Poll - Getting fat in American?

babygirl says on Feb 16, 2005, 18:31:

Processed foods make you fat and they're not healthy not matter how many times something has "fat-free" "low-carb" written on it! Stick with whole foods and you're home free. Simple as that.
(feel sorry for someone that has her mother call her fat and ugly... eeek!) That's a pretty shallow comment, especially coming from another woman, and we wonder why so many young women have eating disorders.

cheers - babygirl

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madman says on Feb 16, 2005, 19:09:

My girl asked me the same question. She thinks she will get fat, when she comes to the USA. We have a deal if either one of us start to get fat the other one will make them work out and eat right.

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utopiacowboy says on Feb 16, 2005, 19:50:

Among the Colombianas, I would have to say that this is their No. 1 fear. Yes, she will become a tub of lard. You may have to trade in every couple of years.

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kernow62 says on Feb 16, 2005, 21:35:

My wife has gained about 400 pounds, fortunately she has lost 415!

My wife is actually slimmer than when she lived in Colombia, not bad seeing she is 13 years older.

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BxUnika says on Feb 16, 2005, 22:08:

My Ex He was 6'/200 lbs. when he came here and when he left he was in the 175-180 lbs. range. It depends on what you do (work 10 hours a day? go to colege and eat junk food 24/7?).

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Iain says on Feb 16, 2005, 23:40:

Fat Yanks I lived in CA for 3.5 years and I enjoyed my time there but I have never have seen sooooo many fat tubs of lard waddling around in my life! I'm not talking about people being a little over weight but obese and alot of them young too.

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Save the Wildcats says on Feb 17, 2005, 04:29:

Iain and CA is as good as it gets here! Try living in the midwest, home of the Lynndie England lookalikes! I love the US but I think some people take "Supersizing" to a new extreme.

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kernow62 says on Feb 17, 2005, 04:47:

Unfortunately several aspects of the "American" lifestyle are being exported that are causing concern overseas. In the UK the obesity problem is growing (no pun intended). Children particularly get less excercise, there are computers, TV, video games etc. plus the world is more dangerous so children tend to stay indoors more. The staggering array of available pre packaged foods, snack foods, and of course the supersized portions all add up.

Personally I think the biggest problem is the pre-packaged processed foods and sugars, and the hormones in the US beef. Take the time to cook your own foods rather than used pre-packaged and eat less red meat and try to do a bit of walking and the US is no different than anywhere else. Going dancing helps too!

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babygirl says on Feb 17, 2005, 04:54:

LOL..let your girlfriends watch that movie supersize it.

cheers - babygirl

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YEP says on Feb 17, 2005, 06:59:

Dear Tinto ....
That the poor is hit the hardest only show once again ...... that any effort for a person/country to change/improve is E D U C A T I O N.


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SiempreHero says on Feb 17, 2005, 07:16:

Sexy Girl My Wife was my spanish teacher in Bogota for a year. She always was super thin, but with a muscular "cola". She walked alot every day going from place to place. When she came to the US, at first she got even thinner since, in my opionion he was depressed at what a big change it was to come here and not be able to work, not have many freinds etc. She hates to excersise bye they way. Once she got over the change in life style, she started a new job where she gets lots of excersise. She eats very very well (more than i do). You can see how she looks in the pics i have posted. She has been here over 4 years now. I think it depends on many things. Esp. Genetics.

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juanalejo says on Feb 17, 2005, 07:28:

Lots of exercise I think a big part has to do with doing lots of exercise. The food in the US does make people fat, so a different type of lifestyle has to be adopted. Lots of exercise for a start, balanced diets where you actually are aware of what you eat on a permanent basis is the other important thing. First time I moved to the US I weighed around 75 kg came back six months later weighing 90 kgs. Lost 10, went back to the US and went back to 85 but I was living in Boston where you walk a lot more, plus I new what could happen. Moved to London and lost 5 kgs, but you do move a lot there. Back in Bogota I have gained a little but here I drive all day, no exercise and eat out on a permanent basis. So now I am beginning to walk more to places and I think it is working.

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dwmte says on Feb 17, 2005, 14:25:

hell...bring your old lady here, she'll pork up in no time. and G in B, send that gal back here for a while and we'll fatten her up in no time at all. i mean, you won't even have to sneak it down her throat. she'll be beggin for weight. tons of it. you'll have a fatso in no time.

i'm a gringo, for sure, but i'm bloody ashamed...i actually get embarrassed looking at the disgusting lard ass blimps that are walking around. i've been all over this planet and i never saw anything to compare with it. it's like we're raising hippos.

people 5'2" weighing over 200kg. CHRIST!!! do these people actually look at themselves. or do they just sort of pretend that they look like j.lo or jennifer anniston? i see them in shoppin markets with not just one shopping cart FULL, but two, even THREE!!!

i'm sorry, i have no pity for this at all. it's nothin but piggin.

when i was young, fat folks used to say, "i have a gland problem" yeah, right, gland problem....

when i was last at university, there was this miserably obese gal in the class i was taking and when we would take a break, she'ld go to the vending machines, but two of the 1 liter cokes/sodas, two or three bags of chips and a pack or two of cookies and get all that down in 10 or 15 min. and that was just a snacker. snack? whew.

watch out, the terrorist don't have to attack us. we're doin it to ourselves.

dw

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kernow62 says on Feb 17, 2005, 14:47:

GIB's favourite song.

I like a big fine lady,
with big fine legs,
wobble like soft-boiled eggs.

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dwmte says on Feb 17, 2005, 18:46:

i swear, gringo... i actually feel bad for comin down so hard...it's really not my style. however, there's something about obesity that strikes me as an offence to GOD...really.

the human form, 'the image of GOD', as seen in the obesity that's walking around the u.s. cities today is pathetic, hideous. i don't really know how to address it. something is wrong and it's not just the weight. it's something underneith or behind it. you tell me.

dw

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magicheater says on Feb 17, 2005, 18:59:

fat perhaps people here in USA are trying to appease themselves with food for what they do not get from the stench of the cultural decay here. The best diet is to stop eating!!

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dwmte says on Feb 17, 2005, 19:01:

you wont believe this gringo... i presume it's the same on your end, but take a look at the advertisement above 'post new comment'....isn't that just a comical coincidence?

i'm glad you gave me an answer to the question about this obesity problem....frustration was growing so deep i was considering killing myself...

now, having the answer, all's well and i can live, LIVE. oh boy, pounds for peace...that must be the answer. ship all this blubber around the planet to the poor and starving...

how's your lady doin? just curious. keep her fed brother, she'll love you for it

peace, guy,

douglas

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utopiacowboy says on Feb 17, 2005, 20:20:

Stench of the cultural decay? Maybe they eat too much and are too sedentary and could care less about the stench?

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adrimm (☼Travelguide writer) says on Feb 17, 2005, 21:56:

kernow62 says on Feb 17, 2005, 22:15:

Adrimm you described life here in Florida perfectly.

I miss the public rights of way that are part of life in Britain. They have footpaths cutting right through people's property & the property owner is not allowed to hinder a person from walking on said footpath. Although I have had to dodge a few mad sheep. Where I lived there was a Tescos supermarket that if I walked or drove was about 3 miles, however if I put on my wellies and took the footpath I was there in about 1/4 of a mile.

In Florida my mother lives about 1/2 mile as the crow flies from my house, but it is 3 miles by car and I will be damned if I can walk there a shorter way. 3 mile walking in the Florida sun is a long way, especially as I have to walk back 3 miles!

Behind my mother's neighbourhood is a nice mall, she can't walk to it though, even though she could hurl a cat and hit the side of Macys. For security there is a wall to prevent pedestrians from accessing the mall except from the main entrances. Apparently folks might have their cars broken into and the thieves could easily retreat to a local neighbourhood, hence the reason for limited access.

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adrimm (☼Travelguide writer) says on Feb 18, 2005, 09:57:

Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Feb 18, 2005, 15:58:

but I have not only been to Florida but lived in Palm Beach County for a number of years...and the description kernow made is near perfect. We used to drive to a local park with a nature trail almost every day because we felt that our legs and feet would soon disappear if we couldn't do some walking.
I gained some 20 pounds in a few years there, took them off in less than a year in Sweden with a saner life style.
Cheers,
Desi

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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kernow62 says on Feb 18, 2005, 18:10:

I think Adrimm & GIB have got things down on this one. It is proven that eating a large meal in the evening tends to make us gain weight, not only that but it can cause problems with acid reflux and other disorders.

I also don't believe a word the FDA says about the growth hormones and the products in animal feed does not do us any harm. I am a logical person and this is illogical!

I have started riding my bike a lot more, I am currently doing about 150 miles a week and still haven't dropped any weight. I used to be an amateur wrestler and thought nothing of doing 500 situps at a time, now I have trouble doing 50, of course I am twice as old. I am beginning to think to lose weight in the US I am going to have to all but cut out any red meat & chicken and stick with fish. I have already cut out processed sugars as much as possible. Taken to climbing stairs whenever feasible and still the weight hangs grimmly on.

Perhaps I need to move to Bogotá for a spell.

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Lionheart says on Feb 18, 2005, 18:37:

it is in the food I am sure about it too, but not just in the meat. Hormones and god knows what added in animal feed is one part of the story, but how much do we really know about the side effects of genetically altered vegetables and fruits? Of course we only want to buy the pretty looking stuff. Add on top of that all the preservatives and other additives that make our packaged foods look good. Our bodies are probably a biochemical wonderland full of stuff that can't be processed, because our bodies weren't designed for that kind of processing.

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adrimm (☼Travelguide writer) says on Feb 18, 2005, 21:10:

Lionheart says on Feb 18, 2005, 22:29:

digging around in memories When I was living in Germany I recall a few scandals there concerning hormones. Within Germany the Naturalists (pre-Greens) were always active, and to protect the markets, foreign meats were under tight scrutiny by the Agricultual Department.

One scandal involved enhancing veal meat, I think to make the meat whiter and juicier. Veal is more common in Europe than in USA, like the Schnitzel, sometimes substituted by pork. The enhanced veal had the same effects on young boys eating veal ... whiter and juicier.

Pigs received hormones to deliver juicier meat as well, and to produce firmer hams ... when you look at the standard German pig you will see the difference.

I'll dig up more details, some were quite funny ...

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jack73534 says on Feb 19, 2005, 09:03:

badbart proceed with caution I don,t know anything about Colombian women, but a women when they are thin will make some kind of comprobel deal as you suggested. Example (Honey if I start gaining weight please tell me.)Badbart you are better putting a gun to you head.

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Feb 19, 2005, 10:08:

I'm totally convinced that it's The Declaration of Independence that makes gringos fat. Theytake this "pursuit of happiness" very seriously. Happiness has become the main goal of an entire culture and to achieve this you move as little as possible; for that purpose they have invented every labor-saving device and gadget possible. Walking takes effort; thus you drive a car everywhere. Eating is good: it gives you immediate satisfaction and people eat when they are sad and depressed and get fatter all the time, the fatter they get the more depressed they become since being skinny as a bone (like the supermodels) is the beauty norm.
It's a simple question of body economics: you store more energy than what you use. Using energy is considered difficult and bothersome. It doesn't make you happy. Since you're ultimate goal is pursuit of happiness, the immediate bodily satisfaction has substituted all other methods of gaining happiness, because they are hard and difficult.

Cheers,
Desi

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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utopiacowboy says on Feb 19, 2005, 11:08:

I am all in favor of the hard and difficult - that which does not kill me makes me stronger! I finally have a domestic running partner - my wife and I run on the weekends, usually a couple of 4-5 mile runs. Then we have other cardio exercises we like to do.... The US has become a nation of couch potatoes watching others do instead of doing themselves.

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Feb 19, 2005, 11:16:

I don't have to do that I'm physically active at my work. I run after fleeing youngsters in school corridors, drag them on snowy forest paths on their daily walk (obligatory daily exercise), play in the snow, build snowmen, balance on icy sidewalks and streets on my way from one place to another. I am a firm believer in everyday utiltary motion. Walk or bike to work if you can. Take the stairs instead of the elevator. Hang the clothes on a line out in the back yard. Do the dishes by hand. We don't need so many machines to do everyday work. You've got two feet made for walking, two hands made for working and a body made for moving. Just do it!
Cheers,
Desi

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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Tinto (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Feb 19, 2005, 11:20:

Playing in the snow and getting paid for it? I want your job!



P.S. When there are little brats who misbehave in the classroom, do the teachers get to pelt them with snowballs outside? Hehehe. Or maybe the Scandinavian "third way" has resulted in no more little brats? ;-)

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YEP says on Feb 19, 2005, 11:24:

he he ... Tinto ..... you also want the climate up here
I DON'T THING SO ;-)



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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Feb 19, 2005, 11:28:

no you don't because it doesn't pay enough. I'm happy, though, because the work I do is very autonomous and I can use my natural talent for creativity in it.
I can't even think of working in an environment with bosses and vds and whatyouhave to tell you what to do and how and when.

Cheers,
Desi

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Feb 19, 2005, 11:31:

oh, I missed the last part in your post...tinto.
These kids misbehave all the time, it's only expected of them. I look stern and talk to them, they say: "I'm sorry" and then we have some ice-cream and go outside to play in the snow.
Cheers,
Desi
(yep, I like winter and snow..)

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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Lionheart says on Feb 19, 2005, 11:43:

I wonder Desi do you also have the finnish sauna and the outdoor pool? That would would be idyllic ... I know you have the Vodka somewhere ...

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Feb 19, 2005, 11:55:

alas, lionheart we don't have the Finnish sauna here in Sweden, only a half-warm bastu..blah. Outdoor pool? who needs it with all the fluffy white snow right out of your door? Take a roll!

Seriously, one of the best things in life is a moonlight dip in a Finnish lake in the height of the summer, after a 100-degree sauna bath, followed by a vodka and lingonberry drink on the porch of the cabin...I can't wait til summer now.
Cheers,
Desi

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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Lionheart says on Feb 19, 2005, 12:06:

that is what I remember as well the last time I enjoyed it was in Norway at a fancy club hotel on a fjord where the company had invited all employees world-wide for the yearly meeting. I think there was more vodka in the pool than water when we crawled out ...

Desi, how do you get rid of the helicopter sized mosquitos when you take the moonlight dip? I remember getting into the lake, but then getting out was the horror, as the mosquito swarm blocked out the moonlight and all you could hear was the deep buzz of sure death being sucked dry by vampires.

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Feb 19, 2005, 12:17:

oh, that's easy the answer is in timing it...mosquitos are gone in July in southern and central Finland. The problem lingers on in the arctic regions, however.
I was up in the fjords of Norway last summer, it was warm and nice, almost no mosquitos at all.

"do you want to eat it here or do you want to take it home?" asked one mosquito the other one when biting in a German on the shores of Tana River in Finnish/Norwegian Lapland.

Cheers,
Desi

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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Lionheart says on Feb 19, 2005, 12:29:

grinz ... thinking of thread topic ...

"naw, we'll have the German as a snack now and drag that American over there home for the winter"

**wink**
Dave

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Feb 19, 2005, 12:40:

"oh dear" "this is a big one...double the size we're used to...I have to call in some friends for the haulin'...btw, do you want it salted or smoked for the winter?"
Cheers,
Desi

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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Lionheart says on Feb 19, 2005, 12:52:

"looks like it's time..." "... to get used to supersized ..."

"do we get fries with that?"

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Feb 19, 2005, 13:02:

"you mean freedom fries? I s'ppose so...do you think this one has been genetically manipulated or fed with hormones? (frown)"
Cheers,
Desi

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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utopiacowboy says on Feb 19, 2005, 13:37:

Hmmmmmmmmm, "Just do it!". Where have I heard that? They say that incidental exercise of the sort you describe is very effective in burning off the calories. You're right, you don't need to run. If only we all had that kind of job!

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Lionheart says on Feb 19, 2005, 13:42:

some things I don't understand Let me know if my obversations are correct:

Since products get labelled LITE or ULTRA LITE people are getting fatter.

Since products are being stripped of their natural nutrients due to some dietary hype people are getting fatter.

Since normal products don't have enough natural nutritional value anymore more suppliments and medications are required to compensate.

Some misconceptions:

A 8oz bottle of soda used to be enough to satisfy thirst; additionally the bottle could be recycled/reused. Now you can buy sodas 24oz or more as standard sizes. Sometimes refills are free. So my logic tells me you need a gallon of modern soda to quench your thirst, when 8oz used to do the same ... this tells me there must be additives in the sodas that actually make you thirsty; coincidentally they make you fat too.

A beer LITE has less nutrients and alcohol in it, so you can drink a 12-pack with no problems, right? No need to be happy with 3 bottles of good stuff. Plus you spend most of the time in the bathroom ... water in, water out. But you still get fat and loose your license, right?

Since cigarette manufacturers offer LITES and ULTRA LITES these have become market leaders, also concerning the death count for smoking related cancer. So logic tells me now, that reduced tar and nicotine must have been replaced by something even more deadly, considering the reduced values, or tar and nicotine were never the real cause for cancer, but some they are just scapegoats for some even more evil content.

... our lives just don't add up when logic gets applied.

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utopiacowboy says on Feb 19, 2005, 13:48:

Thanks, Lionheart. I never eat anything Lite or Diet. I knew I was onto something.

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ARMacleod says on Feb 20, 2005, 01:30:

It was a concern of my ex wife. When she said thet she wanted to lose weight I gave her the following advice. It works brilliantly

She must don pair of heavy boots, and run 5 miles in the morning and another 5 miles in the evening every day.

By the end of the month the fat bitch was 310 miles away.

The bonus was I had lost 200kgs of ugly fat.

Being of unsound mind and dubious disposition, I cannot be held legally liable for any indiscretions."¡El diablo me hizo hacerlo!" But don't worry, be happy.

The brain is like a parachute, it only functions correctly when it is open. Pax vobiscum.

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goosekirk says on Feb 21, 2005, 17:53:

I agree with GiB I'm no food scientist, but my gut tells me something's funky with the food in the US. I can eat like a pig here in Bogota and I still lose weight. At one point in the US, I weighed 175, got that down to 150 by traveling and a few depressive bouts, and now I weigh 130, and I didn't change a damn thing except move to Bogota. Actually, at 130, I'm a little too skinny... I really should be eating more, but hey, it's not like I'm hungry. How does that work?

Part of it's that I'm more active in Colombia, part of it is that when I go to a restaurant here, they don't bring a ridiculous mountain of food. But I think part of it is the quality of the food. Whatever it is, hormones or processing or what, there's just something about it.

I read a great article once about the corn industry, and how in the 50s-70s, farmers using new techniques and mechanization increased their yields dramatically. Relatively suddenly, there were a lot more calories from corn to go around. They didn't want the prices to drop or to grow less of it, so the solution was to figure out how to use more...

And, as I understand it, that's why there's high fructose corn syrup everywhere in the US. Do a Google search for high fructose corn syrup... I dunno what the truth is, but there's a lot of negative speculation out there about it. For example, they say HFCS doesn't affect appetite like sugar does - so naturally you're going to consume more of it. Genius. 64oz Big Gulp, please.

But there's obviously several parts to the obesity problem. Like GiB, I don't care what the current scientific consensus is, I think there's something in the hormones and so on that they give animals that also contributes to problems. That's a big reason why I originally stopped eating all meat except seafood (which has mercury, and is more frequently farmed now as well, but whaddaya gonna do). I just don't trust the corporate, factory-farm approach to my food. They couldn't possibly care less about what's healthy, as long as they can skirt the FDA and keep raking in profits.

Another part is the suburban culture, as pointed out. I think it's unhealthy for our bodies, minds and spirits. I try to explain this to Colombians all the time, how the life here is actually better. I walk down the street and people know me, I stop to chat with shopkeepers, people are generally relaxed and friendly. I'm part of a little community. In the US, it's drive to the office, drive to Wal-Mart, drive home, and there's no real interaction with other human beings. Everyone's so isolated in their suburban fortresses with lawn moats and, if there are even sidewalks, they're narrow and right up against the roadway, making it thoroughly unpleasant to even try to walk anywhere. Not that you would, since everything's so far apart and designed for cars, not humans.

Certainly that's not true of all of America, but a huge percentage of it is exactly that way.

James Kunstler rants brilliantly about this in "The Geography of Nowhere." There's a whole lot of suburban wasteland out there. Las Vegas is the scariest, creepiest, most hideous hellscape I've ever seen. Kunstler is almost absurdly apocalyptic about America and what will happen when "peak oil" hits and gas prices start to rise... but I do think he's got a point. It wouldn't take an atomic bomb to destroy Vegas, just the combination of water and oil getting seriously expensive and a morbidly obese, lower-middle-class, severely indebted population, and that place will be the eeriest ghost town in the West. I don't take Kunstler's doom-and-gloom predictions too seriously, but I love how he illustrates the problems in America. Check out his site: http://www.kunstler.com/

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adrimm (☼Travelguide writer) says on Feb 21, 2005, 18:09:

kernow62 says on Feb 21, 2005, 19:26:

I try to eat only organic fed free range eggs, but I don't eat a lot of eggs or meats and I still am a little overweight. I am beginning to think that Miamimike is correct about lipo and the stomach fat, but I am going to work on it the old fashioned way for a year to see if I can get results.

The only problem is my local grocery sells morcilla and chorizo! And there is a Colombian restaurant nearby that sells chicharon. Perhaps if I ride my bike to buy the chicharon that will be OK. Please say it will be OK.

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goosekirk says on Feb 21, 2005, 19:54:

Organic, free-range Yeah, if I ate meat, I'd insist on the organic, free-range stuff. Trouble is, I'm not much of a cook, and it's still rare to find that in a restaurant. Plus, when I decided to give up meat about 12 years ago, I was living in Michigan and there definitely wasn't that option at that time. Since then, I've kind of lost my taste for meat. It just seems kinda gross now.

But I love the idea of the independent, free-range organic beef farmers. More power to 'em. I hope more people support that industry. I'd guess it also reflects the real cost of meat better than the massively polluting industrial farms.

Kernow, just move down here, already! You'll lose that extra flab like magic.

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dwmte says on Feb 22, 2005, 16:26:

did ya ever notice.... in the super markets, the carts of the obese folks are full of diet this, lite that, etc?

must be a clue there somewhere...

dw

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SHBLatin says on Feb 22, 2005, 16:40:

About the organic free-range stuff I am all for the organically grown foods and free-range meats but why the hell is it soooo expensive. I am sure they are saving a ton of money by not buy pesticides and stuff.
I am a little over weight myself and I think the best diet is the Bogota Diet!!! I just need to learn Spanish. I was there for a week over Christmas and lost a couple of pounds and I did not change my eating habits at all.

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Gomezman5 says on Feb 22, 2005, 22:26:

Lionheart...Lite Beer???? Horrible stuff !!! On the euro front, I'll take a Heineken or....one of my favorites from your country, St. Pauli Girl. On the other hand, Mexico has some of the best beers in the world...Superior, Pacifico, XX, and Modelo, to name a few !!

As to their nutrition???? Who cares !! I don't know anyone who drinks beer for their nutritional value. I'll stick with the fruit and veggies for that. Oh a few tacos (carne asada, pastor, and lengua-, and barbacoa, with onion and cilantro.

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ARMacleod says on Feb 22, 2005, 23:22:

Fat, What is fat? I weigh in at 12 stone (78 kg in new money) I was 78 kg when I was 21, I am 64.8 and I remain at 78 kg.

If you are 'el gordo' then you eat too much and you do not exercise enough. What is the problem? cut down on the intake and concentrate on more output.

A lack of personal discipline is the underlying cause, a lack of will power, simple, there is no magic, no effective elixir to remove the fat.

Take control of yourself, stop talking about it. Eat less. Sheeesh!

But never mind, I still like fat people, they sort of make me feel superior?


Being of unsound mind and dubious disposition, I cannot be held legally liable for any indiscretions."¡El diablo me hizo hacerlo!" But don't worry, be happy.

The brain is like a parachute, it only functions correctly when it is open. Pax vobiscum.

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fzrdan says on Feb 22, 2005, 23:39:

Goosekirk I don't know what places you eat at, but a lot of the restaurants I have been to in Cali do bring a ridiculous amount of food. Seriously enough for two people with leftovers a couple of times. I am always pointing out the huge portions at restaurants here in the states to people but I have to say that many places in Cali rival and even surpass restaurants here.

I will say that the problem with such huge portions is that I think some people feel obligated to eat the whole amount right there on the spot. Not too bright. Eat until you feel full then stop.

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Hunter says on Feb 24, 2005, 06:19:

fzrdan & JamesVH JamesVH,

I have to agree eat less or excercise more, or a combination of both.

fzrdan,

I would have to agree, nearly every restaurant I have ben to, seems to give very large portions in Colombia.

Hunter

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ARMacleod says on Feb 24, 2005, 10:35:

Sorry 'typo' Won't allow me to delete?

The brain is like a parachute, it only functions correctly when it is open. Pax vobiscum.

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kernow62 says on Feb 24, 2005, 15:08:

Lots of folks drink beer for the nutrition, haven't you ever heard the old Guinness slogan? It is very nutritous when you crack in a half dozen raw eggs and quaff it down. mmmm!

My mum was prescribed Guinness in hospital whilst she was having me. nuff said.

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Feb 24, 2005, 15:11:

Kernow they told me to drink guinnes because was full of iron, yuck i didn't like it, mind i do like just the white stuff that forms on the top (the foam.)

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ARMacleod says on Feb 24, 2005, 23:14:

Don't like Guiness?? Desecration, Sirah, profanity, malfeasance and violation of the great almightys most salubrious liquid panacea, the venerable ‘water of life' . Hang your head in mortal shame, this is the venerated holy water of Lourdes.

(Only second to Talisker and Glen Morangie) I rest my case, (of Scotch)

A diet of spuds and a mixture of any of the above,has bread a nation of supermen, fine upstanding men with a stance and comportious demeanor that any would be Adonis would envious of.

SHAME ON YOU!

Being of unsound mind and dubious disposition, I cannot be held legally liable for any indiscretions."¡El diablo me hizo hacerlo!" But don't worry, be happy.

The brain is like a parachute, it only functions correctly when it is open. Pax vobiscum.

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Feb 25, 2005, 04:10:

jamesvh lol james,I like the froth. but the rest tates like medicine. ¦-(
yes Shame on me :-(

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cintiamay says on Feb 25, 2005, 10:20:

Guiness = bread
That stuff's so thick I could cut it with a knife.
Getting back to the main topic, my novio hasn't gained any substantial weight since being here, and he's been here a while. He's just very active, plus he's not that old (25) so that helps too of course. We do eat a bit of meat, so I worry about the steroid stuff, try to buy organic almost exclusively, but its expensive... plus he's carnivore, can't cure that. We just do a lot of activities, mountain biking, walking, no excessive tv watching. And no mountains disguised as shopping carts.

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Atogob says on Feb 25, 2005, 21:46:

The Three Demons.... Sugar, Salt, Fat... I've leanred quite a bit on this subject....all too happy o share...

This problem is far worse than is generally known...AMERICAN food, either processed or not, is loaded with sugar, salt, and fat. The 3 demons... Sugar turns to fat eventually, fat is stored by default by your body, and salt retains water addding to overall weight.

Read the nutrition facts on the package... it's sick...Whenever something says no fat, or no sugar... it's usually loaded up with the other 2 remaining demons....

The only way to combat this problem is to eliminate fat intake to less than 3 grams per serving or even better 3 grams or less per diem. Kiss sugar goodbye and say hello to Equal. And salt is a no no... although the least lethal of the 3....in my opinion.

AND EXERCISE.... lots of it. I do two 45 minute cardio sessions per day. 7 days a week unless work is crazy...

I work in an office all day...weight training is great but. CARDIO is the most efffective way to burn fat and build muscle... the stairmaster or eliptical trainers are great....I've found running and jumoing rope or whatever is ok also... BUT pure constatnt 45 minutes of cardio is most effective...

It's not uncommon for me to loose 3-8 pounds per week while on such a program... and I eat 4 big protien (and low carb) meals a day...(even pancakes...) I'm just not scarfing down coke, ice cream and domino's pizza at 2 am...

I have to do all this just to keep my metabolic rate high enough... otherwise I start to gain...

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