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Oliver Stone in Colombia

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071230/ap_on_en_mo/colomba_hostages_stone

Among his pearls of wisdom, "I have no illusions about the FARC, but it looks like they are a peasant army fighting for a decent living," and 'When asked if he's concerned the heavily armed guerrillas could turn on him, he joked: "Well, if they took us, they would be swapping three hostages for 10," referring to himself and observers from five Latin America countries, France and Switzerland, along to supervise the release. "If I were them, that would make sense. But seriously, no, I'm not worried. The FARC knows there would be universal condemnation if they did that,"'

By tomtom33 on Dec 30, 2007, 12:32 in Friendly Talkzone.

catherine b says on Dec 30, 2007, 13:16:

"The FARC knows there would be universal condemnation if they did that,"'
LOL

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rocinante says on Dec 30, 2007, 14:30:

Oliver Stone sounds pretty clued up if you read the whole thing.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

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bartolo_colon says on Dec 30, 2007, 14:33:

seriously, I would punch this fucker in the face, instantly no questions asked no hesitation. "it looks like they are a peasant army" oh, thats news, enlighten me, is there an army of the affluent any place on the planet? what a jack ass

Hey, careful, man, there's a beverage here!

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tomtom33 says on Dec 30, 2007, 14:38:

Any "mutual admirer" of Hugo, in my book, has no clue.

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rocinante says on Dec 30, 2007, 14:51:

Hugo gor President! Wait, uh... never mind. I still have bronchitis. Coughing up yellow stuff - still contagious.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

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rocinante says on Dec 30, 2007, 14:57:

Bartolo I would venture to guess that Stone is comparing a governement army like the US Army to the FARC army. Like most in this world Stone doesn't really know much about the conflict and the players. Many are dumfounded to find out the billions have been spent and much effort has been wasted trying to wipe out out an army of peasants for 40 years. Then when someone finally sees the FARC camps they say, "These guys? These guys can't be stopped? These guys are causing all this trouble?"

It's like the rabbit on Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

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diabloblas says on Dec 30, 2007, 15:29:

bartolo_colon says on Sunday December 30th, 2007 14:33:

seriously, I would punch this fucker in the face, instantly no questions asked no hesitation. "it looks like they are a peasant army" oh, thats news, enlighten me, is there an army of the affluent any place on the planet? what a jack ass

....what a jerk!

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bartolo_colon says on Dec 30, 2007, 16:07:

the U.S. army is an army of "peasants". poor kids from all over the country make up the enlisted ranks, a long time ago one of them was me. oliver stone is a vietnam vet, he should know a little bit about fighting peasants. He is a humungous idiot hollywood delusional ass for making such absurd statements. "what a jerk"? I stand by my statement, I would knock the fucker out.

Hey, careful, man, there's a beverage here!

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tomtom33 says on Dec 30, 2007, 16:17:

During Viet Nam we had a draft. Some got 4 years of 2-S. Then we went also. It was everyone regardless of wealth in those days.

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bartolo_colon says on Dec 30, 2007, 16:31:

mr.stone enlisted, the draft has nothing to do with anything. he has no business down here. this is a moot point.

Hey, careful, man, there's a beverage here!

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tomtom33 says on Dec 30, 2007, 16:35:

I enlisted also. It was either that or get drafted.

But I agree that Oliver has no business here.

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bartolo_colon says on Dec 30, 2007, 16:37:

nice pic by the way tomtom, looks like good times......

Hey, careful, man, there's a beverage here!

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tomtom33 says on Dec 30, 2007, 16:40:

Apparently my new pic came up. I still see the old one.

Those are three of my very best friends. I love Colombia.

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bartolo_colon says on Dec 30, 2007, 16:48:

thanks GIB. fool is the word....he has no idea the profound effect these "peasants" have had and continue to have on this country.

Hey, careful, man, there's a beverage here!

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MitchAlvarez says on Dec 30, 2007, 16:59:

i hope they keep mr. stone lol

"Ingrid callate la jeta!! Stay in France"

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diabloblas says on Dec 30, 2007, 18:10:

tomtom...my greetings letter came from lbj...& the rich got deferments & the draft was for 2 years...army & marines...mostly only the poor & stupid got drafted & couldn't beat it with doctors, school, canada

bartolo...you are one tough mf...but i think it's only on the computer

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bartolo_colon says on Dec 31, 2007, 01:27:

lol, its all good diablo. actually kind of a pussy on the computer, kind of scary in real life. i normaly dont give a damn, but mr. stone needs to fuck off back to hollywood. he is havin him self a nice little publicity stunt to promote his next movie, mean while this is real life. hard hard tragic stuff going on every day.

Hey, careful, man, there's a beverage here!

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tomtom33 says on Dec 31, 2007, 02:13:

Guess I'm just stupid then. I used 4 years of 2-S and didn't want to go to Canada.

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Brians says on Dec 31, 2007, 05:28:

Oliver Stone is probably safer in Colombia than in the US. There is no way Chavez or FARC want anything but a good impression left on this idiot. I agree with GIB I would love see him taken for about 6 months and then make his movie.

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catherine b says on Dec 31, 2007, 16:40:

"Stone has been forbidden to leave his hotel room on the grounds that it would expose him to the risk of being taken hostage himself - Villavicencio is riven with drug gangs and rightwing death squads. "This release could be a new start, a break in the ice. The important thing is that we build momentum so everyone can be released," Stone said."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/venezuela/story/0,,2233859,00.html

LOL. So much for Ollie's Big Adventure with the Farc.

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Robert Jorge says on Dec 31, 2007, 17:00:

Jajajajajaja, it is statistically one of the more dangerous cities in Colombia. But "riven with rightwing death squads?" Jajajajaja If that were true, there would be a lot less street crime.

I wonder what hotel they put Stone up in. My guess is the Don Lolo. 2 blocks from Aguapanela's.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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goin_south says on Dec 31, 2007, 17:10:

"but it looks like they are a peasant army fighting for a decent living. And here, if you fight, you fight to win."

.... jajjj.. I've never heard anyone,
not anyone on pbh give quite such a description of las Farc....
Fighting for a decent living??
Ho-Ho-Ho-Ho-Ho-Ho-Ho.....!!!!! Hollywoooooooood!

Hey Rob, so you're gonna open a B & B in a city 'riven with right wing death squads'?
Now, you and kat1 have led me to believe this was God's Country! jaj
Not to worry... I'm believin you guys, not mr stone.

'what does it mean, when one of you (colombians) tell another: YOU WERE NOT/ARE NOT. 'COLOMBIAN ENOUGH'?? jejeje..a mixture, I think, of stupidity mixed with a false sense of arrogance.. How 'colombian' do you have to be? to be 'colombian enough

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Robert Jorge says on Dec 31, 2007, 17:17:

Well GS, I'll have to pay off the rightwing deathsquads to take care of the rampant drug gangs that I ran into on a daily basis when I lived there.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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Robert Jorge says on Dec 31, 2007, 17:23:

Wow, people fight to win? I am astounded. Of course living in Beverly Hills, working in Hollywierd, I can see how "fighting to win" becomes a foggy concept.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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catherine b says on Dec 31, 2007, 17:25:

Seriously you guys, can you just imagine it? Here comes Oliver with his cameras into the "jungles" of Colombia to capture the release of the three hostages and he ends up instead in some hotel room just staring at 4 walls throughout his stay and does'nt get to see any "action". lol

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Robert Jorge says on Dec 31, 2007, 17:27:

It is hilarious CathyB. Except, there aren't any jungles in Villavo. If he is smart, he'll walk the 1/2 mile or so to 7 de Agosto barrio and party tonight. No drug gangs or paras between the Don Lolo and zona rosa. Just a big hospital, a few fields and a nice neighborhood.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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Robert Jorge says on Dec 31, 2007, 17:28:

I would love to be in his shoes tonight. The wife has an attitude, and looks like I am stuck getting drunk alone tonight. Happy New Years!!!

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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john_stark says on Dec 31, 2007, 17:32:

Attitude? What? Get her plastered and you'll both have a good time later. That's my plan but then that's always my plan.

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catherine b says on Dec 31, 2007, 17:36:

That's what I meant. He probably thought he was actually going into the jungle. You know the image that many foreigners who've never visited Colombia have of the country simply by certain Hollywood movies that often misrepresent it.

Haz las paces con tu mujer, hombre!
Happy New Year!

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goin_south says on Dec 31, 2007, 17:37:

Explain to her.... with whips and chains and ron:
2008... Year of the Cat!
Si, john?

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Robert Jorge says on Dec 31, 2007, 17:40:

I gotcha CathyB. I saw the quotation marks. (Actually, the side of the mountain facing south towards Villavo is pretty jungly)

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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goin_south says on Dec 31, 2007, 17:40:

I think we get a lil jealous of the Don Quixote Attitude of Hollywood, that we perceive...
But, I imagine Stone knew reality ahead of time....
But, his words would be different... It's......HOLLYWOOD!
He's got to glamourize....even though he knows reality, I'd think.

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Robert Jorge says on Dec 31, 2007, 17:41:

It'll be a thread hijacker, but give me about 5 minutes, and I'll come back and explain my sob story.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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john_stark says on Dec 31, 2007, 17:43:

We gotta hear this.

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goin_south says on Dec 31, 2007, 17:44:

I don't think Mr Stone or Tomtom will mind, tonight... rob, so....
Bring out the guns,
Hold-up the thread.
Fly it..... your way!

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catherine b says on Dec 31, 2007, 17:45:

It's New Years Eve, Robert, I still think you should make peace with you wife. Bickering is no way to welcome 2008. Maybe you should both get drunk.

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goin_south says on Dec 31, 2007, 17:46:

Should I start drinkin about now?

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goin_south says on Dec 31, 2007, 17:47:

I'll be proud of ya, if you follow all of the forth-coming advice from j_s...
about how to solve the current event tonight... jjejje

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Robert Jorge says on Dec 31, 2007, 17:53:

So I was almost ready to clock out at work today at 2pm. The Mrs. calls me and asks if we can go to the Hilton for the New Year's Eve buffet and party. I get home, call - they are booked. I call two other similar places, same story. She is disappointed. She then gets on the horn with her friend, and then asks me if she can go out with her friends to a house party, without me. Obviously, I wasn't too pleased and we got into an argument. Her point is she didn't want to stay at home tonight (I didn't have any intention of that to begin with). And my argument was "what the hell are you thinking?" "Our first New Years together, and since we can't get into a $300 party that you didn't even know about until your friend suggested it; you now want to abandon me and ring in the New Year with other people." How do you say "Fuck you" in Spanish?

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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catherine b says on Dec 31, 2007, 17:57:

Joder! Not cool Robert. Aww man. Maybe you can still salvage the evening? If you can't go out to some cool place together, I still don't see why you can't have a wonderful and romantic New Years Eve.

Tell your wife "que se deje de tanta pendejada!"
No, on second thought, don't say that. Peace, Love, Peace!

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john_stark says on Dec 31, 2007, 17:57:

WTF????????? Without you? I'd ask her, who did you plan on smooching when the midnight hour came? You need to explain to her that all those New Year's shindigs are booked by now - they're not spur of the moment things.

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Robert Jorge says on Dec 31, 2007, 18:01:

Oh, I did tell her that (about being booked). Of course that was my fault. I should have planned and made reservations. I then told her I didn't, because I don't have that kind of money to shell out this year. (Mostly, due to my change in lifestyle ie: being married and losing my job)

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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slguy says on Dec 31, 2007, 18:02:

Just between the two of us RJ, I'd be highly pissed, too, if I was you.

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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Robert Jorge says on Dec 31, 2007, 18:03:

I am livid.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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john_stark says on Dec 31, 2007, 18:05:

She needs to be tied to a bedpost and taught the full meaning of spousal devotion hehehehe.

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Robert Jorge says on Dec 31, 2007, 18:10:

I am trying to laugh - appreciate the gesture JS, I just can't get out of my funk right now.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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gringoloid says on Dec 31, 2007, 18:11:

Queen Kong just walked through the front door and it's now time to begin the festivities........happy new year!

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goin_south says on Dec 31, 2007, 18:11:

"..without you...?"

I'd tell her she could also get on the next fkn plane for Bogota in the morning.
Well, that would be my first inclination...
I'm sure js has better recomendacciones.

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billyb says on Dec 31, 2007, 18:11:

I have to agree with JS on this one.

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goin_south says on Dec 31, 2007, 18:14:

whips and chains, en el posicione del gato, si... en cama!
Oh, of course... give her something to drink...
here, kitti, kitti!
'bout time for Catgirl to tune in to this one.

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john_stark says on Dec 31, 2007, 18:16:

I'd slip her a mickey. In the morning she could wonder why her asshole hurts.

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Robert Jorge says on Dec 31, 2007, 18:18:

Now if I was in Villavo, I wouldn't be so triste. She could go out, and then I would take a 3mil peso taxi ride to the "Sex Appeal" Whiskeria to help drown my sorrows. After some professional help, I would go to Aguapanela's and look for amateurs.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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Robert Jorge says on Dec 31, 2007, 18:19:

OK, you got me to smile on that one JS. Where's that scopalmine (sp?) when you need it?

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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Robert Jorge says on Dec 31, 2007, 18:20:

I guess I'll go upstairs and see what's up. Talk to you guys later.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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Robert Jorge says on Dec 31, 2007, 18:22:

Ah, now she is playing hardball. She is asleep. Which means, she can say she gave in to me, but I am Foqued if I go out and do something a little later. Man women are good at games.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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goin_south says on Dec 31, 2007, 18:26:

what??? no fire works over there?
She couldn't sleep through the rocks and cannons being fired here, already...

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john_stark says on Dec 31, 2007, 18:32:

Asleep? It's perfect. Where's the duct tape? Where's the KY?

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goin_south says on Dec 31, 2007, 18:44:

jus another way of helping her to 'RING' in the new year

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Robert Jorge says on Dec 31, 2007, 18:47:

I just went upstairs to try and make peace. Let's just say this is going to be a long night.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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goin_south says on Dec 31, 2007, 18:48:

20 minutes passin...
I think I hear someone screaming from the beach

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john_stark says on Dec 31, 2007, 18:48:

That's George Bush's Office of Drug Policy Director showing everyone how to say "No" to crack.

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goin_south says on Dec 31, 2007, 18:52:

a long night.. yeah, 3 more fkn hours of gettn shell shocked
is there a football game on tonight?

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billyb says on Dec 31, 2007, 19:10:

What an ignorant prick this guy is.

"Shame on Colombia, shame on Uribe," Oliver Stone, the American filmmaker, told The Associated Press shortly before boarding one of three Venezuelan jets carrying the observers back to Caracas. Stone, who was invited by Chavez to document the handover, added "the FARC have no motive not to release these hostages."

Why was he ever let in the country in the first place?

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goin_south says on Dec 31, 2007, 19:15:

did this finally happen today?
So... they can ad the Fireworks to the documentary?

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catherine b says on Dec 31, 2007, 19:16:

What a f***ing a$$hole!!!
Shame on you Oliver Stone for attempting to exploit a nation's tragedy for your own narcissistic purposes! Poor little Ollie...he was robbed of his Acedemy Award winning documentary. F***ing loser!

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g4KHTkP2iDNsZIPq48q97-4SvKOQD8TSPLD...

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goin_south says on Dec 31, 2007, 19:16:

"the FARC have no motive not to release these hostages."
Wow!!!! but, aren't we all dumb? ja

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eywed says on Dec 31, 2007, 19:17:

Wow RJ your giving me flash backs of the ex-wife. Sorry bro.

Ay Hombe!!!!!

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joshhyman says on Dec 31, 2007, 19:24:

I am totally stunned by Mr. Stone. I had no idea he was such an a-hole. I really loved the movie JFK. I guess that just goes to show you that someone can be good at his work but totally wrong in his political views. What does he have to gain by backing Chavez? Is he highly invested in Venezuelan government bonds? Can he really be defending the FARC? As an American I am ashamed of him. He is making a fool of himself. I wish he would just leave and never return. To all Colombian citizens: I apologize for the ignorance that has fallen out of his mouth. I feel your pain. It is paramount to a famous American supporting the Nazi's during WWII. How would he feel if an American group of rebels started a war against the American government and kidnapped his own son or wife. Can he really think the FARC cares about equity? Jesus Christ!?!

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goin_south says on Dec 31, 2007, 19:25:

The U.S.-allied Uribe has used some $600 million in annual military and intelligence aid from Washington to push the half-century-old insurgency deeper into the jungle.

To Uribe...
To RJ.....
Keep Pushin...

jej... roberto.. I'm not worried;
you'll work it out

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goin_south says on Dec 31, 2007, 19:27:

Ipdiver was right... tony said... IT'LL NEVER HAPPEN. QUIT HOPING.

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goin_south says on Dec 31, 2007, 19:28:

Josh...
it's the best of:
liberals and media (hollywood) slimin around together
stone and chavez

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Robert Jorge says on Dec 31, 2007, 19:41:

Thanks for the vote of confidence GS. But I don't know. I tried to talk to her and she went bezerk. Rapid fire Spanish ... I didn't understand most of it. I know the words mierda and puta and idiota were used constantly. I just sat there and let her yell. I finally had to get out of the house for a few minutes. When she saw me suiting up, she went ballistic again and acted like she was going to leave. I was gone for 20 minutes ... just needed to collect my thoughts. She is still here. I heard something upstairs and the dog is with me. Before I left I put the guns up and out of reach ... just in case. And it is hopefully a hint to her how irrational I think she is acting.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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eywed says on Dec 31, 2007, 19:51:

RJ, she having stress of being out of Colombia away from Family?

Ay Hombe!!!!!

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goin_south says on Dec 31, 2007, 19:52:

yep.. to get back to reality..
I was goin_to say ... she's young, and it's her first NY away

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slguy says on Dec 31, 2007, 19:59:

That passive-aggressive crap latinas are sooo good at makes me crazy. btw- you did the right thing, RJ, talking a walk. It's what I always did in lieu of saying tons of crap I'd regret later. ;)

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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Robert Jorge says on Dec 31, 2007, 20:39:

Sausage, I have no idea what your point was.

GS and Eywed, I am sure that has a lot to do with it.

Thanks slguy. So far, I haven't fallen into that trap. (saying things I'll regret later) What is wierd, is something very similar to this evening, happened the same night 1999 / 2000. That was the nail in the coffin for my at the time fiance and me. And to this day, I have no idea what the hell happened. I occasionally talk to that ex, we are good friends these 8 years later, but she was never able to tell me what happened. That night, I came home from work, all in a good mood to celebrate, and she just started fighting with me. She ended up hysterical, took off, and didn't come home until 7am the next day. By the way, she is as gringa as you get, so it is definitely not a Latina thing. Boy, I guess I know how to pick them.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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goin_south says on Dec 31, 2007, 20:39:

but, slguy... it's sooooo much the better than aggressive-aggressive.... if there has to be a choice ;-)

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slguy says on Dec 31, 2007, 21:04:

Now that I think about it, RJ- I'm guessing was just another culture thing. She prolly didn't realize that here, all doors are not always open- especially on New Years. She was pissed about that, and it just went downhill from there. Frustration on her part, I bet.

Hand in there, pal. She'll come around.

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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Robert Jorge says on Dec 31, 2007, 21:27:

By the way, happy new year everybody.

I can't listen to why she is upset. She hasn't been able to articulate that yet. She has to say something before I can listen. As is apparently typical (sorry gals, no offense intended), I will have to 'best guess' what is going on up in her brain.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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goin_south says on Dec 31, 2007, 21:33:

Acuerdo! El Feliz Viene muy temprano en la manana, RJ!

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goin_south says on Jan 1, 2008, 00:28:

So, eh... rob.. como viajare.. con el duct tape y KY???? jejjej

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slguy says on Jan 1, 2008, 07:20:

jajjajjjjajjaja

"I will have to 'best guess' what is going on up in her brain"

Isn't THAT the damned truth! And they say WE'RE the ones who don't communicate! We want a beer, we say so. We want to get laid, we say so. What we fail at, miserably, is mind reading.

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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Medellin Traveler says on Jan 1, 2008, 08:37:

What a JACKASS!

"Shame on Colombia, shame on Uribe," Oliver Stone, the American filmmaker, told The Associated Press shortly before boarding one of three Venezuelan jets carrying the observers back to Caracas. Stone, who was invited by Chavez to document the handover, added "the FARC have no motive not to release these hostages." - Oliver Stone

Full Article -> http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2007-12-31-colombia-hostages_N.htm

La cuidad de la primavera, estoy feliz porque te vuelvo a ver - www.medellintraveler.com

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slguy says on Jan 1, 2008, 08:41:

I for one have paid my last nickel to see one of his films....

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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goin_south says on Jan 1, 2008, 19:06:

RJ... we're waiting.

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Simon says on Jan 2, 2008, 11:47:

FOK YOU OLIVER STONE!!!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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Simon says on Jan 2, 2008, 11:48:

FOK YOU OLIVER STONE!!!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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ColombianoGringo says on Jan 2, 2008, 11:49:

Yeah. I would gladly trade that piece of shit for any one of the farc hostages.

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