Pereira or Cali? Etc...

Desideria (Moderator) says on Jan 3, 2004, 13:57:

Pereira or Cali? Angelo,
go to Cali. Pereira has not anywhere near as much to offer. Pereira has a sleazy reputation in Colombia, while Cali is considered fun, relaxed and friendly.

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

Desideria (Moderator) says on Jan 3, 2004, 14:44:

Pereira has the worst reputation of all Colombian cities for prostitution, dishonesty, drinking, partying yes....all of the above. Low-class and low-brow. Lousy climate too, rains every day, they call it the city of the broken sky. They make jokes about Pereiranas in all Colombia (like...the girls of Pereira are hard of hearing. You tell them to sit down and they go down on their backs...)

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

Peter (Moderator) says on Jan 3, 2004, 16:05:

Salsa Very Funny.

Is it a must to know how to really dance it?

Angelo

Poor but snappy

litost says on Jan 4, 2004, 16:10:

Desideria,

Pereira's reputation as "sleazy" seems a little harsh and exaggerated. Yes, I know all the jokes, believe me... but can anyone honestly say the girls in Cali aren't just as "sleazy", if not more? Actually Cali and Pereira are very similair, of course Cali is like 4 times bigger and in that sense may have "more to offer", but it's a city that's seen a steady decline in its quality of life and importance after the whole drug boom ended a few years ago. On the other hand, Pereira is in a pretty dynamic moment and continues to grow and gain importance as a commercial city (recent opening of a Carrefour store, the mass transportation project Megabus, the recuperation of the slum area near the center and the building of Ciudad Victoria) in Colombia, not to mention as a travel destination due to its location in the middle of the Coffee Region.

I think Pereira is much more suited for going out and enjoying nature in safety than Cali is, the Coffe Region is in most people's opinion the most beautiful part of Colombia because of its mountains, rivers, countryside, etc. that can be enjoyed in safety in places like Salento, Santa Rosa de Cabal, Manizales and the Parque Nacional Natural de los Nevados in general. I also think that, due to the fact that it's a small city and has paisa influence, it's easier to get around and to get to know people who tend to be friendlier. And I don't agree the comment about the weather in Pereira, it probably rains the same in Cali, and in any case the average temperature in Pereira is much more pleasant than the year-round hot sticky temperature in Cali.

But don't get me wrong, Cali is a fun city and is bigger and does have more "urban" things to do. Your best bet is to go and check both out before making any decision.

I personally would choose Manizales or Medellin... if you get the chance visit them too and see for yourself. Let me know if you have any further questions.

Peter (Moderator) says on Jan 4, 2004, 22:46:

Pereira == FARCistas I hear from Colombian friends that going out in the countryside around Pereira is "muy peligroso". I too would like to go hiking in the area, but plan to stay close to the city. When I get there and talk to the locals I will have a better idea and will report back.

Poor but snappy

Desideria (Moderator) says on Jan 5, 2004, 07:33:

Pereira litost,
I'm sure you're right that Pereira has had a positive development in the last few years. It's years since I last visited the place. I was mostly referring to Pereiras reputation in Colombia, which I'm sure is just as exaggerated as Pasto's being the capital of bobos, that all costeños are lazy and all bogotanos are stuck-up, that people of Medellin are industrious, conservative ans parochial, bumangueses loud and boisterous, tumaqueños humble and sweet.Last but not least, Cali rules!

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

sebasenbogotá says on Jan 5, 2004, 11:04:

Pereira I am from Pereira, and I think is a very good city to live in, because it has the good things and infrastracture of a big city, and also the good things of a smaller place such as the easiness to transport, and to meet people,also is much cheaper.
It is true that it rains every day but it is also sunny almost evryday, and the temperature is perfect from 18-26 all the year.
YOu have one of the most beautiful countryside in the country, 3 small departmens(Provinces, States kind of) and three middle size cities, within less than 1 hour one form another. There is plenty of walking, trekking and climbing in the mountains, and is probably one of the safest places of the country due to its small size, and it is also highly populated.
People is very nice, and happy, similar to those in Medellin and Antioquia, even the accent is quite similar.

I think the easiest job is working in an English school, there are lot of them and, I think they won't ask you for lots of things if you are a native speaker, i have seem a few americans, asutralians and brits, so it may not be a lot of trouble, and also you will get to meet lots of people while you teach.

I hope this will help you, if you have a question post it here.

Bye

Sebas Ocampo
Proud to be a Colombian

Suerte ! Sebas

ShazCas says on Jan 5, 2004, 14:57:

Horrible place! I know this is going to offend, but I thought Pereira was one of the UGLIEST places I've ever been to! I lived in Bogota for four years, travelled around Colombia quite a bit and also visited Peru, Bolivia and Ecuador, so I guess you could say I'm not an ill-informed judge. It was sooo ugly, I really regretted going there, and it felt really dangerous too, like being on the dodgier streets of the centre of Bogota ALL the time. I was only in the town centre though, so there might be a really nice barrio somewhere. If you really like zoos, there's an amazing one outside the town. Cali is bigger and therefore has more to offer, but to be honest I didn't like it much either. I was really excited about going, and was very disappointed. Sorry all you Cali lovers-it's just an opinion!!! There's a big long street with lots of bars, which is good, but the plaza in the old town smelt pretty bad. The big park between the "old town" and the "new town" seemed very dangerous. There were some nice parts to Cali too, and the surrounding areas of both cities are amazing. But I wouldn't live in either city. Now Manizales, I would DEFINITELY live there! It's beautiful, and has so much to offer. It's spread out over hills and valleys and is very green-I loved it. I've never been to Medellin, but of course I've been hearing about how amazing it is for years. I think your best bet would be to visit all four cities for a while and see what you think- they're all relatively close together.

A single person will have a lot of fun in any Colombian town! Foreign women don't have to be as confident dancing salsa when they first go to Colombia I think, as men ask them up to dance and take the lead in the dance. Women won't look down on your beginner's salsa, and will enjoy teaching you, but as you're the one who has to lead them, it will give you a bit of confidence if you take a few classes. And there's nothing worse than dancing with a man who can't dance at all, believe me! I'm afraid I don't know much about trekking in the area, so can't help you there. I can tell you that if you don't want to teach English, you have no hope of getting a job!

Lastly, I have a question myself: what does it mean that a women is "americanised"? I'm not from the US and have never been, and I've seen this word used a lot when talking about women on this site. I'm really curious to know, what does it mean?

Good luck!!

Desideria (Moderator) says on Jan 5, 2004, 15:22:

Americanized? I think (I'm not sure,myself being neither Colombian or "American") that some people think they mean women who have acquired North American habits and values; like becoming self-supporting, assertive, independent and in the process given up some of the traditional Colombian values and habits like for example accepting that their husbands/boyfriends have other women and cheat on them, being economically dependent of their men, putting family and children in the first place before a career of their own; this type of things. This is supposed to be a very bad thing and rendering the women undesirable as candidates for mail-order brides and catalogue sweethearts.

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

Desideria (Moderator) says on Jan 5, 2004, 15:33:

Cali/Pereira Neither Cali or Pereira are especially beautiful cities, especially the downtown area in Cali is both filthy and dangerous. I agree with you on that. Cali has really nice northern and southern barrios, and also on the hillside in the west. Pereira I can't say that much of: I have only been there a few times and that was a long time ago. I remember Pereira as messy and unatractive as a city, but I didn't see that much of it. Cali's charm is totally different: it has to do with the warm, yet not opressively hot climate, friendly, well-mannered people, easy and laid back lifestyle, the lovely Valle del Cauca that surrounds it with its sugar cane fields. Both men and women look good and are easily approachable.

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

Peter (Moderator) says on Jan 5, 2004, 17:19:

Hey Tinto,
You might be a redneck if. . .you are an Ugly American?

American women have soiled their own house, and in the process, remade their place in the world an unhappy one. Their need for a "magazine lifestyle" that borders on impossible, has made them a negative in a lot of American men's eyes. The ugliest Americans are now the women who have been reborn as the aggressive insensitive "models" of the future. American men are pussy whipped—hence the naive yearning for a more gentiel time in our history when the sexes had a more clear vision of themselves, and their intercourse with each other.
Sexual roles are reversing in America, and like the supposed reversals of the magnetic poles of the earth, big changes are being made.
Me? I think men and women should never live together—for their own good. After two grasping, controling, and essentially unloving wives, I at least speak for myself with knowledge.
Best,
Lalo
Could this be an aspect of the expanding queer community in America?

Poor but snappy

Peter (Moderator) says on Jan 5, 2004, 17:19:

The 50s I agree with Tinto. The idealized memory of the 50s nuclear family never existed. There was a lot of loneliness in the suburbs (still is).

Poor but snappy

Peter (Moderator) says on Jan 5, 2004, 18:34:

The Ugly American and other literature Nope, no blunders abroad, not yet anyway. Although I'm told my stroll through Bogota's San Victorino plaza could have turned into one. And then there was the solo bike trip between Villa de Leyva and Raquira in which I could have been snatched from the road by assorted bad guys. Lucky for me, earlier that day I purchased a little sticker or decal from the Order of the Carmelites (sp?) in VdL and learned it was the patron saint of taxi drivers. I figured taxi - bike - transportation...it's all the same. Like Jake and Elwood in the Blues Brothers, I was on a mission from God, or at least protected by God. ;-) It was a long, hot ride but at the end I had an excellent serving of feijoa ice cream and a chilly cerveca Leona. Made it all worthwhile. :-)

By the way, since it's a little bit on topic, are you enjoying "The Progress Paradox?" Is it mostly about some people feeling rotten in the U.S. when, by most measures, things have never been better? I'd be curious to know if compares/contrasts with other countries as well.

Regards,
Tinto

Poor but snappy

Peter (Moderator) says on Jan 5, 2004, 18:55:

oh Hello All:

Thanks for all your comments about Cali & Pereira. I appreciate your time given to answer these questions.
As for the "americanized" comment I made, let's just say some of us who had traditional upbringing back in our countries, experience our growing up a bit different when In places like NY & London. I have been to both cities, I could say a thing or two or more about those two places, however, nothing negative will come out from me. There's always A negative & positive side to everything & although never been in Colombia, I chose to see the positive good side although do not completely be ignorant to the bad side of it.
Someone made an interesting & comical comment about "Could this be an aspect of the expanding queer community in America?". That person actually has some deep thoughst of someone who might have been discriminated in a certain way, say from women in the states, His perspective can be narcisistic but quite good. It can be obvious how people change when they begin a life in the states. I dont like biting the hands that feeds.
Ever heard that song from lenny kravitz "american woman"?

Any advantage is being fluent in Spanish if someone wants to teach English? Sometimes my accent comes out. ;)

Angelo

Poor but snappy

Peter (Moderator) says on Jan 11, 2004, 20:10:

i love pereira i was born in pereira, pereira is one of the best cities in the world, womens are beatiful and very friendly, and what about the nigth clubs, excellent la cantina, casa pueblo, kings club,etc, nice place to do shopping, la 14, alcideres arevalo, anyways i want to say hi to everybody in pereira

Poor but snappy

Peter (Moderator) says on Jan 16, 2004, 07:21:

Pereira, Just a City I born in Pereira, now i Living in NY. I can say is exaggerate the coments about Pereira like sleazy city. Is a small city. full of nice people,like all cities of the world, have prostitution matter, like all cities of the word, have nice and beautiful places, like all cities of the world. You can be a bad boy or a saint, t you decide that in pereira or in wherever part of the world. You know if you do anything, you think about it....whoes does it, imagine it too...

Poor but snappy

Peter (Moderator) says on Jan 19, 2004, 02:42:

Pereira is a wonderful place.. My dear friends;

You don't know what you are missing...

There are beautiful young women .. all over the place.

What type of person you are will attract the type of women you deserve... and when you go to a new city, you will attract people simular to you..

Please traslate the following story..it is excelent


Habia una vez un anciano que pasaba los dias sentado junto a un pozo a la entrada del pueblo.

Un dia, un joven se le acerco y le pregunto: -Yo nunca he venido por estos lugares. Como son los habitantes de esta ciudad?

El anciano le respondió con otra pregunta: -Cómo eran los habitantes de la ciudad de la que vienes?
-Egoístas y malvados, por eso me he sentido contento de haber salido de allí.
-"Asi son los habitantes de esta ciudad", le respondió el anciano.
Un poco despues, otro joven se acerco al anciano y le hizo la misma pregunta: -Voy llegando a este lugar. Como son los habitantes de esta ciudad?

El anciano de nuevo le contesto con la misma pregunta: -¿Como eran los habitantes de la ciudad de donde vienes?
-Eran buenos, generosos, hospitalarios y trabajadores. Tenia tantos amigos que me ha costado mucho separarme de ellos.
-Tambien los habitantes de esta ciudad son asi - respondio el anciano.

Un hombre que habia llevado sus animales a tomar agua al pozo y que habia escuchado la conversacion, en cuanto el joven se alejo, le dijo al anciano: -Como puedes dar dos respuestas completamente diferentes a la misma pregunta hecha por dos personas?
-Mira - le respondio - Cada uno lleva el universo en su corazon. Quien no ha encontrado nada bueno en su pasado, tampoco lo hallara aqui. En cambio, aquel que tenia amigos en su ciudad, encontrara tambien aqui amigos leales y fieles. Porque las personas son lo que encuentran en si mismas; encuentran siempre lo que esperan encontrar.

Las personas tenemos tendencia a rodearnos de otros seres que comparten en gran medida nuestro estilo de vida. Y si estamos rodeados de gente, por ejemplo, egoista, es porque en alguna medida tambien lo somos. Por el contrario, si estamos rodeados de personas amistosas, es porque nuestro temperamento es tambien amistoso.

Si no somos propensos a algo, por ejemplo a la amistad, aunque nos rodeemos de personas que cultivan la amistad como un verdadero tesoro, nunca lograremos abrirnos completamente a ese sentimiento, ya que nuestra esencia no lo considera.

Nuestra esencia nos lleva hacia sujetos de esencias semejantes. Por eso, los pobres de espiritu, aqui o alla, se conectaran con espiritus tambien pobres. En cambio, los ricos de espiritu buscaran, esten donde esten, a quienes puedan contribuir a incrementar su riqueza.

Jesus Gonzales

Estados Unidos

Poor but snappy

mick says on Jun 23, 2004, 01:21:

English schools in Pereira I am going to move to Pereira in September for a while with my also proudly Colombian-born wife and son. While she will work there as an accountant, I am looking for work teaching English. As a native speaker of English (from Australia) with a TESOL qualification I am hoping to find the contact details for some language schools which I can approach before leaving Australia. Have you any suggestions?
Many thanks, Michael Ballek

go2pr says on Jun 23, 2004, 03:42:

Bucaramanga. Bucaramanga has not been (from what I know) so much reported on the forum, and I wish to know if Colombians (or people who've already visited this city) consider it as a pleasant place to visit (beauty and safety of surroundings, kindness of inhabitants, nightlife, ect ...) of as a really unactractive and dangerous city, as I heard from other sources...

(sorry to jump in a "Cali and Pereira" discussion, but I didn't want to open a new thread just for this little question)

Thanks

joal2k4 says on Aug 4, 2004, 02:42:

Pereira or a whorehouse in Cali......

[Comment deleted. Personal attacks are not allowed! Argue the argument, not the person.]

Desideria (Moderator) says on Aug 4, 2004, 11:03:

with friends like the previous poster, who needs enemies. The appreciation I made about Pereira (sorry sebas and litost...it's not your fault) has been proven true beyond any doubt.
Cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

ShazCas says on Aug 4, 2004, 11:45:

Peter... Peter, I think according to your rules, what joal2k4 just wrote constitutes a personal attack. There is no call for it, it is unacceptable and should be removed straight away.

joal2k4 says on Aug 4, 2004, 14:36:

cali whores

[Comment deleted because of personal attack. (And yes, I read Spanish too)]

TRASNOCHADORYMORENO says on Aug 4, 2004, 14:55:

Cali.... Definitivamente me da verguenza leer la basura que individuos como "SHAZCAS" O EL TAL "DESIDERIO" DEJAN EN ESTE FORO.Tal ves este par de DEESADAPTADOS no entienden que aqui lo que se trata es de dejar una imagen positiva de colombia y en especial de sus ciudades.
Bien hace JOAL2K4 en defender la dignidad de toda una ciudad tan bella y acogedora como lo es Pereira.DESIDERIO me das verdadera lastima que dizque siendo una mujer, te dediques a criticar y a hacer burla de todo un pueblo generoso como el del eje cafetero.Pero... en fin bien dicho esta : MIRAS LA PAJA EN OJO AJENO Y NO MIRAS LA VIGA QUE TIENES EN EL PROPIO.

"CON LA VARA QUE MIDES ... TE MEDIRAN"

Yo estoy de acuerdo con la amiga puerto riquena acerca de lo que ya se conoce en todo el mundo acerca de los problemas de alta criminalidad de Cali y vi con mis ojos aqui en nueva york , el aspecto negativo de ver como las mujeres, en especial de Cali ejercen la profesion mas antigua del mundo.la verdad es que pues las de Cali son mujeres bonitas y muy solicitadas en prostibulos y bares al rededor de todas las ciudades con presencia latina en USA.

Desideria (Moderator) says on Aug 5, 2004, 09:29:

bringing this one up hoping that Peter will look at it, and see if this kind of personal attack against me and also ShazCas should be allowed to be here. I think it's against the best interest of most participants on this board to have to read that. Personally, I find it offensive, vulgar and as Shaz already stated, uncalled for.
Cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

ShazCas says on Aug 5, 2004, 12:12:

Que vulgar! Joal2k4
No eres capaz de decir tus insultos horribles en ingles?? Que es lo que te molesta de que los demas tengan sus opiniones? Desideria por lo menos espresa sus opniones de una manera adulta y decente, pero solo un cobarde insulta de la manera que tu lo haces, sabiendo que estas en el internet y nadie te ve! Crees que leyendo lo que has escrito, los demas van a estar persuadidos?? Es a eso que refiere Desideria (se que tu unica celula cerebral no capto esto), que no eres muy buena propaganda para Pereira!! Te parece muy maduro decir insultos sexuales a una persona que nisiquiera conoces? Que impresionas a alguien? Me das asco. Mejor que estes en EEUU y no en Colombia. Decir que cada persona en una ciudad es puta es estupido e inmaduro.

Trasnochador y Moreno,

Bueno, puede ser que no estes de acuerdo con mi opnion de Pereira, o con lo que dijo Desideria, pero has leido algunas de las otras coass que yo he dicho en este foro sobre Colombia? No me gusta Pereira, que pena, pues!!! Me fascinan todas las otras ciudades y pueblos de Colombia, Colombia es mi segundo pais, lo adoro!!

Y este foro se trata de eso, de intercambiar ideas - nadie va a estar de acuerdo sobre todo todo el tiempo. Pero como puedes decir que estas de acuerdo con Joal2k4 cuando dice cosas tan ofensivas?

joal2k4 says on Aug 5, 2004, 16:58:

DESIDERIO EL HOMO...:

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mzzmerized says on Aug 5, 2004, 17:19:

ya basta vayase de ese sitio si te enojes tanto a leer opiniones contrarios de los tuyos!!!!

TRASNOCHADORYMORENO says on Aug 5, 2004, 17:29:

Al tal "Desiderio" y "FIAZCOS" Se nota las pocas neuronas que tienen. Les duele la herida , por que una mujer NO COLOMBIANA , tenga que veniR y ver las pestes que ustedes dos dejan y los ponga en el sitio que se merecen ambos.

Parecen dos culicagados dando quejas por lo que joal2k4 dice de ustedes dos. Ella dijo la verdad , aunque fuera cruda en el comentario.
Joal2k4 tampoco generalizo en contra de todas las mujeres de ninguna parte, mas bien ACLARO la realidad de muchas mujeres de CALI , aqui en USA. Lee bien y veras que ella misma afirma y profesa su aprEcio y amor por todo el pueblo colombiano(excepto por ustedes);Ella reafirma la berraquera de la mayoria en colombia, que a pesar de tanto problema, siguen adelante y luchan como TITANES.esos REGIONALISMOS ESTUPIDOS que ustedes tratan de hacer , con burlas y desprecios a otras regiones de colombia, solo dejan a relucir la cruda REALIDAD en Colombia: aqui todos estan EN CONTRA de TODOS. Somos HERMANOS, PERO ENEMIGOS. Seguimos con la estupida percepcion, de que "MI REGION ES MEJOR QUE AQUELLA" La verdad ASUSTA: parecemos una YUGOSLAVIA a punto de DESINTEGRARSE!!

Acciones, actos traicioneros como los suyos, ponene en tela de juicio la fabrica social que une al pueblo COLOMBIANO.

COLOMBIA ES MAS !! SOMOS MAS!! NUESTRO PUEBLO ES EN GRAN PARTE DIGNO.

Yo me siento orgulloso de ser COLOMBIANO , no como ustedes 2 , que se averguenzan de serlo.

Consejos les doy:

RESPETEN A COLOMBIA!!
RESPETEN PEREIRA(BELLA CIUDAD, LINDAS GENTES!,PUEBLO HOSPITALARIO)

PERO SOBRE TODO:

RESPETEN A LAS MUJERES, CARAJO!! NO GENERALICEN NI PONGAN EN TELA DE JUICIO SU DIGNIDAD!! ustedes tienen madres, hijas, tias, abuelas, ASI QUE ANTES DE DEJAR PESTES AQUI, LO PIENSEN AL MENOS UNAS MIL VECES, ANTES DE DEJAR TAN RIDICULOS COMENTARIOS AQUI!!

COLOMBIA TE AMO ENTERA!!!

nota: Apreciada joal2k4, de antemano le pido disculpas por las BURRADAS que DESIDERIO y el tal FIAZCOS dejan en estos foros. Le agradezco tambien por creer en nuestra gente Colombiana, y por Visitarnos.Yo le doy la razon a usted y creo firmemente que UNA MUJER QUE SE BURLA DE OTRA MUJER, NO MERECE SERLO!!

LA DIGNIDAD HUMANA Y EN ESPECIAL DE LA MUJER EN GENERAL ,JAMAS PUEDEN SER ULTRAJADOS!!

PEREIRAESHOSPITALARIA says on Aug 5, 2004, 17:54:

DESIDERIA Y CHAZCAS .VERGONZOSO!! Le doy la razon joal2k4. estos dos : desideria y chascas se pasaron de intolerantes ,ignorantes e insoportables.
Ya era tiempo que alguien les callara la boca a ese par de DELINCUENTES.

Amigo joal2k4: gracias por su apoyo

Amigo trasnochadorymoreno: Usted me hace sentir orgulloso de ser COLOMBIANO.Yo tambien creo en COLOMBIA , apesar de estas dos LACRAS: desideria y chazcas

mzzmerized says on Aug 5, 2004, 18:41:

Wow Desideria and Chazcas...man, you been told off!! LOL...I hope you gals can sleep tonight! (Snuggled up to your Colombianos, I'm sure you sleep just fine.) Some people need to lighten up!!!!

litost says on Aug 5, 2004, 19:43:

Hehehehe.... these people crack me up, it's even funnier than elmo's posts.

But I do worry about the quality of this website if those types of posts keep on proliferating. If these so-called defendants of Pereira are truely looking to restore its honor, I think that vulgarity and intolerance won't exactly help much.

Anybody who's been a regular of this site knows that Desi and Shaz don't deserve any of those attacks, I say let's just let these people play themselves out and hope they don't spread to the rest of the threads which still conserve some shread of decency.

piccolinoaa says on Aug 5, 2004, 22:24:

pereira o cali La mera neta es que yo soy Mexicano y estuve en Colombia en el 2001 para la copa america. Estuve en Cali para la primera ronda. La verdad es que los de Cali son amables , pero un poco pervertidos. a la salida del hotel donde me hospede, me rodeaban hasta 4 y 5 hombres ofreciendome "CHIMBAS DE CALI" yo les pregunte si era alguna fruta tropical o que onda! pero me dijeron que no, que lo que ellos me ofrecian era, chicas de Cali para sexo. Incluso me ofrecian nenitas de hasta 8 anios de edad!!
Les digo que senti nauseas de tanta maldad de esas gentes.Yo un Cristiano fiel siendo tentado para tener sexo con bebes?? que se creyeron estos cuates? que yo era algun pedofilo??No todos los turistas que vamos por Cali , buscamos turismo sexual!!

en las semifinales , estuve en Pereira , y las gentes eran un poco mas educadas que en Cali.Alla no habian Degenerados a las puertas del hotel ,ofreciendo SEXO con MENORES.Otra cosa es que de veras las chamacas de Pereira son bien guapas.Me hize amigo de unas cuantas jovenes de Pereira y que sorpresa, alla en Pereira hay una gran congregacion de personas que le sirven a CRISTO!!!
Fui invitado a conocer varias iglesias y de VERAS me senti SUPER.
Segun supe alla en Pereira habia un sector donde estaban las mujeres Prostitutas, (segun supe, gran cantidad de ellas eran de Cali y Medellin), era llamado LA GALERIA (MERCADO)pero el sitio fue demolido, y en su lugar se erige un hermoso parque de recreacion ,edificios de negocios y oficinas. Yo estuve alli para constatarlo.Si eres Mexicano como yo, te recomiendo que vengas a Pereira, alla hay hermosos parques, centros comerciales,;la gente es encantadora; hay iglesias cristianas en muchos lugares; la ciudad es muy limpia; hay mucho civismo y sus habitantes son muy industriosos(la ciudad de Pereira es muy similar a Monterrey en desarrollo urbanistico y en sus monumentales paisajes de cordilleras y verdes praderas.tienen industrias pujante y la construccion esta en su mayor auge)

TRASNOCHADORYMORENO says on Aug 5, 2004, 23:03:

LITOST: WHAT DO YOU MEAN EXACTLY???...
"If these so-called defendants of Pereira are truely looking to restore its honor, I think that vulgarity and intolerance won't exactly help much."

WE THE CITIZENS OF PEREIRA HAVE NOTHING TO "RESTORE" HERE!!

WE ARE A PROUD PEOPLE AND DO HAVE DIGNITY AND HONOR!! MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT!!

IF YOU CALL VULGARITY , THE TRUE WORDS OF A PUERTO RICAN WOMAN ,WHO STOOD AGAINST THE NONSENSE AND STUPIDITY OF PEOPLE LIKE DESIDERIA,THEN THATS YOUR PROBLEM. IT WILL BE A GOOD IDEA IF YOU LEFT THE REST OF US OUT OF THIS "BEEF".I OPPOSE THE COMMENTS THAT CLOWN DESIDERIA MADE ABOUT OUR WOMEN, BUT THEN AGAIN, WHO AM I TO JUDGE HER..AND WHO IS SHE TO JUDGE AND GENERALIZE OTHERS!! RIGHT??
IF YOU DONT LIKE THE COMMENTS LEFT BY MS JOAL2K4, THEN YOU ARE VERY WELCOME TO DIRECTLY ADDRESS HER AND ARRANGE A FACE TO FACE TALK WITH HER.SHE CLEARLY STATED HOW PISSED SHE WAS WITH PEOPLE LIKE DESIDERIA AND CHAZCAS.

I PERSONALLY SAW ONE OF YOUR COMMENTS AND THOUGHT IT WAS AN INTELLIGENT RESPONSE TO DESIDERIAS INSANITY.BUT NOW YOU EVEN SEEM TO FORGET HER IDIOTIC COMMENTS AND EVEN IMPLY THAT SOME OF THE MEMBERS OUTRAGE FOR THE WORDS SHE WROTE, ARE ACTUAL ATTACKS AGAINST SUCH "NOBLE" PEOPLE.

I THINK THAT YOU LACK CRITERIA AND ARE DRIVEN BY "OTHERS" OPINIONS AND NOT YOUR OWN.

TO MR PICCOLINOAA:

I TRULLY APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT OUR CITY AND LOOK FORWAD TO HAVE YOU VISIT US AT YOUR CONVENIENCE. GOD BLESS YOU.

cono_sur says on Aug 6, 2004, 00:28:

Pereira o cali.... Angelo si sos argentino te recomiendo a Pereira viejo!!
Pereira es una ciudad muy amable. las bebas son preciosas.Paisaje espectacular. Sitios de turismo seguro como ninguna parte de Colombia.
Las nenas son espontaneas y amables. nada que ver con las de Cali que son mas astutas y calculadoras que ninguna.Vos encontras Pereiranas bellas por toda la ciudad. En cali tambien hay bebas hermosas , pero no se te acercan por que les caees bien, mas bien por ver cuanto dinero traes .

Pereira es muy al estilo Cordoba o Rosario ,Argentina, muy limpia y organizada, tiene sitios para divertirte sanamente por todos los puntos cardinales:

los termales de Santa Rosa, La Laguna Del Otun, Parque de Los Nevados, Cerritos, etc..te podes divertir en gran numero de clubes y discotecas, , podes hacer deporte en la Villa o en varios bailnearios , en la via a un pueblito llamado Cartago. Muy cerca tenes otra ciudad mas pequena , pero igual de amable y hermosa; Manizales(las gentes alli son muy cultas y religiosas)..al otro extremo de Pereira tenes la opccion de conocer Armenia,, otra ciudad cafetera, conocida por sus artesanias y paisajes de encanto.

De cali a Pereira, yo escogeria y te recomiendo a Pereira...Es mas segura, Hay gentes mas honestas y amistosas.

ohh se me olvidava , si vos practicas el esqui, cerca te podes encontrar con el Nevado Del Ruiz(mas cerca de Manizales), alla hay un complejo hotelero con varias opciones como esqui, exploracion etc.. Lanieve es muy suave y blanca , asi como en Bariloche viejo!!

PEREIRAESHOSPITALARIA says on Aug 6, 2004, 00:42:

GRACIAS CONO_SUR.... Sus palabras no pueden ser mas acertadas!! Asi como usted describe al eje cafetero , asi somos en realidad. A la miseria no le gusta vivir sola, de ahi ciertos comentarios generalistas y denigrantes en contra de nuestras mujeres. Somos Y seguiremos siendo una ciudad y una region HOSPITALARIA!! no importa que nos envidien. A pesar que los Pereiranos y colombia en general admiramos a nuestros equipos como EL ONCE CALDAS.Aqui recibimos a BOCA JUNIORS como en su casa. Los argentinos y todos los demas pueblos Sur Americanos son y seguiran siendo bien venidos aqui!!

bonita appreciacion acerca del parecido entre nuestras ciudades!! nada lejos de la realidad. Aqui en Pereira viven un sinnumero de Argentinos que vinieron y se quedaron con nosotros, igual tenemos una comunidad uruguaya como paraguaya tambien!!

piccolinoaa says on Aug 6, 2004, 00:49:

Pereiraeshospitalaria, no te olvides de .... Que paso carnal?/ acaso se te olvido la respetable presencia de mas de 3500 Mexicanos que llaman a Pereira su hogar!!

bien sabes de los Mexicanos que gozamos ,reimos y lloramos cuando El Deportivo Pereira juega. Acuerdate de los Mexicanos que se volcaron al estadio Hernan Ramirez Villegas para apoyar a nuestra seleccion Mexicana!!

no nos olvides hermano Pereirano, Mexico tambien dice PRESENTE en Pereira!

PEREIRAESHOSPITALARIA says on Aug 6, 2004, 01:04:

PICCOLINOAA TE OFREZCO MIL DISCULPAS... Si hombre en efecto, aqui en Pereira tenemos una comunidad Mexicana. No lo niego. Gente tan aguerrida y luchadora como la Mexicana ,Ya dejaron una huella inborrable entre nosotros.
SIP! ustedes dejaron un grato recuerdo aqui en nuestra ciudad, especialmente en Copa America 2001.
Picco te agradezco la apreciacion y en hora buena !!

eres un Mexicano bien padre !!

ShazCas says on Aug 6, 2004, 09:00:

Agresion Bueno, primero,

Trasnochador, hablando de mi, tu escribiste:

"Acciones, actos traicioneros como los suyos, ponene en tela de juicio la fabrica social que une al pueblo COLOMBIANO."

y

"Yo me siento orgulloso de ser COLOMBIANO , no como ustedes 2 , que se averguenzan de serlo"

Y Pereirashotspit, escribiste:

"Amigo trasnochadorymoreno: Usted me hace sentir orgulloso de ser COLOMBIANO.Yo tambien creo en COLOMBIA, apesar de estas dos LACRAS: desideria y chazcas"

Pues, no se de que hablan, porque ninguna de las dos somos colombianas. Yo soy de Irlanda del Norte, y vivi en Bogota unos años, asi que eso lo tienen mal. Fui a Pereira y Cali de visita, y he viajado por buena parte de Colombia. No se por que se ofenden tanto con mis opiniones, porque yo solo he espresado una opinion sobre este asunto una vez, el primero de mayo de este año, y esto fue parte de lo que escribi:

"I know this is going to offend, but I thought Pereira was one of the UGLIEST places I've ever been to! I lived in Bogota for four years, travelled around Colombia quite a bit and also visited Peru, Bolivia and Ecuador, so I guess you could say I'm not an ill-informed judge. It was sooo ugly, I really regretted going there, and it felt really dangerous too, like being on the dodgier streets of the centre of Bogota ALL the time. I was only in the town centre though, so there might be a really nice barrio somewhere. If you really like zoos, there's an amazing one outside the town. Cali is bigger and therefore has more to offer, but to be honest I didn't like it much either. I was really excited about going, and was very disappointed. Sorry all you Cali lovers-it's just an opinion!!!

There's a big long street with lots of bars, which is good, but the plaza in the old town smelt pretty bad. The big park between the "old town" and the "new town" seemed very dangerous. There were some nice parts to Cali too, and the surrounding areas of both cities are amazing. But I wouldn't live in either city.

Now Manizales, I would DEFINITELY live there! It's beautiful, and has so much to offer. It's spread out over hills and valleys and is very green-I loved it. I've never been to Medellin, but of course I've been hearing about how amazing it is for years. I think your best bet would be to visit all four cities for a while and see what you think- they're all relatively close together."

Si quieren ver el resto, ahi esta arriba. Y bueno, dije algo sobre las mujeres?????? NO, NADA!! Yo JAMAS hablaria mal de todas las mujeres en cualquier ciudad del mundo, a mi no me importa la profesion de una mujer, yo defiendo los derechos de la mujer, sea donde sea. Asi que por que me atacan con sus comentarios ofensivos?

Bueno, no les gusta que diga mi opinion sobre Pereira y Cali, pues solo doy mi opnion personal, no ofendo a nadie personalmente con insultos, como ustedes lo hacen. Tienen que saber tolerar el hecho de que hay otras personas que tienen opiniones diferentes de los suyos, y saber dar sus opiniones de una manera madura y convincente. Creen que me van a cambiar de opinion insultandome?

Le dije a Peter que quitara los comentarios de joal2k4 porque las reglas de este sitio dicen que no puedes insultar personalmente a nadie, especialmente usando groserias sexuales asi como esa persona lo hizo. No era por su opinion, sino por el lenguaje.

Trasnochador, dijiste "Les duele la herida , por que una mujer NO COLOMBIANA..."

y tambien:

IF YOU DONT LIKE THE COMMENTS LEFT BY MS JOAL2K4, THEN YOU ARE VERY WELCOME TO DIRECTLY ADDRESS HER AND ARRANGE A FACE TO FACE TALK WITH HER.SHE CLEARLY STATED HOW PISSED SHE WAS WITH PEOPLE LIKE DESIDERIA AND CHAZCAS.

Sabes muy bien que eso es imposible, y seria muy caro el viaje! A mi me importa un carajo la nacionalidad de la vieja, yo tampoco soy colombiana, como ya les dije, la cosa es que el lenguaje que uso era inacceptable.

Me llamaron:

DELINCUENTES
DEESADAPTADOS
LACRAS

Creen que eso va a convencer a alguien? Que eso impresiona a alguien? Pues aun me gusta su pais, apesar de personas como ustedes, que me insultan por dar mi opinion sobre unas ciudades. Menos mal conoci a mucha gente muy linda alla que me trato muy bien, y nadie me trato asi.


Y si me van a insultar, por lo menos haganlo en MI IDIOMA.

Desideria (Moderator) says on Aug 6, 2004, 10:16:

Colombian clichés
"I'm sure you're right that Pereira has had a positive development in the last few years. It's years since I last visited the place. I was mostly referring to Pereiras reputation in Colombia, which I'm sure is just as exaggerated as Pasto's being the capital of bobos, that all costeños are lazy and all bogotanos are stuck-up, that people of Medellin are industrious, conservative ans parochial, bumangueses loud and boisterous, tumaqueños humble and sweet.Last but not least, Cali rules!
Pereira"
I'm quoting my own answer to litost's reply to my comments about Pereira.
It clarifies more than any offensive and crude shouting match the point that I was making, namely that I was referring to the comments that I had heard about Pereira when I lived in Colombia, plus a rather poor first impression when I visited the city. I thought that this was "old news", but then when reading the "foros" in Caracol Radio I came across the same type of comments about Pereira and realized that the cliches that I had thought had outlived their day were well alive and kicking.
Everybody who has been reading these posts for any length of time knows by now that I'm not Colombian. I did live 12 years in Cali, and also consider Colombia my adopted country. I have never been a "lacra" or anything like that, but worked and paid my taxes plus contributed to the social security that I'll never collect. I do have right to have opinions of my own, like everybody else, without being called by the foulest names and without being accused of every anomality in sexual preferences.
Y, para que quede bien en claro, tambien hablo Español, y además, tengo una "ortografía" bastante aceptable para una persona quien no nació en un país hispanoparlante.
Suerte/cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

TRASNOCHADORYMORENO says on Aug 6, 2004, 12:20:

que pesar de estos dos mariposos:desideria y chazcas pauperrimo espectaculo dan las dos!!a millas se nota que son de Cali, pero que les da verguenza de ser Colombianas.

APOLOGY NOT ACCEPTED!!

SHAME ON YOU BOTH!!

GLAD ITS ONLY THE 2 OF YOU WHO ACT SO HYPOCRITICALLY!!

GO READ THE EXCELLENT COMMENTS LEFT BY QUITE A FEW LATIN AMERICANS ,ABOUT OUR BELOVED PEREIRA. READ AND LEARN!!

THEY RATHER COME VISIT US , THAN VISIT CALI. ITS THEIR CHOICE AND YOU SHOULD RESPECT IT LIKE WE ALL DO.

STEREOTYPES ARE NOT ACCEPTED HERE.

DOUBT VERY MUCH YOU ARE IRISH SHAZCAS. IRISH PEOPLE ARE NOBLE PEOPLE, UNLESS IT HAPPENS TO BE AN IRISH SNAKE.

BY THE WAY SAY HI TO MY BRITISH FRIENDS. I HEARD THAT THEY RULE YOUR WARRED AND DIVIDED COUNTRY.NOT ALL THINGS NEGATIVE ARE IN PEREIRA ONLY!!RIGHT?

OR ARE YOU AMNESIAC AND ALREADY FORGOT THE ALMOST 60 YEAR OLD WAR THAT THE IRA DECLARED ON ALL GREAT BRITAIN(A TERRORIST WAR THAT IS!)

REGARDLESS, i HAVE A LOT OF IRISH FRIENDS, AND NONE OF THEM ARE AS SLIMY AS YOU ARE.( I TRULLY BELIEVE YOU ARE SOME CALENA ENVIDIOSA , WHO HATES PEREIRA TO DEATH)

piccolinoaa says on Aug 6, 2004, 12:38:

WOW!!i see what you and joal2k4 are talking about!! Couldnt agree more with you Trasno...y Joal2k4. comments left by desideria are totally uncalled for.How unfurtunate, that a woman will feel at easy , DENIGRATING,GENERALIZING AND STEREOTYPING a whole community, in ths case , WOMEN from Pereira.Desideria, I think you are shameless to do such thing. Its not a joke . Women in general should be respected, NO MATTER WHO THEY ARE!!

Now this is for you Desideria:
You are far from reality here. Truth is that I visited Pereira , and women are mostly respectable, not the whores or sleazy as you say.
Prostitutes are everywhere, Mexico, Colombia , you name it , all over the world.Now how can you tell or judge who is MAS PUTA than others.You are ridiculous!!

in my stays in cali and Pereira, I honestly declare that cali is trully festering with prostitutes, not the case in Pereira, which did have a few of them, but nat as SCANDALOUS as in cali(most be because cali is twice as big and twice as perverse as Pereira)

cono_sur says on Aug 6, 2004, 12:47:

QUE PASO CHE??? Y acabo de ler los comentarios de desideria .Esta nena esta dolida !!
me imagino que algun Pereirano le a roto el corazon, Para que se exprese de manera tan ofensiva de los Pereiranos.
Amiga desideria, yo no estoy de acuerdo con usted!! sus comentarios son arbitrarios y aqui en argentina tonteras como ls comentarios suyos les decimos "BOLUDECES" propias de "PELOTUDOS".
Espero y recapacite. Nada mejor que acceptar los errores y ofrecer disculpas VERDAD?

piccolinoaa says on Aug 6, 2004, 13:18:

Desideria read your comments: THIS IS WHAT YOU WROTE AND WHAT GOT AN HONORABLE CITY UP IN ARMS AGAINST YOU:

Pereira has the worst reputation of all Colombian cities for prostitution, dishonesty, drinking, partying yes....all of the above. Low-class and low-brow. Lousy climate too, rains every day, they call it the city of the broken sky. They make jokes about Pereiranas in all Colombia (like...the girls of Pereira are hard of hearing. You tell them to sit down and they go down on their backs...)
HMMM WOW , YOU SEEM TO KNOW PEREIRA BETTER THAN EVEN PEREIRANOS THEM SELVES. NOT BAD FOR AN IRISH BRAT, WHO ONLY STAYED THERE FOR A VERY BRIEF TIME.SO TELL ME GIRL. WHAT ELSE DO YOU KNOW SO PERFECTLY ABOUT THE CITY OF PEREIRA???BOBA cALENA

DONT BE A HYPOCRIT AND JUST MAKE QUOTES OF THE OTHER COMMENTS YOU MADE, WHICH WERE NOT AS INSULTING.

NOT TOO SHABBY!!RIGHT BRAT??

cono_sur says on Aug 6, 2004, 13:42:

Esto es una Papa caliente!! Ni siquiera yo sabia que Pereira era tan odiada .

Muestra un Boton:

Desideria escribio esto y yo me opongo totalmente a tan ATORRANTE comentario:


"Pereira has the worst reputation of all Colombian cities for prostitution, dishonesty, drinking, partying yes....all of the above. Low-class and low-brow. Lousy climate too, rains every day, they call it the city of the broken sky. They make jokes about Pereiranas in all Colombia (like...the girls of Pereira are hard of hearing. You tell them to sit down and they go down on their backs...)"

Far from the truth Desideria.You obviously went TOO FAR.

shameless, crude, outrageous stereotype!!

ShazCas says on Aug 6, 2004, 14:28:

Northern Irish and proud of it! I AM from Northern Ireland Trasnochador, and proud of it! You can click on my name and you'll see a photo of me - you'll see that I'm not Caleña.

You can't talk about the IRA, or the UVF, or the UFF, or the INLA, because YOU know sweet FA about all that - so don't even start! I was born in County Tyrone, and studied in Belfast before I went to Bogota to live. I'm a translator and interpreter, and thanks for the compliment on my Spanish!

I have not apologised. I have no need to. I have insulted no-one, and have called no-one any names, unlike you.

Piccolinoaa, Desideria is NOT Irish, I am, get your facts right.

Desideria (Moderator) says on Aug 6, 2004, 14:50:

and then.... they also say that Pereira is not the city of open doors.....it's a city with open legs.....
but that would be adding gasoline to the fire.....

get real people, I'm not apologizing for a commentary I made, neither I'm trying to defend myself.

I'm not Irish, that's Shaz. I'm not a caleña either, though I wouldn't mind being one.
cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

mzzmerized says on Aug 6, 2004, 15:18:

WHOOOOSH here we go! call the bomberos!!!

sebasenbogotá says on Aug 6, 2004, 16:40:

Parce dejen de pelear por bobadas Tambien soy de Pereira

Desideria y ShazCaz dieron sus puntos de vista que reflejan lo que mucha gente piensa de nuestra ciudad, especialmente los mismos colombianos, ya ustedes dijeron como yo que no estan de acuerdo con esos estereotipos estúpidos de que todas las pereiranas son putas, y eso es muy aceptable, pero creo que es suficiente la insultadera y las maricadas que se dicen, ya el punto esta claro.

Pereira tiene partes muy lindas, y en este momento esta teniendo una mejora impresionante con Ciudad Victoria y pronto el Megabus, pero a su vez tiene partes muy feas como la vieja galeria, lastima que ellas se acuerdan mas de lo malo, pero los que hemos vivido en Pereira sabemos como es de agradable vivir alla.

Desi, and ShazCaz, as I always say I respect your comments, next time you come to Pereira and you will see how it has changed for good, take care and keep posting your opinions, you are a great part of this forum.

Suerte !

Sebas

Suerte ! Sebas

Desideria (Moderator) says on Aug 6, 2004, 17:09:

sebas absolutely, I'm due a new visit to your city and thanks for being such a mature person in spite of your age. I got in a lot of trouble for an off-hand comment I made, it wasn't really worth all that. Some things just don't ever change in Colombia, and old ideas die hard. BTW is Bolivar still riding without even a shirt on his back in Pereira?
cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

ShazCas says on Aug 6, 2004, 17:10:

Thank you very much Sebas, that's really nice of you. I hope you will be able to see that I have never made any comment about the women of any city, and although I have stuck up for Desi because of the bad language that some people used towards her, I don't agree with her opinion of women in Pereira. Sorry Desi, I don't think you can say that the women of any city are of any kind - we are all individuals in this world. And if a woman is a prostitute - who cares? I certainly don't - what's the big news - hasn't anyone been to Amsterdam?

I'm sure there are LOTS of lovely people in your city Sebas, even though there are some here on this website who aren't very nice. Oh well, they're the first Colombians I've ever "met" who've been horrible to me and insulted me, so I don't care about them.

Vayaseadormirpuesydejenosenpaz, Pirolin A!A! and Pereiramuestromiescupir, I don't give a flying f**k what you think!!

Desideria (Moderator) says on Aug 6, 2004, 17:22:

shaz That's ok Shaz, and thanks for defending me on this issue. I understand your point of view, even if I don't share it totally: I'm very much against child prostitution and abuse of minors in any country, not just in Colombia. Unfortunately, both child labor and child prostitution, and even child soldiers do exist in Colombia, and that's the reason why I get involved in these discussions to no end.
As to prostitution in general, I have no problem with it, as long as the people involved in it are doing it of their free will.
Cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

ShazCas says on Aug 6, 2004, 17:31:

I agree with you totally on this, Desi.

One thing that really annoys me is that I didn't know about the Bolivar statue when I was in Pereira, so I went to the square but didn't really look at it, so I missed it :-( A friend of mine was taking photos of all the Bolivar statues around Colombia, and she told me about Pereira's statue being special.

Now that Sebas has told me about the good things in Pereira, I'll go back, and I'll see the statue. I hope I don't meet Vayaseadormirpuesydejenosenpaz, Pirolin A!A! and Pereiramuestromiescupir when I'm there!

litost says on Aug 6, 2004, 19:15:

Shaz... if you'd just take a second to look at my photo gallery you would have an indiscrete look at Bolivar in all his glory ;-)

piccolinoaa says on Aug 6, 2004, 23:43:

DESIDERIA/SHAZCAS: AL PAN PAN Y... AL VINO VINO!!

AMBAS SON DETESTABLES EN SU MALDITO ORGULLO. BIEN HACE EL/ LA QUE RECONOCE SU ERROR Y ADMITE QUE ESTUVO MAL. PERO USTEDES DOS NO SE RETRACTAN. DESIDERIA ME HAS DEMOSTRADO TU TERQUEDAD Y POR TAL MOTIVO VOY A LLEVAR TUS COMENTARIOS ABSURDOS A TODOS LOS TEMAS EN ESTE FORO. PARA QUE TE CONOZCAN LO "TIERNA EN TUS APRECIACIONES ACERCA DE LAS MUJERES DE PEREIRA. SHAZCAS NI MODO EXCUINCLA !!YA TE QUITASTE LA MASCARA Y DEMUESTRAS LO GROSERA QUE PUEDES SER.BRAVO !!SIGUE ASI Y TE VAS A VER RODEADA DE ENEMIGOS POR DOQUIERA.ERES UNA BURLETERA ,GROSERA Y TERCA. NI MODO ,PUES DE TUS PUGAS NO ENTRAN A MI PETATE(CAMA)

AL AMIGO SABAZ CAFE:::

REALMENTE ES ALARMANTE PENSAR QUE USTED LES CELEBRE A DESIDERIA Y CHAZCAS SUS IMPROPERIOS, ,,,EN ESPECIAL CUANDO SE HABLA DE LAS MUJERES PEREIRANAS. RECUERDATE QUE SI ERES DE PEREIRA, ENTONCES TIENES MAMA DE ALLLA , HERMANAS DE ALLA Y TIAS, ABUELAS PRIMAS ETC...
COMO HABLAR TAN MAL DE TU CIUDAD???

A PROPOSITO SABAS CAFE, SABE USTED QUE PEREIRA DEMOLIO ESA VIEJA GALERIA COMO 2 ANIOS ATRAS???

POR QUE DICE QUE TODAVIA EXISTE????

OHH YA SE!! LA COSA ES QUE USTED NO ES DE PEREIRA!!USTED ES ALGUN PSEUDONIMO INVENTADO DE DESIDERIA!!!PARA HACER CREER QUE UN PEREIRANO APOYA SUS LOCURAS Y NECEDADES!!

YA LE CHEKE SU IP ADDRESS Y SIP , EN EFECTO SUS MEMBRECIAS , SABAS CAFE Y DESIDERIA , FUERON CREADOS DESDE EL MISMO LUGAR.

MENTIROSO ERES DESIDERIA= SABAZ CAFE!!!

NO PARO DE REIRME DE SU FARSA AMIGA!!

ME REI COMO NUNCA AL LEER ESE COMENTARIO DE APOYO QUE SE DA UD MISMA:

LA APOYO ....SIGA DEJANDO SUS COMETARIOS EN LOS FOROS!!! WOW!!!JAJAJAJAJAJAJA!!! ESA ESTUVO BUENA!! PAYASA!!!

cono_sur says on Aug 7, 2004, 00:00:

piccolino: sabas cafe no es PEREIRANO!! SabaZ cafe no puede ser de Pereira viejo!!comparto tu opinion!!

eso de PARCE es usado en Cali no en el hablar regional de los pereiranos. El Pibito es mentiroso!!

Yo estuve para la copa libertadores pasada en Pereira , y les aseguro que Pereira arraso con la Galeria y ahi se planta un elegante parque , tambien edificios de negocios , oficinas etc...

El sabaz esta deshubicado o se fumo no se que!!

por que siendo entre comillas" Pereirano " no sabe nada de Pereira . Es mas apoya la BASURA de comentario que dejo la tal DESIDERIA.

Sabas : hablas PELOTUDECES!!!

segui "APOYANDO" los temas ABSURDOS de esa MONTONERA Desideria.

BRAVO!!!

chazcas: ahora te conozco mejor!! se ve que podes ser una GROSERA!!

Joal2k4: vos no tenes pelos en la lengua, Lastima que Te Reprimieran del foro por culpa de Desideria y chazcas!!
Fuistes valiente al expresarte en contra de estas dos Pseudo Mujeres.
TE CENSURARON POR CALLAR DOS BOCAS SUCIAS!!
POR SER CRUDA PERO REAL!! LASTIMA JOAL2K4 QUE AQUI TAMBIEN HAY UNA DICTADURA DESIDERIANA Y CHAZ-ASCO

APOYO LA LIBERTAD DE EXPRESION. NO A LA CENSURA!!

ShazCas says on Aug 7, 2004, 00:39:

Saben bien.. Ustedes saben muy bien que you no les he insultado personalmente de la misma manera que ustedes a mi. No tengo por que disculparme, asi que esta es la ultima palabra que voy a decir sobre el asunto, ya me tienen reaburrida. ADIOS!!

Litost, I'd looked at your photos a couple of times and hadn't even noticed - thanks for pointing it out, cool!

Desideria (Moderator) says on Aug 7, 2004, 03:11:

no -disculpas No tengo nada que disculparme. Pueda que tenga toda la asociación de las mujeres de mala ortografia pereiranas en mi contra, enseñandoles a todos estos gringos que escriben acá la verdadera calidad, dulzura y suavidad de su caracter y personalidad; por la sencilla razón que no he emitido una sola opinión propia sobre pereiranas o pereiranos. Nunca haría semejante cosa: sé muy bien que en todas partes se cuecen habas, hay gente buena y gente mala, pero la gran mayoria cae en alguna parte entre esos dos extremos.
Aver, que fue lo que dije: tan solo me referí a la fama y estereotipias netamente colombianas acerca de una ciudad que en realidad, antes de empezar la pujanza economica y turistica en el eje cafetero, tenia pocos atractivos para las gentes que la visitaban. Creo que la estatua de Bolivar desnudo fue el mayor atractivo turistico en ese tiempo.
Las bromas de "mal gusto" o sea politicamente no-correctas abundan sobre las regiones y gentes de Colombia: los pastusos creo que ganan el trofeo en ese sentido. Son, y siguen siendo esterotipias.
Feliz sábado,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

Eljusticiero says on Aug 7, 2004, 12:26:

Ya callese desireria!! Ya me INFLAMO las pelotas de tanta estupides que dice. Ya vi sus comentarios y no estoy nada de acuerdo con sus insultos. Mejor coja oficio y dediquese a hacer cosas utiles. Si tanta rabia le tiene a Pereira, pongamonos de acuerdo usted y yo, .yo vivo en New York y estoy dispuesto a darle consejeria Mental. Yo soy un Psiquiatra y tal ves pueda ayudarla.

Y deje de quejarse de la ortografia de las Pereiranas/os, ellos escriben perfecto espaniol, no su spanglish de pacotilla.

Acerca de los Pastusos, De nuevo con tus ridiculeses quedas mal plantada, Calena desadaptada!!

La expresion correcta acerca de la gente de Pasto es un "ESTEREOTIPO"

nada que ver con "esterotipas", que es eso???QUE SIGNIFICA????. su ortografia es desastroza!! aprenda a ESCRIBIR BIEN. ANALFABETA IGNORANTE.

vicshere says on Aug 7, 2004, 12:34:

WRITE in ENGLISH if your writing in Spanish I would have to think you are trying to hide something....for your information not everyone here reads Spanish


listo
"con mucho gusto"
Vic

listo

Desideria (Moderator) says on Aug 7, 2004, 12:46:

yes, I said:" no-apologies". "I have nothing to apologize for. Mayhaps I have the whole association of good-life girls of Pereira against me, showing all these gringos who write here their smooth and lovely character; for the simple reason that I have never expressed any personal opinion, good or bad, about Pereiranos or Pereiranas. I would never do such thing: I know well that there all kinds everywhere, there's good people and bad people and the great majority that fall somewhere in the middle of the two extremes.
Let's see, what did I say: I was just referring to the reputation and stereotypes, solely Colombian, about a city which, before the economic and touristic boom at the coffee-growing zone, had little attraction for a visitor. Perhaps the statue of nude Bolivar was the major attraction at that time.
Jokes in "bad taste" or not politically correct, abound in Colombia about different regions and their people. I think the Pastusos take the prize. But these are, and continue being just that, stereotypes."

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

Bquilla says on Aug 7, 2004, 14:36:

En esta nueva era existe lo que llamamos "libre expresión", aunque muchas veces debemos saber como decimos las cosas para no herir sentimientos ajenos. Muchos comentarios pueden ser muy buenos, malos, divertidos, mentirosos, etc. pero lo que no dedemos olvidar es que esta página debe ser para reflejar lo positivo y hermoso de Colombia, ya que es suficiente con la TV internacional que tiene a este bello país con una imagen tan deteriorada ante el mundo para que en este web sigamos con esa mala influencia. Pienso que cuando haya comentarios que no vengan al caso o negativos solo ignoremos y empecemos a decir lo bello del topico y no seguir insultandose unos con otros.

cono_sur says on Aug 10, 2004, 21:47:

De acuerdo con voz Bquilla!!sos bien positivo hay veces que es mejor ignorar los comentarios de personas como Desideria.Si la chica no tiene modales ni demuestra cultura , problema de ella!

Si la chica dice PAVADAS, entonces no le sigan el juego. Veran como la que se pudre en su ODIO es ella.

santarosano7 says on Aug 23, 2004, 17:11:

Pereria hey i am from Santa Rosa de Cabal, a city 30 minutes away from Pereira. I cant believe all you people are saying this stuff about Pereira, i mean you americans come from america and EVERYTHING in america is new new new... and Pereira is old, ALL colombia is old, Pereira, lo tiene todo! Pereira is won of the safest cities in colombia so if u guys wanna disrespect Pereira why did you go ok
bye

Rico says on Sep 4, 2004, 12:39:

Religions of the world... All the religions of the world have the Golden Rule: "Love thy neighbor as yourself." They have it to maintain order and civility.

After an insult, people respond with Talion's Law: It's an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth!

It is really like a fork on the road: One road leads to peace, the other to war!

CarlGoingtoPeriera says on Sep 9, 2004, 01:08:

Pereira - you are beautiful - and I really know What an astonishing load of crap. Pereira is a very nice city with problems of any other city. To begin with i found it amusing how some colombians put down periera so much. Now I find it sad - that such small minded, never been anywhere, no hopers, stuck in an ignorant and arrogant human "fake" shell can open thier traps to put down people and places in that manner. I travel and I travel, I can tell you. I have been to Periera several times, I have been to Cali, I have been to bogota, if I was as arrogant and ignorant as some I would ask - what is the big deal about cali and bogota from a european perspective? But if I did ask that I would be a dumb fool , ignorant and arrogant. Bogota is a city with its own character, so is Cali, so is medellin and so is Periera. Why do i sound so upset - because I met Alex, I met Maria, I met Juliana and many more decent hardworking hospitable and fantastic people, they are from periera, live in periera and are simply beautiful people. So dont put them down by putting down thier city. Periera was beautiful. Every city has negatives stop exagerating periera's. God continue to bless Periera.

joxe says on Mar 19, 2005, 14:52:

Pereira es preciosa !!!! Carl , de acuerdo con tu opinion.Pereira es extremadamente hermoso,con todo y defectos(que ciudad es perfecta?).El pueblo pereirano es amable y sumamente hospitalario.Lastima que esa CUALQUIERA LLAMADA DESIDERIO DE CALI" no piense lo mismo.Bien venido seas , cuando gustes. Las puertas de esta ciudad estan abiertas, para personas de bien como tu Carl

mikecolombia says on Aug 26, 2005, 19:03:

I'm a gringo, and I have seen just about all of the larger cities of colombia. I lived in Pereira for 1 year. I can say good things and bad things about the city, but it is no different than any part of the world. Take people that know the city, and you will have a great time. I would say "Why not visit all of the cities?" I personally fell in love with the whole country. Take the good with the bad, keep an open mind, and you will have the best time of your life. Be safe though, use a little street smarts.

LeofromPereira says on Sep 4, 2005, 13:34:

I just don't understand how someone who (I don't think is Colombian) starts talking shit like that about a city (probably, he or she has never been in) in a Colombian fanatics web-site, and hurting everybody's feelings... I thought this was supposed to be for people who loved Colombia... Actually, some people should be banned!

Leonardo G.
bixarre at hotmail.com

Leonardo G. bixarre@hotmail.com

go2pr says on Sep 5, 2005, 00:02:

lol
Why do I have the strange feeling that Cono-sur, Trasnochadorymorena, Picolanoa, Pereirahospit and Eljusticiero are the same poster .....

This guy really needs a therapy.

Ivan-Demer914 says on Dec 14, 2006, 15:54:

pereira,for you to discover and love in my opinion pereira is one ,if not the prettiest city in colombia.the people are nice and pretty.it is considered to be the fastest growing metropolitan city in colombia.its infrastructure has improved since the last time i visited it in 2006. I believe there is some prostitution like every cosmopolitan city but nothing out of the ordinary.PEREIRA, you either love it or be jealous of it.again,that's my opinion.

Ivan-Demer914

Ivan-Demer914 says on Dec 14, 2006, 16:07:

trasnochador y moreno is right,when it comes to prostitution outside of Colombia,not just the women of pereira but all women from Colombia are looked upon being one.let's stick to the real issues ,there are good and bad people all over,let's not stereotype anyone.if you want to be treated with respect,treat others with respect.

Ivan-Demer914

Superak says on Dec 18, 2006, 19:18:

jajajajajajaja!!!!!!!!!!!!! So funny!!!
I understand why some people are making bad commentaries about PEREIRA.

firstable .i love PEREIRA.because is one of the most important cities in COLOMBIA,and because i'm pereiran too.
Cali it's a great city too,but it has it's problems like New york,Neiva,London,or Pereira.whatever.......city!!!!!!!

right,those people don't show some respect even to their mothers!!
that's why they r talking poor sheet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PEREIRA ES UNA CHIMBA,DEJEN LA ENVIDIA.
HABER SI APRENDEN!!!!!!!!!!!

Superak says on Dec 18, 2006, 19:26:

PEREIRA,SOLO TU NOMBRE DESPIERTA ENVIDIAS!!!!!!!!! PARA AQUELLOS PERSONAJES Q DAN SUS OPINIONES ACERCA DE COSAS Q NO HAN VIVIDO ,SOLO LES DIGO...
VENGAN Y VERAN ,LLORARAN HASTA Q SE CANSEN DE VER Q PEREIRA ES DE LO MAS CHIMBA Q HAY EN COLOMBIA.


NO FALTARA EL PATIFRIO CON SU ENVIDIA ,DE TRATAR DE HACER QUEDARNOS MAL,PERO HMNOS,NO HAY DE OTRA,LLOREN HASTA Q SE DESAHOGUEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

MIENTRAS ,YO ME RIO Y DISFRUTO,
JAJAJAJAAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAAJAJAJAJA!!!!!!!!!!

goin_south says on Dec 18, 2006, 21:34:

Make Arthur smile; Go to Pereira.

and, thank you.

LeofromPereira says on Dec 19, 2006, 10:12:

PEREIRA ROCKS!!! Je, je... Old scars reopened. But, let’s not even go there.

In stead, I'd like to invite everybody to come to Pereira and see for yourself the second most important touristical destination in Colombia (number 1 is the Atlantic Coast, of course). Pereira is a gorgeous city, with warm and nice people, new improved infrastructure, and many paces to go. The night life is amazing and wild, and yes… we have the most beautiful and the hottest women of the country (or as the legend says of the world). Cheers,

Leonardo G.
bixarre at hotmail.com

Leonardo G. bixarre@hotmail.com

cali373 says on Dec 19, 2006, 11:56:

Desideria, you know that how you just described Pereira is how I would describe Bogota. Pereira is not as bad as you just made it sound people from their would be greatly offended by what you just said, considering that they are paisas and actually very hospitable. It rains every day but for only an hour at most during the late afternoon. You think it does not rain alot in Bogota!!! The scenery around Pereira is breathless. The locals are quite friendly and so are the single women. I have never seen a business of prostitution there. that does not mean it does not exist, whereas I have heard that phone numbers for brothels can be found in "el tiempo" in Bogota. It is a small city and Cali does have more to offer, and more prostitutes. I would not rule it out though. The "termales" are near by and they are awesome. Pereira is only 3 hours on bus from Cali.

Smile if you are a thinker!

LeofromPereira says on Dec 19, 2006, 14:31:

:-) Wow, it’s nice to hear that specially from someone from Cali, ironic ah?

I’m a local and if you want a tour around the city just call me on my cell –e-mail me to get it (we can call some police agents to come with us if that makes you feel safer, je...)-; I’m available on weekdays after work (5:00 PM). First beer is on me! Cheers,



Leonardo G.
bixarre at hotmail.com

Leonardo G. bixarre@hotmail.com

billyb says on Dec 19, 2006, 14:36:

I heard that they are building a plant.... in Pereira to Mfg. small aircraft. At the rate it is going it will surpass Cali and rival Medellin in economic importance in the not too too distant future. BTW, I read that in some publication, can't remember the source.

BillyB

tkutlow says on Jun 24, 2007, 23:48:

I'll be moving to Periera the end of July (2007). I'm not concerned that it will be nice. I've learned that there are things to admire and appreciate no matter where you are. It's really all in your attitude.