Piedad Córdoba denounces death threats from an unnamed government official

catherine b says on Dec 19, 2007, 13:28:

She needs to come forward and give names. Granted she's been threatened in the past and even kidnapped by paramilitaries. But, she's also as we say in Colombia "de pipi cogido" with Chavez and was caught suggesting to Farc that there could be a "transitional" government as well as political legitimacy to them. Sooo, unless she comes forward with names and goes through the proper channels then it appears as if she merely wishes to make damaging insinuations and slander the Uribe government.

Quite frankly, after everything that's been coming to light recently, I don't trust her and I think the government needs to keep a close eye on her. I'm sure they already are. Don't be surprised if this whole Farc/Chavez thing explodes in her face (figuratively, of course) and more is revealed about Senator Cordoba's activities that she may be charged at some later date with treason.

aguardiente says on Dec 19, 2007, 15:00:

mmm who is this catherine b (newbie) mmmm ?

bogjudge says on Dec 20, 2007, 17:31:

She is not credible. Why pay any attention to her outlandish rantings.

What Lies Over Yonder Horizon?

slguy says on Dec 20, 2007, 18:07:

"not credible"?

enlighten me as to why not, please?

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

Rikito says on Dec 20, 2007, 19:39:

Why is catherine b not credible? She is correct with what she says and is easy to understand unlike many who post in here. She is correct to challenge Cordoba. Cordoba is an unaccomplished opportunist who will say anything and almost do anything to show herself in favorable light and to denounce Uribe for no justifiable reason other than she hates him.

It is not life that matters, but the journey.

gato-bandido says on Dec 21, 2007, 05:53:

I thought "She is not credible. Why pay any attention to her outlandish rantings" referred to Córdoba. She should change her last name to Cobarde, like the FARC trash she is.

aguardiente says on Dec 21, 2007, 08:14:

Yes, Cordoba is not credible.
She said there would be proofs of life and there were proofs of life.
She said there would be free hostages and ... Wait and see.
When you will see Clara Roja free, will you continue to say that Cordoba is not credible ?

Your hate makes you blind.

aguardiente says on Dec 21, 2007, 08:15:

Cordoba Cobarde? Gato-bandido, can you go alone in the forest to meet Reyes? No. Usted tiene miedo?

kalder says on Dec 21, 2007, 08:39:

And who might you be young feller-me-lad?

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

billyb says on Dec 21, 2007, 09:22:

"Cordoba Cobarde? Gato-bandido, can you go alone in the forest to meet Reyes? No. Usted tiene miedo?"

If he was in cahoots with the FARC like the traitor Cordova, he would have no reason to be afraid of them either.

aguardiente says on Dec 21, 2007, 11:54:

And If I was with billyb I should be afraid to smell shit and piss.

billyb says on Dec 21, 2007, 12:26:

Amazing, your posts are even more imbecillic than when you were going by Cassini, jaja. You should seek some help to get over this obsession you have with scatology.

catherine b says on Dec 21, 2007, 14:53:

I guess when one is amongst "friends" courage is not a requirement as there is clearly nothing to fear.

billyb says on Dec 21, 2007, 15:00:

I hope she's telling thr truth about the death threats.

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 21, 2007, 15:18:

I wouldn't be surprised at all; she's a controversial person and I'm not so sure if I went public with the name of the high government official either, in her situation. She's delivered more than Uribe in regards to the hostages and even if I don't especially care for her style of politicians I have to admit that she has guts.

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

billyb says on Dec 21, 2007, 15:26:

The thing is that Uribe has to put the interests of the whole country before that of the hostages, it is a fact of life, otherwise he doesn't belong being president. She on the other hand doesn't have any such responsabilities, or the inetrest of the country for that matter, so she kiss the FARC's and Chavez' ass for some cheap publicity. I don't see any courage in that whatsoever.

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 21, 2007, 15:39:

She must be well aware that posing with the FARCs is going to make her many enemies and she already has a bunch, she's being accused for treason and has pissed off almost the whole political establishment in Colombia...yes, I call that having courage.

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

billyb says on Dec 21, 2007, 15:48:

I call that consorting with the enemy, nothing courageous there, just treachery.

billyb says on Dec 21, 2007, 15:49:

"she's being accused for treason and has pissed off almost the whole political establishment in Colombia."

Not just the political establishment, but a vast majority of the PEOPLE, don't forget to mention that :)

catherine b says on Dec 21, 2007, 15:58:

I would venture to add that she's probably known all along that her chances of ever being elected president of Colombia are slim to nil so upsetting the majority of Colombians is not an over riding concern. However, if she could in some way achieve the freedom of Ingrid Betancourt while at the same time pave the way for FARC "legitimacy"....I can't believe I said those 2 words in the same sentence...then It's not inconceivable that her political and personal ambitions could ...to some extent at least...be realized.

slguy says on Dec 21, 2007, 16:24:

desi, you know i respect your opinons, even when I disagree with them.

BUT

first you called ingrid courageous, now this FARC-consorting broad. both of them have done REALLY stupid things, really stupid public things. the only difference being- piedad has not paid a price- yet.

I'm curious where your line is, between courageous and stupid. and can you honestly say that if they weren't women, your opinion would be the same of them?

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 21, 2007, 16:44:

I think I have a certain respect for people who go against the flow.

I believe (I know I'm going to get flamed for this) that Colombians as a whole are politically extremely immature and naive. The biparty system that degenerated into "Frente National" did nothing to educate Colombians how to look after themselves politically; the result was clandestine guerrilla movements, paramilitaries and the massacre of the left wing UP public service people. There's a new chance for the Colombian left of the center with the Polo Democratico and my hopes are with them, not with the flamboyant populists like Piedad Cordoba. I believe in legitimacy and representation; but Colombians have shown that they are politically as uneducated as their neighbour Venezuelans. Uribe's popularity is as much a proof of that as was Chavez elected to presidency in Venezuela. In Colombia it was the absenteeism from the polls the true winner of the last elections and every other election before that.

Back to Betancourt, my assessment of her courage does not stem from that ill-fated excursion into FARC territory that got her kidnapped, but rather her contribution to fighting corruption in Colombia, in gathering evidence against ex-president Samper and in being instrumental in establishing the evidence of him having received maffia (Cali cartel) contributions for his campaign.

In Colombia being a woman, being righteous and being a politician takes a lot of courage.

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

aguardiente says on Dec 21, 2007, 16:52:

Billyb you accuse me of scatology but you are always speaking of FARC's and Chavez's ass.
An obsession ? Everyone has the right to his own fantasms.

slguy says on Dec 21, 2007, 19:31:

"She must be well aware that posing with the FARCs is going to make her many enemies and she already has a bunch, she's being accused for treason and has pissed off almost the whole political establishment in Colombia...yes, I call that having courage."

and piedad?

I can understand your admiration for ingrid, provided you don't claim her ill-advised, and yes- VERY stupid act - that got her kidnapped "courage".

But I'll be damned if i can see anything past stupidity in piedad.

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

Mr. Hollywood says on Dec 21, 2007, 19:51:

I find those pictures of Ms. Cordoba fascinating in the context of people claiming there's little political freedom in Colombia or that there's no viable left.

Just imagine the outrage if a member of the US congress or a British MP were photographed smiling with Osama Bin Laden's arm around him?

catherine b says on Dec 21, 2007, 20:12:

EXACTLY!

billyb says on Dec 22, 2007, 00:23:

"her contribution to fighting corruption in Colombia"

So she said, but when she was dating a congressman from the left, who's name escapes me right now, and he was mired in corruption, and she gladly enjoyed the fruits of that corruption that he lavished on her, was she being a courageous fighter against corruption, or just a hypocrite who only dropped him when he was destituted? Did you read about that episode in her book, Desi?

aguardiente says on Dec 22, 2007, 02:19:

While the dogs are barking, the caravan is going forward.
Or:
Dog that barks doesn't bite.

kalder says on Dec 22, 2007, 02:38:

Quite so. The sausages are chained in the forest of red bicycles.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

Rikito says on Dec 22, 2007, 05:35:

agua, have you ever noticed that PBHers seldom respond to you? Ever wonder why? Maybe you should.

It is not life that matters, but the journey.

aguardiente says on Dec 22, 2007, 06:44:

I am happy that people like Rikito do not respond me.
Because he knows I am right.

aguardiente says on Dec 22, 2007, 06:48:

Concerning the photos of Cordoba with FARCs, I remember a video of Uribe with paramiltaries chiefs during an electoral campaign. Why did'nt you have same kind of reaction as for Cordoba.
Because paracos are your brothers ?

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 22, 2007, 07:01:

aguardiente I left you a message in your profile please respond

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

hongo_joe says on Dec 22, 2007, 07:04:

"Just imagine the outrage if a member of the US congress or a British MP were photographed smiling with Osama Bin Laden's arm around him?"

Not exactly!

With all due respect Mr. Hollywood, I think this comparison would be a bit more correct if Bush and Cheney had authorized negotiations with Al Quaeda through another country and a US congressman went there to 'help' and had his picture taken. I think any comparison between Al Quaeda and FARC is not going to be very helpful anyway.

aguardiente says on Dec 22, 2007, 07:56:

Adieu cruel world. I decided to retire.

catherine b says on Dec 22, 2007, 08:11:

Please take FARC with you.

cassini77 says on Dec 22, 2007, 08:14:

No I leave you Uribe. Worst than FARC.

cassini77 says on Dec 22, 2007, 08:15:

I am back

juancegomez says on Dec 22, 2007, 09:50:

Well...at least Uribe is, sooner (I hope) or later (unlikely but not impossible), going to be elected out of office...FARC doesn't really have regular elections where one can vote them out, as far as i can tell. Food for thought.

Desi: I'm not surprised about Piedad Córdoba's receiving death threats per se, but what I do find questionable is the lack of information regarding the specific threat she's denouncing at this time.

I'm sorry, but if I were a public figure and a high government official supposedly threatened me, I wouldn't keep the name quiet and make vague implications under the table / off the record.

On the contrary, I'd die with the name coming out of my mouth if necessary. To provide an example, Eduardo Díaz, mayor of El Roble, publicly denounced (in the presence of Uribe even) that he was going to be killed and pointed at the specific people who would be allegedly behind it.

He was still murdered, tragically, but I think his stance deserves endless admiration (and, logically, Uribe's government deserves endless condemnation for the mere fact that it did not protect him enough after such a desperate public plea). That doesn't mean that all accusations made in such a manner are automatically true, but it does mean that they should be taken seriously.

catherine b says on Dec 23, 2007, 12:12:

As if I needed another reason to dislike reggaeton. LOL

cassini77 says on Dec 23, 2007, 13:50:

Very interesting ?

Rikito says on Dec 25, 2007, 06:50:

agua, the last time you did something right was when you said goodnight with your right hand.

It is not life that matters, but the journey.