Once-Feared Medellin A Lesson To Drug-Hit Juarez

Lisa Zee says on Oct 16, 2009, 10:26:

Kudos to Sergio Fajardo!

Vive la vida y deja vivir!.

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dwmte7 says on Oct 16, 2009, 13:06:

ditto, lisa.

patriarch

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kenblanquito says on Oct 16, 2009, 15:10:

Ditto both

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makopp5 (☼Travelguide writer) says on Oct 16, 2009, 15:12:

theflatline says on Oct 16, 2009, 15:29:

This is old news.

Plus Jaurez has been nasty for about the last 50 years.

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dwmte7 says on Oct 16, 2009, 16:33:

norm..........more like 150 years.

patriarch

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dguittar says on Oct 17, 2009, 08:22:

Compared to the previous years, Ciudad Juárez is WAY worse than it has ever been. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/17/world/americas/17juarez.html?th&...
It seems like the drug kings have moved their operations here.

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theflatline says on Oct 17, 2009, 08:32:

The have been moving drugs through border towns and committing atrocities there for the last 30 years, now that it has starting leaking over the border or that people are becoming truly aware of what shit holes they are.

They are finally reporting the crimes because now the US is leaning on them to clean it up.

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utopiacowboy says on Oct 17, 2009, 08:51:

The violence that is occurring in Mexico is happening for the same reason that violence has skyrocketed in Medellin. When the authorities upset the established order and create a power vacuum, this creates chaos as the various factions fight for power. This is what is happening in the barrios of Medellin since DB has gone and this is what is happening in Mexico as the various cartels jockey for position. Traditionally Mexico has been a very safe country. The border cities of Texas are among the safest in Texas even now. Of course the PBH motto is "Don't bother me with the facts!".

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theflatline says on Oct 17, 2009, 09:10:

Nuevo Laredo is hardly a safe place.

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panthdave says on Oct 17, 2009, 13:40:

Medellin has changed drastically in the last month or so....with the small drug gangs battling over territory...The main bosses have been arrested...Police better get a hold of this quickly..Why would we want to compare Juarez to Medellin....I just don't see how we can compare there are two different animals...Medellin is completely different..The people and culture even though both are Latin...

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theflatline says on Oct 17, 2009, 13:59:

I will take my chances in Med over Jaurez any day, even when Med was in its heyday, and I was there then.

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panthdave says on Oct 17, 2009, 14:03:

Really what purpose would you want to be in Juarez anyways even even if it was the safest town in the world....

panthdave Miami

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dwmte7 says on Oct 17, 2009, 15:30:

good point dave. we used to get our wrought iron furnishings our of cuidad de juarez in the 80's and early 90's and i had been there years before then............it still hasn't changed. it's a dump.

patriarch

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utopiacowboy says on Oct 17, 2009, 19:48:

"Nuevo Laredo is hardly a safe place."

Nuevo Laredo is in MEXICO, not Texas. In spite of the rampant violence occurring in Cd Juarez, El Paso, TEXAS remains a very safe city.

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utopiacowboy says on Oct 17, 2009, 19:52:

My daughter works for a company that arranges study abroad. They have arrangements with universities in Santiago, DR; Buenos Aires, ARG; Guanajuato, MEX; Santiago, Chile; and San Jose, CR. All the parents and students think Costa Rica is the safest but she says EVERY single student who goes there is the victim of a robbery or theft. The safest? Guanajuato, Mexico. No student that they have sent has ever been the victim of a crime there. But such are the perceptions of the idiotic American public. Not unlike the idiocy of PBH.

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theflatline says on Oct 17, 2009, 22:04:

UTC,

Laredo and El Paso are two different animals and both are in the states.

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Robert Jorge says on Oct 17, 2009, 22:12:

Sergio Fajardo is a pretty cool guy. Here is a picture of us hanging out in Cartagena.

"You can not take the barrio out of the girl you really can't." Oneforamillion

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Robert Jorge says on Oct 17, 2009, 23:18:

Oh, he is the darker guy. jajajaja I am the dork with the rosy cheeks over pale skin, indicative of a drunk Irishman. I just didn't want there to be any confusion.

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dwmte7 says on Oct 18, 2009, 04:59:

if you're standing in el paso and lookin across the fence, it's like you're inside the pearly gates looking straight into hell. like two different planets....one, the streets are paved (with gold?) the other, not paved and plenty of shit around. what a pitiful setting. it's no damn wonder that folks on the south side of the fence want to come over to "heaven".

patriarch

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utopiacowboy says on Oct 18, 2009, 06:08:

I know perfectly well that Laredo is in Texas. And yes, Nuevo Laredo is violent as is Cd Juarez. Laredo, TEXAS is still relatively safe.

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dwmte7 says on Oct 18, 2009, 07:16:

you can be having a family barbecue in el paso in the back yard and be watching a knife fight over the fence in juarez.

patriarch

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Lisa Zee says on Oct 18, 2009, 10:44:

Robert J, nice picture with Fajardo. My brother in law worked for him, so I know first hand he is a very descent man.

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dwmte7 says on Oct 18, 2009, 12:22:

robert, how'ld you meet him?

patriarch

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Robert Jorge says on Oct 19, 2009, 17:29:

Douglas, we've been friends for a while. He heard I was in CTG, and he met me and Clavo for a beer.

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dwmte7 says on Oct 20, 2009, 06:00:

lucky stiffs. tell him to back and take over medallo again. it's hurting under present management. he can still make a run for the presidency while being the alcalde of medellin.

patriarch

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whitewidow says on Oct 20, 2009, 07:43:

i had lunch with sergio fajardo yesterday.

I'm no doper! I just play one on TV.

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dwmte7 says on Oct 20, 2009, 10:40:

ww........what are his plan to take over colombia?

patriarch

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Lisa Zee says on Oct 27, 2009, 10:57:

Here is a recent pic of Fajardo with my B in law and niece.

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oldsalty says on Nov 4, 2009, 21:30:

The way they dealt with the violence in Medellin was with a para-military group called "Los Pepes" They murdered anyone associated with the cartel and were being fed info (directly or not) by U.S. intelligence services. Calls would be monitored, the info would be passed to the Colombians and lo and behold some hitter, lawyer or relative would be tried, convicted and shot - in no particular order. Could it work in Mexico? Should it? Moral dalema (sp?)

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Lisa Zee says on Nov 4, 2009, 21:46:

That is new to me, I don`t think the U.S had anything to do with Los Pepes.

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