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Organizers of the March 6 Protest Killed by Paras

"The U.N. on Friday called for an investigation into the deaths of six organizers of a march protesting the Colombian government and paramilitary death squads."

Already? That was fast!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080315/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/colombia_paramil...

By vladimiro on Mar 21, 2008, 06:21 in Politics & the war.

tejasmarcos says on Mar 21, 2008, 07:40:

hmmmmm. that is going to do alot to help the free trade act.

god is in your head

msaucey says on Mar 21, 2008, 07:45:

Doh!.... I wonder who they'll point the finger at... Oh, wait, of course their blaming Uribe.... Como siempre....

The trouble about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed. - CS Lewis

MitchAlvarez says on Mar 21, 2008, 08:01:

why couldnt they wait until they approved the tlc fruckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

Tengale miedo a una huelga de mujeres o a una escacez de aguardiente. :)

ColombianoGringo says on Mar 21, 2008, 08:22:

Wow. This is sad. Not surprising, but sad.

BTW, the TLC needs to be renegotiated. As it is currently written, it is a bad deal for Colombia. There are plenty of recent threads about why.

webmanco says on Mar 21, 2008, 08:59:

http://cipcol.org/

But, I'm going to start making some assumptions here.... Which means I might actually end up making an ass out of myself ..........Thu 04 17, 2008 11:34 am

romy says on Mar 21, 2008, 09:13:

Of course Uribe needs to be brought up. He's carried on a ruthless war with the guerrillas even though it's the paras that have committed the most human rights abuses. That's my problem with Uribe, that his government is all about personal interest in the expense of national interest.

Desideria (Moderator) says on Mar 21, 2008, 09:48:

Uribe may not be personally responsible of anything criminal, but there's a lot of incidental evidence that he's guilty by association of supporting criminal groups, the true terrorists, the paracos. The ultimate responsibility is his.

Romy, one of my reasons of NOT liking Uribe to much runs along those same lines; I believe that it's more than personal interests, however, it's the interests of his friends, neighbours, buddies and associates, the people of his social class. He's no friend of the poor farmers, displaced people, periferia or people who have leftist tendencies....he's made that very clear inhis public attacks on leftist politicians; totally unworthy of a leader for ALL Colombians.

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Medellin Traveler says on Mar 21, 2008, 09:52:

FUCK FTA!

The death of the organizers needs to be thouroughly investigated and addressed before Colombia can move forward.

It's funny, FARC is the enemy, but Paracos will be Paracos, killing is their business with support from the government,

Why would Paracos care if people organized against corruption in the Colombian government if the government was not in collusion with them?

Poor, poor missunderstood Paracos.... they always get a break.

Remember, Uribe said that there was no real need to protest.

The new Colombia is the same O' Colombia.

Medellin Es Una Chimba! - www.medellintraveler.com

robi666 says on Mar 21, 2008, 10:17:

I am trying to look at some other articles. This one is frankly poor in information and poor written with an evident bias.

So, march of the 6th organizers, which was their role organizing the protest? Did they send some emails around?
How many the so called organizer?
Were they killed for their role in organizing the protest or for what they were in real life?
It seems evident the tentative of the writer to connect the march with the kill, which is not explained at all (and I am sure that it is not true).

A threaten by email... give me a break. I know people threatened by email because of their posts on PBH.
The Aguilas don't work sending emails.

"Jose Obdulio Gaviria, alleged the march was organized by the FARC": he never said that.

That's said, I am probably the one on PBH who had post more about the new paracos activity in the past, but this against the march is clearly a tentative of "instrumentalization". If you think that the new groups, Aguilas, Nevados, Machos, etc. have still got a global political characterization and goal, you don't keep yourself informed on what it is happening in Colombia. They do not work on that matter. Look at the evidence of collaboration between new para groups and FARC and ELN.

Why don't you ask yourself how can Piedad still be alive?

So, bottom is, you can take this article and put it in the garbage.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

RAAAY says on Mar 21, 2008, 10:20:

Robi........." I know people threatened by email because of their posts on PBH."

Thats a stupid statement to make...............why would you say such a thing....?

.

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

robi666 says on Mar 21, 2008, 10:22:

:) Desi knows, Peter knows, more than what we know... now, we can discuss about that... but you know it is an off limit argument for you...

RAAAY says on Mar 21, 2008, 10:24:

Sorry.....I don't understand..........did someone on PBH send you a death threat...??

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

robi666 says on Mar 21, 2008, 10:34:

Ray, do you really want me to copy and paste here one of your recent comments on a deleted thread on the 17h of March?

RAAAY says on Mar 21, 2008, 10:35:

Nil me abalta caint.......

Ohhhhh..............now I understand.............I thought it was you who received death threats from someone on PBH........

You are refering to the threats made on M C by......

Ahhhhhh.............

.

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

robi666 says on Mar 21, 2008, 10:39:

LOL

robi666 says on Mar 21, 2008, 10:41:

I am sure that's not the only case on PBH, though...

RAAAY says on Mar 21, 2008, 10:47:

.

I've had several threats made on me............The most recent was Kat....threatening to come over and spank me.............

.

.

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

robi666 says on Mar 21, 2008, 10:49:

Did you report it to the UN?

romy says on Mar 21, 2008, 10:56:

robi "Look at the evidence of collaboration between new para groups and FARC and ELN"
can you point me in the direction of this evidence?

Also... "On February 10, 2008, on Caracol national radio your adviser, Jose Obdulio Gaviria, criticized the protests and labeled those convening it as FARC guerrillas. The next day he continued his radio attacks, naming protest organizer Ivan Cepeda of the National Movement for Victims of State Crimes (MOVICE) as a guerilla supporter." (http://action.humanrightsfirst.org/campaign/Ivan2/)

robi666 says on Mar 21, 2008, 11:09:

1) romy, I don't have the time now to look for documents. But I read about it, even recently. No reason to be surprised: money can do everything.

If I am not wrong, the RR computers contained a prove of collaboration between FARC and a group of a narco of El Valle. I have a Semana that talks about it somewhere in my house (the special edition for the RR computer), I'll look for it.

Whatever, the collaboration between guerrilla and paracos is implied in the business model of "narcotrafico" itself from the age of Pablo Ecobar and before.

By their side, new grous lost completely their "contrainsurgente" aspect. That's not a secret.

2) Criticize and naming the organizers as guerrilla supporters is different to say that the march was organized by FARC. Which he never said.

PS Jose Obdulio Gaviria is an asshole. The rearm of new groups is a big problem, but article like this do not help at all.

durito says on Mar 21, 2008, 12:33:

AGUILAS NEGRAS EN REARME
by Jairo Alonso Henao Gutierrez • Saturday, Mar. 15, 2008 at 2:42 PM

PRIMER COMUNICADO VIRTUAL – LUCHA ARMADA FASE A –

MARZO 12 DE 2008

En virtud a lo que hemos denominado nuestra remozada organización y el nuevo direccionamiento a nuestra lucha armada, nos permitimos informar acerca de nuestras serias intenciones de declarar abierta la oportunidad que muchos colombianos afectos a nuestros ideales, han requerido por todo el territorio nacional, el afán diario de muchos compatriotas es un TOTAL REARME DE FUERZAS PARAMILITARES, que defiendan la propiedad privada y los intereses colectivos miles de colombianos y colombianas, fue un gran error promover un proceso de desmovilización que nos abocó al desastre que venimos enfrentando, EL RECONOCIMIENTO POL�?TICO POR LO QUE TANTO LUCHO LAS FARC-EP DURANTE MAS DE 50 AÑOS es evidente, y ha socavado la honorabilidad de muchos colombianos, HEMOS SIDO CLARAMENTE DERROTADOS EN EL CAMPO POL�?TICO Y MILITAR, hoy día la guerrilla colombiana, se ufana de sembrar su ideología en territorios extranjeros, goza de status internacional, y además de eso se vanagloria de su alto respaldo por muchos Jefes de Estado, es tiempo de generar un cambio de actitud, que enfrente tales consecuencias producto de gobiernos endebles, sin rumbo y determinación, arrodillados a políticas y estrategias estadounidenses, ALVARO URIBE VELEZ representa sumisión e interés particular, engaño, irresponsabilidad y peor aún UN FALSO COMPATRIOTA QUE CON DADIVAS OFRECIDAS EN UNA DESMOVILIZACIÓN ABSURDA INTENTO CONSEGUIR SU RECONOCIMIENTO INTERNACIONAL CON MIRAR A PERPETRARSE EN EL PODER.

Fielmente creemos que el paramilitarismo ha sido un método de dominación social y política que tiene sus raíces en la doctrina de seguridad nacional y democrática. Comenzó como una estrategia antisubversiva y terminó convirtiéndose en un modelo de control territorial, donde convergieron los sectores más retardatarios de las fuerzas militares, los partidos políticos y la empresa privada.

El abandono por el Estado del esfuerzo por conservar el monopolio de la fuerza es extraordinariamente peligroso e imprevisible. AGUILAS NEGRAS, no somos bandas emergentes como figura en el ámbito nacional, palabras inventadas por el Ministro del Interior y Justicia CARLOS OLGUIN SARDI, un burócrata conservador que sólo EJERCE PRESIONES POL�?TICAS CON MIRAS A SOSTENER A SU FAMILIA Y AMIGOS CERCANOS EN LA ADMINISTRACIÓN PÚBLICA, en contrario hemos continuado y retomado nuestra lucha armada con el apoyo y la tolerancia del Estado y la ciudadanía en general los cuales nos orientan a actuar dentro de parámetros militares y políticos definidos por éstos quienes nos impulsan.

Con base a los anteriores planteamientos, todas aquellas entidades, instituciones, representaciones diplomáticas y personas del común que reciban este comunicado virtual, están declaradas OBJETIVOS MILITARES FASE A (MEDIOS DE COMUNICACIÓN, OGN’S, EMBAJADAS, CONGRESISTAS Y EXCONGRESISTAS, CIUDADANIA EN GENERAL DE APOYO Y COLABORACIÓN LOGISTICA A LA NARCOGUERRILLA) que significa un fuerte desvertebramiento a las coyunturas políticas y militares de las FARC-EP, además de las consecuencias que estas derivan, como asesinatos, desapariciones y todo lo concerniente a nuestra ideología política y militar tendiente a finiquitar de una vez por todas el flagelo coadyuvante de la participación ciudadana disfrazada de apoyo incondicional tanto armado como político, a estos grupos narcoterroristas, como nuestro comandante supremo denomina, es tiempo de decir COLOMBIA VIVE, si COLOMBIA VIVE EN PAZ.

JAIRO ALONSO HENAO GUTIERREZ COMANDANTE CAMILO
COMANDO CENTRAL AGUILAS NEGRAS EN REARME

robi666 says on Mar 21, 2008, 13:20:

Did you receive that into your mailbox, durito? ...hope not... :)
By the way, who's this alias Camilo? Could not finding anything on the Internet, nor on the numerous researches on rearmament.

azunoman says on Mar 21, 2008, 13:26:

If the rule of law can not be upheld, Colombia is doomed to the same old same old and that includes anything the government or military does.

Ready, Fire, Aim

Medellin Traveler says on Mar 21, 2008, 13:38:

azunoman,

AGREE!

As I"ve mentioned above... the new Colombia is the same O' Colombia.

Medellin Es Una Chimba! - www.medellintraveler.com

azunoman says on Mar 21, 2008, 14:20:

Traveler...I would have to agree with you and I would feel threatened there by the power as it stand now.

When I visited el Ceja I asked my relative if there were any other Americans there? He said yes, they own the flower plantations. He was very pleased to have a job there and a house that the government subsidized.

But what pisses me off is why do the Americans own the bloody plantations. When did America start colonizing Colombia? With FTA? Why did his apparent fondness for the American really bug me. He certainly isn't unionized and I know that the American are there to get the most share holder value. Screw people.

Why was my relative so passive? What did my eyes start burning outside el Ceja? How can Uribe be considered conservative when he is a member of the liberal party? Why can't the Liberal party groom a successor rather than keep trying to change the term limits.

sorry...just brought back a lot of thoughts about Colombia after my visit. I promised I would stay off pbh a few days...my bad

Ready, Fire, Aim

durito says on Mar 21, 2008, 14:41:

"When did America start colonizing Colombia? "

Around 1890 the US and it's large companies began to assert vast control over much of Latin America.

Surely you've heard of the United Fruit Company (chiquita banana today)

DodgerDogs says on Mar 21, 2008, 15:17:

The United Fruit Company
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Marta_Massacre
politicalfriendster.com/showPerson.php?...&name=United-Fruit-Company

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.Martin Luther King:

robi666 says on Mar 21, 2008, 15:23:

Cien años de soledad: la compañía bananera.

buggy says on Mar 21, 2008, 15:23:

"Artículo 20 de la Constitución Política. Se garantiza a toda persona la libertad de expresar y difundir su pensamiento y opiniones,...No habrá censura."

buggy says on Mar 21, 2008, 15:26:

"Artículo 20 de la Constitución Política. Se garantiza a toda persona la libertad de expresar y difundir su pensamiento y opiniones,...No habrá censura."

DodgerDogs says on Mar 21, 2008, 15:53:

Robi: reads GGM books ???

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.Martin Luther King:

robi666 says on Mar 21, 2008, 16:03:

Yes, some of them.

Alma del Norte says on Mar 21, 2008, 16:07:

It's funny how these threads sometimes take-off, other times no one is interested.

The subject of this thread was posted by Cali373:

http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/un-calls-for-probe-in-colombia-d...

on the 15th.

Juancegomez asked for help finding the UN report.

Here are a list of the dead, who were community leaders, organisers on a local scale, but not rsponsible for coordinating the day nationally:

Assassinated Trade Unionists in the week of 6 March

Carmen Cecilia Carvajal, teacher. Killed 4 March, in Ocaña.

Leonidas Gómez Rozo, member of the bankworkers union, Unión Nacional de Empleados Bancarios (Uneb), president of the CITY-BANK Branco. Killed on 5 March, in Bogotá.

Gildardo Gómez Alzate, teacher and activist of the Asociación de Institutores de Antioquia (Adida). Killed 7 March, in Medellín.

Carlos Burbano, vice-president of the Hospitalworkers Union, Asociación Nacional de Trabajadores Hospitalarios. Killed 11 March, San Vicente del Caguán.

Lcacique says on Mar 21, 2008, 16:39:

"When did America start colonizing Colombia?"

"the 1920s are known as the 'Dance of Millions' as foreign money poured in. US investment rose from US$4 million in 1913 to US$173 million by 1929." ~ Inside Colombia by Jenny Pearce.

Colombia is a stratified country and both the liberals and the conservatives (in general) represent the interests of an elite minority (Not too different from the US in that sense). And of course the paras have received preferential treatment, they don't have an ideology that challenges the ruling structure. Plus, the US encouraged Colombia to develop such entities in order to enact terror way back during the Kennedy era with the Alliance for Peace (as a means of fighting the Cold War). I sincerely hope that I will see the day (SOON) when Colombia has an honorable military that protects all of its citizenry and zero terrorist groups on the left and the right.

Latin American history is a bloody one painted by a tight relationship between US-owned companies and military dictatorships and/or right-wing death squads. All you have to do is read one Latin American history book to figure that out. Read ten or twelve and the picture becomes very clear. Not to discredit some of the positive things that the US has done in the region, or to condone the actions of the FARC.

Hoy se nota en la floresta un ambiente de alegría. ¡Y el rumor de ranchería es mas dulce y sabe a fiesta!

Medellin Traveler says on Mar 21, 2008, 17:06:

Why doesn't this get more coverage in the Colombian media?

These people were obviously not your typical victims of violence in poor shantytowns in Colombia.

Colombians should be OUTRAGED!

ALL those marches for naught........

Medellin Es Una Chimba! - www.medellintraveler.com

goin_south says on Mar 21, 2008, 17:14:

It's odd. Bloodshed like this continues.
I never thought about it until recently when one of the pbh members from Great Britain likened Colombia in ways to the war that raged through Ireland not so long ago.
(hell... I'm guessing they have stopped that fuss long ago; maybe not... sometimes... you're shielded, for good measure, without a tv.)

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

buggy says on Mar 21, 2008, 17:15:

"It's funny how these threads sometimes take-off, other times no one is interested.

The subject of this thread was posted by Cali373:

http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/un-calls-for-probe-in-colombia-d....

on the 15th."

and one by myself on 20th:

http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/se-responsabiliza-a-jos-obdulio-...

"Artículo 20 de la Constitución Política. Se garantiza a toda persona la libertad de expresar y difundir su pensamiento y opiniones,...No habrá censura."

goin_south says on Mar 21, 2008, 17:16:

It's even more odd... I would NOT have traveled to Ireland in those times...
but, can't wait to get back to Colombia, yet again.
and, it's not just the girlz...
It's more.
(not much,... but,...ja..)

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

goin_south says on Mar 21, 2008, 17:18:

who wants to party in Ireland???

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

Medellin Traveler says on Mar 21, 2008, 17:28:

I seen the girls in Ireland, and............... like I told my friends when I got back to the states.

If you're looking for a good-looking Irish girl, stay out of Ireland 'cause there ain't any to be found there.

The only thing to do in Ireland is DRINK!

Unless you like sheep, but that's a different story....... and I'm sure there's probably a website dedicated to all that, for a low monthly fee of $39.99

Medellin Es Una Chimba! - www.medellintraveler.com

Medellin Traveler says on Mar 21, 2008, 17:29:

It's all about the money!

Medellin Es Una Chimba! - www.medellintraveler.com

Lcacique says on Mar 21, 2008, 18:40:

MT: You're right that they were not typical shantytown victims, but they were typical victims in the sense that they were involved in unions and education. The paras have always targeted these groups as well as human rights workers. Killing anyone is evil in my book, but it really says something about the paras when they kill union leaders, professors, journalists, community leaders and human rights workers. (FARC killings are just as evil, I know!).

Hoy se nota en la floresta un ambiente de alegría. ¡Y el rumor de ranchería es mas dulce y sabe a fiesta!

goin_south says on Mar 21, 2008, 18:49:

that's cold-blooded, MT.... but my thoughts..... I thought someone would spit it out for me... (about the lack of good-looking Irish girls in Ireland - or, elsewhere.. ja) .. Now, watch Cg come later and tell us she's 3/4 Irish.

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

Medellin Traveler says on Mar 21, 2008, 18:52:

goin_south,

I was asked by my Irish friends about the girls, that's my honest reply.

Medellin Es Una Chimba! - www.medellintraveler.com

goin_south says on Mar 21, 2008, 18:56:

"(that's cold-blooded), MT.... but my thoughts"... EXACTLY.

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

Alma del Norte says on Mar 21, 2008, 19:02:

Here is a quite a good translation of durito's e-mail "threat", courtesy of,

democracticunderground.com

RE-ARMED BLACK EAGLES
FIRST VIRTUAL COMMUNIQUÉ - ARMED STRUGGLE PHASE A
MARCH 12, 2008

By virtue of what we have called our rejuvenated organization and the new direction of our armed struggle, we allow ourselves to inform of our serious intentions to openly declare that many Colombians who share our ideals have required, in all the national territory, many compatriots' daily desire is for a TOTAL REARMAMENT OF PARAMILITARY FORCES, who defend private property and the collective interests of thousands of Colombians. It was a great error to promote a demobilization process that brought us to the brink of the disaster we are confronting, THE POLITICAL RECOGNITION FOR WHICH THE FARC-EP HAS FOUGHT DURING MORE THAN 50 YEARS is evident, and has undermined the honor of many Colombians, WE HAVE BEEN CLEARLY DEFEATED IN THE POLITICAL AND MILITARY FIELD, today the Colombian guerrillas are seeking to sown their ideology in foreign territories, they enjoy international status, and in addition to this they bask in the high support of many Chiefs of State, it is time to generate a change of attitude, which confronts these consequences which are a product of flimsy governments, with no direction or determination, prostrated to U.S. policies and strategies, ALVARO URIBE VELEZ represents submission and self-interest, trickery, irresponsibility and, even worse, A FALSE COMPATRIOT WHO WITH DONATIONS OFFERED IN AN ABSURD DEMOBILIZATION TRIED TO OBTAIN HIS INTERNATIONAL RECOGNITION IN ORDER TO PERPETUATE HIMSELF IN POWER.

We loyally believe that paramilitarism has been a method of social and political domination that has its roots in the doctrine of national security and is democratic. It began as an anti-subversive strategy and ended up becoming a model of territorial control, with a convergence of the most backward sectors of the armed forces, political parties and private enterprise.

The State's abandonment of the effort to protect its monopoly on use of force is extraordinarily dangerous and unforeseen. AGUILAS NEGRAS are not emerging groups but a figure on the national scene, these words were invented by the Minister of Interior and Justice CARLOS OLGUIN SARDI, a conservative bureaucrat who only EXERCISES POLITICAL PRESSURES IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN HIS FAMILY AND CLOSE FRIENDS IN PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION, on the contrary we have continued and re-started our armed struggle with the support and toleration of the State and the citizenry in general, which orient us to act within military parameters and policies defined by those who urge us forward.

Based on these proposals, all those entities, institutions, diplomatic representations and common people who receive this virtual communiqué are declared PHASE A MILITARY OBJECTIVES (MEDIA, NGO'S, EMBASSIES, CONGRESSPEOPLE AND EX-CONGRESSPEOPLE, GENERAL CITIZENRY WHO SUPPORTS AND LOGISTICALLY COLLABORATES WITH THE NARCOGUERRILLAS) which means breaking the back of the FARC-EP's current military and political structures, in addition to the consequences that these imply, like murders, disappearances and everything that concerns our political and military ideology, which intends to finish off, for once and for all, the help it gets from citizen participation disguised as unconditional support, both armed and political, to these narco-terrorist groups, as our supreme commander calls them, it is time to say COLOMBIA LIVES, if COLOMBIA LIVES IN PEACE.

JAIRO ALONSO HENAO GUTIERREZ COMANDANTE CAMILO
COMANDO CENTRAL AGUILAS NEGRAS EN REARME

Alma del Norte says on Mar 21, 2008, 19:10:

Not particularly threatening, but a bit wacky if you ask me.

Lcacique says on Mar 21, 2008, 20:20:

"We loyally believe that paramilitarism has been a method of social and political domination that has its roots in the doctrine of national security and is democratic."

Oh jesus that is hilarious!!!

At least it is admitted that their goal is to dominate society as well as the political arena. If their goal is to defeat narcoterrorism, does that mean they are going to fight themselves?

Hoy se nota en la floresta un ambiente de alegría. ¡Y el rumor de ranchería es mas dulce y sabe a fiesta!

robi666 says on Mar 21, 2008, 22:41:

Yes, wacky at best... and if you think that it was sent by email (!)... ridiculous.

We won't see any politically motivated anti subversive Autodefensas Unidas de Colombia again. Those days are over with Castano, Jorge 40 and co.

Murder a syndicate activist because he is causing a problem to some local rich mafioso interests? Probably yes.
Murder the same man because he organized a march like this? I don't think so.

Medellin Traveler says on Mar 22, 2008, 06:28:

Doesn't organizing the march interfere with some local rich mafioso interests?

Which will almost aways result in the demise of the organiazer, as so often happens in Colombia.

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tejasmarcos says on Mar 22, 2008, 07:29:

sounds like they need anonymous organizing strategies from this point forward. with technology the way it is nowadays, that should not be too difficult. learn from your mistakes, but never stop trying......

the key is to smarten up.

"smarten" - what a word! jajajajaja!

god is in your head

juancegomez says on Mar 22, 2008, 09:17:

tejasmarcos: That's all fine and good at a national level, and that does give national organizers an additional layer of security in a way, but you will always need some amount of local organizing and promotion on a personal basis, which was what these individuals were doing, essentially, placing their lives at a more direct risk.

Lcacique: You have a point in that these are indeed "typical" victims of paramilitarism, with or without the mobilization, because they tend to target union workers, human rights defenders and so on all the freaking time...but the fact that this is happening in and around the March 6th protests just highlights these atrocities further, and one can't help but think that they are also being killed as a reaction to their renewed efforts to speak out.

Alma: The thing is, such a paramilitary statement, as laughable as it seems on the surface, does somehow represent their thoughts and murderous intent, even if at a very basic level.

Btw, I had a similar thought about these discussion topics and the attention they receive, more or less...

Speaking of which...I finally found the UN statement elsewhere:

-----------------
Preocupación por amenazas y asesinatos de defensores de derechos humanos

2008-03-13

La Oficina en Colombia del Alto Comisionado de las Naciones Unidas para los Derechos Humanos expresa su profunda preocupación por las amenazas de muerte de las que han sido víctimas líderes de organizaciones sociales de base y miembros de organizaciones de derechos humanos que participaron activamente en la reciente marcha del 6 de marzo.

El Sistema de las Naciones Unidas en Colombia se ha pronunciado ya con claridad y firmeza respecto a : “la importancia que tiene para el país reconocer el derecho de todas las víctimas a la verdad, la justicia y la reparación, incluyendo las necesarias garantías de no repetición‿.

Igualmente, en reiteradas oportunidades, la Alta Comisionada de la ONU para los Derechos Humanos, señora Louise Arbour, ha manifestado su respaldo a la “dedicación y valentía de las defensoras y defensores de derechos humanos “, y ha abogado “por la adopción de medidas efectivas que mejoren su protección‿.

En las últimas semanas varios asesinatos de líderes de base y comunales han sido puestos en conocimiento de la Oficina, poniendo en evidencia los riesgos, para sus vidas e integridad, que los activistas sociales y de derechos humanos afrontan en sus regiones, muchas veces por cuenta de grupos armados ilegales. En su mayoría, estos homicidios no alcanzan visibilidad frente a la opinión pública, a pesar de su profundo impacto y graves consecuencias en las comunidades donde estas personas ejercieron su labor y en sus respectivas organizaciones.

Es urgente una acción decidida para aclarar el atentado del 28 de febrero con arma de fuego contra el domicilio de la señora Luz Adriana González, miembro del Comité Permanente por la Defensa de los Derechos Humanos y promotora de la marcha del 6 de marzo en Pereira; y los homicidios de los señores Edgar José Molina (colaborador de Huipaz) el 23 de febrero, en Algeciras, Huila; Manuel José Reina Collazos (miembro del Partido Conservador) el 25 de febrero, en Vijes, Valle; Leonidas Gómez Rozo (dirigente del sindicato UNEB) el 5 de marzo, en Bogotá; y Carlos Burbano (directivo del sindicato ANTHOC) cuyo cadáver apareció el 11 de marzo, en San Vicente del Caguán, Caquetá.

La Oficina solicita a las autoridades del Estado garantizar una pronta y eficaz protección de los defensores de derechos humanos y líderes de las organizaciones sociales de base. También urge a la Fiscalía a adelantar una decidida investigación de los hechos arriba citados.

La Oficina saluda y respalda el sentido plenamente ciudadano y democrático del trabajo de los defensores de derechos humanos y reitera la enorme significación que adquiere, en las actuales circunstancias, el que los más altos representantes del Estado expresen públicamente su respaldo a todas las personas y organizaciones que reivindican legítimamente sus derechos a la verdad, la justicia, la reparación y las garantías de no repetición.

http://www.hchr.org.co/publico/comunicados/2008/comunicados2008.php3?c...

romy says on Mar 22, 2008, 09:45:

Thanks Juance for providing the statement from the UN. I had become skeptical of the article citing it because I couldn't find any other mention of it. Correct me if I'm wrong. this story hasn't received any attention from the Colombian mainstream media?

juancegomez says on Mar 22, 2008, 10:01:

tomy: It did receive some attention, though not really too much. From what I could see, the story was summarized and the statement was mentioned but not really expanded upon in most outlets, I believe.

Not that the international media really gave it that much attention either, exceptions aside, but well...

Medellin Traveler says on Mar 22, 2008, 10:09:

It's really not up to the international media, it's up to the Colombian media to report EVERTHING about what's going on in Colombia.

NOT... how many FARC members have been killed by Uribe and the army.

If Colombia wants to make it on the world stage, they must be prepared for when International media comes asking questions as to why these people are getting killed, by who, and why does it seem they can never find out who truly is responsible for the deaths of innocent people.

Medellin Es Una Chimba! - www.medellintraveler.com

juancegomez says on Mar 22, 2008, 10:22:

MT: It's up to both, both collectively and independently.

"If Colombia wants to make it on the world stage, they must be prepared for when International media comes asking questions as to why these people are getting killed"

You've said it yourself then. The international media has people here which can question officials, interview these organizations and present their points of view as well, including what happens in these cases.

If they do not do so or fail to provide enough coverage, that's not the Colombian media's fault, or is it?

It's not like U.S. or European outlets don't ignore *many* of the news coming out of Colombia anyways, conflict or violence related or otherwise, so they aren't always mirroring what does or doesn't get really covered here. They are independent actors, after all, with their own priorities, which they choose by themselves.

For example, SEMANA, EL ESPECTADOR and even EL TIEMPO have had plenty of coverage for paramilitary-related stuff not-so-long-ago, and I've hardly seen most of that get translated into English. Why?

"by who, and why does it seem they can never find out who truly is responsible for the deaths of innocent people."

But you realize that impunity rates are very high (and convictions low) all across the board, don't you? If not, then you should.

Not just these cases, though they may also be admittedly harder to resolve, are being left in impunity.

If crime was low and impunity for murders mostly affected opposition groups, we'd be seeing a very different situation in other respects as well.

Lcacique says on Mar 22, 2008, 10:43:

juance: I agree with the statement you directed my way.

I also think it is the responsibility of the international community to pick up the story, especially those countries that have economic interests in Colombia. You can guarantee that if the FARC assassinated organizers of the anti-FARC protest, news would have been huge in Colombia as well as in the States. Quite frankly, the under-reporting of this event simply demonstrates once again a bias that exists within certain groups both in Colombia as well as in the US.

It is reflected on this site quite often as well, where everyone wants to criticize the FARC (rightfully so I might add!), but little attention is given to the paras who deserve, at the very least, equal condemnation. In fact, some seem to support the paras.

Hoy se nota en la floresta un ambiente de alegría. ¡Y el rumor de ranchería es mas dulce y sabe a fiesta!

robi666 says on Mar 22, 2008, 11:01:

The paras like we used to think of, do not exist anymore.

No support is seen, if not by the people who directly use them or take advantage on their actions. Oligarchs and mafiosos.

Those people were hardly killed because they were "organizers" of the march, but for particular regional situation and consideration. Aguilas don't care a shit about politic. And they do not care a shit about insurgency.

The email is ridiculous.

Can please someone explain who's JAIRO ALONSO HENAO GUTIERREZ COMANDANTE CAMILO?

buggy says on Mar 23, 2008, 02:54:

The comments of robi666 are more and more ridiculous.
And he becomes more and more comprehensive with the paracos.

"Artículo 20 de la Constitución Política. Se garantiza a toda persona la libertad de expresar y difundir su pensamiento y opiniones,...No habrá censura."

RAAAY says on Mar 23, 2008, 07:57:

I agree Buggy...........I have him on ignore, so I can't read his stuff...............you should do the same. Actually, if you want discussions with like minded people, you should probably put everybody here on ignore.

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.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

robi666 says on Mar 23, 2008, 08:37:

buggy, comprehensive with paras? You do not know what you're talking about, buddy.

Without going into personal facts, I was talking about Aguilas Negras when most of the people on here used to think the demobilization was an effective thing and thought about paracos like the gringo's boyscouts on here.
Aguilas is an old fact, 2006. And by then I was saying, be wary, something is happening.

Aguilas are narcos, worked hand in hand with some FARC Comandos in some department, get their money from kidnapping rich people (strange for AUC?) and selling them to FARC, vacunas and taxes on drug. They care about one thing: money.
Their main counterpart, Los Nevados, is a group which is been bought by the Mejia brothers, again, narcos to the spine, who do not care at all about any political project.
And so are Los Machos.

There is not anymore Jorge 40 or Salvatore. Those people could actually read and write, think about the "mandos medios" at power now.
Political project? Forget about it.

Still, on PBH, now everyone is waking up, talking about Aguilas Negras, courfeit, and all those shit.
You cannot go from an opposite to the other, from nothing to "they are doing political kill".
I told, they may have killed those people, but forget that it was because they were simply "organizers" (still, to understand what it means organizers) of the march.

Are they targeting Webmanco? He was pushing the march quite a bit on this site and they can PM him easily. :)

You will see and time will tell if I am not right on this.
Now, if the people in Itagui decide that they have to do something and they feel betrayed by the government, something may change. But it is not the case, right now.

Still:
1) Who's this JAIRO ALONSO HENAO GUTIERREZ COMANDANTE CAMILO?
2) The email sounds ridiculous.

I am willing to change my mind if someone can show me more evidences about this.

RAAAY says on Mar 23, 2008, 08:46:

Robi................here is the evidence....
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.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

robi666 says on Mar 23, 2008, 08:48:

About the support they may have from the people, I can talk about the people of the Sierra Nevada.

In 2006 and the beginning of 2007, Aguilas began to introduce themselves to the people, as the new group they were responsible of order and law enforcement. They begun to do some limpieza and all that shit.

You know what the people did? The same very people that absolutely LOVE "El Patron" Hernan Giraldo?
They went calling the army. That's what they did.
They were saying that this new group (Aguilas Negras) were just a bunch of criminals going after money, and they went after them.

It will not be easy for them to get the population favor, time had changed it, forever.

Now, if FARC or ELN show up again in one of those pueblos between El Magdalena y La Guajira... be sure that those "paisano" will take their arms again and hang them with their balls tied on the highest tree.
That's how it is and always will be.

romy says on Mar 23, 2008, 11:15:

Robi- Why have you assumed that Aguilas Negras killed these 6 individuals?

Lcacique says on Mar 23, 2008, 11:52:

robi666:

You seem to imply that the AUC was not highly involved in narcotics. The US State Department disagrees. Aguilas and the AUC have narcotics in common. The level of priority that the industry had for each group may vary slightly, but the AUC was very involved in drug trafficking. Nevertheless, major players in the drug industry were leaders in the AUC (i.e. Diego Fernando Murillo "Don Berna", Víctor Manuel Mejía "El Mellizo" and Francisco Javier Zuluaga "Gordolindo").

Most people who were critical of the paras, the demobilization, and the toothless original draft of the "Justice and Peace Law," had warranted doubts that the days of paras were going to become a distant memory in Colombia. The Aguilas Negras should not have surprised anyone. And just because they lack the organization and ideology of the AUC, it does not mean that they will not participate in politically motivated crimes, nor does it mean that these things will not develop over time.

You correctly call the Aguilas Negras a bunch of criminals, however, I think that description is equally applicable to the AUC. They were nothing more than criminals who some seem to glorify because on paper they claim to be fighting the same fight as the government (i.e. they are oppose to the FARC). They were a military paid for by wealthy landowners and drug traffickers that was utilized to massacre tons of people (most of whom were innocent) and the reasons were certainly not always politically motivated.

Hoy se nota en la floresta un ambiente de alegría. ¡Y el rumor de ranchería es mas dulce y sabe a fiesta!

robi666 says on Mar 23, 2008, 12:05:

Lcacique,
I never said AUC was not into narcotics.

But don't put together Don Berna and Los Mellizos, because they are VERY different cases.
Los Mellizos are purely narcos, not paras. They bought a group just to be in the law of Peace and Justice (and to defend themselves), but they were turned down by the government. In case you did not know it, they are not in Itagui with Don Berna for a reason.

What I am saying here is that the new groups, and Los Mellizos, do not share the political vision that AUC had.
If that political vision was even sincere, it is a different story. Try to read Mis Confesion de Carlos Castano to know what I mean.
But, Aguilas, Los nevados, Los Machos, they never tried to present themselves as a political group.

"The Aguilas Negras should not have surprised anyone" They surely not surprised me. I was between the first here criticizing the process of demobilization. Aguilas were well present and causing problems in SM back in 2006.

AUCs were criminals, who tells the contrary. But you cannot deny that they had an ideology (again, I am not saying that it was a sincere vision). Like we cannot deny FARC have (had?) an ideology.
Money always destroys anything.

Bottom line is, that, while I could think it of the old AUC, I cannot believe, until more evidences come out, that Aguilas Negras, as a national organization, will go after all the organizers of the March, just for being that, organizers.
Surely enough, Los Mellizos and their group do not care a shit about the March.

robi666 says on Mar 23, 2008, 12:35:

Again: Who's this JAIRO ALONSO HENAO GUTIERREZ COMANDANTE CAMILO who talks for Aguilas Negras? Anyone has infos about him? Did he land in Colombia from Mars or what?

This is their address (IT IS ABSOLUTELY THE TRUTH), from which they sent the menace. If you want you can send an email of protest:
Aguilasnegrasenrearme at hotmail.com

It seems ridiculous, until someone doesn't tell me more about it.

DodgerDogs says on Mar 23, 2008, 12:49:

Aguilas Negras Comandante Camilo

www.eltiempo.com/conflicto/noticias/ARTICULO-WEB-NOTA_INTERIOR-3306783...

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.Martin Luther King:

robi666 says on Mar 23, 2008, 12:51:

Thanks DD. Not much to understand, an article of Octubre 31 de 2006, but something anyway.
I tried to look on the internet myself, and his name seems to always and only appear with the different transcript of the menace.

robi666 says on Mar 23, 2008, 12:57:

AUTORIDAD NACIONAL DE GOBIERNO INDIGENA – ONIC

CUARTA AMENAZA CONTRA LA AUTORIDAD NACIONAL DE GOBIERNO INDIGENA

– ONIC, denunciamos a nivel, nacional e internacional las recientes amenazas proferidas por los paramilitares contra la líder indígena Kankuama, Silsa Arias, comunicadora de la ONIC.

Manifestamos nuestras más altas preocupaciones por las reiteradas y sistemáticas amenazas que se convierten en una flagrante violación a los derechos humanos y de los derechos de los pueblos indígenas, así como rechazamos y condenamos categóricamente la persecución política y el sistemático hostigamiento en contra de nuestra organización y de sus líderes y líderezas.

Como AUTORIDAD NACIONAL DE GOBIERNO INDIGENA – ONIC, como victimas hacemos parte del Movimiento Nacional de Victimas de Crímenes de Estado, que padecemos día a día el rigor del conflicto armando que vive Colombia. Y que por consiguiente participamos activamente de la movilización del 6 de Marzo de 2008, en respaldo a las VICTIMAS, a los DESPLAZADOS, a los DESAPARECIDOS y a los ASESINADOS bajo la categoría de crímenes de estado.

Antecedentes

1. En días pasados el 14 de febrero del presente año denunciamos la TERCERA AMENAZA y el HOSTIGAMIENTO que de son victimas los miembros de la Organización Unidad Indígena del Pueblo Awá – UNIPA, en el Departamento de Nariño, al igual que otras 13 organizaciones sociales en Nariño, realizada por parte de la "ORGANIZACIÓN NUEVA GENERACIÓN", desde su correo electrónico nuevageneracion_nariño at yahoo.com, dirigida a cada uno de los correos de las organizaciones, como al correo institucional de UNIPA, el día 12 de febrero a las 15:53:10, la cual dice: " " ONG´s de NARIÑO, Defensoras de Narcoterroristas, Q.E.P.D. "no permitiremos la realización de la marcha del 6 de Marzo porque esta organizada por los estafetas de la guerrilla y todo aquel que participe en ella se convierte en enemigo de la patria. La libertad y la conquista no la perderemos, el honor y la patria se debe defender y respetar. Todas las ONGs Nariñenses quedan advertidas", ¡Viva la libertad no a las viejas opresiones terroristas!".

2. El asesor privado del presidente de la republica José Udulio Gaviria, por medios de comunicación expresó que la marcha del 6 de marzo era convocada por las FARC EP, señalando al Señor Iván Cepeda como correo directo de las FARC EP, así mismo señalo a las organizaciones de derechos humanos.

3. El día 11 de Marzo de 2008, llegan a nuestra oficina vía Internet una amenaza de muerte del correo De: "jesus ibañes" MailScanner ha detectado un posible intento de fraude desde "www.onic.org.co" baez357 at hotmail.com.

4. El día 11 recibimos nuevas amenazas por vía electrónica siendo las 11 de la mañana del grupo, Aguilasnegrasenrearme at hotmail.com.

5. El Grupo Paramilitar “ Agulias Negras�? Anuncia que empezara a desaparecer a varias personas reconocidas como defensoras de derechos humanos y de organizaciones sociales, campesinas e indígenas, las cuales marcharon el 6 de marzo. En la lista de nombres aparece nuestra líder indígena del pueblo Kankuamo Silsa Arias.

6. El día 12 de marzo llega otro comunicado del mismo grupo denominado Aguilasnegrasenrearme at hotmail.com en esta ocasión declara objetivo militar a todas las organizaciones sociales y de derechos humanos que participaron activamente en la marcha del 6 de marzo. La firma del comunicado es hecha por: JAIRO ALONSO HENAO GUTIERREZ COMANDANTE CAMILO, COMANDO CENTRAL �?GUILAS NEGRAS EN REARME.

Por lo anterior

· Responsabilizamos al Estado colombiano, de lo que pueda suceder contra la Vida e Integridad personal de la Líder Indígena Silsa Arias, así como de cualquier integrante de la Organización Nacional Indígena de Colombia, de sus organizaciones Regionales y de otras organizaciones sociales y defensoras de derechos humanos.

· Silsa Arias, como líder del Pueblo Kankuamo, en la actualidad cuenta con medias Cautelares y provisionales de la Comisión y de la Corte Interamericana de Derechos Humanos, de la OEA. para lo cual solicitamos de dichos organismos que requieran del Estado Colombiano la adopción de medidas inmediatas que garantice la integridad física y personal de nuestra dirigente.

Demandamos de acuerdo a lo denunciado a la Defensoría de Pueblo y a la Procuraduría:

· Sean adoptadas medidas inmediatas, oportunas y adecuadas, de como acuerdo con los afectados, tendientes a proteger la Vida, Libertad e Integridad Personal de Silsa Arias, indígena del Pueblo Kankuamo. así como de los miembros de su familia y demás integrantes de la Organización mencionadas en las amenazas.
· A la Fiscalia General de la Nación. Sean detenidamente investigados estos hechos, adoptando las sanciones correspondientes en contra de los responsables de estas amenazas y actos de intimidación y hostigamiento.
A la Señora: Louise Arbour Alta Comisionada de Naciones Unidas para los Derechos Humanos

· Que se pronuncie y acompañe la verificación de los hechos que en el momento están ocurriendo contra las y los líderes mencionados y se tomen las medidas necesarias para garantizar la vida e integridad de los derechos humanos.

· Llamar al Gobierno Colombiano a adoptar medidas eficaces en respeto pleno de los DDHH pues de lo contrario seguimos dejando evidencia de la burla a que están sometidas los acuerdos, pactos, convenios ratificados por Colombia en el marco de los derechos humanos a nivel internacional.

A las organizaciones Internacionales, ONGs.

· Realicen el cabildeo e incidencia Política ante sus gobiernos, parlamentos y organizaciones sociales y defensoras de los derechos humanos de sus países, para que requieran del gobierno Nacional de Colombia el respeto por la vida, la integridad de las y los líderes de derechos humanos.

Organizaciones de Periodistas.

Solicitamos vuestros pronunciamientos de solidaridad con la Compañera Indígena y periodista Silsa Arias. Por que de nuevo estos hechos atentan contra la libertad de expresión.

La ONIC manifiesta de manera irrestricta su respaldo solidario y firme a la compañera Silsa Arias en su lucha por difundir la situación de los Pueblos Indígenas de Colombia, así como el compromiso de seguir acompañando a las víctimas del conflicto armado colombiano en la indeclinable lucha de que se garanticen nuestros derechos a la verdad, a la justicia y a la reparación integral y colectiva, en defensa de la vida, del territorio y la autonomía de los Pueblos.

DodgerDogs says on Mar 23, 2008, 13:01:

Robi: Start with these articules about Comandante Camilo ,and sort through the fact and fiction . Good luck and good reading , as for me Aguilas Negras are just extortion punks selling drugs , and have little suport in the public sector................................................

UNHCR/ACNUR y los Refugiados: Agencia para Refugiados de las Naciones ...- Translate this page
El Alto Comisionado de las Naciones Unidas para los Refugiados supervisa y coordina la acción internacional en favor ... de Las �?guilas. Noticias Relacionadas: ...
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... secundado por 'Julio', encargado de las finanzas, y 'Camilo', comandante militar. ... El líder es Juan Carlos Monje Alvarado, el 'Monje', quien fue vocero ...
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... secundado por "Julio", encargado de las finanzas, y "Camilo", comandante militar. ... El líder es Juan Carlos Monje Alvarado, el "Monje", quien fue vocero ...
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'Sinaí', 'Camilo', y Jhon Palma crearon los embriones de las �?guilas Negras en ... �?guilas no se sabe con exactitud quién o quiénes las lideran, pero es posible ...
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... Policía capturó a un comandante de las Aguilas Negras de Santander que intentaba ... las Aguilas Negras conocido con el alias de "El Gato" y quien fue ...
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El Alto Comisionado de las Naciones Unidas para los Refugiados supervisa y coordina la acción internacional en favor de ... Las "�?guilas negras", grupo ...
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El comunicado lo firma Jairo Alonso Henao Gutiérrez, "Comandante Camilo" ... de organizaciones sociales, se hacen llamar "�?guilas negras en rearme", como si ...
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... Las Aguilas Negras; Rodrigo Mercado Peluffo Cadena' temible comandante para' de ... bueno finalmente la gente sabe quien es quien y con esas declaraciones no hace ...
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Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.Martin Luther King:

Lcacique says on Mar 23, 2008, 13:05:

I read part of Castaños book while in Colombia. I have never tried to obtain a copy here in the states.

I apologize if I misinterpreted some of your points. For the most part, I think we agree on quite a few things with respect to this situation.

Hoy se nota en la floresta un ambiente de alegría. ¡Y el rumor de ranchería es mas dulce y sabe a fiesta!

robi666 says on Mar 23, 2008, 13:11:

"Robi: Start with these articules about Comandante Camilo ,and sort through the fact and fiction . Good luck and good reading , as for me Aguilas Negras are just extortion punks selling drugs , and have little suport in the public sector"

I know you are one of the few who knows about what he is talking about DD.
Sometimes you just have to hit the streets to know something.

I am beginnig to sort the articles...

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It talks about another Camilo. Adrián de Jesús Mesa, alias Camilo.

robi666 says on Mar 23, 2008, 13:12:

For the second, please post the link...
EL TIEMPO.COM - Conflicto armado -> Las '�?guilas negras', grupo ...- Translate this page
... secundado por 'Julio', encargado de las finanzas, y 'Camilo', comandante militar. ... El líder es Juan Carlos Monje Alvarado, el 'Monje', quien fue vocero ...
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robi666 says on Mar 23, 2008, 13:12:

Same for the third...
El Diario de Yaracuy - Las "�?guilas Negras" dominan cinco regiones y ...- Translate this page
... secundado por "Julio", encargado de las finanzas, y "Camilo", comandante militar. ... El líder es Juan Carlos Monje Alvarado, el "Monje", quien fue vocero ...
eldiariodeyaracuy.com/index.php?...&task=view&id=10195&Itemid=4 - 51k - Cached

robi666 says on Mar 23, 2008, 13:13:

The fourth is about another Camilo, again Adrián de Jesús Mesa, alias 'Camilo'

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'Sinaí', 'Camilo', y Jhon Palma crearon los embriones de las �?guilas Negras en ... �?guilas no se sabe con exactitud quién o quiénes las lideran, pero es posible ...
www.semana.com/wf_InfoArticulo.aspx?idArt=100947 - 75k

robi666 says on Mar 23, 2008, 13:15:

The fifth... Camilo is not even mentioned anywhere
Noticias - Caracol Radio- Translate this page
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robi666 says on Mar 23, 2008, 13:17:

The sixth... same information as the 2006 article "El jefe principal es un hombre conocido como 'Jorge', secundado por 'Julio', encargado de las finanzas, y 'Camilo', comandante militar. " not much indeed.

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robi666 says on Mar 23, 2008, 13:19:

Juan Camilo Restrepo contra el IVA a productos básicos... the only Camilo of...

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robi666 says on Mar 23, 2008, 13:19:

Ok, got tired... we really cannot find much about him... Does anyone?

DodgerDogs says on Mar 23, 2008, 13:20:

Robi: At least your getting some exercise for your eyes, but I would not waste my time looking for Camilo , unless he was looking for me first.

The letters the Aguilas Negras pass around in my town, with the list of their intended victims, have never caused wide spread panic.

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.Martin Luther King:

robi666 says on Mar 23, 2008, 13:25:

So, what would you think about a menace from their email address?
Aguilasnegrasenrearme at hotmail.com

Take care DD, God may protect you from any Camilos going after you... :)

webmanco says on Mar 24, 2008, 12:34:

A couple of street vendors killed by Paras, with the knowledge y/o participation of a Militar.

http://www.eltiempo.com/justicia/2008-03-24/ARTICULO-WEB-NOTA_INTERIOR...

Amigos de Colombia

24 de Marzo de 2008

Por alianza con 'paras' en masacre de Viotá, destituyen al capitán Édgar Arbeláez Sánchez

En Viotá, los paramilitares sembraron el terror. Según la Procuraduría, el capitán Édgar Arbeláez tuvo nexos con estos grupos ilegales

"Va a trabajar conmigo, o qué... vea... levanten dos manes de Fusa, los uniformes y los matamos a esos triple... Traigalos y mañana le hacemos la vuelta aquí con soldados míos. Deme un fusil y un changón y sale...", dice la conversación a través de celular.

But, I'm going to start making some assumptions here.... Which means I might actually end up making an ass out of myself ..........Thu 04 17, 2008 11:34 am

cali373 says on Mar 24, 2008, 12:44:

Well msaucey

Who else should we point to finger at, he is the public face of paramilitarism in Colombia. and according to Uribistas, there is no more paramilitarism.

Smile if you are a thinker!

cali373 says on Mar 24, 2008, 12:44:

Well msaucey

Who else should we point to finger at, he is the public face of paramilitarism in Colombia. and according to Uribistas, there is no more paramilitarism.

Smile if you are a thinker!

romy says on Mar 24, 2008, 15:03:

Asesinan a dos sindicalistas colombianos que participaron en marcha del 6 de marzo
TeleSUR _ 24/03/08 - 13:50 CCS | enviar | imprimir

Ya suman siete los sindicalistas asesinados antes y después de la marcha, cuyos organizadores ya habían denunciado amenazas de muerte por parte de grupos paramilitares como “Nueva Generación�? y “�?guilas Negras''.

Dos nuevos sindicalistas colombianos que participaron en la marcha del pasado 6 de marzo "Por la paz y contra el paramilitarismo en Colombia" fueron asesinados por presuntos grupos paramilitares.

Se trata de la profesora Carmén Cecilia Carvajal, quien fue hallada en Ocaña, en el departamento de Norte de Santander, y de Carlos Burbano, asesinado en San Vicente del Caguán, sureño departamento de Caquetá.

Carvajal, de 52 años, estaba afiliada a la Asociación de Institutores Norte Santandereanos y, según confirmó la Fiscalía colombiana, fue atacada por dos sicarios que le dispararon en el rostro la mañana del pasado 4 de marzo cuando salía de su casa.

Una semana más tarde, fue encontrado el cadáver de Burbano, quien hacía parte de la Asociación Nacional de Trabajadores y Servidores Públicos de la Salud (Anthoc), en la vía que conduce de San Vicente a la localidad de Puerto Rico, con heridas ocasionadas por arma blanca, dijo por su parte la Policía.

Ambos líderes sociales eran promotores de la gran movilización del pasado 06 de marzo.

Los organizadores de la marcha contra el paramilitarismo ya habían denunciado haber recibido amenazas de muerte -vía correo electrónico- de parte de grupos paramilitares como la organización "Nueva Generación" (ONG), que tiene presencia importante en el sureño departamento de Nariño y otro grupo de ultraderecha denominado las "�?guilas Negras".

Ya van siete

Según la Central Unitaria de Trabajadores de Colombia (CUT) y la ONU, entre el 23 de febrero y el 11 de marzo han sido asesinadas por lo menos seis personas pertenecientes a sindicatos y ONG de derechos humanos en cuatro departamentos y en Bogotá "como consecuencia de su participación en la marcha", aseguran.

A esos seis, se le suma una séptima víctima: Adolfo González, de 42 años, asesinado el pasado sábado y quien trabajaba en El Cerrejón y hacía parte del Sindicato Nacional de Trabajadores del Carbón (Sintracarbón) en La Guajira.

Además de Carvajal, Burbano y González, también han sido asesinados: Leonidas Gómez, del sindicato Unión Nacional de Empleados Bancarios (Uneb); Gildardo Antonio Gómez, educador y delegado de la Asociación de Institutores de Antioquia (Adida); Édgar Molina (colaborador de Huipaz); el del dirigente Manuel José Reina.

"Ninguna muerte tuvo una motivación personal. Suceden en momentos previos y posteriores a la marcha. Además, coincide con amenazas hechas a 20 personas de nuestro Departamento de Derechos Humanos y de Fecode", aseguró Fabio Arias, vicepresidente de la CUT.

Pese a este panorama, el Ministerio del Interior rechazó las amenazas contra organizaciones de derechos humanos y los sindicalistas que participaron en la protesta del 6 de marzo, y pidió la revisión de esquemas de seguridad.

Según el Gobierno de �?lvaro Uribe, cerca de 32 mil paramilitares fueron desmovilizados en el marco de la Ley de Justicia y Paz, una norma jurídica promovida y aprobada en el 2005 por el Congreso colombiano que persigue la "reinserción" de los paramilitares de las Autodefensas Unidas de Colombia (AUC), quienes supuestamente entregaron sus armas en el proceso de negociación celebrado entre 2003 y 2005.

Sin embargo, defensores de derechos humanos en Colombia aseguran que, tras su presunta desmovilización, también han surgido nuevos grupos de "paras".

Sólo en 2008, han ocurrido 14 asesinatos de personas vinculadas con el movimiento sindical, según la Policía. De ese total, ocho son profesores.

juancegomez says on Mar 24, 2008, 15:25:

cali373 :

"Who else should we point to finger at, he is the public face of paramilitarism in Colombia"

Or you think he is, rather...

"and according to Uribistas, there is no more paramilitarism."

Which isn't the case...but even EL TIEMPO, which has been described as pro-Uribe, has published articles which do talk about renewed or continued paramilitary activity.

romy says on Mar 26, 2008, 14:47:

Well it seems like Uribe is being called out again. Will he respond?

Marzo 26 de 2008

Acusan a José Obdulio Gaviria de 'estigmatizar' a organizadores de marcha del 6 de marzo

En una fuerte carta, 22 organizaciones de Derechos Humanos le pidieron al presidente �?lvaro Uribe Vélez que se distancie cuanto antes de recientes declaraciones de su asesor.

En la carta, que va firmada por los pesos pesados de esta comunidad (Human Rights, Watch, Amnistía Internacional, Wola, Lawg y Human Rights First, entre otras), las ONG sostiene que los cuestionamientos de Gaviria a los organizadores o participantes de la marcha en memoria de las víctimas de los paramilitares terminaron por crear "un clima de intolerancia" y violencia.

El asesor, dicen, hizo varias declaraciones públicas en las que los relacionó con las Farc. Específicamente, contra Iván Cepeda, uno de los organizadores.

Según las ONG, entre el 4 y 11 de marzo, y luego de las declaraciones de Gaviria, 4 sindicalistas fueron asesinados. Desde entonces, muchas ONG han sido objeto de acosos, ataques físicos, amenazas de muerte y hasta robo de computadores e información de sus oficinas.

"Comentarios sin fundamento como estos, le hacen un profundo daño a la democracia colombiana y los derechos humanos y pone en peligro de violencia a aquellos contra quienes se hacen", dicen en la carta.

Sostienen, además, que la ola de ataques pone en entredicho el proceso de desmovilización paramilitar pues muchas de las amenazas han provenido de grupos como las "�?guilas Negras", o "paras" que se reintegraron o nunca se desmovilizaron.

En el comunicado de prensa que acompaña la carta, las ONG señalan también que esta oleada de ataques podría poner en riesgo la aprobación del Tratado de Libre Comercio, que sigue frenado en el Congreso estadounidense, precisamente, por las objeciones que existen frente a la violencia sindical.

"En el debate sobre el TLC, Uribe ha dicho repetidamente que está protegiendo a los trabajadores. Pero el hecho que permita que su asesor presidencial continúe con el hostigamiento, incluso cuando se está matando a sindicalista y defensores de los DD.HH., sugiere una desconexión real entre su discurso y sus acciones", argumentan las ONG.

Y le piden al Presidente adoptar tres medidas concretas:

Que públicamente condene las declaraciones de Gaviria y otros en su gobierno que han relacionado a los organizadores de la marcha con la guerrilla.

Que condene la nueva oleada de ataques y reafirme el apoyo de su gobierno a la protección de sindicalistas y activistas.

Que asegura una investigación inmediata e imparcial frente a los nuevos casos, castigue a los responsables, y tome medidas para desmantelar a los grupos "paras".

SERGIO GÓMEZ MASERI
Corresponsal de EL TIEMPO
Washington

DodgerDogs says on Mar 26, 2008, 16:26:

Associated Press

BOGOTA -- Nearly two dozen influential human rights groups have accused Colombian President Alvaro Uribe's administration of endangering the lives of activists in this violent South American country.

In a letter made public Wednesday, directors from Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International USA, Refugees International, Human Rights First and 18 other groups demanded that Uribe do more to protect human rights advocates and trade union members following a wave of killings earlier this month.

At least four people involved in a recent national march to protest paramilitary death squad violence were killed by far-right groups, and dozens more threatened with death, the letter said.

It also accused close Uribe adviser Jose Obdulio Gaviria of jeopardizing the lives of people who took part in the march by suggesting it was organized by the leftist Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, or FARC.

''Baseless comments such as these are profoundly damaging to Colombian democracy and human rights, and place those against whom they are made in direct danger of violence,'' the letter said. It urged Uribe to ``publicly disavow statements by Gaviria and others that linked the protest organizers to guerrillas.''

Uribe's administration has been criticized in the past for saying that human rights workers do the bidding of the FARC -- which human rights groups say amounts to a green light for the paramilitaries to target activists.

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.Martin Luther King:

juancegomez says on Mar 27, 2008, 11:05:

romy: He should, but he probably won't, respond to their request of publicly rejecting Gaviria's words, which seems to be one of the main objectives of the letter.

romy says on Mar 27, 2008, 14:06:

He damn well should. The government can't opinionate in a way that creates allegiances with those criminals.

More on Aguilas Negras and marchers...

Desplazados colombianos: "�?guilas Negras" nos amenaza por participar en marcha contra paramilitarismo
TeleSUR _ 27/03/08 - 11:28 CCS

La Organización Nacional de Desplazados Desarraigados Independientes (Opddi) denunció que el grupo paramilitar "�?guilas Negras" (extrema derecha) ha amenazado a sus integrantes por haber participado en la marcha del 6 de marzo, que se realizó en rechazo a la existencia, en Colombia, del paramilitarismo.

En ese sentido, la organización pidió "de manera urgente" protección para sus integrantes.

"Sabemos que ustedes fueron unas y unos de los que participaron de la marcha en contra de nosotros (...) Son unos de los que siguen en nuestra hermosa y bella lista. Si su lema era tierra, dignidad y paz, esta vez será terror, asesinato e infierno", se lee en los mensajes que les enviaron.

La Opddi aseguró que ha denunciado la situación ante la Fiscalía colombiana, Ministerio del Interior y organismos de control. Ahora, convocan al Gobierno del presidente �?lvaro Uribe para que se tomen medidas de seguridad para cada uno de ellos.

Estas no son las únicas amenazas que se conocen de las "�?guilas Negra". Las autoridades investigan el asesinato de seis sindicalistas que antes de su muerte habían denunciado amenazas de este grupo.

azunoman says on Apr 9, 2008, 14:23:

"When did America start colonizing" my original statement was rhetorical...Free Trade is for most undeveloped countries another form of colonization. But as I have stated many times on PBH, I am thankful everyday that the US was originally colonized by the English and not the Spaniards. I was away and missed most of this discussion...cheers

Ready, Fire, Aim

goin_south says on Apr 9, 2008, 17:11:

It was probably the Hillary compaign, ... calling for the investigation..
So she could rehire her manager and support the FTA... ;-)

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!