Paraguay 5 Colombia 0 Colombia is horrible

scotty says on Jun 28, 2007, 21:25:

I cant believe that Paraguay beat Colombia. Oh well Im happy as long as US beat mexico im a happy camper. I am disappointed that two of my favorite countries Brazil and Colombia got their arsses whipped.

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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jaramillo says on Jun 28, 2007, 21:28:

The U.S. won't beat Mexico. It will not play Mexico. Argentina and Paraguay are likely to advance, the U.S. and Colombia are going home.

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 28, 2007, 22:01:

Jaramilo, I think scotty was referring to last Sunday's US victory over Mexico in the Gold Cup here in Chicago. I was there. Both teams played very well.

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jun 28, 2007, 23:22:

dont let simon read this...it will send him back to therapy....=)

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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scotty says on Jun 29, 2007, 00:38:

gomesman you are right i was referring the the recent game played between mexico and US.

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jun 29, 2007, 01:45:

como que Paraguay estaba jugando solo !!! que verguenza 5!!! 0

engage brain before opening mouth

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 29, 2007, 06:59:

Good Point Kat...!!! (or not so good). Yes, you are indeed right, it was if Paraguay was out there waiting for a Colombian team to show up but they never did, so they just went ahead and played without them.

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andresmo169 says on Jun 29, 2007, 07:53:

Wha't so horrible 'bout Colombia losing 5-0 to Paraguay? Come on now! Aren't you used to that crap? Wake up! Where have you been? I doesn't surprise me at all. Colombia SUCKS, SUCKS AND SUCKS EVEN MORE. And hopefully they don't qualify for the upcoming world cup. Get rid off ******* PINTO, and they can probably one or two games.

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panthdave says on Jun 29, 2007, 08:27:

Well lets see Julio 5 Colombia and Estados Unidos Play..at 18:30..Going to be funny watching the game in my Medellin Apartment and have a 50MIL wager with my GF>>>>

Any thoughts...

panthdave Miami

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 29, 2007, 08:36:

OK....Andresmo, I get your point. However, I have two responses.

The 2 - 2 1/2 year elimination (qualifying) cylce for the top 4 COMNEBOL teams to go to the WC has not begun yet. Thank God for that. That means there is plenty of time for Colombia to examine what it has, and decide where they need to go. Guys like Cordoba, and Dominguez should be replaced even before they find someone suitable to replace them. That being said, there is plenty of time to reubuild, move forward, and make adjustments as need in the elmination cyle. As to Pinto.....He was responsible for the building of the Costa Rican National team in th 2004-5 period. To this day, Costa Rica is considered one of the best teams in CONCACAF. Pinto has not been around long enough to tell whether he will be effectual or not. However, after last night's performance, I would say he does not have much time

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Simon says on Jun 29, 2007, 09:30:

What a horrible game!

First of all, why did they have some no-name schmuck like Dominguez take that penalty kick?! He kicked that ball as if he were passing it to his son! That shot was for Rodallega or Edixon Perea! And where did this idiot Dominguez come from? HE SUCKS!!

Second, why the hell was Luis Amaranto Perea, who plays for Atletico Madrid, on the bench? And Miguel Calero should not be on the national team, it obvious his skills have diminished, but that's what happens when you play in a mediocre league like Mexico's! Why the hell is he even on the team? Ivan Ramiro Cordoba played the worst game he's ever played. He should be benched! Why didn't Coach Pinto call up those two tower defenders from Cucuta's team? At least they're playing well!

I also believe that both Rodallega and Edixon Perea are not even starters on their club teams! So why the hell are they called up to the national team? We need people who are going through a good moment on the team, not benchwarmers as starters!

And the midfield, what a mess....shit, bring back El Pibe!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 29, 2007, 10:10:

Well that about does it. The only person I thought that would tear into my post was Simon. But he understands. This is not about ego or defending Colombia. It is about speaking the truth about an ugly situation.

Things better change.....and fast.

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Simon says on Jun 29, 2007, 10:33:

Another thing, why on earth did Pinto have Cordoba, who's about 5' 8'' cover a guy like SantaCruz whos about six feet tall, at least? WTF is that?


Well Gomez, yes we do agree on this,...but I still think Colombia is better than Mexico, he he!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 29, 2007, 11:20:

Cordoba....
He is 30, and yes he is on the shorter side, but he has good agility and that agility can compensate for a lack of height...... The ability to be able to keep pace and take out forwards does not necessarily require height. You certainly don't need height in the mid fielder / forward positions......just ask a guy named Landon Donovan with the US team....a guy who is also only 5' 8" put is as deadly as the best of em.

But Cordoba, at 30, seems washed up for the purpose of being on the National team.

Colombia has a big problem. They are too nostalgic. They cannot seem to let go of guys when it's time to do so.Even as far back as Asperilla and Valderrama, you had two guys that played not in one World Cup too many.....but TWO too many. One of the reasons that Mexico and the US are doing so well, is that they are not afraid to make change. When the US fired Bruce Arena, I was not happy with that move. But Bradley seems to know how to make needed changes. Hugo Sanchez Mexico's coach is very aggressive when he sees a weak spot. Fonseca played poorly in the Gold Cup, hence he has been replaced in the Copa de America by an aspiring young and ambitious. He thought Oswaldo Sanchez was a bit "off" in goal here in Chicago, so he stated Ochoa. As it turned out, Ochoa looked phenominal. And.....he is only 22 years old.....Check him out in this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLTA1LxlA-Q

Lastly, as to Colombia being better than Mexico......I'll only say, ........
Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel good.

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Simon says on Jun 29, 2007, 11:51:

30 is not old dude, so that's not an excuse. But Cordoba did look burned out last night. He needs to get with it.

And I've got a better example than Donovan about height not being necessary for mid fielder / forward positions... a 5' 5'' guy named Maradona, perhaps the greatest footballer ever.

I disagree with you about Valderrama and Asprilla playing in two world cups too many. They were at their peak coming into the 1994 Cup, even though they played badly. Asprilla only played in two World Cups, 1994 and 1998. VAlderrama did play in three, 1990, 1994, and 1998.

I don't need to tell myself that Gomez, all I have to do is look at the result of the last time they played, in a GoldCup, and in your town, nonetheless.....Colombia 2 Mexico 1!! And in Copa America confrontations, Colombia has the winning record over the overrated Mexicans, 2-1, ha ha ha!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 29, 2007, 15:24:

It's a new day Simon. I would love to see Colombia play Mexico.....I'll bet the barn that today, Mexico will take Colombia down......and with definity.

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 29, 2007, 15:28:

So Simon, what do you think of my new avatar?

Just for you

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Simon says on Jun 29, 2007, 15:57:

It's definitely you Gomez!


I also hope Colombia meets up with Mexico in this tournament. BTW, I think they're gonna play a friendly after the Copa America. Then we'll se who's better.

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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manINred says on Jun 29, 2007, 15:58:

From an unbiased viewpoint:

Colombia played some of the most tactically inept football I have ever seen them play. They couldn't break down the midfield (but neither could paraguay, who early on seemed to result to long-ball play) and were uncreative and failing to mark when they attacked.

Defensively Colombia were just lazy. It's almost as if they couldn't be bothered to defend, which is beyond inept (Paraguay's first goal, for instance).

I read somewhere along here that Colombia are too nostalgic. That very well could be the case, because with a couple of minor exceptions, what I noticed was a bunch of uninspired footballers who would be beaten by league 1 teams in England (no offence to league 1 jeje)

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manINred says on Jun 29, 2007, 16:09:

correction Paraguay's second goal was the example I wanted to give. And the penalty struck was one of the weakest most feeble efforts I have ever seen, and thats a lot, coming from an englishman!

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 29, 2007, 23:11:

manINred
You said you read: "I read somewhere along here that Colombia are too nostalgic. That very well could be the case.......'

Yes sir indeed!! You read it because I posted it above. And I meant it. It is almost as if Colombian people think being champions is some form of divine right.

Simon
We're ready. Ole, ole ole ole......Oleeeee. Oleeeee vamos Mexico:

Sanchez (Oswaldo)
Salcido
Marquez
Pardo
Blanco (also with Chicago Fire after Copa America)
Guardado
Ochoa
Magallon
Pineda
Torrado
Medina
Pinto
Castro

And many more great performers.....yep Simon. Mexico is ready to take on Colombia handily. If they can beat Brazil, they can tear Colombia to shreads. Whether they will or not who knows, but my money is on Mexico...such as:

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goin_south says on Jun 29, 2007, 23:31:

"We're ready. Ole, ole ole ole......Oleeeee. Oleeeee vamos Mexico"
Monpirri, finalamente..... an admission that Some One here is Mexican.

Some say: All things are better in...Medellin! ....Oscar Lopez just says it's better.....LATE!!! (WHERE EVER YOU ARE)

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 30, 2007, 09:03:

"Monpirri, finalamente..... an admission that Some One here is Mexican."

No Quite. However, when it comes to soccer, perhaps I am in spirit. But, Colombian I am and I never afraid to admit as such.

When I wrote that line, I paused, thinking that someone would take it that way. But I really don't care because if someone misunderstands the context of the word "We're" as it is being used. I love the Mexican soccer team. I am in their environment every day of my life. I go to the bars and parties, where the game is always on, .......and on huge big screen TV's no less. Chicago is the second most populated city with Mexicans. They, and their soccer are everywhere. Also, every weekend, I watch the teams from the Mexican league here. Colombian league soccer??? Is there one?? (I know there is) Not in Chicago. The closest thing that I have to Colombian soccer in Chicago is the some Caleno's jersey from a team he played for 20 years ago that is pinned up on the wall of the Colombian bakery (the only one) that he owns.

Colombian soccer??? What's that? Where is it? It certainly is not here in Chicago. There is only one place....ONE, that once in a while, when there is a big game, they will have it on their TV. The drinks are expensive, the food is terrible. The last time I went there I ordered arroz con pollo. The rice had no taste, and I had to use a magnifying glass to find the cheapest piece of meat there is....chicken.

I guess the best comparison is the situation with all my friends in Springfield, Illinois. They live in Illinois, the state's capitol, and yet, easily more than half of the baseball fans are St. Louis Cardinal fans.......a Missouri team. I ask them why, and they all give the same answer. Missouri is closer.....much closer to Springfield than Chicago is. You can drive to St. Louis in a little over an hour. Chicago is about 3 and a half hours from Springfield.

So there is your answer. Trust me, if I was Mexican, I would have about as much interest in a forum on Colombia as a monkey would with a string of pearls.

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Monpirri says on Jun 30, 2007, 10:22:

Sure dude "So there is your answer. Trust me, if I was Mexican, I would have about as much interest in a forum on Colombia as a monkey would with a string of pearls."
Just check all your previous threads, topics, posts and then tell us where are you from? And by the way, the majority of your answers are not about soccer!

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 30, 2007, 11:35:

Monpirri
You're right. They are about security. Something Colombia is sadly lacking. I can't think of any country off hand in the civilized world, where a group to insurgents can march into the main muicipal building where legislators hold office, in the third largest city, and pull off the kidnapping of 11 or 12 people, haul them off to some distant unknown place, and hold them for 4 years, only for them then to show up dead. So there you have it. That's the Colombia I know. I'll say another thing Monpirri. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion on what the significance of a situation is, but nobody is entitle to their own facts. That long sentence of facts that I set forth above IS reality, and that is the way it is. If you and a bunch of others want to deny their significance, then you are certainly free to do so. But, I don't think you will find many (any) logical thinking person that would interpret the situation any differently, with the exception of course the my fellow countrymen who stand in denial, and the Gringos who also have some personal bias because they are either married, were married or are about to be married to some Colombian.

In any eventm back to the main subject at hand. Soccer/futbbol......if you think Colombia's futbol team arrises to any level more than mediocrity, then your knowledge of this game is about knowledgable as your knowledge as Colombia's security situation. And, may I add, if you don't think that the team sucks.....and sucks big time, then they have no chance (zero) of making it to the World Cup in 2010. What's worse, you will have to watch them make fools of thmeselves during the 2 and half years of eliminations, while the likes of Argentina, Chile, Peru, Uruguay, Paraguay, Brazil, Bolivia, and......based on what I have seen of Venezuela of late......include them on the list, ......walk all over Colombia. They were a disgrace the other night. They could not put anything together. It's one thing to blow a PK, something rarely done, but to dribble a ball off the way Dominguez did, was something I had never seen done so poorly.

I think ManINred put it succinctly:
"And the penalty struck was one of the weakest most feeble efforts I have ever seen, and thats a lot, coming from an englishman!"

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Simon says on Jun 30, 2007, 12:20:

"Colombian league soccer??? Is there one??

Colombian soccer??? What's that? Where is it?"

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Gomezman,

Just ask the members of one of your beloved mexican clubs, Toluca, if there's "Colombian league soccer", especially after Cucuta Deportiva KICKED THEIR ASSES 5-1 and eliminated them from the Copa Libertadores this year. Yes, Cucuta, a modest team playing in their first ever Libertadores which made it all the way to the semifinal!


And your disdain for Colombian football only parallels you loathing of everything that is Colombian. THANK GOD that your parents got the hell out of Colombia. I can only imagine if you had grown up in Colombia, with your hate for our country, you'd probably be roaming the jungles with the rest of your ilk!!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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Cerealkiller says on Jun 30, 2007, 12:44:

i wish i had seen the game. I agree with most, it really is embarrassing. I havent seen colombia win anything in years, what a sad thing. I do believe Pinto should be sacked, surely there must be someone in colombia with more vision.
Gomezman argues the guy contributed to making costa rica one of the best teams in concacaf but in all honesty and I dont mean to sound rude, out of the 35 countries in CONCACAF only Mexico, Trinidad and Tobago, USA and Costa Rica play decent football (not even great football) off course they have to be good, i mean shit...nicaragua? Cuba? St Marteen? Turks and Caicos? If anything south american football beats CONCACAF hands down.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 30, 2007, 13:09:

Simon, you are very right. I am very glad my parents got the hell out of Colombia. They left for the same reason every Colombian wants OUT. It's called opportunity. The ONLY gringos that run to Colombia, are those that are living on American dollars, something that even if the worst of exchange rates, go a longer way in Colombia than they do anywhere in the US. So keep in mind, they are not in Colombia because they love Colombia, Before they moved there, theyf first made the decision they wanted to leave the US. Then they made the decision which country that they wanted to go to. I might point out that there are many more Gringos living in Mexico, Costa Rica and Panama then there are in Colombia. Why? Same reason. It's cheaper. You have one of our more popular members on PBH, who, by his own admission, is living in Colombia because that disability check from Social Security to the tune of 850 a month, all by itself, enables him to live much much much better than the average Colombian can. Can a Colombian get a GOVERNMNET (not pension) check from Colombia to live in the US? Enough said. I love it when I come back with these "slam dunk" responses that while they don't render you and Monpirri "speachless" they do make it difficult for you to come up with a response that is both logical and responsive.

Back to soccer (can we stay there?) I already wrote I know there is a Colombia soccer league. I suggest you reread my post above (BTW can't accuse me of editing it). I simply said that here in Chicago, Mexico and Mexican culture is a bigger part of my life than Colombia is. I could not have been more graphic or given a better and by the way, understandable explanation for my attachment to Mexican soccer than I already did above. You cannot love what you don't know. Making me Colombian, does not mean I have to be attached to Colombian soccer. Yes I want them to win, but look man, I like watching the game and going to the games. I can do that here in Chicago all the time. The same is not true of Colombian soccer. It just does not exist here. It's just like my friend from England. He also like Mexican soccer and he is from the UK. Soccer in the UK is better, more organized and better talent than here in the US. It has the attraction of baseball, football, and basketbll together, however, he watches Mexican soccer because that is what is here.

Maybe if I had come here as asn adult, I would think differently. But as they say, when in Rome, you do as the Romans.......So, while not in Rome, I am in a Mexico North of the border. And trust me man, if that amnesty bill ever passes, you better start learning to love everything Mexican, because they are going to be such a dominant political force, when people think of Latin culture, Mexican culture is the only thing that is going to come to mind. Even the cubans of South Florida will become voiceless. The Mexican will run them out of their enclaves in the same way that the Mexicans have invaded the Puerto Rican enclaves here in Chicago and elsewhere............

As to the Cucta / Toluca example.......so what? That has nothing to do with the central issue and that is which national team is better. So if you think Colombia is better than Mexico, then what you are really saying is that they do not have much room for improovment. And like I said above, get ready for a long and painfull couple of years seeing Colombia's ass get kicked all over South America when they make a rather feeble attempt to pursue a WC position. Absent any drastic changes, they will be doomed before they even begin.

Lastly, who wants to cheer a bunch of losers? Call me a fair weather fan if you want. But if Colombia does not care enough about fielding quality players that can be competitive, I have no reason to feel they have earned my support for them. I said the same things about the Cubs, who play 3 blocks from my house. If 40,000 fans want to pack Wrigley Field to see the Cubs play poorly because management does not want to spend the money to get the team relief pitching, they can do so. I will not. I'll watch the game for free on TV in the comfort of my home, where the beer is 1/7 of the cost, and replays/commentary make the game more interesting.

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Simon says on Jun 30, 2007, 17:49:

"They left for the same reason every Colombian wants OUT."

Gomezman, stop lying! My family and I don't want to leave and neither do my friends. And neither does Juancegomez, who's one of the most valuable Colombian members of this site.

It must be really sad to be constantly clinging on to a foreign (mexican) subculture within the country where you live. What a pathetic existence. I almost feel sorry for you.


Usted de Colombiana no tiene nada!!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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goin_south says on Jun 30, 2007, 18:23:

stop the riot!

Some say: All things are better in...Medellin! ....Oscar Lopez just says it's better.....LATE!!! (WHERE EVER YOU ARE)

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 30, 2007, 19:35:

OK Simon.....goin south is right. Enough. And I admit I did not quite state things clearly. My aunts, uncles, and cousins don't want to leave Colombia. They all have visas so they come here to vacation, but they would not live here. But they also are fairly well off as well. So why would they? When I said every Colombian, I meant those that are looking to "better themselves" from a financial perspective. I overspoke. I just get so caught up in these debates, I just go flying off sometimes.

OK, above said, honestly, I don't hate Colombia or it's culture. Why would I want to hate my people and the culture from where I came. I will stand my ground on the security situation, albeit it has obviously gotten better under Uribe. Kudos to him. But the soccer team my man......come on. I stuck that avatar up there just to piss you off. It was a double hit because monpirri dropped in too. You guys should know me by now....(even if you don't know me). Really, I did not intend for this thread to go this way. A year ago, 376 posts later by many, we managed to keep a world cup thread fairly civil. I did ask that we keep politics did and we kept to it. I did not intend for this thread to get political or last very long. I just wanted this to be a quick commentary on the Colombian National team.

BTW, come on, I don't consider the Mexican culture a "sub culture". In fact, if they fools get their way and pass an amnesty bill, they will end up being the majority culture 20 years from now.......nowhere near a subculture. I sure don't want amnesty.

OK.....Simon.....peace....and same to you monpirri (can't believe I said that) but new web site, no design, same thinking, but like the monkey to the right says, let's be nice.

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Simon says on Jun 30, 2007, 19:53:

OK Gomez, fair enough. I don't like fighting either. I'm a peace-loving Colombian, believe it or not, and in light of the tough week it's been for Colombia (i.e. the horrible tragedy with the 11 hostages from Cali who were murdered and the 3 Colombian soldiers who died in Lebanon), I don't want to have more bad blood with other Colombians.

Que viva la Paz entre los Colombianos..

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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goin_south says on Jun 30, 2007, 23:01:

"11 hostages from Cali who were murdered and the 3 Colombian soldiers who died in Lebanon"

I'm still wondering... what are colombian soldiers doing in ... Lebanon???????????

This really blows ..... what's left of my mind.

Some say: All things are better in...Medellin! ....Oscar Lopez just says it's better.....LATE!!! (WHERE EVER YOU ARE)

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Simon says on Jul 1, 2007, 11:08:

They were in the Spanish army.

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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panthdave says on Jul 1, 2007, 17:18:

I love riots and war this is great...

Peace Out The chill pill needs to be dispursed..

panthdave Miami

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 1, 2007, 17:33:

really weird....i find myself agreeing with G5's posts here, with the only exception of the security situation, of course.....thats it...no more Coronas for me today....jajajjaja...

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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manINred says on Jul 1, 2007, 17:46:

Soccer posts turning into a politics discussion... NOOOO! Leave politics out!

Colombia were crap, plain and simple, and the sooner people who organize the national team realize it, the better, because if anyone is delusional enough to believe that Colombia is anywhere close to good enough to make WC 2010, then god help us.

By the way, thanks Gomezman5, I just call it how I see it!

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manINred says on Jul 1, 2007, 17:48:

And interestingly enough, we get Colombian futbol matches here in Canada, I can see Athletico Nacional play on GolTV sometimes, which is really great. I genuinely enjoy the Colombian league, it is good quality, for the most part.

Honestly, the national team should seriously fire the person who selects the squad, because with the talent I see in the Colombian league, they should be a force to be reckoned with.

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Gomezman5 says on Jul 1, 2007, 21:47:

GolTV....
will someone PLEASE tell me how or where this thing is. I went to the web site and I swear, I could not find a damn thing. Someone told me its free. Someone told me you have to subscribe, Someone else told me its on the cable.

I do know that they are televising the Copa America in English, but I am clueless as to how you obtain it.

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manINred says on Jul 2, 2007, 08:30:

GolTV is a station that plays pure footy. I know that Rogers, (what I have at home here), offers it, as does bell expressvue. I think you have to pick it up with a few other channels at a very reasonable cost extra per month, definitely worthwhile. Contact your cable provider and ask them about it, it's worth it.

I'm pretty sure it's not free, unless you happen to have a certain package that contains it.

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Gomezman5 says on Jul 2, 2007, 09:55:

Okkkk. Now I understand....You would think that the web site would give more info...

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Simon says on Jul 2, 2007, 10:04:

I love GolTV! The best thing about it is no mexican football!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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panthdave says on Jul 2, 2007, 11:39:

Yeah its on the Miami Beach Cable System part of the Digital Package but all the GOLTV Copa Games are being rebroadcast on a local channel here in Miami...too..So its on two channels the Copa Games..

panthdave Miami

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