Obtaining K1 for Fiancee and 5 yr son.

deathnova says on Jul 16, 2008, 19:31:

You'll need to get that signature and might end up having to pay him off. That is the only way.

Other than that the process is the same as a normal K-1, you just name the kid on the I-129F and the kid comes with assuming he has the permission slip from daddy.

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Robert Jorge says on Jul 16, 2008, 21:57:

The above post is extreme, but he has a point. Another idea is to find a notary that will take a bribe to falsify a paper that has the father's forged signature. That might be a little easier to handle, rather than living with the thought that you had somebody snuffed out.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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El Vato Loco says on Jul 17, 2008, 00:57:

Yes it is extreme... but sadly it is very much the reality. Violence is used in third world countries to solve many problems (and by the U.S. to solve them, just in other countries... Iraq, Afghanistan, Grenada, Guatemala, Panama... lots of U.S. backed deathsquads have taken care of problems for the U.S. so... as far as violence being extreme... it's sadly the general order of things). Though this is an individual example... but for a truly worthy purpose -- moreso than most political reasons.

But the bribing of an official is probably the best bet and non-violent. Also... why not get this jerk thrown in jail? He's using drugs, how is he paying for it? He must be breaking some laws... get him in with the police and have the signature be part of the deal for him to "get out of jail" or live in jail with some basics. Pues la vida no es facil... hopefully you will only have to deal with this jerk once -- and if the kid wants to see him in the future after he's 18, that's up to him, especially if you adopt the kid.

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lpdiver says on Jul 17, 2008, 03:38:

You guys crack me up,

You are not from there and are going down to hire a hit man because they are cheap and easily obtained (says you). Well he is a dead beat drug user and you never suppose that he could out do you?

Get his asking price to sign and then low ball him with threats of physical violence. What fifth grade mentality! You don't suppose your casual sicaro aquaintance is going to approach him and say, " Dude you got some gringo wants to whack you, want to pay a little more and have him wacked? Hmmm?"

Or here is another gem, Hey lets forge his signature! Yeah, real intelligent! Then try and return to Colombia and leave again. Internation kidnapper thats a resume builder for sure!

ts

"cook some rice!"

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El Vato Loco says on Jul 17, 2008, 05:18:

Lpdiver, Gringos tend to have more money than Mexicans and Colombians... of course that depends on how high on the take they are in the drug trade.

Plus, once in the U.S. you don't go back and take the kid to visit while the dad is alive. (at least that would be my plan... you'd have to go through a land checkpoint or some other way if the computers aren't too sophisticated).

There's a saying in Mexico... "Muerto el perro se acaba la rabia".

And I was in a situation in Mexico a few years back... a jealous and violent ex husband of my then girlfriend sent 3 guys out to "teach me a lesson" when he learned from his son that his ex wife (marriage had been over for more than 4 years) was seeing someone. The ex was very abusive to her and to the kid while they were together. He was an occasional drug user and his family had money but they cut him off mostly because of his drug use. She still let him see the kid because she felt that he had a "right" to see him... even though she had full "Patria Potestad" and he had none... meaning she had full parental rights and he had 0. Well, I didn't agree with her but hey, that's part of why we aren't together anymore... (and why I won't date chicas with violent ex's or ex's living too close for comfort or ex's with drug problems unless they just smoke weed and are mellowed out...)

Fortunately I was able to talk with the thugs (my Spanish is very good) and negotiated to pay those guys more than what he was paying them, plus I pleaded my case as to why he deserved his ass whopped more than me while holding a very sharp military knife that I carried around for protection and still do when I am in Mexico. He (the ex) wound up nicely banged up in the hospital that same night with two broken legs, some injured ribs and a concussion and he lived and didn't say a word about who attacked him (he had ordered the hit first, it just backfired ;) Granted I didn't stick around for "round two" - I paid the men, thanked them and left town that night/morning packing my stuff in my truck and split to the neighboring state. But later I heard from my ex that he was never the same (his mobility was permanently affected - he can walk but with a gimpy limp - and he has since left her the heck alone as far as I know, I lost touch with her in 2006).

Do I feel bad about that... HELL NO! Would I feel bad if he had been killed... Let me think... F'n NO! The F'er had it in for me and I had never done anything against him -- I treated his son great and told his son that hopefully one day his dad would be there for him (in my bleeding heart bliss before I found out what this guy was like early on in my relationship with the kid's mom).

I was just lucky I made it to my truck and got my knife before the three dudes caught up to me and that I had the nerve to fight back. They didn't have guns, they thought I was an easy mark, a "pinche gringo" Peace Corps worker type who doesn't know how to fight dirty (I was doing volunteer work in that region of Mexico when I met that girlfriend -- and I do volunteer work with disabled children and their families, my training is in social work, but I also have some street training from my youth and a deep hatred of people who abuse kids, especially when the kids are disabled and yes, my then girlfriend's son had a developmental disability - great, sweet kid).

I may look like a "pinche gringo" but I grew up in a poorer neighborhood and though I would have lost a 3 on 1 "fair" fight, I didn't fight fair. I fought with the knife I had and a handful of dirt I had in the other hand and I was wearing boots. I would have slashed at least one of their jugulars in the process and severely injured at least one of the other two. If they had had guns, pues me chingaron... but they didn't... they had 1 tire iron between the three (idea that two hold ya and one guy works you over with the tire iron). They weren't able to get close enough to me and their own hides were worth more to them than whatever the guy was paying them. I spoke, got them to listen to me and what I was doing in Mexico and what that a-hole did to his kid. I also showed some "mean green" billetes verdes I had in my pocket that I always carry when I drive for bribes to the police, but I never laid my knife down.

They agreed to do it, we agreed on a price, I paid half up front throwing a Franklin on the ground and still holding my knife and they told me he was waiting for them nearby to pay them. We just walked very quickly over to where the guy was waiting for the "resultados" (about 2 blocks away) and I watched from a short distance as they beat him. I paid them the other half when the deed was done by dropping the other Franklin on the ground and backed away with my knife in my hand and thanked them. They said "Gracias, ya vamonos" and ran off.

It was definitely not one of my proudest moments, but I think it was the best $200 USD I have ever spent in Mexico. It was very gratifying to watch a man who abused his own disabled child and his ex-wife and who tried to have me beaten up over what boils down to expressing love get some "instant therapy" of his own. I know I have Latino blood flowing through my veins and I could sure become one sickening Caro Quintero (an Early Mexican equiv to Pablo Escobar) myself. I'm glad I didn't go that direction growing up, because it was sure common enough in the neighborhoods where I lived - drugs, gangs, etc... Instead I became a social worker...go figure, huh?

And no, I haven't gone back to that town and I don't ever plan on going back there. I'm just going to live my life and try to avoid this kind of trouble in the future. I just won't date any chica who has violent ex issues -- my heart goes out to them, but I'm not taking any bullets for love. There are too many other chicas out there :)

But I still think that when you MUST deal with this type of person you only deal with them ONCE.. make it definitive. You can go by means of carrot (bribe the guy / pay him off) or the stick (have him whacked). Which one is more effective? I'm way too pragmatic... I'd go the stick everytime as long as you keep things anonymous and make it happen fast and never go back to the city of the crime... I haven't lost a night's sleep over this except that night as I was packing my stuff up and getting out of Dodge... I sure was wide awake driving on the road that night/morning.

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lpdiver says on Jul 17, 2008, 05:31:

SO you going to take your wife away from her home, country, family, forever. Yeah, that will make giant stride towards a happy, lasting, harmonious, matrimony. Good luck on your second anniversary!

ts

"cook some rice!"

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Gator says on Jul 17, 2008, 06:13:

Like you, Sr. Diver, I am ROTFLMAO. No "Permission to Travel"letter signed by him the boy will not be allowed to leave.

"Brevior Sltare Cum Deformibus Mulieribus Est Vita!" .

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ColombianoGringo says on Jul 17, 2008, 09:05:

"See how much he wants in $$$ to sign the document and then have someone inform him about the going rates for having his legs broken repeatedly! If he's smart he'll bring his price down to something reasonable. Si no, pues ya tu sabes..."

That's the dumbest advice ever. If he were to threaten someone with having them hurt, that shit would turn around on him in a heartbeat. Besides, if he goes looking for a sicario, he'll more likely end up beaten up, robbed and naked in an alley. That's if he gets lucky.

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Mononoke28 says on Jul 17, 2008, 09:12:

Getting a K1 visa for your fiancée and a K2 visa for her son will be cake as long as you have everything in order and can prove you have a legit relationship.

The only problem you will have is getting permission from the father of the child to leave Colombia. Your fiancée will have to go with him to a notaría and sign this permission slip. It can't be more than 30 days or the DAS won't let the child leave the country no matter how much of a deadbeat his dad is. Also, keep in mind that a new permission document will be needed every time the child travels to Colombia and comes back to the US.

Diana

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lpdiver says on Jul 17, 2008, 09:26:

Also there are three sides to every story. His, hers and the truth. I'd sure hate to think anyone would be listening to anything my ex had to say about me. Oh what the heck...she says he is an evil bastard...lets hire a hit man and assignate him!

You go dude!

ts

"cook some rice!"

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Azul says on Jul 17, 2008, 09:34:

30 days?....I thought that it was 60 days in Colombia (90 in the US)

las cosas caen por su propio peso

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Mononoke28 says on Jul 17, 2008, 13:19:

That's what a lot of people thought but we had a member of Visa Journey write about the hassle they had at the airport with the DAS officials because the permission document was more than a few weeks old. They're pretty strict about it too.

Diana

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lpdiver says on Jul 17, 2008, 13:23:

"It can't be more than thirty days..." means that the letter must have been writted and notarized in the last thirty days...NOT that the child can't leave for more than thirty days.

ts

"cook some rice!"

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Gator says on Jul 17, 2008, 13:25:

I believe is 60 days if done in Colombia

"Brevior Sltare Cum Deformibus Mulieribus Est Vita!" .

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