Prostituion in Colombia--Some Moral Questions

Peter (Moderator) says on Oct 26, 2002, 21:00:

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Sos gay?

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Peter (Moderator) says on Oct 26, 2002, 21:00:

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How dare you criticise this man's sexual orientation!




He refrained from exploiting Colombian women for moral reasons.




One day I'd like to marry a man like him.

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Peter (Moderator) says on Oct 26, 2002, 21:00:

RE: Prostituion in Colombia--Some Moral Questions WELL DID YOU OR DIDN'T YOU? REMEMBER NO ONE KNOWS WHO YOU ARE WHEN YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR ENVIORNMENT . THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH BEFRIENDING PROSTITUTES . A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO I MET ONE IN A BAR AND BECAME FRIENDS WITH HER . HER CASE WAS DIFFERENT MIDDLE CLASS KID IN COLLEGE WHO SAW THAT HER FRIENDS WERE MAKING $60-$70 PER FUCKING AN AMERICAN . THAT IS MONEY AND SHE SAID SHE DID WHO SHE WANTED TO. REMEMBER JUST AS YOU ARE DOWN THERE TELLING YOUR MAKE BELIEVE STORIES , THEY ALSO WILL MAKE UP A STORY OF WHO THEY ARE AND WHERE THEY CAME FROM OR JUST WHY . DID YOU TRY TO GET IT FOR FREE?

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Peter (Moderator) says on Oct 26, 2002, 21:00:

RE: Prostituion in Colombia--Some Moral Questions To the last commentator.




Well did you or didn't you do it to the middle class college kid?

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Peter (Moderator) says on Oct 26, 2002, 21:00:

RE: Prostituion in Colombia--Some Moral Questions OIGA , NINA


USTED LE VA CREER. USTED PIENSA QUE EL ESTABA A PUNTO A PAGAR LA VIEJA Y NO LO HIZO.


NO HABLAS DISPARATE VIEJO. PAGASTE Y TE COMISTE LA NINA . EVERYBODY DOES WHAT HE HAS TO . NI TU NI YO PODEMOS JUZGAR. Y SI DEPRONTO ES MARICA ESO ES VAINA DE EL. HE DIDN'T WASTE HIS MONEY.

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Peter (Moderator) says on Oct 26, 2002, 21:00:

RE: Prostituion in Colombia--Some Moral Questions WHAT WOULD YOU DO? WOULD YOU BE A GOOD CATHOLIC OR DO YOU BE A MAN A LONG WAY FROM HOME WITH NEEDS.

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Peter (Moderator) says on Oct 26, 2002, 21:00:

RE: Prostituion in Colombia--Some Moral Questions YOU KNOW AMERICAN CITIZENS CAN BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHAT THEY DO OUTSIDE THE COUNTRY. YOUR AMERICAN WHEREVER YOU MAY FIND YOURSELF.

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Peter (Moderator) says on Oct 27, 2002, 21:00:

RE: Prostituion in Colombia--Some Moral Questions (Written by MJ)
Jason, you make a lot of good points and I totally agree with them. I think that going with the prostitute, paying for her sexual services would have been exploitation.

To the others who responded: saying she gets who she wants is a fine way to make an excuse for taking advantage of a person in desperate circumstances. If you feel sorry for her and you really want to help her out why not give her some money and forget the sex? Do you know that the incidence of AIDs in Colombia is somewhat higher than other places in the world? Do you know that among the Latino population AIDs is as much or more a heterosexual problem as a homosexual problem? Do you know that condoms do not provide absolute protection from sexually transmitted diseases?

Back to the issue of the women and their circumstances… My sister is a social worker (in the US) very involved in working with the poor and with kids from abusive families – so this is my source of information regarding many social issues. Besides that we grew up in a pretty marginal neighborhood ourselves. I know from conversations with my sister that at least in the US (and probably in Colombia) the majority of women who become prostitutes (and who are promiscuous, by the way) have been victims of sexual abuse, often incest and sometimes sexual abuse from a stepfather or mother’s live-in boyfriend. Females (and males) who grow up with sexual abuse end up being very psychologically scarred (especially in cases where there is never any intervention or rescue from these terrible circumstances). Having grown up in abusive circumstances these individuals usually have no self-esteem and no sense of appropriate personal boundaries – i.e., since they were violated sexually, often over a long period of time, they don’t even know how to say no to someone who makes sexual advances. Typically they don’t know how to pick up on signs that would clue them in on whether the person or people they choose to hang out with are trustworthy, reliable people or dangerous people. Since they had to endure bad relationships and don’t know what a good relationship is, they continue to get involved over and over again with destructive, exploitative people.

So, basically if you decide to go to a prostitute for sex not only are you putting yourself at risk, you are also taking advantage of a vulnerable, desperate woman and helping to keep her stuck in a destructive lifestyle. And one last thought, maybe some of you guys see yourselves as just helping her out and doing no real harm (you see it terms of you and the woman getting what you want) – when you help keep her stuck in this lifestyle – each day with each new sexual contact she runs the risk of meeting up with a man who might have very evil intentions. Hey, but what the hell do you care? Obviously there are a lot of men here with no real moral foundation or conscience. And that SHIT about “BEING A GOOD CATHOLIC WITH NEEDS”. That is the one of the most ludicrous statements I have seen here.

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Peter (Moderator) says on Oct 27, 2002, 21:00:

RE: Prostituion in Colombia--Some Moral Questions MJ THE STATEMENT READ . WOULD YOU BE A GOOD CATHOLIC OR THE OTHER . READ CLEARLY , YOU ARE NOT THE ONLY ONE WITH A HEAD ON YOUR SHOULDERS .

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Peter (Moderator) says on Oct 27, 2002, 21:00:

RE: Prostituion in Colombia--Some Moral Questions (Written by MJ)
Ok. I read fast - sometimes too fast.

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Peter (Moderator) says on Oct 27, 2002, 21:00:

RE: Prostituion in Colombia--Some Moral Questions (Written by MJ)
To the Good Catholic,
Thanks for making it clear what you were saying. Sorry I misread your comment.

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Peter (Moderator) says on Oct 27, 2002, 21:00:

RE: Prostituion in Colombia--Some Moral Questions THAT IS FINE. BUT REMEMBER GOD GAVE US ALL A FREE WILL TO DO WHAT WE WILL TO. PUT THAT IN THE POWER OF A COLOMBIAN OR ANY MAN AND YOU GOT TROUBLE. THATS WHY I SAY TO EACH HIS OWN.

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Peter (Moderator) says on Oct 27, 2002, 21:00:

RE: Prostituion in Colombia--Some Moral Questions To all, let us treat these women with dignity.

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Peter (Moderator) says on Oct 27, 2002, 21:00:

RE: Prostituion in Colombia--Some Moral Questions (Written by billy)
This site was, I think, created for all who want to enjoy Colombia, for those who love Colombia and for those who want to travel or live there. I think Colombians deserve respect. For those of us who love Colombia, titillating stories of prostitution have no place here, just as they would not in a website about your country. I'm sure there is an audience for such postings at other sites.
If you happen to get horny, that and how you resolve it is your personal matter. There is no shortage of options for those who want to pay for sex(and the same "moral" dilemmas)in any country, including your own.

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Peter (Moderator) says on Oct 27, 2002, 21:00:

RE: Prostituion in Colombia--Some Moral Questions (Written by juandaniel)
well, I don't wanna insult some of you but it seems as if you think all colombian women were prostitutes and would do anything for money. sure, there some women how sell their body and especially in colombia you can get everything for money but generally they are good and normal people like in germany, the usa or any place in the world.
I mean it's cool that you didn't take advantage of the situation of these women but don't talk like that about the colombian women in general.
just respect our women like we respect your women.

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Peter (Moderator) says on Oct 27, 2002, 21:00:

RE: Prostituion in Colombia--Some Moral Questions Sometimes, if it feels good, JUST DO IT!!!

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Peter (Moderator) says on Oct 27, 2002, 21:00:

RE: Prostituion in Colombia--Some Moral Questions Sex is good. In times of great loneliness, in the absence of touch and affection, I have paid for sex, in Madrid, in Amsterdam, in Seattle and San Francisco(lap dances in the last two places), and these were wonderful, humanizing experiences--I am grateful for the kindness shown to me by these warm, decent women who treated me as decently as I treated them.


Most people never understand that love is an attitude, subjective rather than objective. By loving you receive love, sometimes even if you pay for it.

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Peter (Moderator) says on Oct 27, 2002, 21:00:

RE: Prostituion in Colombia--Some Moral Questions Maybe if you had healthier ways to deal with your negative, unpleasant feelings (like being lonely) you would not use prostitutes as an escape.




Since prostitution is legal in Amsterdam (I don't know about Madrid)that situation may be very different from the US and Colombia where people are most likely driven to prostitution by desperation and there is no regulation of health standards.

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Peter (Moderator) says on Oct 28, 2002, 21:00:

RE: Prostituion in Colombia--Some Moral Questions (Written by Read At Your Own Risk!)

http://www.prostitutionresearch.com/parker-how.html

http://www.prostitutionresearch.com/prosAD.html

http://www.prostitutionresearch.com/WhyIMade.html

http://www.prostitutionresearch.com/wilson-trafficking.html

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Peter (Moderator) says on Oct 28, 2002, 21:00:

Warning/Advertencia If you have a conscience, reading the information provided at the links above may cause nightmares and other adverse emotional reactions. Again, read at your own risk!!!!

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Peter (Moderator) says on Oct 28, 2002, 21:00:

RE: Prostituion in Colombia--Some Moral Questions Who are you to judge how one deals with loneliness?

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Peter (Moderator) says on Oct 29, 2002, 21:00:

RE: Prostituion in Colombia--Some Moral Questions Guess you didn’t read the articles (links above) about men (users) just like you. Some quotes from the article by Joe Parker, RN regarding johns/users:




“Real sexual relationships are not hard to find. There are plenty of adults of both sexes who are willing to have sex if someone treats them well, and asks. But there lies the problem. Some people do not want an equal, sharing relationship. They do not want to be nice. They do not want to ask. They like the power involved in buying a human being who can be made to do almost anything.”




“The most common type of prostitution customer is the user. He is quite self-centered, and simply wants what he considers to be his needs met.”




”The user would deny any intent to harm anyone, and might even claim some empathy for the sex workers he uses. However, his empathy does not extend to discontinuing his using behavior, nor to helping anyone escape from the sex industry. He does not care whether the person he is using is unwilling or unusually vulnerable. He simply feels entitled to whatever he wants, whenever he wants it. If someone is hurt, that is not his problem.”




”He sees himself as a respectable person, and works to protect that appearance. Users provide a large, safe, and steady income for the pimps and other "businessmen," of the sex industry.”

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Peter (Moderator) says on Oct 29, 2002, 21:00:

RE: Prostituion in Colombia--Some Moral Questions Overgeneralized blather that can be refuted on several points: for example, "real" sexual relationships are not ALWAYS easy to find; paying for sex does not make someone "not nice"; who is talking about power--sex feels good, and it is a basic human need which can be satisfied in various contexts.


You(and the person who wrote the above) simply cannot account for the wide spectrum of needs, experiences and points of view people might have, and you can not in any way demonstrate the universal veracity of the comments made above. The descriptions may fit some cases, but they do not fit me, and it is illogical for you to label all people who pay for sex as "users" and all those who accept money for it as "vulnerable" and "unwilling" and "hurt", when in fact some paid for sexual experiences are liberating and some prostitutes may enjoy their work for any number of reasons. Prostitution is not always about exploitation.

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Peter (Moderator) says on Oct 29, 2002, 21:00:

RE: Prostituion in Colombia--Some Moral Questions Denial! I'm not talking about the river in Egypt.

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Peter (Moderator) says on Oct 31, 2002, 21:00:

RE: Prostituion in Colombia--Some Moral Questions Thanks for raising an important issue Jason. You were right not to pay for sex. It would have degraded you and the woman, risked spreading serious disease and, more likely than not, have transferred more money to a pimp rather than to the woman concerned.


Western sex-tourists are damaging Colombia and deluding themselves when they say that paying a prostitute for sex is not exploitation.

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Peter (Moderator) says on Dec 12, 2002, 21:00:

RE: Prostituion in Colombia--Some Moral Questions Que agradable saber que Colombia tiene potencial en por lo menos este ramo de la degradación humana.


Este es un país de basura y solo se produce eso.

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Peter (Moderator) says on Nov 27, 2003, 08:26:

Como todas son putas profesionales, ocmo se distingue entre la negociantes y las principientes?

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Peter (Moderator) says on Dec 12, 2003, 03:36:

Prostituion I think we shouldn't judge prostituts as we don't always know their situation. They may have a small child who needs careing and you may have family but some of them don't have any family to turn to for help. So they take the easy option whitch I think if I were in the same postion is the easyier option. I think this because it means they can look after there kid during the day and then they work at night when the child is sleeping this still isn't right leaving the child along at night I must agree. But it saves then paying for care especilly if they have hardly any money. So it is the easy option for most.

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Peter (Moderator) says on Dec 12, 2003, 03:44:

This comment was done by Ben Rumble from Berwickshire High School in the Scotland in the Borders

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Peter (Moderator) says on Dec 12, 2003, 03:46:

I think we shouldn't judge prostituts as we don't always know their situation. They may have a small child who needs careing and you may have family but some of them don't have any family to turn to for help. So they take the easy option whitch I think if I were in the same postion is the easyier option. I think this because it means they can look after there kid during the day and then they work at night when the child is sleeping this still isn't right leaving the child along at night I must agree. But it saves then paying for care especilly if they have hardly any money. So it is the easy option for most. By Ben Rumble at the Berwickshire High School i9n Scotland in the Borders

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Peter (Moderator) says on Jan 4, 2004, 21:21:

Well... In one of the States of North America, In a hot summer night, when it was lonely & where just about everyone is/was looking for a better someone to be with (relationship wise/dating)in Gotham city, I asked a beautiful street prostitute for a BJ. Within minutes I had about 8 cops pointing guns at me. They supposedly had me on tape & many other unlucky guys who thought first with their other head. It happens to all of us (men), althought no exacttly in this circunstance. Never having been in jail,it was degradading to my spirit. I learned from it. I do not dare anywhere to ask or approach a prostitute. However, it just goes to show you that it's the oldest profession where men can easily be prayed upon to fall for it UNTIL you have a very bad experience that will make deal with it differently from that moment on. In another south american country, not Colombia, I paid for sex. I knew I could get away with it, plus the girls were just drop-dead gorgeous. Not too long ago read about condoms only protecting about 62-68%. That's pretty scary. Stopping & thinking it deeply, I value myself quite a lot more that I would not risk my life, my healh and dear ones around me because of such an irresponsible act as sleeping with a prostitute. As for the temptation, it will be there, just remember, you don't need a beautiful woman to be your intimacy partner. An average looking woman will do, perhaps one of your bestt friends, who knows. One day, you might regret if you sleep with one, It can thenn be very very late to turn back the clock.

I still think BJs are perfectly safe but you may never get it if cops/robbers set it all up. keep in mind, you can also go to jail in some countries.

Good Luck!

Cesar

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Peter (Moderator) says on Jan 4, 2004, 22:20:

all you people just need to shut up. prostitution is everywhere, and in a country where a couple of your dollars can buy a whole family breakfast and lunch, i don't see how your minds can even begin to understand the level of desperation in Colombia. Furthermore since most of you don't even live there, you need to stop talking about something you will never be able to understand. You stingy americans go over there practically millionares by the common standard but yet you do nothing for the plight of suffering people except complain and criticize the only way many women have to exist. If americans wouldn't exploit them in the first place then they wouldn't have any costumers to prostitute themselves too. The american country has never even been close to knowning such poverty in it's short but extremely bloody history, how dare you try to act like you have any idea what you are talking about. You all sound like the ignorant,greedy, self-righteous, know better than you what to do with your life, americans(or wanna-be americans-europeans) that you are, go watch t.v. or something and leave this site for Colombians who live there or have lived there.

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Peter (Moderator) says on Jan 5, 2004, 18:35:

WOW The last user who posted actually sounds more idiotic than most of us
totally out of context
lol

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Peter (Moderator) says on Jan 9, 2004, 14:42:

yea i agree u
in this site one can see this kind of stupid gringo....

and this is very funny becuse Colombian ppl think that the only difference between NORTHamerican n EUROpean bitches with COlombian bitches is that the first ones doesnt charge u for havin sex.

irony

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Peter (Moderator) says on Jan 10, 2004, 06:12:

Shall we dance? Sir,
I will respectfully recuse myself from the moral turpitude of engaging in sex for hire but, goddamn, I'd love to know if you can give me any info on salsa lessons in Cali. I"ll be going there for a couple weeks in February and want to take lessons while there. Any information would be most appreciated. Could you please send to me via my personal email: terrance3047 at hotmail.com.
MG

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Peter (Moderator) says on Jan 10, 2004, 06:46:

Brendan Behan once said The big difference between sex for money and sex for free is that sex for money usually costs a lot less.

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PETERPAND says on Jan 10, 2004, 12:39:

PROSTITUTION IN COLOMBIA JEEZ!!! WOMEN WHO CHOSE TO WORK AS A PROSTITUTE MUST GET REALLY STIGMATIZED IN YOUR ENVIRONMENT!!THAT SOUNDS AS BAD AS THE PROSTITUTE WHO GETS EXPLOITED.WHY CAN'T YOU JUST SEE THESE WOMEN/MEN JUST AS ANY OTHER PEOPLE WHO CHOSE A JOB THAT MIGHT NOT BE ONE OF YOUR OWN CHOICE!?IS IT THAT MUCH WORSE THEN SOMEBODY WHO HIRES HIS/HER BODY TO A BIG INDUSTRIALIST WHO RUINS THE BODY HE HIRES BY HAVING IT WORK IN TERRIBLE CIRCUMSTANCES, WITH POISONING GASSES,CHEMICALS....
AND I THINK THE "TERRIBLE DISEASES" ARE SPREAD JUST AS WELL BY "DECENT" ONE-NIGHT STANDS, DON'T STIGMATIZE THE HARDWORKING PROSTITUTES WITH THAT! THEY ARE FAR MORE LIKELY TO USE THE NECESSARY PRECAUTIONS THEN YOUR "DECENT" ONE NIGHTSTANDS!!!!

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TioCharlie says on Jan 10, 2004, 19:32:

two cents worth I am new to this site (less than 2 weeks) and it is amazing how many people wear thier feelings on thier sleeves and are so passionate to defend them. One thing that bothers me though is that it is always the Americans fault. I am of the strong feeling that those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. From the way that I see it the first prostitues were the indians who traded sex for favorable recognition by the conquistidors from Spain (who with less than 200 men conquered the area fomerly known as the Gran Colombia). Some of these women did this by choice but the vast majority were forced into this situation.

Secondly, true the US has bloodshed in its history, but colombia is no inocent angel either. Just making an observation.... I hope this does not cause too many flame postings to come my way. :)

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TioCharlie says on Jan 10, 2004, 19:50:

Another thought...hmmmm If all you are doing is looking to pick up a prostitute I recommend that you travel to Western Europe. In England, Germany, Holland, Austria, and Denmark prostitution is legal if you go to one of the designated legal brothels (in any major German city you can find them within 2 blocks of the bonnhoff (that's German for train station)). They are clean, the girls receive monthly health checks, condoms are provided (as a matter of fact they are required),the cops ain't gonna come kicking in the door and then you can truly justify the experience as paying the woman for a service so that she can support that child at home or whatever other justification you want give for the encounter. I know this to be a fact because I've been there... and its not just the GIs that are in this part of town either...

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asmith says on Feb 26, 2004, 23:12:

Prostitution Gentelmen: A long time ago I use to think with my head, just like you, the head of my dick. The head without intelligence. It is interesting that, many of you young want to be studs, are only looking for a moments pleasure, thats right, as some have mentioned on this site, you may jump into a black hole------HIV-AIDS ---No Return, you poor invincible young want to be studs. Unless you have seen someone with AIDS and understand how much they suffer you will not know. Are you willing to bet your LIFE? Because that is what you are doing. I wish all of you the best life.

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britt says on Jul 31, 2005, 17:02:

prostitution I have been told by an american who visited bogota that most of the university students in Colombia are female. And furthermore, that in order to pay for there tuition, they mostly work as prositutes. She was saying that there are many, many, educated ladys in Colombia, but most are or at least were part time prositutes. Has anyone else heard of this?

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Mr. Hollywood says on Jul 31, 2005, 17:40:

What's a prositute? Tell us what a prositute is, Britt, and we'll give you your answer.

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