Portraying of Colombian men & women on PBH

msaucey says on Mar 3, 2008, 12:07:

I'm glad you didn't sum up all of us and specifically kept in mind that this is for some reason a Rola/Rolo issue?....

You've just added fire to your protest...

The trouble about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed. - CS Lewis

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Simon says on Mar 3, 2008, 12:18:

This site is racist/bigoted against Colombians.

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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Alma del Norte says on Mar 3, 2008, 12:22:

.

La vida es una rutina

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CatGirl says on Mar 3, 2008, 12:35:

Well Bamapits: Your last comment
"There are a few exceptions, mostly relating to over-acheiving Bogota women and men"

Sounds like you know something? I certainly don't. Is there a specific type of subculture within Bogota that you have knowledge of ;)) ...only curious - interesting post

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

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RAAAY says on Mar 3, 2008, 12:36:

Editing out my stupid comment.........................zaaaapppppp

.

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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scotty says on Mar 3, 2008, 12:37:

really? thats a little hash isnt it Simon? i have seen on occasion some one say some negative things about Colombians but that doesnt make the whole damn board anti Colombians does it?
I have also seen many people calling americans pasty or some other rude name but that doesnt mean that the whole board thinks that way does it?
calm down, yes there are some nuts on this board that will attack just about any person, race, culture or political affiliation but that doesnt mean everyone on the board is racist.
In fact i think its just the opposite i think most people on this board are very pro Colombians thats why we come here to be a part of Colombia.

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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bamapits says on Mar 3, 2008, 12:44:

From scanning all the various posts on PBH, week by week, I make my comment.
Just look at the first page alone, ha.

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RAAAY says on Mar 3, 2008, 12:48:

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Scotty says.... " yes there are some nuts on this board that will attack just about any person, race, culture or political affiliation..."



I wonder who these intolerant people might be...??..........................
Oh........


Scotty says.." ...you leftys crack me up,.....liberals are the big whiners and cry babies of all time, they bitch and moan and groan and blame everything in the world that happens on Bush..."




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.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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CatGirl says on Mar 3, 2008, 12:48:

Bamapits...still waiting for your inner knowledge? tick, tick, tick

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

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El Polo says on Mar 3, 2008, 12:57:

Sounds like some people on PBH are here to vent, more than anything

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Simon says on Mar 3, 2008, 12:59:

Ok Scotty, lately it hasn't been so noticeable, and that's because a couple of trouble-making members left. Good riddance!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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RUV says on Mar 3, 2008, 13:34:

Simon,

If I had a peso for everytime you went off the handle when someone said anything bad about Colombia, I could build a nice large finca in Poblado.

Relax and calm down. : )

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wendell13 says on Mar 3, 2008, 13:43:

or a nice apartment in Silhoe, Cali

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Simon says on Mar 3, 2008, 14:32:

RUV,

I take that as a compliment!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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Medellin Traveler says on Mar 3, 2008, 14:50:

bamapits, "It is funny, how on PBH, Colombian men are always potrayed as drunken womenizers, lack of resposibility, child out-of-wedlock, praised for their drunkeness, etc.....
On the other hand the Colombian women, women with dubious agendas, prepagos, liars, opportunists using looks as a mean to offset social inequities, bimbos, also irresponsible for having children out-of-wedlock, etc... "

Really?

I think your statement is way off.

Yes, some members have made negative remarks, but I hardly think they were blatant and offensive remarks made toward the general population. It's just people cracking wise, more than anything.

"Huevos Rancheros en Medellin, No Quiero Taco Bell." - www.medellintraveler.com

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Colombiche says on Mar 3, 2008, 15:37:

I find some of the comments on this thread very tasteless and plain insulting, especially when all colombian women are painted as prepagos.

I find the original statements rather silly, that the only exceptions to these "rules" are overachieving rolos. You obviously have been attracting crappy people and judging the entire country based on their actions.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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ColombianoGringo says on Mar 3, 2008, 15:51:

cb, I suspect that some people think all Colombian women are prepagos because that is all they can pick up.

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RAAAY says on Mar 3, 2008, 16:00:

Lancer.....,,,,,medoblado /spartan /killkillthetroll /baltazaar /rumplestiltskin/onlythebestplease

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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RAAAY says on Mar 3, 2008, 16:02:

Lancer.....,,,,,medoblado /spartan /killkillthetroll /baltazaar /rumplestiltskin/onlythebestplease

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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RAAAY says on Mar 3, 2008, 16:04:

Lancer.....,,,,,medoblado /spartan /killkillthetroll /baltazaar /rumplestiltskin/onlythebestplease

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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Medellin Traveler says on Mar 3, 2008, 16:04:

He'll always be Mendo to me :O)

"Huevos Rancheros en Medellin, No Quiero Taco Bell." - www.medellintraveler.com

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Colombiche says on Mar 3, 2008, 16:08:

colombianogringo, exactamente, su experiencia es limitada y lo unico que atraen son grillas (porque en realidad eso es lo unico que buscan), entonces juzgan nuestra cultura basada en eso y no les interesa conocer mas, se quedan estancados en la ignorancia. Es una lastima que se pierdan de conocer el resto de las cosas bellas que ofrece nuestra tierra.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Lcacique says on Mar 3, 2008, 20:30:

I'd have to agree that many of the foreign guys (as in not from Colombia), not by any means all, are extremely shallow. Whatever, if your only reason for liking Colombia is what's between a colombiana's thighs, so be it. That's your trip. It did piss me off while I was in Colombia because a ton of people have the impression that since you are a gringo you must be in Colombia to either get laid or to purchase a wife. Now I just show their comments to my Colombian friends and we have a good laugh about how pathetic they all are...

I love that scotty is the one to come on here and preach acceptance and tolerance...did someone slip a few tabs of acid in my beverage or am I losing my mind?

Damn RAAAY, you beat me to it...

Hoy se nota en la floresta un ambiente de alegría. ¡Y el rumor de ranchería es mas dulce y sabe a fiesta!

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chrispej says on Mar 3, 2008, 20:54:

"I hear there are some cultures in existence in this world who have never seen anyone from another civilization."

Maybe this was true half a century ago....... Been to two dozen countries....they all had a McDonalds.

Prepagos: Settle on a price, have a good time, get what you want and they go home.....

Postpagos: Pay, pay, pay, have a good time once in a while, get what you want (on occasion), eventually they go home with everything you own.

I prefer a balanced budget.

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Lcacique says on Mar 3, 2008, 22:52:

chrispej:

Interesting that you have to pay for it...

Hoy se nota en la floresta un ambiente de alegría. ¡Y el rumor de ranchería es mas dulce y sabe a fiesta!

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miamimike says on Mar 4, 2008, 00:56:

It all depends who pens the Jokes, some can write anything with Impunity while others are landed on hard with the first Keystroke. depends on who the Poster is Folks,,,In many cases, there two standards

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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tomtom33 says on Mar 4, 2008, 04:38:

Lca, you always pay. But it is cheaper by the piece.

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jinksmiester says on Mar 4, 2008, 07:57:

I don,t believe everyone paints colombians in that light..ive met a lot of great people in colombia that don,t fit that decription ...im proud to call them my family..friends and comrades.

A man is not old until regret takes the place of dreams

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Lcacique says on Mar 4, 2008, 08:15:

tomtom33:

I have been in plenty of relationships where everything is pretty much mutual, I have dated women who make more than I do and insist on paying for most everything, and I have been known to pay for most everything in other relationships. However, if you think that going out to dinner with someone is a payment for sex, or living in communion with someone is a payment for sex, then I'd say your a bit warped. Are you expecting to get laid when you buy beers for your buddies? Is it a big let down when they don't put out on sundays after the game? Or is that different? You ever buy lunch for your mom?

But hey, it is your trip. If you pay for it, whatever. Like I said, it just gets old having to shake the reputation that certain gringos have given us all in places like Colombia.

Hoy se nota en la floresta un ambiente de alegría. ¡Y el rumor de ranchería es mas dulce y sabe a fiesta!

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tomtom33 says on Mar 4, 2008, 08:25:

You have a meaning for pay that is a bit too literal.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Mar 4, 2008, 08:41:

Here on PBH everybody has a "portray" not just Colombians

The Gringos who go to Colombia are supposed to be bald, fat, ugly losers that can't find women in the USA.

The British are uptight, crumpets and boring tea drinkers, and don't let me start on the French!!!

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Mar 4, 2008, 08:45:

Or Canadians....

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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ColombianoGringo says on Mar 4, 2008, 08:46:

Well. There are no polite words to describe Canadians, so best leave them out ;)

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Lcacique says on Mar 4, 2008, 09:33:

tomtom33:

Forget about it. I'll repeat, it's your trip and you can do what you want.

Hoy se nota en la floresta un ambiente de alegría. ¡Y el rumor de ranchería es mas dulce y sabe a fiesta!

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tomtom33 says on Mar 4, 2008, 10:41:

Well, thank you.

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jinksmiester says on Mar 4, 2008, 14:56:

those are,nt real canadians...there americans wearing canadian apparel under the guise they are canadian

A man is not old until regret takes the place of dreams

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manINred says on Mar 4, 2008, 18:30:

Yes, the general portrayal of Colombian women on this site is generally shocking. Yet another aspect of HappyButPoor 'realworld' life in Colombia that I missed out during my time there...

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tomtom33 says on Mar 5, 2008, 01:25:

Since I am not a Colombian woman, maybe I don't take offense as easily. Many things are said in jest. And too many people walk around with sticks up their asses(and, no, apparently you do not know who you are).

Comments about Bush being a mass murderer are not made in jest. And those comments reflect on me personally and the people of the US in general. So I can be offended.

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Lcacique says on Mar 5, 2008, 08:21:

There is a big difference between making a sweeping generalization about an entire group of people and making an accusation about a single person. For example, isn't there a difference between saying "Americans are a-holes" and saying "the President of the US is an a-hole"?

Quite frankly I find nothing funny about prostitution. And while things may be said in a joking manner, they often say quite a bit about the person (at times, more so than other forms of commentary). If someone can find humor in the fact that a woman is in such a state of need that she is forced to sell her body to whomever passes by, well, you're sick. It's really simple. Rationalize it however you like...(edit: I shouldn't have used "you" here: "they are sick" and they can rationalize it however they like...)

tomtom33: I am genuinely curious, what offends you about people calling Bush a mass murderer and how does it reflect on you?

Hoy se nota en la floresta un ambiente de alegría. ¡Y el rumor de ranchería es mas dulce y sabe a fiesta!

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tomtom33 says on Mar 5, 2008, 08:57:

He is the leader of my country. He was elected to serve the citizens of the US. He and our government do not always do the things that I think they ought to do. But I accept responsibility for my country and my President. It is far too easy to sit in the peanut gallery and piss on everything.

Neither Bush nor the US are mass murderers by any definition that I accept.

I don't mind sweeping generalizations about Gringos when they are made in the proper context. I think that they are damn funny. Desi's Hawaiian-shirted droolers at a Cali mall is great.

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Lcacique says on Mar 5, 2008, 11:38:

tomtom33: thanks for the honest response.

I would make a distinction between being critical of certain events that are clearly controversial and simply "pissing on everything."

I think there are many people who feel that despite the fact that we are at war, the killing of another human being is defined as murder. Isn't that why governments create words like "collateral damage" or "pacification" so as to allow the public to disassociate themselves from what is taking place? In addition, the fact that many see this war as unjust, makes it easier for some to make the leap to calling it "mass murder." I wouldn't personally use the term, especially towards the soldiers. Quite often we apply these terms to our enemies without batting an eye.

Personally, I do not know if I am capable of accepting responsibility for something that I have little to no control over (i.e. the government or their actions). Also, I give respect where it is earned by actions not by winning a popularity contest. It is far too easy to sit back in the land of nod and accept everything blindly because it is being related to you by a person in a position of authority.

p.s. I think the US is the most wonderful country in the world and I am proud of my country as well. Like you, I am not always proud for the actions of our government, but I certainly love what this country stands for in principle.

I hope you realize that my minor disagreements with you are just that...minor disagreements. And I maintain that my opinions are only my opinions...I am sure that you and many others disagree with me to varying degrees and that is awesome!

Hoy se nota en la floresta un ambiente de alegría. ¡Y el rumor de ranchería es mas dulce y sabe a fiesta!

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Man Tequila says on Mar 5, 2008, 12:29:

Man, how many billy goats gruff does this site have anyway?

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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ZeDoCaixao says on May 12, 2008, 10:04:

Well, I never got laid in any part of CO but by paying for it. Except once when I shelled out who knows what amount for liquor and ended up with some ugly broad.

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tomtom33 says on May 12, 2008, 10:10:

One way or another, you pay. Paying by the piece is usually much cheaper.

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lpdiver says on May 12, 2008, 10:10:

Man T... and how many trolls. Just strikes home as The Three Billy Goats Gruff is my daughters favorite book at the moment.

t

"cook some rice!"

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ColombianoGringo says on May 12, 2008, 10:13:

Hi troll, Welcome to PBH. Enjoy your stay until you're banned.

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lpdiver says on May 12, 2008, 10:14:

Or rammed into the river by the biggest Goat Gruff.

t

"cook some rice!"

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CatGirl says on May 12, 2008, 10:51:

CG - jajaja ;) Purrr

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

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Man Tequila says on May 12, 2008, 12:03:

People on this board portray themselves through what and how they choose to talk about.

Trolls just say any old thing.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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lpdiver says on May 12, 2008, 15:22:

I thought trolls said, " I'm coming up to eat you!"

t

"cook some rice!"

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Man Tequila says on May 12, 2008, 16:30:

That's what they say at first. But then they find some people aqround here are less appetizing than others. ;)

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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Desideria (Moderator) says on May 12, 2008, 21:16:

LOL LOL LOL

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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rocinante says on May 16, 2008, 16:11:

"That's what they say at first. But then they find some people aqround here are less appetizing than others. ;)" ManTeq

I have a question: Why don't cainibals eat clowns?


Because they taste funny



Good job on the latest release! At least 15 minute edit button limit works.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

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kat1 (Moderator) says on May 16, 2008, 16:16:

geeeez roci, i should flag that joke jejejjejej ;)))

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rocinante says on May 16, 2008, 16:38:

Howabout this one:

"yes, I agree with ColGr. Costenos are considered rude, lacking of respect for others, loud, ill mannered, lazy, and vulgar. I know is not nice, but that is the way it is. BTW not every one is considered as such! Cheers"

from the Bogotá scam aimed at gringos thread. Belongs in this thread as well.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

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kat1 (Moderator) says on May 17, 2008, 05:25:

funny they portray costeños like that where the most famous people in Colombia and the ones who have been showing the best of Colombia abroad are all costeños, Shakira, Gabriel Garcia Marquez, El pibe valderrama, El Happy Lora. El kid Pambele,
famous businessmen, although he was born in Panama Julio Mario Santo Domingo came from Costeño family, to name few.

La Cumbia originally from the coast came as a symbol of our typical dance abroad, el sombrero vueltiao one of the main symbol of Colombia abroad

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tomtom33 says on May 17, 2008, 05:37:

ALL Costeños? I didn't know that Botero was Costeño. My guess is that one or two Cachacos may have accomplished something.

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webmanco says on May 17, 2008, 05:39:

Don´t forget Elmo the World famous comeburra.

ones who have been showing the best of Colombia abroad

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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kat1 (Moderator) says on May 17, 2008, 05:47:

not to mention that in the last beauty peagents most of the winners have been Costeñas

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kat1 (Moderator) says on May 17, 2008, 05:49:

And Silvia Tscherassi, Famous Colombian Fashion Designer born in Cartagena

The Best warriors were the Tayronas frm the coast they fight up to the end that was they were extinct by the conquistadors, unlike the Andean Indians they gave up...

do i need to go on....

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elmodefoque says on May 17, 2008, 05:51:

comeburra jajajajajajaj

we all have our cross to bear and comeburra is one for costenos while my brothers from the south have to deal with such notoriety as violence, kidnapping, farc wars, drug wars, frio, techno music, gringo crazed women, burundanga, gamines, horrific poverty and so on, and so on, and so on.......

thank you

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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webmanco says on May 17, 2008, 05:51:

It is important that many are born in la Costa but Bogotá was of great help for many of them.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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kat1 (Moderator) says on May 17, 2008, 05:54:

i don't agree with that webmanco...that they expanded their talent nationally is another thing

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elmodefoque says on May 17, 2008, 05:56:

if not for curramba and the introduction of avianca most of my cachaco brothers would have to walk all the way to USA to get the hell outta colombia
Gee, that is one LOOOOOOOGGGGGG ass walk over mountains and jungles and chit, thru guatemanla, honduras, panama, mexico, nicargua
thank you

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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kat1 (Moderator) says on May 17, 2008, 05:59:

Carlos Vives
Diomedez
La toto monposina
Andrés Mauricio Cabas Rosales o cabas

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webmanco says on May 17, 2008, 06:00:

It's hardly surprising to learn that Shakira sailed through her schoolwork and, having been moved up several years, finished her education when she was 15. By this stage she had also found time to make two albums. Both bombed commercially, though safe in the knowledge that she was destined for greatness, Shakira wasn't deterred. At 16, the family moved to Bogota, where Shakira landed the main role in the soap El Oasis. "I was a very bad actress but I had a lot of fun," she remarks. "Besides, someone had to pay the bills."

Shakira´s father used to sell Mago Lorgia´s book trick among other things.

I could go on and on and on, but it is true there are many good knonw costeños, but maybe the only ones who Bogotá could not be and influence it is the baisball players.

Bogotá Land of Freedom and Oportunities :-) Thanks Kat for reminding it. Well I should not leave you out the list either Bogotá did have an influence in your family.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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elmodefoque says on May 17, 2008, 06:03:

i forget, thru costa rica too,
that would be like a 2 year walk

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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kat1 (Moderator) says on May 17, 2008, 06:08:

Enrique Grau Colombian artist, born in Panama but raised in Cartagena

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elmodefoque says on May 17, 2008, 06:09:

y el man ese que vende arepa con huevo perico en santa marta por el rodadero, es famoso tambien

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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rocinante says on May 17, 2008, 06:10:

Wilbur ond Orville Wright were Costeño but moved to Kitty Hawk where they were young. So it's not just Avianca my friends!

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

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elmodefoque says on May 17, 2008, 06:12:

y donde dejan el otro man que le sampo un coco en la cabeza de otro corroncho a la distancia de 2 cuadras
esa vaina salio en el heraldo

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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kat1 (Moderator) says on May 17, 2008, 06:17:

aaa claro Elmo, Renteria

and lets not forget Sofia Vergara

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elmodefoque says on May 17, 2008, 06:24:

sofia, the most beautiful broad to walk this planet, tipica barranquilllera del norte, asi me gustan

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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webmanco says on May 17, 2008, 06:25:

sofia, the most beautiful broad to walk this planet

I thought it was JL

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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webmanco says on May 17, 2008, 06:26:

Muchos costeños tienen influencia Libano Bogotano jajajaj

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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elmodefoque says on May 17, 2008, 06:27:

jlo has the most beautifull ass to walk this planet

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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webmanco says on May 17, 2008, 06:27:

And the most expensive toilet :-)

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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kat1 (Moderator) says on May 17, 2008, 06:30:

Webmanco like in many cities in the world unfortunately everything is centralized, unfortunately any person with a talent have to go to this big cities where they know they can have the opportunity, if every big city can provide that then nobody would have to move.
same here in the UK many talented people have to go to London where the biggest company or colleges are.

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webmanco says on May 17, 2008, 06:32:

Not kidding

:-)

thank you

That about sumarizes all the questions what city is better to move or to live in Colombia. Bogotá.

Thank you again..

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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kat1 (Moderator) says on May 17, 2008, 06:40:

but we are not talking about that don't we?
we are talking about the Costeños

and here for all of you

Dicen que no somos inteligentes, sin embargo el único cuatro veces presidente de la República, autor del Himno Nacional y la Constitución política de 1886, Rafael Núñez, fue costeño.

Dicen que somos poco cultos, sin embargo nuestro único premio Nobel se lo trajo un costeño, de quien dicen es el escritor vivo más importante en el mundo.

Que somos flojos y dejados, pero gracias a su dedicación, talento y perseverancia nuestra Shakira ha logrado posicionarse en un nivel que ningún otro latinoamericano había alcanzado, siendo su talento comparado al de Madonna y Britney Spears, las divas más grandes del pop.

Que somos corronchos, pero la primera latinoamericana que ha llevado su estilo a las pasarelas más importantes del mundo es Barranquillera (Silvia Tcherassi).

Que somos desordenados y que nos falta habilidad para los negocios, pero la organización más grande en Colombia la lidera un costeño, quien ya ha logrado posicionar su cerveza en el segundo lugar de América Latina.

Que no somos creativos. No obstante Carlos Vives ha contagiado al mundo entero un estilo absolutamente distinto a todos los que hemos escuchado....con un producto totalmente nuestro. O es que acaso los cachacos tienen alguna modelo que haya llegado más lejos que Sofía Vergara? ....algún futbolista más grande que el Pibe? ...o un beisbolista más exitoso que Rentería?... o un patinador con más medallas de Oro que la Chechy? Lo irónico de todo esto es que cuando escuchamos esto en nuestro país todos dicen orgullosos....ES COLOMBIANO! Así que la próxima vez que escuches uno de estos comentarios sobre los costeños pregunta antes, cuáles son los personajes que consideras han sacado la cara por nuestro país? Haz el ejercicio. No solo te darás cuenta que más de la mitad son costeños, si no que además es muy probable que uno de nosotros encabece la lista . Mándale este mensaje a tus amigos, pa' que se den cuenta quienes somos...... Ir a la Página Principal de Costamigos.Com click aqui

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webmanco says on May 17, 2008, 06:41:

Portraying of Colombian men & women on PBH
We are talking in general, and people are related to cities.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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kat1 (Moderator) says on May 17, 2008, 06:43:

but you are changing the subject now from Costeños to opportunities in the big cities , if that what you want then let's go ahead.,

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webmanco says on May 17, 2008, 06:44:

Tengo que salir a ganarme lo de la papita. "el almuerzo". Suerte.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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slguy says on May 17, 2008, 07:07:

why is it that when i hear "costena", my next thought is the stunning sofia? ;)

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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elmodefoque says on May 17, 2008, 07:43:

sofia, la tipica pela del norte de curramba

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PALEOLITICO says on May 17, 2008, 07:55:

Creo que cada uno percibe el mundo a su alrededor según su propia personalidad. (O su pobreza mental en algunos casos). En otras palabras: "EL LADRÓN JUZGA POR SU CONDICIÓN".

"Si tuvieras la fe del tamaño de una semilla de mostaza y le dijeras a esa montaña - Muévete - la montaña se movería"

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elmodefoque says on May 17, 2008, 08:05:

damnnn that's a nice ass on sofia
comio muchas caribanolas, butifarra y peto

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elmodefoque says on May 17, 2008, 08:19:

las tipica corronchas de curramba
now is time for my nap

AYDIOOOS and have a nice weekend

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kat1 (Moderator) says on May 17, 2008, 13:06:

but the point is no matter where he moved he is a Costeño just like Shakira or Sofia who live in the USA

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toneloc24 says on May 17, 2008, 13:32:

If anyone were to ask Carlos Vives if he were rolo or costeño, what do you think he'd respond without hesitation? Nice try on Bogota. And they are many vallenato artists doing just great without Bogota help. He just chose a different path.

Many, many people come to the USA for financial reasons, yet associate themselves more with where they are from, than where they are.

Some Colombians look down on costeños, and call them all kinds of negative stuff. But here's the truth. When a costeño makes it big, suddenly he/she is not "one of them (costeños)." He or she is "one of us." Or, he/she is different than the rest of the costeños. Hypocrisy.

Many Colombians wish they had the creativity and live as happy and apparently carefree as costeños do. To most costeños, money isn't everything, hence why they're not as inclined to leave their families behind in Colombia.

Here's a list of internationally positively-influential Colombians and businesses from the coast, I challenge someone to put up a similar list of folks from the interior.

Avianca
Santo Domingo family
"Gabo" Gabriel Garcia Marquez
Botero
Shakira
Carlos Vives
"El Pibe" Carlos Valdarrama
Joe Arroyo
Sofia Vergara
Edgar Renteria
Orlando Cabrera
Angie Cepeda

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Tinto (Moderator) says on May 17, 2008, 13:47:

Fernando Botero doesn't belong on the list - he spent his time in Medellin, Bogota, New York City, Europe and Mexico.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on May 17, 2008, 13:48:

fernando Botero is not Costeño he is paisa

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huskie says on May 17, 2008, 14:26:

My GOD! Botero is NO costeno, don't ever say that! Jeez....
Also, in the SantoDomingo Family there are a lot of Paisas.
The Echavarrias, The Toro Family, The Restrepos, Jaramillos, Saldarriagas, Londonos, Uribes, Pelaez, Villegas, Montoyas... all well known owners of the biggest business in Colombia... Writters, Constructors, Golfers, Athletes, in the medical field, and many many more...ever heard of Coltejer, Peldar, Avianca was owened by paisas until it was sold to the Brazilian Guy, cannot remember his name, Pintuco, Bancolombia, Grupo Antioqueno etc. just check them out, please. You might have never heard of them though.
Cheers

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-"

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toneloc24 says on May 17, 2008, 14:31:

My bad on Botero.

Outside of Colombia, does anyone know the others?

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slguy says on May 17, 2008, 14:36:

as a former marlins fan, i know one of 'em. ;)

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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kat1 (Moderator) says on May 17, 2008, 14:40:

well i know montoya, and uhmmmmmmmmmmmm not maybe they are famous just in Colombia

wasn't avianca owned by the Santodomingos? and they are Costeños,

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Desideria (Moderator) says on May 17, 2008, 14:42:

Juan Pablo Montoya, Juanes are paisas well-known outside of Colombia. Better known than some of the coste~no list. (Sorry I'm having trouble with my keyboard). Coste~nos seem to excell in some sports and entertainment, but there are few prominent scientists and besides García Marquez, few writers or artists. García Márquez started his career as a writer in Bogotá too.

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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kat1 (Moderator) says on May 17, 2008, 14:44:

desi, but doesn't matter were they started or promote their career the thing is the were born on the coast and the coast have "brew" the most famous Colombians abroad :)))

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kat1 (Moderator) says on May 17, 2008, 14:46:

here in the UK no many people know Juanes, but ask for Shakira and everybody knows her or Gabo and el pibe

I tell one famous Colombian and he was not Costeño Plabo Escobar :)

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kat1 (Moderator) says on May 17, 2008, 14:49:

we have nada mas y nada menos que Rafael Nuñez author of national hymn and the politic constitution of 1886, 4 times president of Colombia. :)))

no matter where they go Costeño son :))))

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Desideria (Moderator) says on May 17, 2008, 14:52:

You'd be surprised, Kat, but Juanes is a big star ...in Finland! You can here his music all over, as background music in supermarkets, shopping centers, radio, cafes...

As performing artists and entertainers, yes, I'd say that coste~nos have a slight advantage over the rest of the country, but not as writers or scientists.

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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kat1 (Moderator) says on May 17, 2008, 14:54:

sorry desi, but here Juanes is not that famous, maybe in London because of the latino community,
but here nope, not many hardly.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on May 17, 2008, 14:55:

here in the UK the most famous latinoamerican singer have been Shakira, and ricky martin

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kat1 (Moderator) says on May 17, 2008, 15:06:

oh before i forget one of the best colombian journalist and writer. Juan Gossain born in San Bernando del viento
Cordoba (paisano)

and me of course... famous Costeña in wales LOL :)))

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Lisa Zee says on May 17, 2008, 16:49:

Desi I can not imagine listening to Juanes in Finland, WOW I think I would get a hear attack!. He is on his world tour. I would love to see him in Europe, he was excelente here in Los Angeles, I have loved his music and lyrics from the start, so listening and seeing him was to me like an out of body experience!

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Peter (Moderator) says on May 18, 2008, 00:27:

Hey Rubito, tell us more about the music scene that you feel is breaking out now...?

Poor but snappy

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toneloc24 says on May 18, 2008, 02:21:

Rubito - Name BOGOTA born and bred artists who've positively impacted the music scene in Colombia's favor.

There is no secret to why the just about most of Colombia's talent is born on the coast. It's called SOUL. Money ain't soul, no matter how you cut it. As a musician, you gotta respect that, at the very least. Go to the coast PERSONALLY and see for yourself.

Outside of Colombia, and primarily in Bogota and maybe Medellin, who the fuck knows the folks you're talking about????

Cali??? Salsa central of Colombia.
Barranquilla/Valledupar/La Guajira - Vallenato, merengue
Cartagena - Champeta
Medellin - Depends on where you go, but salsa primarily
Other places - Vallenatos, cumbias
Bogota - Who cares?

Where does Soda Estereo and Aterciopelados fit into that?

How many Colombians know who the fuck they are? Seriously. You can ask someone on the plane from the USA to Colombia, their response 95% of the time will be "Who? What?" Ask the same exact people about the folks I listed, I can guarantee they will know EXACTLY who they are 95% of the time.

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elmodefoque says on May 18, 2008, 02:57:

juanes famous in findand?
first of all, where the hell on earth is this finland???
if you have not made it in the United States of America, USA, Gringolandia, the land of the mighty green dollars, then you suck!
AterciPeaVaina what?? what the fok is that?
THe most famous group to come outta bogota son el trio los fokin ponchos, 60 years ago
i was a teenager when they were famous
aqui estan

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elmodefoque says on May 18, 2008, 03:17:

I personally find this video facinating for two reasons
first, the blonde broad looks just like the barranquillera that ripped me off
and second, they are fokin smoking indooors. HOw fokin disgustin is that?
I could not last 2 minutes in that rooom with alll that smoke
all that second hand smoke going around

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Desideria (Moderator) says on May 18, 2008, 04:20:

That blonde hair matched with those black eyes looks extremely weird.

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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huskie says on May 18, 2008, 04:40:

Oh! But there are lots of " blonde" wanbees in the Coast....HAHA!! and movie stars wanabees as well...
Cheers

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-"

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elmodefoque says on May 18, 2008, 05:34:

rubi, let me learn you about the colombian mind, nobody stifled nobodys creativity in bogota or any of that chit. bogota is a andean injun city , they aint got much creativity, music wise. look at peru.ecuador and bolivia.
you need SOUL to be musically creative thus the reason why la costa del norte de colombia, santo domingo, puerto rico, cuba etc. have so much talent
Andean injuns are very conservative, solome sad people.
why? i dont foking know but that's the way it is
Andean music is sad.
you wanna hang yourself, listen to el condor pasa
que condor ni que fokin pasa

thank you

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elmodefoque says on May 18, 2008, 05:37:

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elmodefoque says on May 18, 2008, 05:44:

barranquillla is a city of mostly very spanish, arab and black
i'm the only fokin injun in all curramba, but i'm a costal injun, very different from them ijuns from the andeas
guajiro injuns like me like to get drunk and fight. andean injuns like to pick potatoes and go up and dowm mountains

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elmodefoque says on May 18, 2008, 06:01:

when not listening to gringo devil music some PROUD young bogotanos enjoy their music. very sad but very andean.
notice the very noticible andean injun faces on them, that thar is a very bogotano look



LA RAZA ES FUERTE HERMANO!! LA SANGRE LLAMA

ONE LAST COMMENT, THEM LITTLE POTATOES FROM BOGOTA ARE THE BEST!!!!

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kat1 (Moderator) says on May 18, 2008, 06:44:

lol Elmo

people from the coast are extrovert, confident, happy, that's why they produced so many artists, that they don't have the facilities on the cost is another thing, but as i said in many countries this happens just like you are good at something and need to move away because your town doesn't provided the right university or college to do it.

My daughter example she is very good at drama (i don't know how you American call it) and she is moving away in Sept because here there is not a place, good schools where she can pursuit her talent , but the talent is there. most of the drama school are around London, and few in other big cities.

If she becomes famous nobody is going to say, London made her or Bristol, no they will said she studied in so and so but the main thing will be where she was born.

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tomtom33 says on May 18, 2008, 06:48:

If she's into drama, introduce her to PBH. We have a lot of drama queens here.

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elmodefoque says on May 18, 2008, 06:51:

cordobita, en curramba tienen los mejor recording studios in colombia.
todos esos grupos de valledupar y la guajira graban en curramba.
ni que bogota ni que perro muerto.
barranquillla tenia electricidad antes de toa ese gente en el sur.
we had the first radio stations in all colombia, why the fok would our musicians gotto bogota,
some of these guys have no idea what the helll they're talking about.
barranquilleros are responsible for civilizising most of colombia and you can take that to the bank
when my great great great great great granfather, field marshall wolfgang hamburger arrived in colombia, he began sending telephones, cars, radios and chit to el sur de colombia. those things were unknown to them

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elmodefoque says on May 18, 2008, 07:02:

todos esos manes dimones, binomio, ivan, zuletas, TODOS began recording in curraba that's why they paY homage to barranquilla in most of their songs.
dique bogota?? give me a freaking break.


hey tom, are you in cartagena now?

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kat1 (Moderator) says on May 18, 2008, 07:07:

Lots of talent here tomtom jejeje

I didn't know that Elmo, but because most of the main TV station are in Bogotá some unfortunately have to go there, but this doesn't mean Bogotá made them HELP them that is another thing,

By the way Juan Pablo Montoya was born in Bogota.

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elmodefoque says on May 18, 2008, 07:19:

yes they do have the main tv stations, but that's after we showed them how to hold a fokin camera.
as for music, no way!!!

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tomtom33 says on May 18, 2008, 07:19:

No, I am in Medellín.

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elmodefoque says on May 18, 2008, 07:24:

medellin????
i'm gonnna be in cartagena late next week. i'll be there specifically to chase hookers but need other guys (prefer gringos) with similar interest to accompany me.

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Tinto (Moderator) says on May 18, 2008, 07:31:

Discos Fuentes / CARTAGENA

Discos Fuentes is a record label based in Colombia. It was founded in 1934 in Cartagena, Colombia by Antonio Fuentes Estrada,[1] and was the first Colombian record label.[2] The label was instrumental in introducing African-based genres such as cumbia, fandango, and porro to Colombia.[3] The label has been described as "Colombia's version of Motown", peaking in the 1960s and early 1970s.[1] Discos Fuentes achieved a series of firsts for Colombia: the first compilation LP (1960), the first to release music on Compact disc (1987), and the first Laser disc released by a Latin America record label (1995).[2] While founder Estrada died in 1985, the late 1980s onwards saw the company expand into video production, and the takeover of labels including Discos Tropical and Curro.[2]

Sonolux / BOGOTA

Colombian state record label Sonolux, part of the Organizacion Ardila Lulle, is still on the look-out for an international partner, with a sale to Sony having gone unconfirmed. Talks with Mexican and Spanish labels have occurred whilst other multinationals such as Universal,Warner and EMI are also interested in becoming the international partner of Sonolux, Colombia's leading label (ahead of Codiscos and Fuentes). Sony has a Colombian market share of 31% follwed by Universal with 11.8 and ...

Prodiscos / BOGOTA

So, it looks like two out of three of today's big music companies are in Bogota but one of them is owned by Sony (I think). It's also incorrect to say the coast never had much in the way of music infrastructure.

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tomtom33 says on May 18, 2008, 07:32:

I moved here over a year ago. I still have my apartment in Laguito, but it is up for sale. Sorry to miss you.

I'm heading back to Wis. for the summer in a couple of weeks. My sandbar and bead business await.

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rocinante says on May 18, 2008, 15:58:

LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET'S not forget my favourite Costeña:



I would marry her tomorrow no questions asked.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

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PALEOLITICO says on May 18, 2008, 19:49:

Me gusta la música de esa canción. Y ella es bonita.

"Si tuvieras la fe del tamaño de una semilla de mostaza y le dijeras a esa montaña - Muévete - la montaña se movería"

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ColombianoGringo says on May 18, 2008, 19:58:

Si roci, esa Maia esta divina. También me derrite como canta.

Esa canción me da guayabo porque me recuerda de mi niña bonita. Este fin de semana compre el boleto para ir a la entrevista para su visa. Ya son muchos años así y ya es mas que hora para tenerla conmigo.

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ColombianoGringo says on May 18, 2008, 20:01:

Oye Tinto, hace rato puse un enlace a Discos Fuentes. Ahora venden muchos CDs y MP3 de su música incluyendo los inolvidables "14 Cañonazos Bailables".

http://www.discosfuentes.com/

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goin_south says on May 18, 2008, 23:14:

yeah, isn't it about time for her - Maia - to make/release some new music/album? Concert tour again? guess it's time to revisit her website.

Ciao! Gustav. Bienvenitos, Ike.

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toneloc24 says on May 19, 2008, 09:17:

Wow. Rubito finally gave in. Let's mark this as a special day in PBH history. LOL!!!

Seriously, Rubi, when you get to Colombia in August, as a musician, you really need to get to the coast and absorb. The live music and even recorded music being down there is ridiculous. The vallenato concerts alone show true master craftsmanship.

By the way, Elmo is 100% right. Joe Arroyo, Ivan Villazon, Diomedes, los Zuletos, etc. are all Colombian artists with 20 years in the music game who've never had to compromise themselves and/or come through Bogota. The newer breed of Silvestre Dangond, Peter Manjarrez, Jorge Celedon, Felipe Pelaez, the late Kaleth Morales, and even one of my buddies, Damien and Sus Tesoros (By The Rivers of Babylon cover) have not had to come through Bogota. Then, you have the champeta groups of Cartagena. These folks in these Colombian genres are living just fine, very popular, and touring the country and abroad, but based out of the coast and maybe Valledupar.

A couple of other things, while JP Montoya is very popular right now, esp. in Europe for obvious reasons, Colombia's most prominent sports figure to date is El Pibe. People everywhere know that dude, or of him and his run with the Colombian national team in the 90s. Then, there's the trademark hair and flare.

Edgar Renteria and Orlando Cabrera are making major strides in advancing baseball in Colombia, and getting to over to the next level. Colombia may even enter the next World Series of Baseball event.

Someone mentioned something about other than costeño, well-renown Colombian doctors and scientists, even businesses. Maybe someone can provide a list of these, I'm sure it's extensive.

Of course, I recognize Juan Valdez cafe. But, don't include Bancolombia in that list. That's like saying Bank of Argentina or Bank of Ecuador. While it might serve a purpose in that country, it's not very well-known outside of it. Avianca and the Santo Domingo family are costeño born and internationally known. Just trying to learn here too.

"Don't tase me, bro!!!!"

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MitchAlvarez says on May 19, 2008, 09:20:

que todos somos perros y prepagos no!!!!!!!!! que chismosos ome. haber pues pasame la botellita que ya viene mi grilla jajaj

"Ingrid callate la jeta!! Stay in France"

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toneloc24 says on May 19, 2008, 14:17:

What? If it ain't 70s soft rock, it ain't right?

You laugh at champeta, but never been in the environment (Cartagena) where it flourishes without help from Bogota???

What will you laugh at next? Vallenato, cumbia, porro?

"Don't tase me, bro!!!!"

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morphus says on May 19, 2008, 16:22:

"Much as I hate to admit it you dengue-suffering paraco loving motherfuckers really have led the way... HOWEVER..."

Funny one Rubito :)

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huskie says on May 19, 2008, 17:12:

JAJAJA!!! This guy toneloc24...does he know what he is talking about? He is not even Colombian yet he thinks he knows it all. LMAO. Champeta is going to the be the next winner in the world music charts!!!!
Cheers

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-"

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toneloc24 says on May 19, 2008, 21:36:

Where the fuck did I say champeta was some great music genre??? Where?

I said in Cartagena it flourishes and translates to places like Panama, as well as other Caribbean islands WITHOUT going through Bogota. In its context, it doesn't NEED Bogota to flourish. Many Colombian genre