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On the PBH forum, a scientific analysis (!)

"This site is so negative!"

I've heard it mentioned more than once.

Well, let's see with a quantitative analysis. (If you ever wondered what high school teachers do during school holidays, well, now you know...)

A thematic analysis of the first page of the friendly talkzone of PBH, conducted at around 3.30pm Bogota time:

The most common type of post was that of a query for information, i.e. someone asking about some aspect of Colombia: (11)

Where to ATM (query)
Venezuelan Bolivars (query)
The tooth fairy (query)
Looking for gyms (query)
Spanish Classes for kids (query)
Business Contacts in Medellin (query)
Arriving in Colombia without visa (query)
Wire transfers to Colombia (query)
Gold prospecting in Colombia (query)
Colombian peso (query)
i want to know Medellin (query)
Canadians living in Bogota (query)

After that was "talk about the forum", i.e. introspective posts about the nature of the forum, its posts or its posters. (5)

What the hell? (talk about forum)
New learn Spanish forum (talk about forum)
I got an email from Peter (talk about forum)
Peter - request for... (talk about forum)
Simpsonize me (talk about forum)

Also there was "information", i.e. posts informing people about some aspect of Colombia: (5)

Iberia to Colombia (information)
Colombia parade in northern... (information)
Like to see the world... (information)
Fiesta tonight and tomorrow (information)
aniceto molina live in.... (information)

Then, "unclassified", posts that I could not classify into any theme or topic easily: (4)

Elmo say it aint so (?)
US government is watching you (?)
American Airlines AAAirpass (?)
How to knit a scarf... (?)

Then, there was "praise", i.e. posts that in some way portrayed some aspect of Colombia in a positive light: (3)

Barranquilla, my salvation (praise, dubious morality)
Colombia is moving forward (praise)
Thanks to all my friends (praise)

Of all the posts, I only saw one that could be seen (perhaps, by some people) to contain negative/offensive content:

Barranquilla, my salvation (praise, dubious morality)

So, is the PBH forum really a haven of negativity and debauchery?

Hardly - indeed, most of the content here is devoted to requesting or giving information - probably Peter's original motivation for creating the forum in the first place. It is not a forum gushing about how wonderful Colombia is (which would, in any case, get boring), but neither is it overtly negative or offensive. In terms of attitude towards Colombia, this forum is neutral.

The introduction page, however, implies that the forum is for budget travellers and/or expats with little money. While many who live and work in Colombia may not earn much money in real terms compared to the US or western Europe, in relative terms I would guess that most members here are significantly richer than the Colombian average (the simple fact of having internet access more or less proves this).

My amateurish analysis does have some pitfalls however:

* It is only of the "friendly talkzone", who knows what goes on in the other forae?
* It is only one time today, who knows what it was like yesterday or what it will be like tomorrow?
* Lots of objectionable posts get deleted quickly - this analysis didn't (couldn't) take this into account

And my conclusion?

I should get out more...

By Leeroy on Jul 30, 2007, 13:59 in Friendly Talkzone. AddThis Social Bookmark Button


Tinto (Moderator) says on Jul 30, 2007, 14:04:

You should get outside and work on a science project: "Do people with dubious morality have more fun?"

;-)

Chelesupercono says on Jul 30, 2007, 14:11:

Dude......you need to get out........get drunk.....get high......get laid......and then do a follow up report on this gibberish

never go to bed with someone crazier then you are, you will do it and you will regret it.......

Leeroy says on Jul 30, 2007, 14:23:

Last weekend was characterised, mainly, from a thematic viewpoint, by drunken debauchery. In fact, it included all three of the above criteria. I am not so hardcore, however, as to get drunk, high and laid at 3.30 on a Monday afternoon. Today is devoted to coffee, cigarettes and Gran Turismo. And conducting silly research here, of course.

gabolicious says on Jul 30, 2007, 14:28:

or maybe watching some soap operas, right? =D

"The new land of opportunities: Colombia!" ----- Mr Miguel_Clavo on PBH

Leeroy says on Jul 30, 2007, 14:29:

"Nuevo Rico, Nuevo Pobre" isn't on for another few hours yet gabo...

LA_MONA says on Jul 30, 2007, 14:34:

Leeroy! Que? Ay que celos que envidia!!!!! You are watching Nuevo Rico Nuevo Pobre?...

Say hello to my baby Mateo for me....ah que tuviera tus ojos jajajaja

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

gabolicious says on Jul 30, 2007, 14:35:

damn it... and "sin Tetas..." here in Mexico is on TV tomorrow night I think...

Last week I have seen some soap opera's characters in this site....

We have the hero, the antogonist(s)... the dude who is cool and is finding out something... that could be you... yeah! you could be that guy!!!

=D

Hope "nuevo Rico..." is on air in Mexico soon... so I can discuss with you about it... =D

"The new land of opportunities: Colombia!" ----- Mr Miguel_Clavo on PBH

gabolicious says on Jul 30, 2007, 14:36:

and BTW remember I am "GABO LEEROY" don't forget that ok?????

LOL

"The new land of opportunities: Colombia!" ----- Mr Miguel_Clavo on PBH

Leeroy says on Jul 30, 2007, 14:40:

Si mona - nuevo rico nuevo pobre es buenisima.

Personalmente, no me gusto tanto "sin tetas..." - aunque tiene un mensaje bastante profundo, de todos modos, no me gusto. No fue divertida. Es que...no se. Nuevo rico.. es tonta. Completamente tonta. Por eso me gusta.

And gabo - I'm not sure that this OP really qualifies me as "cool", through any stretch of the imagination!

I had noticed the "PBH=Telenovela" correlation, however...

LA_MONA says on Jul 30, 2007, 14:41:

Gabo Leeroy? jajaja

Yes there sure are some characters in here, the sugar daddy's, the studs, the nice guys you name it we got it on PBH...

Ah Gabo ok but don't tell me what happens at the end whatever you do, I need to be able to catch up to discuss it first...hey I think we are hijacking this post...

Mona

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

Leeroy says on Jul 30, 2007, 14:42:

"Don Gabo Leeroy de la Concepcion Inmaculada" would be your full title, I believe.

Leeroy says on Jul 30, 2007, 14:43:

If I had to choose a character for myself, I would be the apostrophe police.

Ahem...

"there sure are some characters in here, the sugar daddy's"...

LA_MONA says on Jul 30, 2007, 14:46:

Leeroy, estoy de acuerdo contigo, Sin tetas fue muy duro para mi gusto tambien..., a mi me gusta ver las telenovelas que hacen que uno pueda escapar la realidad para uno relajarse, reir y apagar el cerebro un rato jajaja

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

gabolicious says on Jul 30, 2007, 14:48:

LOL!!!!

Mona permiteme hacer una aclaración sobre la relación que el señor Leeroy y un servidor tenemos.... no es que yo sea el "señor Leeroy" no no no no no, es que descubrimos en otro post que él "leeroy francisco juan es mi padre"

but he refuses to accept it...

Vamos Leeroy, tienes razón este es un secreto entre La Monita linda tu y yo bueno? cuando leí el final de "sin tetas..." se me rozaron un poquitico los ojos... solo un poquitico porque los hombres, los meros machos (como se dice en Mexico) no lloran!!!!

"sin Tetas..." es muy triste pero es el unico nexo que tengo con Colombia ahora... ademas de este sitio claro...

"The new land of opportunities: Colombia!" ----- Mr Miguel_Clavo on PBH

LA_MONA says on Jul 30, 2007, 14:48:

Oooops! Ok fine you have got your work cut out for you on here....

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

Leeroy says on Jul 30, 2007, 14:48:

Exactly!

Leeroy says on Jul 30, 2007, 14:49:

As in, exactly about "Sin tetas".

Well, about the apostrophes too...

Gabo - you cried? You're no son of mine...

LA_MONA says on Jul 30, 2007, 14:51:

Ahem Ahem....I am going to be careful now that the apostrophe police are about....

Pero Gabo...muy facil...te pareces a Don Leeroy Francisco Juan? Porque sabes que todo hijo negado es identico al padre jajaja

Cuando vi el final y el mensaje de Sin Tetas...yo si llore un poquito pero es porque yo si puedo....jajaja mentiras yo he visto hombres llorar a moco tendido Gabo...

Mona

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

gabolicious says on Jul 30, 2007, 14:52:

The truth is that I have not seen "Bety la fea" yet... I am trying to buy it, i think a friend of mine has it, but I have seen some scenes and it is really funny!!!

"The new land of opportunities: Colombia!" ----- Mr Miguel_Clavo on PBH

LA_MONA says on Jul 30, 2007, 14:55:

OMG you have to! That is a crime! If you have seen Pedrito I'll forgive you...(Pedro El Escamoso)...

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

LA_MONA says on Jul 30, 2007, 14:55:

OMG you have to! That is a crime! If you have seen Pedrito I'll forgive you...(Pedro El Escamoso)...

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

Leeroy says on Jul 30, 2007, 14:56:

I've never seen it. Well, any of the various versions that abound.

The idea of an ugly female protagonist in a novela doesn't sit well with me.

Maybe you can download it from bittorrent or something.

LA_MONA says on Jul 30, 2007, 14:57:

She isn't really ugly she is pretty ......you know....no hay mujer fea sino mal arreglada

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

gabolicious says on Jul 30, 2007, 14:58:

Monita forgive me... please.... I have not.... but I promise you that I'll do it... but I have seen "la pelota de letras" that counts? it is not a soap opera though.... =D

"The new land of opportunities: Colombia!" ----- Mr Miguel_Clavo on PBH

Leeroy says on Jul 30, 2007, 14:59:

Is the idea that she has bad hair, glasses and braces - but underneath it all she's really Danna Garcia? I think that formula may have been done before...

gabolicious says on Jul 30, 2007, 15:01:

yeah it may have been done before but I doubt with such success as "bety..."

I think this was a breakthrough soap opera in Latinamerica... and colombian of course jajajajajaja ;)

"The new land of opportunities: Colombia!" ----- Mr Miguel_Clavo on PBH

LA_MONA says on Jul 30, 2007, 15:01:

Gabo...Hmmmm Ill think about forgiving you...I'll give you 2 weeks to get your hands on it...ok?

Have you seen the second part of LPSL? It's called "Me Pido La Ventana" by the same Andres Lopez...no wait, I think I know the answer to that question jajaja you probably haven't

Hey Leeroy you have got some serious catching up to do..

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

Leeroy says on Jul 30, 2007, 15:02:

Wasn't the original Argentinian? Or am I thinking "rebelde" or something like that...

gabolicious says on Jul 30, 2007, 15:04:

"no hay mujer fea sino mal arreglada" just like Sandra B in "miss Congeniality" she looks really hot!!!

"The new land of opportunities: Colombia!" ----- Mr Miguel_Clavo on PBH

LA_MONA says on Jul 30, 2007, 15:04:

Noooo como se te ocurre? The original was from Colombia..and it was a worldwide hit, people in Russia were watching it,....

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

LA_MONA says on Jul 30, 2007, 15:05:

Gabo no but that's cheating, Sandra Bullock could wear a sack and look hot!

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

gabolicious says on Jul 30, 2007, 15:07:

Father Leeroy you are WRONG!!! the original is Colombian!!!!

mmmm monita si usted de por sí es muy bonita, ya me imagino cuando se arregla... seguramente se ve mas preciosa!!!! (con todo respeto, no se ponga brava)

"The new land of opportunities: Colombia!" ----- Mr Miguel_Clavo on PBH

Leeroy says on Jul 30, 2007, 15:09:

I think the ideal of "ugly girl becoming pretty" has a fairly universal appeal, as it appeals to the 95% of women who fear that they are not attractive enough (there are, I am sure, equivalents that relate to masculine insecurities - I always suspected that He-man's weapon growing several inches whenever he was supposed to defeat baddies had some kind of subtle message to it)

Do latin countries have "The Ugly Duckling" story?

Leeroy says on Jul 30, 2007, 15:10:

OK guys chill! It's Colombian! Man, it's a good job Simon isn't here now - he'd be furious :)

LA_MONA says on Jul 30, 2007, 15:18:

jajajaja

Gabo muchisimas gracias es usted muy amable...

Leeroy of course you are right....women everywhere could relate to that story!

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

gabolicious says on Jul 30, 2007, 15:18:

LOL Leeroy.. yeah! we have "the ugly duckling" story....

It is universal: the beast with the beauty underneath... or all the way around: the beauty with the beast underneath .... "The picture of Dorian Gray"... mmmm interesting....

i thought that too about He-man's super weapon... manly thing I suppose....

Seriously leeroy would you ever date a girl with the appearance like Bety's?

"The new land of opportunities: Colombia!" ----- Mr Miguel_Clavo on PBH

LA_MONA says on Jul 30, 2007, 15:29:

Goodnight gentleman, you can discuss these topics without me to listen in....jajaja

Que descansen

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

Leeroy says on Jul 30, 2007, 15:37:

like bety? glasses, braces and all?

No.

Peter (Moderator) says on Jul 30, 2007, 20:52:

Thanks for that analysis! With all the crazyness here the last few weeks, that was a good reminder!

Poor but snappy

Man Tequila says on Jul 30, 2007, 21:43:

You're basing an analysis on one lousy page? I'm sure your right, but really you should look at ten pages or more to be sure ;)

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

Peter (Moderator) says on Jul 30, 2007, 22:59:

Well, he *did* mention that in the pitfalls :)

Poor but snappy

Man Tequila says on Jul 30, 2007, 23:05:

True enough. He should probably get out more too.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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A few Bogota photos: 23

Some jokes about Colombia you've probably never heard: 0

Mar Azul & San Luis hotels in San Andres 4

Happy love stories 30

Being safe but not paranoid 56

Where should I go? 5

On foreigners and integration 108

A question for those married with kids here... 39

Metro in Bogota 7

Anglicised names 52

The politics of usted 54

To all those who sent photos to the PBH photo contest: 6

What is unique to Colombia? 41

Post your photos of Colombia! 34

A PBH photo contest: 120

So, do you people know each other? 290

Trust #2 11

Lessons from nuevo rico, nuevo pobre 7

The joy of the telenovela 48


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