are against that I will ever get more out of it than I put in. If most people got more out then they put in, those companies would be out of business (or the federal government would have to bail them out!). Its the same thing with nationalized healthcare. The vast majority of people are going to be putting in more than they ever get back. That's the only way it can work. I have an account where I save money regularly for these expenses, if they are needed. I believe that in the long-run I can do better managing this money myself, and more importantly, I believe in self-reliance.

Beware of dog.

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rocinante says on Oct 7, 2008, 18:37:

" And roci, I don't have kids, and if I did, I would not send them to public school here in North Carolina. " – mongo

I didn't mean you personally but using your logic and not your personal views of the school system in your backyard, taxpayers should pay on an itemized basis. I can see the logic in that but you have to apply that across the board and not to just what suits you.

I had private health insurance a few years ago and stayed in plan. Had a umbilical hernia removed and upper GI endoscopy. I cancelled my insurance shortly there after and obviously the insurance company lost on me.

They sent a letter a few months later stating that something wasn't covered (yeah right - I would not have had the two elective procedures done had that been the case - everything was preapproved by the insurance company themselves!) and they claimed that I now owed them some crazy amount of money.

So now I am hiding out in Medellín....

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Not that the US president actually runs the US." Feb 5, 2008

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Mongo says on Oct 7, 2008, 19:30:

Wow, see what I mean....smart people like you can beat the odds!

Roci, what are you doing now about healthcare in Colombia? I have heard that the insurance is a lot cheaper there and the care is excellent. Is that true?

Beware of dog.

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Mongo says on Oct 7, 2008, 19:34:

Oh, and roci, I do understand your point about my logic on the public school system. The public school system has also been somewhat of a boondoogle in my opinion, but we'll talk about that another time since its off-topic here. It is a good parallel to nationalized healthcare though, so I see your point.

Beware of dog.

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rocinante says on Oct 7, 2008, 19:46:

Thanks mongo. The insurance company in the US was out of line and basically just taking a shot to see if I would pay. They had nothing to lose. Some people just write checks everytime they get a bill from an insurance comany and some of these companies get double paid.

From what I hear the healthcare here is awesome. I have not used it but I do have the Coomeva Gold plan which was recommended by a doctor. They pretty much cover everything.

Like I always say life is too short to skimp on doctors and lawyers (and accountants if you have money/buniness).

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Not that the US president actually runs the US." Feb 5, 2008

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Mongo says on Oct 7, 2008, 20:06:

My novia, who lives in Armenia, has some type of Gold plan like that. She said that her plan would cover me as well, when I am visiting her. That sounded a little strange to me, but she's a lawyer, and much more intelligent than I am, so she's probably correct.

I say that life is to short NOT to skimp on doctors and lawyers...hahahaha! That's why I'm dating a lawyer...J/K!

Beware of dog.

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Man Tequila says on Oct 7, 2008, 20:16:

Most people could do much more to take better care of themselves. This is true of any country, including those where most people have insurance. I think the term "socialist medicine" is misleading, having general medical coverage is no more socialist than having general education covered -- and both of these things have enormous benefits to the population and to business, in my view. Having work pay for health insurance, and pay a lot -- losing insurance if you change jobs ... what does that say about personal responsibility?

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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rocinante says on Oct 8, 2008, 05:06:

ManT how true the correlation between education and a level of healthcare being covered by taxes.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Not that the US president actually runs the US." Feb 5, 2008

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paisa29 says on Oct 8, 2008, 06:00:

Thanks morphus...

Después de ver esto, ya entiendo porque tanto gringos vienen a Colombia para atención médica.

"Fill the earth with the light and warmth of hospitality" Conrad Hilton

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paisa29 says on Oct 8, 2008, 14:04:

Que bueno que en Colombia se pudiera tener un sistema de salud como el de Cuba

"Fill the earth with the light and warmth of hospitality" Conrad Hilton

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tomtom33 says on Oct 8, 2008, 14:22:

Be careful what you wish for.

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Mononoke28 says on Oct 8, 2008, 15:36:

Mongo says on Oct 7, 2008, 18:28: flag
Mononoke28, I don't have health insurance myself. I think its a scam. Its a business, so its going to make money.
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I totally agree with you and if I could afford it, I would do the same thing. But then again, my dad died of multiple myeloma (bone marrow cancer) and he was hospitalized 4 times in 5 months. Each bill was over $60k, so a total of $240k and I'm not even counting the bills from his chemo and radiation, those were astronomical as well. Good thing he had insurance because there is no way we would've saved up that much for his hospital bills.

So, that's when you stop and think of how messed up our health system is. What about those poor people who can't afford insurance and are hit with all kinds of cancers, heart attacks, car accidents? It's a humongous issue that needs to be addressed by our government ASAP.

Diana

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houstongal says on Oct 8, 2008, 15:42:

And Diana makes a good point Mongo. Your plan may work just fine if you don't have a catastropic illness or accident. A major car accident could cost you much more than you budgeted in your savings.

I'm grateful I have a excellent coverage through an employer at a reasonable cost.

"It is now official: there's no place on earth where you will not find a Peruvian band." David Sedaris

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gatogris says on Oct 8, 2008, 16:56:

"I like paying taxes. They buy me civilization." like the man said.

Tax paying is both a necessary and sufficient cause that accounts for much of the developed world's high Human Development Indices.

Every credible report on Latin American economic health since the 1960s has stressed tax reform, including those generated by Milton's freewheelin Chicago Boys.

The US has largely been an outlier in the developed world when it comes to taxation and its relation to social services like health care. In the US, health care has historically been seen as a commodity rather than a right. As the most powerful demographic in the US becomes increasingly infirm, this may change.

Furthermore, the US, particularly in the last 30 years or so, has emphasized the growth of individual spending power and has increasingly leaned towards the privatization of services such as education, health, and in some communities, even infrastructure over the development of state capacity to run these services.

The problem with this may turn out to be that states, for all their problems, when properly strengthened, tend to be enduring, whereas personal spending power, as the events of the past week have certainly underlined, can be a very unstable thing.

Good luck trying to replace a hip on those dividends now Granny! Better just pop a couple of Oxycontin and pour yourself a double. Maybe the TV can watch your kids there Brianna, because nanny state certainly ain't around to help with day care - Reagan sent that wench a-packin years ago! Ya better holla at yer boys there Jethro since ya lost yer house, cause we done sold all the public housing to developers, and here's the kicker yer really gonna luv - we made YOU vote for it you pig-ignorant stooge, har de har har.

Food prices are going way up, but too bad the chickens coming home to roost aren't the kind you can eat...

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paisa29 says on Oct 9, 2008, 05:39:

tomtom33.... no me refiero a polticia o a un partido especificamente, simplemente es una idea que ha funcionado en otros paises con buenos resultados.

Ojala en el mundo no fueramos tan individualistas y nos preocuparamos mas por el bien común.

"Fill the earth with the light and warmth of hospitality" Conrad Hilton

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tomtom33 says on Oct 9, 2008, 06:34:

I have spent time in Cuba. Given the condition of the infrastructure in general, I am very glad that I did not have to sample the medical facilities first hand.

I am all for the common good and universal access to health care, but I simply don't believe that Cuba is a very good example of anything.

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Mononoke28 says on Oct 9, 2008, 13:24:

Oh noooo, Cuba has one of the best health systems in the world. Best doctors, best nurses. There's a bunch of people who actually go to Cuba to study medicine, because they're the best. And many people with cancer go there for their famous treatments. If you want to be sick in any country, then Cuba is the place to be.

Diana

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tomtom33 says on Oct 9, 2008, 13:33:

Where do they stay when they go there? I got food poisoning from Fidel's version of a 5-star hotel on the malecon in Havana. And I had one helluva time flushing the toilet.

Cuba actually made me sick, twice in 2 weeks.

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Robert Jorge says on Oct 9, 2008, 14:30:

Diana, you can't be serious?

He who farts in church, sits in his own pew.

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Mononoke28 says on Oct 9, 2008, 15:46:

I am. It's actually a well known fact. I'll see if I can find anything on the web tomorrow.

Diana

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tomtom33 says on Oct 10, 2008, 01:46:

I did manage to enjoy the favors of a few Cubanas while I was there. And I will admit that I did not "do" Cuba correctly. However, I don't think that I will ever try again. I couldn't wait to get the fuck out of there.

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ujay says on Oct 10, 2008, 01:47:

cuba is far and away better than the usa,and its free,you should watch sicko ,and see your firefighters who cant get care in the usa ,getting it in cuba.
health care in the usa sucks.its about making money ,and making it by not giving you the right care. Health Performance Rank By Country
colombia 22 ...usa 37,says it all.and israel is ahead as well ,must be using the 3 billion a year you send them.

Rank
1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America

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tomtom33 says on Oct 10, 2008, 02:00:

Free things are generally worth every penny you pay for them.

A listing of countries says exactly nothing. You have to link the source. Then we have to look at how the systems were ranked.

If I had a serious medical problem and I could travel, I would be on a plane to the US.

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tomtom33 says on Oct 10, 2008, 02:44:

One of the big things that Cubans have going for them is the inability of the State to provide any more than the bare minimum of food calories.

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ujay says on Oct 10, 2008, 08:05:

May be people come over ,but they pay cash ,not on a plan,
Its the plan I am on about ,you never know just what you are covered for ,and by the time you fill in all the details and they phone to make sure you are coved ,I have been seen ,done and gone home ,and your still waiting on a call back to say your coved,
And what's that about ,a guy cuts off 2 fingers ,but gets to the hospital ,and is told both can be put back on ,one is 12.000 the other is 60.000 ,the guy could only afford the 12.000 so he got a finger put on the other went in the bin ,great health care that,
In the UK ,they would not even ask ,they would just put the fingers back on ,cost nothing ,that's health care at its best.

http://www.jukelightning.com

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Robert Jorge says on Oct 12, 2008, 12:42:

It is very rare, almost unheard of, for a digit - finger - to be reattached after an amputation.

He who farts in church, sits in his own pew.

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ujay says on Oct 12, 2008, 12:47:

rob ,where in the usa ,

its done all the time in the uk,

but im waiting for the day they can reattach heads ,as most of us go with heart or some kind of body illness ,just put your head on a new one ,

http://www.jukelightning.com

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Robert Jorge says on Oct 12, 2008, 17:06:

Ujay, I am serious. I knew a guy who tore his pinky finger off at the big knuckle. It was a freak accident on a boat. Anyway, they kept the finger and rushed him to the ER. The doctor told him they don't reattach fingers. The doctor said it is hardly ever even attempted, and rarely successful when tried. The doctor said it just doesn't seem to work usually, and can be more risk than worth it. This wasn't a po-dunk little hospital either. It was a regional trauma center.

He who farts in church, sits in his own pew.

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ujay says on Oct 12, 2008, 17:09:

yes rob ,thats in the usa ,
look at the money they saved not doing it ,
thats what i say about the usa health ,they do the least they can to make more money.

http://www.jukelightning.com

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Robert Jorge says on Oct 12, 2008, 23:02:

Pretty good theory Ujay, but the kid was the son of one of the richest developers in Florida. His dad built a good chunk of the new condo towers and resorts in Panama City Beach. Money wasn't an issue.

He who farts in church, sits in his own pew.

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