President Uribe met with His Holiness, Pope Benedict XVI

Simon says on Apr 30, 2009, 19:33:

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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Simon says on Apr 30, 2009, 19:36:

Que lindas fotos de nuestro presidente con el vicario de Cristo.

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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Darloup (☼Travelguide writer) says on Apr 30, 2009, 20:19:

Simon says on Apr 30, 2009, 20:30:

"When, in Colombia, sicarios bless their bullets before murdering someone, I'd say the overall Catholic connection is tenuous at best..."


They're not real Catholics Darloup. They just profaning our religion by committing those sacrilegious acts.

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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Darloup (☼Travelguide writer) says on Apr 30, 2009, 20:55:

Darloup (☼Travelguide writer) says on Apr 30, 2009, 21:11:

kalder says on May 1, 2009, 00:05:

The 'Holy Land' had been part of the Roman Empire for centuries. The Crusaders had every right to try and take it back.

"A piece of cheese may entrap a mouse, but a bicycle could ensnare the Imperial Chancellor."~~An Bai Kuang

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kalder says on May 1, 2009, 00:12:

And as we're on the subject of Papal audiences, I may as well mention that (a very long time ago) I had an audience with the previous Pope. Fascinating experience- surprisingly low key, informal and friendly. Before he was shot, Pope John-Paul II was a burly, good-natured and relaxed salt-of-the-earth type of bloke. Mischievous sense of humour too.

"A piece of cheese may entrap a mouse, but a bicycle could ensnare the Imperial Chancellor."~~An Bai Kuang

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miamimike says on May 1, 2009, 02:29:

And lets not forget this Pope is still apologizing for Pius Xll allegedlly recognizing the Nazi Regime comitted by Pius Xll for his sympathies with the Nazis and turning his head when millions of Jews were being marched into the Ovens,,,

The controversy moved on to a plaque at the Yad Vashem holocaust museum in Jerusalem, placed there in 2005. It states that Pius XII “had recognized the Nazi regime”, and that even when reports about the murder of Jews reached the Vatican, “ he did not protest.”

http://catholicinsight.com/online/editorials/article_861.shtml

No hay Peor Ciego que el que no quiere Ver o Sordo que el que no quiera Oir--Soy Yo, Sarah Palin, Wasilla Alaska.

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miamimike says on May 1, 2009, 02:43:

My Boy (and Beloved Avatar) "W" also knows this Pope having met him personally and incorrectly adressing the Pope stating "Your eminence, you're looking good." --George W. Bush to Pope Benedict XVI, using the title for Catholic cardinals, rather than addressing him as "your holiness," Rome, June 13, 2008

No hay Peor Ciego que el que no quiere Ver o Sordo que el que no quiera Oir--Soy Yo, Sarah Palin, Wasilla Alaska.

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kalder says on May 1, 2009, 04:14:

"And lets not forget this Pope is still apologizing for Pius Xll"

No. He's not. Where did you get that from?

"Pius Xll for his sympathies with the Nazis and turning his head when millions of Jews were being marched into the Ovens,,,"

That's a desperate old canard. Which you won't find repeated in any academic history text (Burleigh, Kershaw, Gilbert etc). Catholicism and Nazism were daggers drawn. Or, as the Jewish Mr. Albert Eistein put it in a Time Magazine interview in 1940:

"Only the Church stood squarely across the path of Hitler's campaign for suppressing the truth. I had never any special interest in the Church before, but now I feel a great admiration because the Church alone has had the courage and persistence to stand for intellectual truth and moral freedom. I am forced to confess, that what I once despised, I now praise unreservedly."

"A piece of cheese may entrap a mouse, but a bicycle could ensnare the Imperial Chancellor."~~An Bai Kuang

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dwmte7 says on May 1, 2009, 05:16:

the church--my church--was between a rock and a hard spot in dealing with the nazis and their atrocities. hitler told the pope in no uncertain terms, that if they, the church, continued to meddle in the nazis agenda, that he would bomb churches, monestaries, and the vatican. it was at that point that the churches activities went underground. pope JP made a Papal confession for the churches failure to do more than it did.

kalder, you're very fortunate to have had that audience...i'm envious. a friend of mine, many years ago, from europe somewhere, but by then, a u.s. citizen when i knew him, in the diplomatic corps. he accompaied a friend of his to the vatican...his friend having some business there. while there, my friend was sitting in a hallway, waiting for his associate, when a cardinal came up to him and asked him if he'ld like to meet the pope. his response was kinda 'huh? you talking to me?

of course he replied and was ushered into the pope's office where he had His Holiness' company and conversation for about20 minutes. the Pope gave him a lovely rosary which he cherishes dearly. he, too, is catholic.

d

patriarch

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dwmte7 says on May 1, 2009, 05:17:

pray tell, dear friend, what brought about your audience with His Holiness?

patriarch

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makopp5 (☼Travelguide writer) says on May 1, 2009, 05:18:

kalder says on May 1, 2009, 08:17:

In brief doug: In 1981, I was staying at the Carmelite College in Rome on a cultural/educational junket. One of the chaps in my party had been corresponding with the Pope's personal secretary. Out of the blue came a phonecall from this monsignor, inviting this bloke to an audience with the Big Man himself and (almost as an after thought) any friends of his who wanted to tag along. The upshot was, about ten us ended up in the Vatican at the crack of dawn for a Mass and chinwag with the Vicar of Christ.

It was all so very low key. Minimal security (innocent days). No fuss. No bowing and scraping. Just a quick church service in a modest chapel and ten minutes of handshakes and chat with the Pope. He had no side at all to him, no standing on ceremony: He chuckled and backslapped and made play with his rudimentary english. A genuinely warm character.

He gave us those rosary beads too.

"A piece of cheese may entrap a mouse, but a bicycle could ensnare the Imperial Chancellor."~~An Bai Kuang

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tasco66 says on May 1, 2009, 08:23:

God bless Uribe!

The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev)

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davidslc46 says on May 1, 2009, 09:33:

Oh like all you judgemental Mo Fo`s are such outstanding men and would win the nobel peace price for your contribution to humanity.

Do not throw the baby out with the bath water. There is something very powerful occurring in Colombia. The people or their children may very well get a chance to experience a life they have only dreamed about or prayed about.

Some of us would consider it a God thing, while others will see it as merely the manipulations of men.

The beauty for some in the christian story is that even a wretched person like me can be cleansed and perform better in the future then I did in the past.

No man can give me that and quite frankly, I could not do it myself. I know who I really am down deep and it is not all that pretty.

David

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Simon says on May 1, 2009, 09:55:

"Isn´t the catolic church and the pope the greates dictator in the world?"


Isn't the Earth flat?

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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makopp5 (☼Travelguide writer) says on May 1, 2009, 10:05:

Simon says on May 1, 2009, 10:37:

The Pope was elected democratically by the college of cardinals, and the Vatican is the world's oldest democracy.

The condom comment was silly, but you have to take into account that's it's coming from an 82 year-old man.

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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makopp5 (☼Travelguide writer) says on May 1, 2009, 10:46:

miamimike says on May 1, 2009, 11:26:

Selection of a "Redcap" (cardinal) is more or less Political,,,to be from the right family, surname(apellido) university, ect. No one usually gets into the College of cardinals on ability alone,,,Its always been Political. Essentially even before the Election, the man for the Job has pretty much been picked. The Election is a Formality

If that was the case, our Man in BQA Elmo would be a Colombian Cardinal...LOL

No hay Peor Ciego que el que no quiere Ver o Sordo que el que no quiera Oir--Soy Yo, Sarah Palin, Wasilla Alaska.

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theman says on May 1, 2009, 23:25:

Seems like there are a lot of anti-Catholic bigots on this site. I suppose that people have moved on from discriminating against people like me for my skin color(black), to discriminating against Catholics and such. Just because some members of a group do some bad things at some point in history does not make the whole group bad. My race has a very high crime rate. Perhaps you bigots would like to denigrate all of us. I suppose haters need to have a group to hate. BTW, I am not Catholic.

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kalder says on May 2, 2009, 06:02:

Wise words t.

"A piece of cheese may entrap a mouse, but a bicycle could ensnare the Imperial Chancellor."~~An Bai Kuang

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makopp5 (☼Travelguide writer) says on May 2, 2009, 06:15:

dwmte7 says on May 2, 2009, 08:48:

makopp......i think it's a bit of a stretch, if not license, to call and/or think of the pope as a dictator.

i'm catholic, and i see him more as a guide, a friend, a person interested in not only my, but humanities welfare. now, easy, i know there's a shit load of naysayers out there who'll pick on the Holy See like they do on the new president, mr obama....(interesting how they never talk about themselves) but that not important to me. my feelings and beliefs are mine alone, any your's, your's

it's pretty dirty to cast aspersions on the pope like you would/do a penochet, amin, magabe, bashir, and countless others who's dictatorial penchants are set in stone with blood as morter. the pope, differ as you may with his posture or opinion, is not a murderer, and a staunch upholder of democracy.

the man.....thanks for the post.

d

patriarch

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makopp5 (☼Travelguide writer) says on May 2, 2009, 08:56:

Simon says on May 2, 2009, 11:28:

"Seems like there are a lot of anti-Catholic bigots on this site. I suppose that people have moved on from discriminating against people like me for my skin color(black), to discriminating against Catholics and such."

Well said, amigo!! Most of these bigots don't respect anything.

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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dwmte7 says on May 2, 2009, 12:58:

i don't use condoms.....never once....don't have aids.....have flown first class have been hungry in a lot of places,.....africa, india, middle east, mexico, and even in colombia.


sorry, mr makopp, for me..............the word 'dictator' is not applicable.

now your final passage....."because JESUS showed us like this?" not sure what is implied here. are you comparing the pope with JESUS THE CHRIST? i'm afraid that's a leap i can't make, as no man compares to the ARISEN. and i won't get into a tit for tat on that issue.

patriarch

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dwmte7 says on May 2, 2009, 12:58:

ok, simon, you're buying the next round.

patriarch

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Darloup (☼Travelguide writer) says on May 2, 2009, 14:08: