por favor......please help

vicshere says on Jul 31, 2006, 17:17:

do like i did move to Colombia screw the son of a bitch....i hear he is living in a strato 1 hehehehe at least we are living well in a strato 3

listo
"con mucho gusto"
Vic

listo

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moondance says on Jul 31, 2006, 17:23:

strobers bad post can/t get rid of it...point being is this man is a bum...I have met him to release hisi daughter (she is six and he has seen her no more thatn 3 times in her life).......he is working the foreign money...fuck you...I will do 3 grand for him to sign papers (he drives a fucken' horse for christ sake).....other than that what can I do

Already got this six year old enrolled in private school (have 2 there, 1 universdity in canada)...yes /i am a man...but offering good education with my baby in my bed every night.....
offers please....anybody want to visit this asshole at 4 o'clock in the morning....the man offers nothing to society, but I temper myself....thoughout my frustruations, he is still a human being...pls help

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 31, 2006, 17:48:

I was under the impression that there was a legal method in.. Colombia to have the non-custodian parent declared to have "abandoned" a child, thus freeing the other parent to leave Colombia? Just give your post some time, and i am sure some of the veterans here are familiar with it. But as far as 10k vs 3k, it is like playing poker....loball him with $1500, but dont agree to more than what you set as an upper limit...I would go no more than what it would cost me to contract a lawyer to handle it. If he rides a horse, he might just settle for your last offer....but, keep a "poker face about you". A friend of mine had the same situation but the father was in the US illegally, but his whereabouts were known. It was suggested to him that if didnt want a visit by some friends of ours in "la migra" he should seriously consider signing the papers, which he promptly did. Good luck, and if you were really considering midnight visits, just do it and dont post on PBH....could come back to haunt you...=(

Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo...Listo!! Libertad!!!...Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

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moondance says on Jul 31, 2006, 18:06:

well said...miguel the man has no interesrest in his daughter's....the mother (who I love like there is no tomorrow), is soft and does not know what to do.....$10,000...I cannot afford it....but I can afford a trip back to b/quilla and maybe negogiate with him (trip tentatively set for august 29th).....but what gets me...if they are so happy over there, why would you wager your daughter and her hapiness....she needs to be with her mom.....maybe I am naive

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 31, 2006, 18:14:

If he is a deadbeat daddy, he wrote the daughter off a long time ago. He is just a greedy oppurtunist, and sometimes bad things happen to bad people....its just terrible, but it does happen....but my guess is that if given the +/- $1500 or nada, he will opt for the plata.......human nature.....then, see if it is possible to squeeze some money out of him for past child support or an equivalent, if possible...You know the players more than anyone here, but a word of caution, only something to think about: (and not meant to insinuate anything toward anyone or insult anyone in your relationship) Dont get scammed out of 10K AND lose the love of your life at the same time.....that has been known to happen too! Cuidado, moondance!

Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo...Listo!! Libertad!!!...Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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moondance says on Jul 31, 2006, 19:52:

yup we can work with that small minds....just got off the phone with my woman(tust me she is educated and knows what is going on)....the boy (her mistake) wnats to build a business...has a horse and carriage and wand wants 4 more of each...guess what...I am carrying my ass in 4 weeks to barranquilla...sure I will buy him more.....but I will fuck him big time...trust me....will cost me $1200 for 2 horses and 2 carriages but by the the second day of hi meanderings (this is after papeles are all signed) mi amigos...la policia, will find 2 kgr,s under the seat.....IO've been on th ephone all night....it is a done deal feeling so good....why am doing this with all the risks.....I Do Not Give a shit......revenge is sweet
(it is better to travel hopefully than it is to arrive)

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 31, 2006, 20:11:

Like i mentioned...sometimes bad things happen to bad people and that is just terrrrible!!!

Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo...Listo!! Libertad!!!...Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Gator says on Jul 31, 2006, 20:13:

File the Case with the family court in Barranquilla and seek an order giving sole custody to mom and including permission to exit Colombia with the child. DAS will accept this and allow the child to leave,.

"Brevior Sltare Cum Deformibus Mulieribus Est Vita!" .

"Credidi pretio parvo emere et magno vendere tibi in animo fuisse!" .

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miamimike says on Jul 31, 2006, 20:51:

Gator Offers the Best advice I wouldn't anty up one red cent,,,could be a scam in the making,,,,,Go the legal way of the court. I have never heard of one of these payoffs going well.My Buddy's future father in law(BQA) asked my Buddy to pay $500 for immigrant documents sent to his fiancee for completion. The Father confiscated the enverlope and attempted to hold them for a Ransom while the daughter was at work.LOL My Buddy didn't pay up-he sent all new Documents at great pains; Turns out now(he is divorced as the marriage didn't work) afterwards he learned(my buddy) the Daughter(his fiancee) may have been involved in the scam,, proceed with caution my Friend,,,,

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billyb says on Jul 31, 2006, 21:32:

Moondance, stay away from... the shit you want to stash. You will be dealing with people that don't play games and might try extort you or worse.

BillyB

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aztec says on Aug 1, 2006, 03:23:

Warning... ...Follow the advice of Gator. The process will allow you time to discover many things.

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gabo4ever says on Aug 1, 2006, 04:46:

Moondance.. Seriously consider thoroughly the advice AGAINST the plan you've got in mind. Go through the courts, Aztec, summarised it perfectly above.

Give it some time, love is patient!

Y por si se atreven: Watsamatamaracuya?

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moondance says on Aug 1, 2006, 04:58:

good advice seriously though, I will never do anything illegal....yesterday's talk was just pent up frustrations. Mi novia will follow the family court route and it should not be a problem , especially since the father has never had anything to do with the child
(it is better to travel hopefully than it is to arrive)

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lost says on Aug 1, 2006, 09:19:

cheap, easy, quick, no direct violence. i can put you in contact with some "dodgey" friendly people, who wouldn't mind making a quick buck or two.

alternativly pick up the las paginas amarillas, and look for "private security". you can hire your very own soldier goon for just $20 USD a day, gun included. although this is protection price. using your "soldier" for other purposes is a little more costly.

good luck compadre, you've got your heart in the right place, that being your fist. godspeed!

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tomtom33 says on Aug 1, 2006, 09:34:

Playing Solomon, I would ask him if he wanted to pay for her upbringing or let you do it. And I'd offer him nothing.

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bamapits3 says on Aug 3, 2006, 00:10:

Lost, contact me at bamapits3 at yahoo.com , I think your persons services could be needed. Thank you.

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moondance says on Aug 3, 2006, 05:57:

update........ wife-to-be spoke at lenght with lawyer yesterday.....this is what she told me (verbadim)
"el abogado decirme que juez no puede darme permiso para salir Marce ('su hija'), sin el consentimiento de su papa....decirme solo puede darte custodio pero no permiso por salir...me dice eso no es posible, porque ('su hija') tienes apellidos del papa......
well, only option now is to convince the s.o.b. to sign the papers.....any comments?

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robi666 says on Aug 3, 2006, 15:58:

Moondance, a father has got the right to have his daughter near. But, if you are sure, I mean really sure, that he is asking money to sign his permission and he does not care a shit about his daughter (did he ask money to you directly?), and he never gave a pesos to his ex, then "Plata o Plomo" works great in Colombia with low estrato s.o.b.
Sit down, talk to him nicely and firmly and offer him 1000 USD. If he says no, spend 500 dollares and send him a couple of guys, guns at hand, to offer him 500 with a smile, sayin': "El Patron estas muy molesto, ma te ofrece 500 dolares y su amistà".
If you are not ready to play the game and she's much younger than you, if you are not the kind, then choose an upper estrato girlfriend. Sorry, but good chances that she will leave you anyway, sooner or later.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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Miguel_Clavo says on Aug 3, 2006, 18:04:

What if she claims that the father "abandoned" the child and she has no idea where he is, or if he is even alive? but go to a different lawyer this time...=) I was under the impression that it would be a slam dunk per Gator, but you may want to shop around and get a few opinions from different lawyers.....but if you do pay, start real lowwwwwwwwwww in price...establish his greed level....

Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo...Listo!! Libertad!!!...Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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pedro says on Aug 3, 2006, 19:10:

A couple of ideas Just throwing a couple of ideas into the mix.

1) Get male members of her family to sort it out with the father. Say that you want it to happen (the travel order for the child). But you back Colombians to handle it with more finesse and smarts than you would.

2) File a court order chasing up the father for past and future child support, default, whatever. With the aim of getting a lien put over anything he owns. This would give you a better negotiating position. And that's also just my nature. I can be every bit as stubborn and bloody minded as the next guy.

I agree with the other guys that you don't want to go down the intimidation route. In Colombia, sometimes you are the player and sometimes you get played. The consequences of entering into this situation and coming off second best are too unpleasant to contemplate.

I think you should also consider rationally how far you want to go with this whole process, where it may lead you, and at what point you would be better off just walking away.

que nota!

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moondance says on Aug 3, 2006, 19:35:

sorry guys sorry but a woman is not just a woman...you do not fall in love...you decide to love. b.t.w. the daugther is a sweet girl and I have accepted her to fall in love with this woman (I am not an idiot, been around the block)...but must deal with this hombre...will do nothing illegal just try to reason....he thinks if she leaves, then his mother should have the child (grandma raising 2 others from his so-called relationships, with not a dime from him).....this 6 yr old from my woman is well raised and mother has done everything for her....so fuck him to try to stop a good education elsewhere....she would go to same private school as my 2 other children and university eventually...and no...I am not being used by this woman....stop being so cinical, sometimes things are as they appear

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nine inch nails says on Aug 3, 2006, 19:50:

WORK THE BUREACRACY AGAINST THE DEADBEAT PADRE Do what Gator recs. especially if you can produce a pile of paperwork (emails, whatever) that support your extremely good intentions. Just may take a little time but she is still young.

Buenas suerte!

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utopiacowboy says on Aug 3, 2006, 21:36:

I love this thread with everyone debating the proper legal proceedings. You'd think everyone was talking about a country with a functioning legal system. Come on, PBSH, you know perfectly well what a Colombian would do in a similar situation. And it wouldn't be filing a lawsuit or calling a cop. The humanity! The naivete!

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gabo4ever says on Aug 4, 2006, 03:20:

UC You are correct, we all know what a Colombian would do. But M.dance is NOT Colombian, does NOT live in Colombia, nor does he have enough experience in Colombia, to act like one.

Foronce you are not being sarcastic or synical, but offering your advice and I respect that, but to suggest he goes in guns strutting, like a Colombian would do, would be foolish to say the least.

Some good advice has been given in regards to the legal route, and some good regarding the other route. But being a Colombian I must say, he must think first, rather than regret later!

La Felicidad es un Don o simplemente una reaccion?

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moondance says on Aug 9, 2006, 06:01:

update........... well, it went as expected. As I've mentioned before, local legal advice was that mainly because the nina has the same last name as the biological father (biological being the operative word as he has not contributed a dime to the child's upbringing), it will not be posible for the 'judicio' to grant permision for the child to leave with the mother. Furthermore, mi novia tried again to plead with this asshole, citing the fact that she is the mother and the possibilities that will be available for the child. In the end, he told her he was going to the police to say she tried to bribe him for him to sign for permission (although he had mentioned the figure of $10,000 last month).....What is one to do? I love my woman and I know she will not be complete living with me without her daughter and I do not want to tear her away from her child. I personally have 3 children of my own and I see them most days although they live with their mother 70% of the time.
In the end, I told her to proceed through legal channels although it may prove to be futile.......why does love have to be so difficult?

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Boatygringo says on Aug 11, 2006, 08:11:

Re Help The way it's done in Colombia is top pay some one c $200.000 and he will disapear or for $100.000. some one will make him change his mind on the price. Boatygringo

Boatygringo

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moondance says on Aug 11, 2006, 08:49:

thanks Brody tu es exacto de que tu escribir....that is exactly what I told her to do...she will come here to the bahamas in 3 to 4 weeks (sin su hija), stay for 2 months, then go back for a bit....
We were hoping to put her in private school here in january where my other children go, but if we have to wait till September....so be it
I told her to go for the jugular for support payments....it is a process, perhaps not timely, however, as my Mom used to say "good things happen to those thar wait"

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moondance says on Aug 11, 2006, 12:53:

brody mi amigo I have 3 of my own, one paying mucho dineros to put thru" university...I am a good guy abnd my woman is a good 'madre'....she doesn't care about the money from the biological father..., he is just an sshole who is "putting the stops into a happy life"...we have good schools here where my children attend and already figured for 4 months her daughter would spend time learning nothing more than english...the comes the math, science and computers....but if he was any kind of father, he would let her go....yes , brody, there is prejudice on my part, but if the father hasn't done anything with the child since birth....then why stop opportunitu for a better life....my wife to be (her mother) is in tathers....I cannot ask to chose between me and her daughter

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moondance says on Aug 11, 2006, 12:58:

brody stupid with url brody, i am a novice and cannot figure out how to send pictures...they tell me establish an url...i cannot...but ith e-mailcan sen u pics so u can seewhat I am speaking iof

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