Protests at the university of antioquia

jaramillo says on May 29, 2008, 15:23:

Brings back memories of my first year at U. de A. ('74). The idiots are still at it, as I can see. Truly makes you loose faith in youth. Not that I ever had much.

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tejasmarcos says on May 29, 2008, 16:05:

jajaja! sounds like an interesting ride mr. a! however, i am sure you are quite familiar with those dodgy areas behind the museum you speak of ;)

trying to walk a straight line on sour mash and cheap wine...

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LilaM says on May 29, 2008, 16:38:

If you live close to Universidad de Antioquia or close to Universidad Nacional... they are complaining bc they pay the tuition as low as $13.000 pesos each semester!!!! or bc, they have a huge campus or bc of nothing is too hard to make students from a public University happy!!!! that's the way they are.

"You may be disappointed if you fail, but you are doomed if you don´t try" B. Sills

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dwmte7 says on May 29, 2008, 17:51:

sounds like berkeley, all over again.

last time i was on the u of antioquia campus...around 98, the walls everywhere, even defacing art and mosaic, were covered with graffiti. mostly anti u.s. it was a bit touch and go. the atmosphere had detioriated considerably since my previous visits.

dwmte

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jh816 says on May 29, 2008, 18:05:

I had a few english students from U of A. They missed a huge amount of school because the STUDENTS were striking. Crazy. Basically, the government wants to privatize some of the public universities and the students went batshit. Couldn't believe it though. Students striking. Fine, don't want to go to class, then fail, but don't prohibit other students from attending.

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slguy says on May 29, 2008, 20:00:

sounds like to me a fair number of parents have overindulged their little princes/princesses...

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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karito says on May 29, 2008, 20:10:

Many things that you said can have sense, but who knows the true?????
I think they are really protesting because they have a real reason, and let me tell you, the public universities have the smartest students, so how can those students let the government make with them whatever they want.
Here is some Spanish information why they are protesting:

“Al colombiano que cree que en la universidad no hay clase, porque 'unos pocos no dejan estudiar' pues nadie le dijo por qué protestaban estos estudiantes.
¿Cómo ha sido la protesta?
- Por lo menos en Bogotá, no ha habido 'pedreas'.
-Ha habido marchas al estilo carnaval, 15.000 alumnos bailaban o iban disfrazados.
-Hemos rodeado la universidad nacional con velas.
-Los compañeros de artes han hecho pinturas muy bonitas por todo el campus en señal de protesta.
¿Quieres ver las fotos?

http://picasaweb.google.com/informartes/PropuestasCreativas

¿Por qué es la protesta en las Universidades Públicas?
Por el plan nacional de desarrollo, particularmente por el artículo 38. En este se estipula que las universidades tienen que asumir parcialmente su pasivo pensional.
¿y qué pasa?
Lo que sucede es que el pasivo pensional es demasiado dinero, billones de pesos.
¿Podría pagarlo?
La respuesta es no. Se repetiría el el caso de la Universidad del Atlántico, una universidad pública que está al borde de la quiebra hace años por la aplicación de un régimen similar ( ¿no lo sabías? y no es la única universidad pública que se está muriendo.... No lo sabías porque nunca sale en las noticias, debe ser que no quieren que lo sepas. )
Para pagarlo, la universidad tendría que aumentar las matrículas hasta en un 300%, dejar de investigar, contratar profesores más baratos y arrendar sus propios predios. y aun así no podría pagar la deuda que le generaría el asumir su pasivo pensional. Muchos no podrían pagar la matrícula, bajaría elnivel académico y la universidad se vendería hasta quebrarse.
Otros motivos de protesta....
hace poco el congreso aprobó otros artículos de este plan, uno dice que los egresados de universidades públicas tendrán que pagar, después dehaberse graduado , 15 años más por haberse educado ahí.
Otro artículo problemático, dice que las carreras en las universidades públicas tienen que responder a las necesidades del mercado. Es decir,lo que no tenga utilidad inmediata se suprime. (como lo q quieren hacer con Bellas Artes en Cali)
De nada le sirve al país la investigación, según este concepto, ni las ciencias humanas, ni mucho menos las artes.
¿Para qué filósofos? ¿Para qué matemáticos?, ¿para qué músicos? , según ellos, para nada.
Sólo sirve lo que haga falta, el país no puede innovar, tiene que satisfacer sus necesidades inmediatas, se educa gente para que pueda comer y ya,quieren que Colombia no deje de ser un país subdesarrollado. Aquí no existirá ni el conocimiento ni la investigación , eso le corresponde a los países desarrollados que invierten en esto y que cada vez se vuelven más ricos por estar a la vanguardia en el conocimiento.
En resumidas cuentas...
las universidades públicas protestan porque:
-el plan nacional de desarrollo pretende imponer les una deuda que no les corresponde y que no pueden pagar. Una deuda que las llevará a la quiebra.
- los que puedan graduarse de lo que queda de universidad tendrán que seguir pagando por un periodo largo de su vida.
-las nuevas generaciones no podrán escoger entre un amplio número de programas sino entre los que el gobierno crea que el país necesita a cortísimo plazo.
¿No nos crees? ¿Aun crees que protestamos porque no queremos clase?
Pues léelo aquí, es verdad:
- http://www.rcn.com.co/noticia.php3?nt=19197

Practicing English... sorry for the mistakes..........Amar es arriesgarse a que no le quieran. Esperar es arriesgarse a sentir dolor. Intentar es arriesgarse a fracasar. Pero hay que arriesgarse. Porque lo más peligroso en esta vida es no arriesgar nada

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LilaM says on May 29, 2008, 20:35:

Karito .... " Al colombiano que cree que en la universidad no hay clase, porque 'unos pocos no dejan estudiar' pues nadie le dijo por qué protestaban estos estudiantes.
¿Cómo ha sido la protesta?
- Por lo menos en Bogotá, no ha habido 'pedreas'"

I think you didn't watch the news today at Pedagógica University, they where exploding acid bombs!!! mmmm that's a nice way to protest.... Half of Bogotá went to the Anti Farc Marches and we didn't see any bombs or bad manners there, that's a weird article that you mentioned... there are a lot different ways to protest and the most common way from the public universities are related with bombs, policemen wounded and broken windows...

"You may be disappointed if you fail, but you are doomed if you don´t try" B. Sills

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slguy says on May 29, 2008, 20:47:

it's true, lila? 13,000 pesos per semester?

jesus christ! i understand the student protests then! let's see, if the cost tripled, that would mean, ummm...40,000 pesos per semester, more or less?? holy shit!! at 1750 per, the cost would surely exclude LOTS of kids. how much is that? 23 bucks?

i'll think i'll stick to my earlier-stated opinion, karito -but thanks for the info.

any university student that can't find a way to come up with 46 dollars a year for a university education prolly lacks enough brain cells to deserve one, anyway.

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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karito says on May 29, 2008, 22:08:

slguy you have all the reason when you say in a sarcastic way:

“if the cost tripled, that would mean, ummm...40,000 pesos per semestre�

but that isn’t mean that. That means the students need to pay the REAL cost per their careers and you know what means for a person who lives in estrato 1,2,3, inclusive 4 to pay 2 millions or more per semester????

The article say:
“hace poco el congreso aprobó otros artículos de este plan, uno dice que los egresados de universidades públicas tendrán que pagar, después de haberse graduado , 15 años más por haberse educado ahí.�

Is that fair? When all of us pay our taxes and companies are obligated to pay some percent for the Colombia Education???

And LilaM I’m not part of this protest but some times people need to do different things to be listened and it is sad to say this, but in Colombia some times things work in this way.

Practicing English... sorry for the mistakes..........Amar es arriesgarse a que no le quieran. Esperar es arriesgarse a sentir dolor. Intentar es arriesgarse a fracasar. Pero hay que arriesgarse. Porque lo más peligroso en esta vida es no arriesgar nada

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slguy says on May 30, 2008, 04:44:

i understand your concerns, karito, and honestly do appreciate them. i'm not real clear on exactly what they fear...some sort of pro rating of the cost of their degrees? seems a pretty difficult thing to do, is this really a government proposal? or a worst case reading of the proposal fueling an excuse to complain?

here, people finish their studies with sometimes stunningly high student loans to repay...especially medical students. it's really boils down to the value one places on their education, no? why not pay more for an education that you feel enhances your future earnings, if future earnings are your educational priority?

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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jaramillo says on May 30, 2008, 09:43:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've heard it all a million times, Karito. It costed me three extra fucking years to get my undergraduate degree. That's three years of lost income. Who will reimburse me; You?

Always with a good excuse to strike, to deface the university, to destroy labs, to throw acid on police, to suppress free speech.

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LilaM says on May 30, 2008, 09:56:

I agree Jaramillo..... they don´t pay, we pay, and those that don´t pay.... destroy and they keep asking for more... what a weird world.... but at the end all what we know is that the weirdos that start all the protests and the destruction process is a small group....

"You may be disappointed if you fail, but you are doomed if you don´t try" B. Sills

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jaramillo says on May 30, 2008, 10:29:

Indeed, Lila. A small group of "democratically" oriented malcontents. They believe in a "democracy" in which a violent minority rule.

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dwmte7 says on Jun 1, 2008, 09:23:

back in the 60's when all the riots took place on the UC berkeley campus, the rabble-rouser, was a young man named 'mario savio' he was the head of all the campus unrest.....people's park; freespeech; bombing of cambodia, etc. well years pass and i hear on some news article on NPR (natl public radio, the. mario savio (the alternative CHE GUEVERRA) had died too, that mario was a catholic priest. interesting.

dwmte

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