Poorbuthappy Get together

Christinalkc says on Nov 15, 2004, 16:04:

hurrah..... first one to agree!!

christina

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fre4077 says on Nov 15, 2004, 16:35:

I would love to do it!

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mad_lion says on Nov 15, 2004, 17:03:

love to.....but what city did you have in Mind to meet?

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Christinalkc says on Nov 15, 2004, 17:13:

how about bogota?? i guess majority is in bogota, cierto??

christina

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Lizzy says on Nov 15, 2004, 17:16:

How about a Sunday afternoon in Bogota...? We are definitely up for meeting with fellow poor but happy people!
What do you reckon...any suggestions on where to meet?

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Christinalkc says on Nov 15, 2004, 17:25:

how about a lunch and coffee?????

christina

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elisabeth says on Nov 15, 2004, 19:29:

Sounds good! Yeah, Lizzy and i are up for lunch and coffee on Sunday - where and when?

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degrazier says on Nov 15, 2004, 23:54:

hola Arriving in Bogota on the 18th (Thursday I think?). Down to hang out no doubt. If someone would like to drink a beer (ie. 2 bottles of aguadiente) give me a mail!

Dom

Suerte

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MJ says on Nov 16, 2004, 01:48:

good idea Arriving in bogota on the 6th of december
just post details where and when

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Tom says on Nov 16, 2004, 05:49:

what about the people which can not go to Bogota because they are living in Medellin, maybe they also like to meet for drink and talk in Medellin someday ??!!

hasta la vista

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argtat says on Nov 16, 2004, 06:18:

sounds very good arriving in bogota on the 7 of dec let us know the details!

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ColombiaBoard says on Nov 16, 2004, 07:59:

For those living in Medellin For those who live / stay in Medellin, we can meet there for coffee / drinks sometime. Just let me know.

colombia at saexplorers.org

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william_andrew_channell says on Nov 16, 2004, 10:03:

good idea, but... Why don't we all get together and go "rumbeating" at Primero de Mayo. If you want to get away from all the stupid beautiful people and get with real Colombians, this is the place to go. Forget pop and expensive cocktails, the real party is vallenatos, norteñas, some cold Aguilas and Nectar.

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ColombianoX says on Nov 16, 2004, 10:22:

"Forget pop and expensive cocktails, the real party is vallenatos, norteñas, some cold Aguilas and Nectar. "

Norteñas? I think you meant cumbia.


Does anyone wants to hold a get together for the US chapter of Poorbuthappy?


ColombianoX

'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

ColombianoX 'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

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Miguel says on Nov 16, 2004, 10:30:

Por supuesto que si, Colombiano X! Donde y cuando?

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william_andrew_channell says on Nov 16, 2004, 11:42:

Not cumbias, norteñas You know, the mexican music, corridos, los Tigres del Norte. BTW, Los Tigres are coming to Bogotá Dec. 11, I think. The best group to play Corferias, ever. In case you didn't know, norteñas are the (pardon the term I'm about to use) ñero drinking music of choice. If you doubt it, go down to the corner store and see what music they're listening to. If they aren't listening to norteñas, you're living in a boring neighborhood.

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ColombianoX says on Nov 16, 2004, 12:13:

William,

Yes, I know what norteño music is and as far as I know, my people in Colombia do NOT listen to that garbage. The kind of mexican music that is most popular in Colomba is 'ranchera' music, which is of great quality. Here in the US, we hispanics are constantly bombarded with that norteño cacophony on spanish-langauge network Univision and that is why many non-mexican hispanics have become fed up with that station. Here is South Florida, that kind of music gets no airplay at all. The day that kind of music starts catching on in Colombia will mark the beginning of decay in Colombian culture.
The music you've probably heard on those corner stores is probably what is known as 'carrilera' music, which might sound a little like norteño music, but is distinctively colombian. You never hear those awful trombone sounds in the background in carrilero music.

ColombianoX

'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

ColombianoX 'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

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Tom says on Nov 16, 2004, 12:14:

ColombiaBoard, Medellin sound good to me, i'll be back on the 1st of Dec. in Medellin, I would say lets meet and have a drink somewhere, LA 33 or El Pobldo or where ever.
maybe some more people are also interested

torsten_kroeger at hotmail.com

hasta la vista

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ColombianoX says on Nov 16, 2004, 12:26:

Miguel,

I live in south Florida. Where are you?


ColombianoX

ColombianoX 'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

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Peter (Moderator) says on Nov 16, 2004, 12:47:

What a brilliant idea! Poorbuthappy readers are from all over the globe, so I'm sure we can organize many meetings. If you do organize a meeting, make sure to take pictures and post them here afterwards. If there is anything I can do to help just let me know.

Poor but snappy

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william_andrew_channell says on Nov 16, 2004, 13:46:

Norteña - ColombianoX ColombianoX:
With all due respect, you don't know what you're talking about.
Of course, I know the difference between Ranchera, Norteña, and Carrilera.
Go downtown and look at the pirate CDs and try to find one person who doesn't sell a copy of "Corridos Prohibidos" or "Los Tigres del Norte". Just go to any little corner beer store in any of the non-upper class neighborhoods of Bogotá and see what they have on the jukebox. If you want, I can take you to several tonight after I leave work...
Oops, I forgot, YOU DON'T LIVE IN BOGOTA, so you don't know what you're talking about. I don't care what they play or don't play in South Florida, we're talking about Bogotá. Just give me your phone number and I will call you tonight and let you hear all the Norteña that, according to you, the people here don't listen to. End of story.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Nov 16, 2004, 13:48:

I love carrrilera specially cuando uno esta despechado hehehe
i've been in primera de mayo ia the new zona rosa so of the places are cool

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Lauthra says on Nov 16, 2004, 14:50:

I'm up for it at Bogota We should really organise this get together cos it sounds like fun, perhaps in las Zona Rosa a Saturaday night?
BTW, la primera de Mayo is not a very niceplace, I think making a bunch of extranjeros go there is a silly idea. *shivers*

Nato (='.'=)

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litost says on Nov 16, 2004, 15:01:

gringoinbogota, you are being overly paranoic. NOBODY here is proposing meeting up in some obscure part of the colombian countryside. Most likely it would be in a bar or cafe, in a well known safe area of a city... anyways, I seriously doubt the would-be kidnappers are english-speaking or would even think of looking at this site for victims.

But if your decision is to live in fear to that extent, it's up to you... I think many of us take the necessary precautions but don't wanna deprive ourselves of a simple get together because it's.... oooohh... so scary... "Colombia".

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villdkatta says on Nov 16, 2004, 15:14:

Sounds great to me! I won't be down there for awhile but would love to sometime. Sounds like a great idea.

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ColombianoX says on Nov 16, 2004, 16:50:

William,

Well, I'm sorry to hear that. I thought the rolos were more sophisticated than that. But I know that music definitely isn't popular among the colombians who live in the US.


ColombianoX

'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

ColombianoX 'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

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litost says on Nov 16, 2004, 20:31:

Yeah, very gringo thing to do... surprising since I'm 100% colombian.

Are your bogotano friends the type who never leave the capital because they fear the minute they leave "civilization" they're gonna be attacked by the rest of us barbaric colombians from the province?

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Nov 17, 2004, 01:44:

Lauthra I now the primera de mayo is no as trndy as the zona rosa but is getting there,like the shopping centre plaza de las americas is one of the best in Bogota. I go to the primera de mayo and I feel safer there, is a lot of police around. and I have seen quite a few foreigners.I don't know what to call safe, because the zona rosa is famous for foreigners that's why more pickpockets go there,more prostitues,and there are more drugs.for me personally i don't feel safe in there.and I aggre with litost 100% with the paranoid.and with William-Andrew, is nice to get out of the zona rosa everybody there is just a "posser".try and explore a bit more out of that area.

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British Paisa says on Nov 17, 2004, 02:06:

I am up for the get together in Medellin, let me know when it is going to be. Unfortunately I am not that organized and therefore will not volunteer to arrange anything, so whoever takes the job on let me know.
daratizon at hotmail.com

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william_andrew_channell says on Nov 17, 2004, 02:51:

Way to go Kat1 Finally, somebody who agrees with me about the stupid Zona Rosa. We should get together some time and hang out. I never hang out with the other gringos here because they always do the same stupid things in the same stupid places. Contact me Kat and we can hang out.

william_andrew_channell at hotmail.com

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Nov 17, 2004, 03:29:

william-andrew do you live in Bogota? Where in primera de mayo have you been,Have you been in plaza de las Americas.I WILL CONTACT YOU.

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Lauthra says on Nov 17, 2004, 07:02:

Litost litost I think you're being a bit narrow-minded, nothing wrong with being cautious, just cos someone is in Colombia, doesn't mean they are "living in fear", I'm 100% percent colombian, and I take precautions everywhere I go.
I understand what you're saying gringoinbogota, makes sense!

Nato
www.theburrow.co.uk

Nato (='.'=)

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Lauthra says on Nov 17, 2004, 07:03:

Primera de Mayo On the Primero de Mayo issue, so I have to hang out at a place I in all honesty consider dumpy to not be a "poser"? How absurd. Each to their own.

Nato

Nato (='.'=)

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jmmyers says on Nov 17, 2004, 08:22:

medellin im up for meeting in medellin. it looks like people are interested but theres no place/date set. ive only been here a month so im probably not the best person to ask for a place. could someone suggest something?

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william_andrew_channell says on Nov 17, 2004, 08:49:

Primero de Mayo is a dump? I'm not sure that I would consider the Primero de Mayo dumpy. What exactly is dumpy in your opinion?

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Lauthra says on Nov 17, 2004, 10:39:

Nato (='.'=)

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goosekirk says on Nov 17, 2004, 14:22:

Rubs me the wrong way, sorry Speaking as a gringo, it seems a lot more "typical gringo" to me to cower in fear at everything, and not use the scary internet to meet other gringos in scary Bogota. You know, I have a picture of me sitting in the precise spot where the hand grenade landed at the BBC just a few weeks before the attack last year (does that give me some kind of cred, by the way?). And I remember how the next night it reopened and it was packed full of Colombians... while the Americans ran and hid. I was told that the US embassy forbade their people from going to the popular bars for some time, and that the Americans then congregated in one bar somewhere instead of being spread out across 82 and 93 like normal. If true, that would really be typical gringo - use fear of harm to justify a policy that actually puts you more in harm's way... but as long as Authority tells them it's safer, the gringos will go along with it!

Although, I'm baffled by this notion that people wouldn't use a website to plan to meet in real life in America. It happens every day in America. Hell, Howard Dean nearly scored the presidential nomination using this concept. Meetup.com wouldn't exist if everyone in America were really this nervous-nelly.

What bugs me about the American culture of fear is the abundance of hysterical handwringing and lack of actual foresight. What is it you think might happen in this case? Someone might show up who doesn't like Americans, or who doesn't like what you wrote and wants to punch you out? Yeah, right. Terrifying. Or maybe the FARC is monitoring this board, just waiting for the ripe opportunity to take out a few backpackers? Sure, because all the Evildoers in Colombia can't figure out where the hell those sneaky Americans are hiding, and they're waiting for their Web Intel people to track us down. Right. Like anyone who wanted to chuck a hand grenade at a bunch of Americans couldn't just do it at the English Pub any night of the week, or the Irish Pub, or the BBC, or the Hard Rock, etc etc... no, they need to track us down using the Internets, because we're normally sooo elusive and wily and, gosh darn us, just blend right in.

And what, precisely, would be the security difference between meeting in a restaurant or a bar? Under what scenario would the restaurant meeting prevent violence that the bar permits? I can't imagine a plausible one. As long as we're being so cautious for no apparent reason, why don't we just rent a convention hall with armed security checking passports at the door? Maybe hang a big banner over the front that says, "AMERICANS ONLY?" That way we'd be sure to keep out them scary foreigners and be safe!

I do agree that people traveling overseas do tend to lose their heads a little, and that in Bogota, like anywhere, one needs to exercise some degree of caution. But if you think it's "stupid" that people want to meet up via a website, then shake your head at us idiots and click the back button. Unless you've got something better than just vague handwringing, there's really no call to try to instill your fear in the rest of us.

I really do apologize if this is all kinds of rude... I don't mean it to be, and I don't mean to take it all out on gringoinbogota, who I have no doubt means well. It's just a personal beef with me - I've been hearing so much of this sort of stuff from so many Americans for the past three years, and I'm just so incredibly sick to death of all the idiotic terror alerts and duct tape and taking off shoes at the airport and all the other fearmongering tactics employed by the US government and media... so, sorry, gringoinbogota, for taking it out on you! I'm just venting my frustration with what I see as the current gringo zeitgeist.

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Lionheart says on Nov 17, 2004, 14:51:

I agree goosekirk I lived in Germany during the Baader-Meinhoff hayday. You never knew what would blow up next and me and my car were searched at every road block because I was a long-haired hippy back then. I was in France when bombs were tossed around a few years later. I traveled through French/Spanish Basque country when the Basques where pretty active. Even today in Eastern Europe you never know when you will be served date-rape drugs (happened to me twice in Pilsen) or just plain get shot, because it is easier to rob you then. I survived, because I was cautious and used common sense. I believe the same applies to Colombia. Hovering in fear in the USA and getting killed in a drive-by shooting while you go shopping seems a larger risk to me... or get beaten to pulp by a baseball bat in road rage ....

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goosekirk says on Nov 17, 2004, 16:41:

Oh yeah, and... Count me in for meeting up, please! goosekirk at gmail.

And yeah, Lionheart, that's true as well. I took my Colombian girlfriend to Los Angeles for a few weeks, and one night I was helping her out of the car in front of our hotel in Venice Beach, and a guy walking right behind me dropped his handgun out of his freaking sweatpants onto the sidewalk. I wasn't particularly surprised, but my girlfriend sure was. The next day we visited with an old friend of mine who asked with concern, like every American, golly, isn't Colombia dangerous? He looked confused when we both laughed. DUDE, YOU LIVE IN LOS ANGELES! Think about it!

Any American who thinks Colombia is really so much scarier than the US obviously hasn't spent a summer night driving around north Flint, Michigan... and I haven't seen any Force Protection handbooks for Flint!

I love, by the way, how they tell us gringos not to ride the buses or hail a taxi on the street. Oh, for the love of god, DON'T ride the buses! Yeah, there's only about 14 million buses and taxis roaming the streets every day. But you don't hear anyone telling someone going to New York City, for the love of god, don't go near any tall buildings! You've seen what can happen!

Although, maybe they do say that in Oklahoma. I guess I wouldn't know.

Anyway, for a country of immigrants and classic tough guys, the wussiness and xenophobia of modern America is really depressing. I'm just glad Steve McQueen isn't alive to see us now. And when you've got a diehard liberal saying that, you know there's a problem.

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utopiacowboy says on Nov 17, 2004, 17:02:

I laughed at your comments, goosekirk. My wife and I always hail taxis in the street in Medellin. We have only had one bad experience, unless you count the time that she exited the cab headfirst while wearing a really short skirt (although for the cab driver I am sure he counted that as a REALLY good experience!).

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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ColombiaBoard says on Nov 17, 2004, 18:44:

Poorbuthappy Meeting in Medellin For those interested in a Poorbuthappy meeting in Medellin, send your messages to colombia at saexplorers.org and we´ll see when and where we can meet.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Nov 18, 2004, 01:30:

I dont say to meet everybody there but i dont think is dangerous,I have been in the north,south east and west of Bogota every part has its bad and good places.Although my favourite are the little bars in the center of Bogota.Zona Rosa is became a dumpy place too is no the same zona rosa that I use to know in the early years,is becoming a bit more dangerous,even some of the managers of the bars sell drugs.is more drug rape in the zona rosa than in any other part of Bogota, And that was a report in the newspaper "Eltiempo".I used to live by pimms and this part is so comercialised,I've seen more robbery now.more pickpockets. I am scare sometimes of a bomb in the north than in the south.that place change so much and now even the rich people knows that because they are going now to la Calera,Chia,that is the new Zona rosa for them.And for the south? From the zona rosa I moved to El rincon de los angeles in Avenida las Americas,and what a difference that was I got to know my neighbours, it was much more relax no much competition about who got a better car or lamp or how many places have you been. You have to come and see the christmas Light in this place is becoming a tourist Atraccion in the christmast season there are even tours.I know the south of Bogota have a bit doggie reputacion but no all of them.Is like the north too there places in there that I would no go to.I don't know why this people were threw out of the bar in the primera de mayo but the manager has his reason and in there they wont tolerate drugs because being in the south you have the cops keeping an eye more on you, !how wrong.I think is a bit more in Bogota that the north and I expect is a bit more in Medallo than el poblado AND WE CALLED OURSELVE POOR BUT HAPPY
Kind Reggards
kat1

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Nov 18, 2004, 01:32:

Sorry we are happy but POOR?

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Tom says on Nov 18, 2004, 05:20:

jmmyers Hi, just drop me or torsten_kroeger at hotmail.com or colombia at saexplorers.org a mail, we are planing a get together in Medellin beginning of Dec. so you are welcome.

hasta la vista

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Outtahere says on Nov 18, 2004, 06:45:

I'm in! I'm here in Bogota until Jan. 21st (at least). Let me know when and where and I will be there. Nothing to fear but fear itself!

Robert

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Christinalkc says on Nov 18, 2004, 09:42:

after reading the pros and cons.... i have a little opinion. i don't think it is a bad idea at all to organize a simple meeting over lunch or something like that. I don't come to bogota to live in fear and if i would, i won't come here at all.....

there are heaps of other places for the FARC or something like that to target foreigners like hotels, embassies and such.

yes, i agree that we have to exercise precautions and stuff but we as foreigners, we stand out wherever we go. for my case, i don't need to go to parties for foreigners to be exposed to dangers like these. the place i work is also another danger as americans come in and out there.

anyways, i am still waiting for the arrangement .... i took the risk to come to colombia and i guess i should take this risk too. living in fear is not what i want in colombia!!

christina

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webmanco says on Dec 12, 2004, 15:02:

Here is the sign up list, no matter where in the world you are
Join people who care about Colombia, and Colombians

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ShazCas says on Dec 13, 2004, 12:58:

Oh please Such paranoia, it's unbelieveable!!! Do those scared people in the discussion really think the FARC will be interested??? Hahahahaha!!! That's the best laugh I've had all day! If you're too posh for las Americas or too scared, well you don't have to go, no-one's making you! Personally I'm really jealous that I can't go to the Tabogo meeting, maybe some day...

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sandra_pas says on Dec 14, 2004, 12:38:

people i agree with the idea of meeting, and i noticed you are all concerned about the security of meeting in a place where most americans, gosh i hate that word we are all americans, but this is english stuff so, anyways where most americans dont go to,
just thinking.... we cant go to a bar cause we dont know each other so we wont know who the hell we´re meeting with,
so i prefer lunch or lets go to oma o juan valdez hell i dont care but lets go to a place where we can see our faces and talk to each other, u know its a MEETing, lets go to a mall, to a park, to a museum, lets go to a theater, let go to centro chia or salitre plaza, im just naming things, not a suggestion just an example,anyways we need a date and a place a decent one where all of us locals tourists foreigns visitors or whoever goes feels safe. sandraPAS

sandraPAS

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santiBOG says on Dec 14, 2004, 19:56:

Just say when and where.... I live in South Florida but will be in Bogota from Dec 23 to around Jan 5. It would be nice to meet some of the people from PBH either in Fla or in Colombia...

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webmanco says on Dec 25, 2004, 10:25:

gringoenbogota
gringoenbogota is reluctant to meet other´s PBH members via PBH worldwide meetups due to security reasons. I do agree with Goosekirk on the importance of not being paranoic and that in Bogota, like anywhere, one needs to exercise some degree of caution, however there is not need to instill fear on other posters.

Meetup groups are all over the world and cover many topics. You can create your group as well. Gringoinbogota, you had being in Colombia for a while, you had posted nice pictures, being in different cities, however I am afraid your security advisor could not prevent you from being robbed, but certainly is preventing you to know Colombia. So you have been to Zipaquira, and San Adres and many other places in Colombia, but live scare and instills your fears on other posters, based on what your colombian security advisor says.
You and your friend are welcome to sign up on the PBH Worldwide meetup group. I doesn´t have a place or date per set, the group is open to suggestions.
PBH posters are both friends of Colombians and Colombians living worldwide. Bogotá, Cali and Medellín are the cities with most PBH posters, but PBH members are all over the world and growing. In Medellín Tom already offered to held a meeting, same thing could do members in Cali and any other cities in the world. PBH worldwide meetup has already 33 members from different parts of the world. Many members at a given time could be visiting (or have friends)different cities where PBH meetups are held. I vision the day where we could held simultaneous PBH meetups, different cities in the world, same time.





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mariaaa says on Dec 28, 2004, 15:59:

Meeting Sorry it is late but was there a get together and will there be another one?

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webmanco says on Dec 28, 2004, 19:39:

First meeting in Bogotá Friday January 14 at 8:00 pm Our first meeting will be in Bogotá Friday January 14 at 8:00 pm, in a location still to be set. To see those who had reserved please click here here if you had not reserve you can do so on the same link. If you feel like inviting someone to join this group click here
Members from PBH who would like to held a meeting in a different city, at the same time are welcome to sign up and keep us informed. I read that ColombiaBoard or Tom are fixing meetings in Medellín



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webmanco says on Jan 24, 2005, 04:59:

January 27/2005 in Chapinero Bogotá
Good morning, today is January 24 /05 Some of you who live in Bogotá had reserved for our first "Friends of Colombian and Colombians all over the world meet up" to be held in Bogotá.

Visit this link to see ho had reserved so far. (or to reserve)

I you are going to be in Bogota on Thursday 24/05 and want to meet with us, sign up for the group and reserve.

The place to meet will be in Chapinero. "Sopa de Letras" Carrera 13 No. 66-23. Phone 2550779. The place was selected because people from different countries, have lunch there, so the place must be safe, and is in a middle point in Bogotá to meet. Plus management was all for it.

The place is a restaurant in the morning and at night on Fridays, they held "tertulias", some amateur poets go and show their talent. We will be meeting on Thrusday 27, and will discuss possible future venues to meet.

We well arrange to have a pc and a webcam (on dial-up) , plus a digital camera, so if any other PBH members not in Bogotá and want to take a look at the meeting and maybe chat a little with some of the participants in Bogotá, I will set a msn account to be able to have instant messeging. I will update information here, advising of the best ways to get there. (Carrera 13 No. 66-23. Phone 2550779) Any suggestions are welcome.

Any suggestions can be posted on this topic or in the meet-up forum at, Meetup forum


Pedro Guerrero
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