Obama in Colombia!

miamimike says on Aug 28, 2008, 20:14:

Wow, I just finished watching the Convention! Now that was a Night for the Books! I questioned the Venue when I heard about it but after seeing it, was really something! The size of that crowd and the Energy was simply astounding! The Republicans have a high hoop to jump thru next week!

Avatar Legend: Bush "If any of you Reporters are wondering, it was a Size 10"

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billyb says on Aug 28, 2008, 20:17:

Very moving indeed, i think i'll sleep in my toga tonight ;)

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Lisa Zee says on Aug 28, 2008, 20:23:

This is history in the making! WOW spectacular.

Feliz Navidad!

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nueva york bombero says on Aug 28, 2008, 20:30:

Rock and Roll, Hollywood and politics!!! Three true entertaining entities together in racial harmony!
Ahhhh! It feels so good!
(sarcasm)

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dwmte7 says on Aug 28, 2008, 20:38:

personally, i don't think that you think that his message is out of a can from nyc. give the man the credit he has earned.

dwmte

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Simon says on Aug 28, 2008, 20:44:

I like Obama but in that intro video when he said that his story "could only occur in this country" is pure BS. Remember that a son of Japanese immigrants was once elected president of Peru (Alberto Fujimori) and a son of muslim Syrian immigrants was elected president of Argentina (Carlos Menem)!

"DON'T FOK WITH COLOMBIA!!"-----Simon

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billyb says on Aug 28, 2008, 20:45:

3.) he isn't Bush???

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el_scouser says on Aug 28, 2008, 20:49:

Yeah Simon I agree. The States is a successful country but all that drivel about it being the 'land of opportunity' and the only place where such and such can happen is garbage. All things said I hope Obama does win - The change won't be great but any positives post Bush will certainly be welcomed by the rest of the world.

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Poorbutsnappy says on Aug 28, 2008, 21:19:

Obama WILL be the U.S. President on Jan 20, 2009 :)

Colombia tierra querida, himno de fe y armonía!... Cantemos, cantemos todos grito de paz y alegria!...

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manINred says on Aug 28, 2008, 21:20:

"a son of Japanese immigrants was once elected president of Peru (Alberto Fujimori) and a son of muslim Syrian immigrants was elected president of Argentina (Carlos Menem)!"

And what spectacular presidents they turned out to be!!!

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Joel y Luza says on Aug 28, 2008, 21:41:

yes, didn't fujimori end up being charged with corruption, or something like that?

The fact of the matter is that the US, just by its shear economic size, is a very relavent country, especially in the Americas....The Bush administration has squandered so many opportunities to lead, and to bring positive changes in the region, from the Mexico border southward....To let McCain be president would be a travesty....

For better or worse, the economic future of the Americas are intrinsically tied together. I think Obama is the man to be a strong positve influence in the free world. If nothing else, maybe we will see alot more Made in the USA tags, and a lot more clothes made in Colombia, and less of everything else made in China.

One thing is for sure, I don't think our country is capable of surviving any more of the repressive republican policies, and I think Obama can give Americans a reason to be proud to be Americans again.

I can tell you, G W Bush's America isn't my America; the one I am proud of and the one I remember where my grandparents shed tears on the forth of July and we stood with pride and determination, facing our flag, reciting the pledge of allegience. GW Bush and Dick Cheney should be ashamed of how they have left this country. One thing is for sure, I have faith that Obama and crew has a strong desire to build a strong, compassionate, and proud America again!!!

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GregYohn says on Aug 28, 2008, 22:11:

Hola!

Caracol said the speech was very impressive! Obama is not even the President!

I got more from the speech with CNN talking afterwords. I thought I was not in Cali for a moment, then remembered I like PBS the best!

My new wife to be in Cali, OK'd I can get up to $50 in items to assist his election, since we expected to be married early next month! I was expecting a dispassionate person about US Politics would have said NO!

12VOIP.com gives free calls to Colombia.Greg

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billyb says on Aug 28, 2008, 22:13:

"Caracol said the speech was very impressive!"

Well that seals the deal for me, i'm voting Obama.

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GregYohn says on Aug 28, 2008, 22:18:

Hola!

I was shocked they even covered the story! Saying kind words must meant the speech was of interest to Colombians!

12VOIP.com gives free calls to Colombia.Greg

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billyb says on Aug 28, 2008, 22:30:

You are shocked that Colombians are interested in the US election?

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manINred says on Aug 28, 2008, 22:37:

I agree with billyb, it is a bit ethnocentric to believe that Colombians couldn't be interested in foreign affairs.

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billyb says on Aug 28, 2008, 22:48:

Specially interest in a country whose internal politics probably has the greatest impact on Colombia.

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miamimike says on Aug 29, 2008, 00:22:

Its incredible the amount of rumors in Colombia surrounding Obama from "He's a muslim terrorist" to "His wife hates America" > Hopefully I clarifed that for a few Colombian friends what he is and isn't but what is hard to understand is that these who aksed me are all Professional educated Bogotanos. Very Strange indeed with Google and factcheck.org at their fingertips,,,

Avatar Legend: Bush "If any of you Reporters are wondering, it was a Size 10"

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Buongone says on Aug 29, 2008, 00:36:

Sounded good. Talk is cheap. Thats just a bunch of BS to get elected.

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dwmte7 says on Aug 29, 2008, 03:43:

personally...i like to look at the up side of things--the glass is half full--and the man's life is a good testiment of his character.

mr mccain on the other hand led a life of priviledge and didn't make much of a show of that.

being a prisoner of war is not qualifications for the presidency.

dwmte

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scumbuster says on Aug 29, 2008, 05:02:

Did anyone see IOUSA. Neither candidate will address the pressing issues facing the USA. Now they are just buying votes and pandering. The only difference between them will be which one will we be more in debt from after they leave office. Vote Ron Paul.

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Cerealkiller says on Aug 29, 2008, 05:11:

Most of the people I know (in Colombia) are Obama supporters... but whatever colombians think of US elections is so unimportant that not even the colombian media is covering the DNC extensively.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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Bill Turley (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 29, 2008, 06:04:

Dolfi says on Aug 29, 2008, 06:14:

What about Bush, didn´t he go bancrupt with his own business befor he became president after Jesus saved him?

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Monita Linda says on Aug 29, 2008, 06:18:

Can't stand Barack.

Poor but Preppy ______Colombia: the only risk is wanting to lay.

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briarblue says on Aug 29, 2008, 06:23:

Dofli, I think I'll vote for Obama just so a lefty from Germany will like me. That's what's really the most important thing---I just want to be loved by all the lefties from other countries. Maybe even Chavez will like me.

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Monita Linda says on Aug 29, 2008, 06:25:

Please don't let this world be taken over by all the leftist-liberal bs.

Poor but Preppy ______Colombia: the only risk is wanting to lay.

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Monita Linda says on Aug 29, 2008, 06:27:

A change yes. But not a wild swing into the left-liberal minefield...

Poor but Preppy ______Colombia: the only risk is wanting to lay.

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esanch36 says on Aug 29, 2008, 06:35:

Its funny....Google, "Obama is the anit-crist" and see what you get.. Also some food for thought is that the Mayan calander pridicts the end of the world to be in 2012...mmmmm hahahhaha it bullshit but funny stuff....i remeber back in the the late 90's watching this program on the anti-christ and if you beleive in the shit, obama would fit the bill perfectly.

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Monita Linda says on Aug 29, 2008, 06:37:

Yes it can! Wayyyyy worse! I promise.

Poor but Preppy ______Colombia: the only risk is wanting to lay.

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esanch36 says on Aug 29, 2008, 06:38:

yes....ive been hearing some scary stuff from some friends that work in the economics area about what the markets might do if obama gets in office. And if we get a Democratic controlled congress then they are going to run rampant on the economy.

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esanch36 says on Aug 29, 2008, 06:42:

With Russia Roaring, id rather have McCain dealing with Putin, than Obama. Putin would eat Obama's little liberal arse alive.

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briarblue says on Aug 29, 2008, 06:42:

Yes, it is awful in the U.S. You cannot believe how bad it is, heck, just yesterday I had to re-schedule business meetings due to catching the flu bug. If Dubya wasn't in office I'd never catch a cold, nor have to drink this chicken broth.

Vote Obama---make all your leftest friends from other countries! happy!!!!!! We'll be eating caviar!!!!!!!!!!

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buzbeecd says on Aug 29, 2008, 07:05:

I don't know why but when I watched Obama last night I kept thinking Chavez. It was really strange. I lot ot empty promises, and a lot of government control. He appeared like a dictator.

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esanch36 says on Aug 29, 2008, 07:29:

From the Gospel of mathew:(Im not religous)
Watch out for false phropets, they come to you in sheeps clothing, but inwardly they are wolves.

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Monita Linda says on Aug 29, 2008, 07:36:

I think Barack would be really bad for America. He is a liar.

Poor but Preppy ______Colombia: the only risk is wanting to lay.

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elmodefoque says on Aug 29, 2008, 07:39:

i'm looking at the republican crowd from Idaho on FOX NEWS waiting for Mcain's vice pres announcement, I'm sorry, they all look like fokin hillbilly retards.
sorry to ofend, my honest assesment
and pliase escuse my bad grammer, the longer i enjoy retirement the dumber i get

I'll get there, when I get there!

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dwmte7 says on Aug 29, 2008, 07:41:

boy, listen to you folks.

dwmte

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elmodefoque says on Aug 29, 2008, 07:42:

anyone who would want 4 more years is in serious need of a fokin frontal lobotomy

I'll get there, when I get there!

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esanch36 says on Aug 29, 2008, 07:47:

Dwmte it was a joke...dont get your g-string in a tangle, i dont want you having a heart attack over this...

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Pappassito (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 29, 2008, 07:52:

briarblue says on Aug 29, 2008, 07:54:

Elmo, please do tell, what does a fokin', hillbilly, retard look like---do they resemble that thar feller in your avatar?

Your ignorance about people from the hills knows no bounds.

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Monita Linda says on Aug 29, 2008, 07:59:

Barack will be the worst president..

Poor but Preppy ______Colombia: the only risk is wanting to lay.

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elmodefoque says on Aug 29, 2008, 08:00:

hey dr. hamburger (my real name) what is a frontal lobotomy?
a frontal lobotomy is when the republican brain is removed by first makin a cut with a hacksaw upside the head of them dumb modefoques.
The brain is placed in a clorox filled jar for 2 weeks. then the entire shit (brain and jar) is thrown out a fokin fifth floor window.
The ugly mess is then gently placed back in the head of the republican patient.
cus,anything would be a fokin improvement

thank you and good nite , now i go fishing

I'll get there, when I get there!

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esanch36 says on Aug 29, 2008, 08:00:

I think Elmo would be the Colombian version of a redneck. Him and molestation of burras is definatly a redneck thing..haha

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Monita Linda says on Aug 29, 2008, 08:01:

Oh please elmo. Did you ever go to school?

Poor but Preppy ______Colombia: the only risk is wanting to lay.

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elmodefoque says on Aug 29, 2008, 08:08:

one more thing before i go after flukes
why are these (red states) modefoques allowed to vote anyways???
them modefoques contribute NOTHING to what makes this the greatest nation on the planet.
I think gringos from the big cities could live with out fokin corn and pototoes.

I'll get there, when I get there!

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Monita Linda says on Aug 29, 2008, 08:11:

And I think they should send you to school :).

Poor but Preppy ______Colombia: the only risk is wanting to lay.

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elmodefoque says on Aug 29, 2008, 08:11:

anyways, i don't eat fokin corn or potatoes, i prefer PLATANO

I'll get there, when I get there!

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dwmte7 says on Aug 29, 2008, 08:13:

thanks elmo...i needed a laugh.

thanks, esanch...i needed someone to worry over me. unlike ma fe, i'll hold off asking for a hug from you.

dwmte

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elmodefoque says on Aug 29, 2008, 08:15:

I also think gringos from NYC could do with out NASCAR races.
a new yorker would not know from a dale anhart if he landed on his fokin head
"hey modefoque, who the fok is this fokin redneck on my head?"
"damn if i know!" me

I'll get there, when I get there!

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elmodefoque says on Aug 29, 2008, 08:25:

" hey you bleeding heart new york democrat, how do you know that modefoque on your head is a redneck?
he's got a Mcain button, listening to country music and has a fokin mullet
he might be from long island too

I'll get there, when I get there!

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elmodefoque says on Aug 29, 2008, 08:29:

chit, if i landed in the middle of that Mcain crowd, may jesus and allah have mercy on my fokin soul. There would be nothing left of my black ass, i'll get tared and feathered

I'll get there, when I get there!

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Joel y Luza says on Aug 29, 2008, 08:29:

Hey elmo thats a pretty ignorant view of idaho...since i live here, i can attest there are probably fewer hillbillies here that in the state of NY...Now I lived in eastern PA and traveled to NJ an NY a lot..There are plenty of "urban" rednecks in your fine city.. They just have fancy job titles, like turd extraction engineers.

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elmodefoque says on Aug 29, 2008, 08:32:

joel, you might have a point there, we got more redneck in long island NY than many bible belt states

I'll get there, when I get there!

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elmodefoque says on Aug 29, 2008, 08:33:

go into my long island fishing web site. THem modefoques make colombians look like mother theresa

I'll get there, when I get there!

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elmodefoque says on Aug 29, 2008, 08:36:

i thought colombians were the racist modefoque in the fokin planet until i became fishing buddies with guys from long island.
ONe thing, they could tell some real funny racist jokes.
Did you hear the one about the two mexicans and the black preacher

I'll get there, when I get there!

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pedro (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 29, 2008, 08:59:

Lisa Zee says on Aug 29, 2008, 09:03:

Get used to it....... OBAMA WILL BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Feliz Navidad!

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Monita Linda says on Aug 29, 2008, 09:06:

Well, get used to the fact that your life will be hell and freedom non existent.... darn leftwing liberals... go to western europe if thats your flavor... but don't screw up the US.

Poor but Preppy ______Colombia: the only risk is wanting to lay.

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elmodefoque says on Aug 29, 2008, 09:07:

they found the only black guy in ohio (just happend to be republican) and stuck him in front of the stage.
talk about shameless BS.
I woud have more respect for republicans if they've not done that.
Is an INSULT to people's intelligence

now i really gotto go fishing, my long island buddy is been waiting downstairs for almost an hour

I'll get there, when I get there!

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Cerealkiller says on Aug 29, 2008, 09:12:

I don't know who will win, but i think its important that people stop attacking the candidates and start attacking the policies/ ideologies they are supporting. I dont particularly care for McCain/Palin, I am not interested in their personal lives or who looks better on tv... I for one have very personal values and I would never vote (if i could vote in the US that is) for someone who is staunchly pro-life, against gay marriage, and against reasonably implemented welfare programs. I just don't see how any developed society could keep progressing by embracing policies which undermine agency.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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Waterdawg says on Aug 29, 2008, 09:13:

Scumbuster : Did you get to see IOUSA ???

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elmodefoque says on Aug 29, 2008, 09:14:

why do i have 'WELCOME TO WAL-MART" playing over and over in my fokin head?

I'll get there, when I get there!

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Sebastian says on Aug 29, 2008, 09:16:

Kalico buzzbeecd, Monita and others,

It is widely known that Obama writes his own speeches. There were many powerful and moving moments last night that set Obama apart from most presidental canidates throughout history and in the company of some of the best. His idea that it's not about him, it's about the american people made me feel proud to be an american for the first time in many years. Having a leader like Bush puts a damper on my patriotism. Also the idea of Dem's and Rep's fighting, working, dying for not red states or blue states but the United States really unites us and we need to fight for what we all need not just what a few selfish, rich, ignorant modofokers need. Anyone who said that Obama will be bad for america is either rich or ignorant and maybe both. You don't know, you can't see the future. Who knows what will happen...
Give the dude a chance! He's intelligent, charismatic, an excellent speaker and uniter of the clans. He reminds me of Fajardo in that I believe he will wisely invest in education, healthcare, and community programs. He is someone that can do something we have been trying to do for many years and that is help us deal with and solve racial problems in the US. Coming back to an earlier point he says that he isn't going to do it, we are going to do it and he is just the person that is going to lead us to what WE want for the country. McCain seems like a good dude but his policies will bring us the same problems of the last 8 years. Iraq, Katrina economy and worse. McCain, tell me what you can do for america with the same conviction as Barack? John McCain really doesn't know how to respond.

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esanch36 says on Aug 29, 2008, 09:32:

The media loved the novelty of a black candidate with a real chance to become president, and his left-wing vision of the world was largely their vision as well. There was a veritable media honeymoon for Obama.

There was outrage in the mainstream media when ABC anchor man Charles Gibson asked Obama a serious question about the economic effects of a capital gains tax. Who interrupts honeymooners to talk economics?

The fact that Senator Obama did not have a very coherent answer made things worse-- for Charles Gibson. Since Obama can do no wrong in the eyes of many of his supporters, they resented Gibson's having asked him such a question.

The question, incidentally was why Senator Obama was advocating a higher capital gains tax rate, when experience had shown that the government typically collected more revenue from a lower capital gains tax rate than from a higher rate.

Senator Obama acted as if he had never thought about it that way. He probably hadn't. He is a politician, not an economist.

Politically, what matters to the left-wing base that Obama has been playing to for decades is sticking it to "the rich." What effect that has on the tax revenues received by the government is secondary, at best.

What effect a higher capital gains tax rate will have on the economy today and on people's pensions in later years is a question that is not even on Senator Obama's radar screen.

Economists may say that higher capital gains tax rates can translate into lower levels of economic activity and fewer jobs, but Obama will leave that kind of analysis to the economists. He is in politics, and what matters politically is what wins votes right here and right now.

The kind of talk that won the votes-- and the hearts-- of the left-wing base of the Democratic Party during the primaries may not be enough to carry the day with voters in the general election. So Senator Obama has been changing his tune or, as he puts it, "refining" his message.

This was not the kind of "change" that the true believers among Obama's supporters were expecting. So there has been some wavering among the faithful and some ups and downs in the polls.

Despite an impressive political machine and a huge image makeover this year to turn a decades-long, divisive grievance-promoting activist into someone who is supposed to unite us all and lead us into the promised land of "change," little glimpses of the truth keep coming out.

The elitist sneers at people who believe in religion and who own guns, the Americans who don't speak foreign languages and the views of the "typical white person," are all like rays of light that show through the cracks in Obama's carefully crafted image.

The overwhelming votes for Obama in some virtually all-white states show that many Americans are ready to move beyond race. But Obama himself wants to have it both ways, by attributing racist notions to the McCain camp that has never made race an issue.

The problem with clever people is that they don't know when to stop being clever-- and Senator Obama is a very clever man, perhaps "too clever by half" as the British say. But maybe he can't keep getting by with glittering generalities

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scumbuster says on Aug 29, 2008, 09:33:

Waterdawg: No. Read all the reviews and seen the interviews about it. I am in small market here and if it comes around at all, it will be a while. Probably have to wait for DVD or in the Documentary Chanel. In the primary I started to investigate Ron Paul. Everyone in the main stream media made him out to be a kook but he is extremely knowledgeable and well read about economics.

I just read the bio on McCain VP pick. Sarah Palin is an interesting read. Sounds more like she should be leading the ticket.

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esanch36 says on Aug 29, 2008, 09:40:

agreed scumbuster.....she seems interesting, never heard about her.

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scumbuster says on Aug 29, 2008, 10:12:

http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=IOUSAtheMovie

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Joel y Luza says on Aug 29, 2008, 10:17:

Monita, I respectfully have to disagree with you.. Under this douche bag, we now call president, we have lost more freedoms, and have lost any real economic advances, (us that make less than$100k a year), that was gained in the Clinton years.

Except for Reagan, every republican we have elected, in recent history, has scared this country beyond repair.. Nixon, Bush I and Bush II...I do have to tip my hat at Eisenhower, however, He gave us the interstate system, and more public golf course...

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scumbuster says on Aug 29, 2008, 10:34:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLr6dR_LmIM&feature=related

Can we afford more debt? We can’t afford to pay for the programs we have now. Social Security and Medicare are seriously under funded for the future and all we have in the trust funds are IOU’s from the federal government. Now can we afford more sweeping federal programs such as health care? Sure it would be great but how do we pay for it? We can’t pay for what we have. Everyone wants more and more as long as they don’t have to pay for it. Let the rich pay for it. That’s what the Democrats say. The top 5% are already paying for 80% of the taxes. We have the second highest corporate tax rate in the world and wonder why the jobs are leaving the USA? Duh!!!
We better get someone running this country other than politicians that are voted on by name recognition. The free lunch is coming to an end and the longer we wait to begin to fix it the more the fix will hurt. $4.00 a gallon gas is nothing to what our economy will be like soon if it isn’t on the right track.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yAbT-JA7rM&feature=related

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esanch36 says on Aug 29, 2008, 11:41:

the scumbuster speaks da truth

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elmodefoque says on Aug 29, 2008, 12:18:

can you guys imagine a black or injun colombian president jajajajajaja
it will NEVER NEVER NEVER NERVE EVER happen
and if the republican have it their way, it wont happen here either.

I'll get there, when I get there!

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elmodefoque says on Aug 29, 2008, 12:20:

hey you old bitter retarded modefoque, why so harsh on republicans?
I'll tell you why.

I'll get there, when I get there!

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esanch36 says on Aug 29, 2008, 12:40:

if it can happen in Bolivia it can happen in colombia....you just need to organize the poor

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elmodefoque says on Aug 29, 2008, 12:41:

IN COLOMBIA JAJAJAJAJAJAJ
NEVER NEVER

I'll get there, when I get there!

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elmodefoque says on Aug 29, 2008, 12:42:

I KNOW HOW MOST COLOMBIANS THINK

I'll get there, when I get there!

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elmodefoque says on Aug 29, 2008, 12:43:

I'VE BEEN THE RECEIPIENT OF HOW COLOMBIANS THINK

I'll get there, when I get there!

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elmodefoque says on Aug 29, 2008, 12:45:

WHY DO I HAVE TO BUY SEX FROM THEM FREAKING COLOMBIANAS WHILE YOU GUYS GET IT FOR FREE???
WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY?

I'll get there, when I get there!

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esanch36 says on Aug 29, 2008, 12:49:

what you need to do is go back to burras....much easier than colombianas

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elmodefoque says on Aug 29, 2008, 13:10:

Democrats claim the newly appointed republican VP has no experience.
I disagree, you try shooting freaking bambi between the eyes at 500 yards.

I'll get there, when I get there!

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Monpirri says on Aug 29, 2008, 14:37:

I gave Senator Obama high marks in his acceptance speech of last night.

The life spam of a taste bud is ten days

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scumbuster says on Aug 29, 2008, 14:56:

He does give a good speach. I will give him that.

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miamimike says on Aug 29, 2008, 15:42:

McCain can say goodbye to any voter who really thinks experience matters. Palin has six years as mayor of a town of 5000, and a year and a half as Governor of Alaska. That’s it! And she only got the governor’s job at all, because the incumbent governor appointed his own daughter to the U.S. Senate, and tried to do an end-around against the legislature on a shaky gas pipeline deal, which blew his chances for reelection. McCain managed to find the a candidate LESS qualified to be commander-in-chief, than Quayle was! McCain did the one thing guaranteed to make Obama look like Roosevelt by comparison. In her first appearance with McCain, Palin said “Eye-ran‿ and “nuke-ya-lar weapons‿ just like Bush does. Yeesh. Earlier, she actually said on camera: “what is it exactly that the VP does every day?"





McCain can wave goodbye to anyone who thinks the VP choice is important. Sending this beauty queen to debate national security and diplomacy with Biden is cruel. Since McCain has THREE medical conditions which could incapacitate him (melanomas, 6 of 10 warning signs of Alzheimers, multiple suicide attempts), there is a serious risk that this Twinkie could become Commander-in-Chief. ...And McCain can wave goodbye to all those national-security voters who think foreign policy and military matters are important.





Goodbye to any voter who cares about ethical government. McCain actually picked a running mate who is RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF AN ETHICS INVESTIGATION, in the state legislature, on abuse-of-power charges! Picking her for VP would be like picking Larry Craig or Tom Delay: THEY would actually be more fit for the job than Palin! The investigation could run all the way through the campaign season: one news cycle after another, clogged up with this story. We’ll hear from the husband and the wife in the ugly divorce/custody case, like a white-trash soap opera. Palin showed she can’t even play the game like a professional at the sandlot level, and McCain just put her in the World Series. And there will also be stories about the rest of the corrupt Alaska Republican machine, to include Ted Stevens and Don Young. There is video of Stevens endorsing Palin. The irony here is that she is campaigning as a reformer!





McCain will LOSE female votes, not gain them. He is insulting women, assuming they will be stupid enough to ignore the fact that Palin opposes a woman’s right to choose (and is ignorant, and unqualified), just because she’s a she. If McCain really had a hard-on to hire a woman, what about Hutchison, or Susan Collins...? Even among the subset of Republican women, he chose Beauty Queen over Competence. The only women this will bring into McCain’s camp are women who are stupid enough to be conned, and McCain has already cornered the Stupid Vote, so it’s a wasted effort. Palin even had the gall to try to hijack Hillary’s “eighteen million cracks in the glass ceiling‿ narrative in her first public appearance, so Hillary will speak out on this REAL fast.





McCain can say goodbye to anyone who advocates fiscal responsibility: although Palin claims to be a budget-cutter, she signed into law the biggest budget in state history. McCain can wave goodbye to anyone who supports equality, since Palin opposes same-sex marriage. And for anyone who takes education seriously: Palin, an evangelical, wants creationism taught in public schools.





Goodbye to all those other VP finalists, who he wanted to campaign for him, as surrogates. You think Romney will bust his butt for McCain in Michigan, when McCain just proclaimed to the world that Romney’s less qualified to be commander-in-chief than this prom queen?





Goodbye to all those white men in places like the Rust Belt, who ever lost out on a job because a less-qualified woman scooted in ahead of them. They’re Obama men now.





Environmentalists: it’s not just that she wants to drill in ANWR. She sued BUSH’S Interior Department for putting polar bears on the endangered list. She’s to the RIGHT of BUSH.







The issue isn’t Palin, it’s McCain and his scary, IMPAIRED decision-making. Obama said that he has better judgment than McCain, and McCain proved him right. McCain panicked after Obama’s masterful performance in Denver, and threw a desperate Hail Mary. Why else would he bypass the dozens of candidates who are ALL more qualified for the job than Palin? This is McCain’s first major decision at the presidential level, and he did something rash and stupid, just like Bush always seems to do. Even some Republicans, like Kay Bailey Hutchison and the Maryland governor, are starting to signal their dismay, to the tune of “who the hell is she?‿



Evangelicals love her. Rush called her a “babe‿. FOX says Palin has foreign policy credentials because “...she is right up there in Alaska right next door to Russia.‿

Bottom Line; if McCain was looking for a Female to draw away the Hillary Voters, he could have picked a Experienced Heavyweight like Kay Bailey Hutchinson, Susan Collins or Elzabeth Dole--all with sterling credentials and ready to step in the CIC role should that be needed. Not the case with Ms Palin. God help the USA should she be on Watch when that dreaded 3 am phone call comes with a finger on the Button,,,Voters really need to seriously consider their Vote choice with this lady(palin) in the mix. In her own element, Alaska, she seems like a pretty nice person, as a VP Candidate not,,,Very Perplexing choice

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briarblue says on Aug 29, 2008, 15:46:

Gee Mike, I guess there's really no need to even vote, eh? Your guy has it all sewn-up---there's not even a race.

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miamimike says on Aug 29, 2008, 15:54:

BB--the truth be told, as an Independent(yep one of those dreaded indys who gets all the phone calls at the last moment for my vote) Neither McCain or Obama were my first choice. The Best Candidates aren't in the running due to the Party Bosses steering the Nominations. Same thing happened in 2004! Sad a good 3rd party Candidate cannot get the time of day, even with Ross Perot,the last really viable 3rd party Indy and all his Money, he failed garnering only around 20% of the total Vote in 2000. He (perot)got my Vote,,,

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elmodefoque says on Aug 29, 2008, 16:51:

"Since McCain has THREE medical conditions which could incapacitate him (melanomas, 6 of 10 warning signs of Alzheimers, multiple suicide attempts), there is a serious risk that this Twinkie could become Commander-in-Chief. .." jajajajajaj
miamimike


mike, you just buried any hope they ever had of winning.
you should be writing presidential speeches.

I'll get there, when I get there!

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scumbuster says on Aug 29, 2008, 17:00:

.You miss the point of the Sarah Palin nomination. She is the only one of the 4 that can remotely know what it is to be an average citizen of the US. I feel the least amount of Washington experience the better. You don’t need to be an insider of Washington to run the USA. You need common sense. That is something that has been missing from Washington for many years. Any president can get more than enough advice from experts in any field. You need someone with common sense to filter it and make a good decision. A decision not based on which lobbyist donations to his campaign. Or which special interest group opposed which new regulation being proposed.

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elmodefoque says on Aug 29, 2008, 17:13:

Why be so harsh on republicans
Any party or group of people that wallow in joyful ecstasy and celebrates the sight of Mexicans/Latino workers being let out in handcuff from factories all over bible belt states for simply not having working documents, merits no mercy from me
Anyone who supports and enjoys such spectacle is HEARTLESS, SELFISH and will go straight to HELLL
Am I your typical bleeding heard LIBERAL? DAMN RIGHT, I AM!!!.
WHAT IF I ENJOY THE COMPANY OF HOOKERS, SO FOKIN WHAT, I STILL FEEL OTHER PEOPLES PAIN. .

Thank you!

I'll get there, when I get there!

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miamimike says on Aug 29, 2008, 18:13:

You tell 'em Elmo! Hey the Mujereigos Cubanos are salivating over this Lady! They don't see her what's between the Ears(grey matter) only what's between the shoulders and Thighs~LOL

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rocinante says on Aug 29, 2008, 18:14:

Anyone who thinks the US president actually runs the US is a sheep. But you're all in good company.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Not that the US president actually runs the US." Feb 5, 2008

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scumbuster says on Aug 29, 2008, 19:24:

Actually I am probably closer to your prospective Elmo than you may think. I would conceder myself a libertarian. Elmo, if you want 3 hookers I think you should be able to have them. There is way, way, way too much government. If we had unlimited recourses I think Obama could do a fine job of spending it all with all kinds of wonderful programs. Unfortunately if we spend like a drunken sailor similar to the last 8 years we may never be able to get out of the hole. This isn’t a Dem. Or Rep. issue. It’s a fiscal responsibility issue. Sarah Palin is the only bright spot in a dismal race. We need people that are independent running for office. Not the same cookie cutter politics liberal against conservative. We need a strong 3rd party but we are far from that. Unfortunatly!

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scumbuster says on Aug 29, 2008, 19:27:

This is the most pressing issue facing the USA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLr6dR_LmIM&feature=related

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miamimike says on Aug 29, 2008, 20:57:

"Sarah Palin is the only bright spot in a dismal race."

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With her wafer thin resume education wise and experience wise, how much reforming you think she will ever get to doing?? Hint--remember Dan Quayle, she would be assigned to the same level tasks as dan. And Dan Quayle was a Senator at that and after the 88 election, he was hardly heard of again, except for the Butt of all those "WetHead" Jokes because of his many trips to the WH Gym. How could she(palin) be expected to do much reforming--she has NO Connections and regardless of what anyone says, You NEED Connections to accomplish anything in Washington Period! She would be relegated to Goodwill trips and Fund Raisers. Laura Bush who is a Smart Lady and well connected--what was she able to do? Not much really. I doubt Ms Palin will be taken seriously by the establishment in DC. That said, she seems like a genuinely nice person and would be fun to go on a Hunting/fishing trip or sit in a Bar and have a few Cold Aguilas with but not much more. (now now don't say what you think) McCain has put this young Lady in a very difficult position,,,

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CRAZYCRAIG says on Aug 29, 2008, 21:14:

WHAT A WEIRD WORLD WE LIVE IN

OBAMAS HALF BROTHER LIVES IN A SHANTY TOWN IN AFRICA ....LOL LOL WELL SEE IN A FEW YEARS TIME IF OBAMA IS JUST FULLING HIS POCKETS AND HIS WORDS ARE FULL OF SHIT ...I HOPE IM WRONG

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miamimike says on Aug 29, 2008, 22:14:

Could it be much worse under Obama then GW Bush who has left the USA in a Miserable Unfinished war in Iraq, Trillions of dollars in Debt, Rising insugency of the Afghan Taliban(which we should have stayed on point and finished) instead of essentially abandoning, $4 gallon gasoline, Sub Prime Mortage Meltdowwn, Decreased Standing and prestige in the eyes of the world, 47.5 million Americans without heath Insurance, massive job flight to China &India --all on Bush's Watch ?? Could Obama & Biden possibly do any worse?

The fact Obama's half brother lives in a Shanty town in Africa--What Connection, otherwise then a reminder of his humble beginnings, does this have to do with a Possible Obama Presidency here in the USA? Obama Filling his Pockets? If that was Obama's desire, $$$$$$$, he could have as easily skipped Public Service and headed to Wall Street with his Lawyer Credentials. His Wife also--they both could have been millionaires many times over if they chose this path 15 years ago.

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billyb says on Aug 29, 2008, 22:15:

whatever, this has turned out to be the most interesting election in recent memory (as that is all i can recall), you get a little bit of everything, and anybody that doesn't have a sense of irony when arguing about the the virtues or deficencies of any of the candidates is a foken fool.

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scumbuster says on Aug 30, 2008, 05:49:

MM. You NEED Connections to accomplish anything in Washington Period!

This is exactly the problem. This thinking dooms you to never getting anything changed. I say throw all the bums out. We don’t need professional politicians running the country. It was never intended to be this way.

Mike, you sound like a ham sandwich democrat. If the democrats put a ham sandwich on the ballot you would vote for it. There are republicans that do the same. Issues aren’t Dem. Vs Rep.
You say things can’t get much worse under Obama. Jajajajajajajaja Sure they can. They can get a lot worse under either of these two candidates. As bad as you think things are, how do you think things will be when SS and Medicare, Medicaid trust funds are broke and the national debt is eating up 75% of all of our tax revenue just paying the interest on the debt? The national debt is a snowball at the top of Mt. Everest. If it picks up much more speed it will be unstoppable. We need people that as soon as they take office they are not looking at what they can do to get reelected. What group can I buy off so I can get reelected?
Every credit card has a limit. The USA’s Platinum Card is about maxed out. Soon the bank (China-Saudi Arabia. exc) is going to say you’re at your credit limit and we are not lending you any more. So what then. Well I imagine the politicians will then turn on the printing presses and then print more money to pay the bills. Massive inflation. $200. for a loaf of bread. Think it can’t happen? Think again. On our present course it not only could happen, it will happen. And as long as all the sheep keep looking at this the same way we are doomed. It is total irresponsibility to continue to spend more money on any new programs until we are on good financial ground again, but they are both pandering trying to buy as many groups as they can before November.

Anyone here ever think about retiring to Colombia? Well when 1 dollar is equal to 1 COP how far will your pension or SS get you? We will need to retire to Somalia or some 3 world country because the dollar will be worthless.
Why is it that people can’t see any farther than tomorrow? Tomorrow we will not be broke. But if we miss this window of opportunity to fix things, in 20 to 25 years that snowball that is rolling down Mt. Everest will be so big that it will eat the US economy and it will not even slow it down.

The USA is acting like the person that borrows and spends every cent he can, because he thinks, I may die tomorrow. Well guess what? What if you don’t? Guess what, Your kids will be here, Guess what, Your grand kids will be here.
I hope to live long enough to retire to Colombia but if the USA keeps blowing the tax payers (That would be yours and mine, and unfortunately our kids and grandkids) money know one will be able to retire. Its my retirement they are screwing with so I take it very seriously.

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dwmte7 says on Aug 30, 2008, 05:57:

wow, an informative, interesting, civil thread, raised up by elmos very real insight. thanks gang, i enjoyed this. thanks elmo.

dwmte

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miamimike says on Aug 30, 2008, 07:21:

Sorry To break your Bubble Scum but I'm a registered independent, have been for over 20 years! Sorry. In your last paragraph you mention about blowing the taxpayer's money. I will challenge you to look up the facts and look at who was the Prez who when he left office a few years back with a nice balance in the billions to our Present Situation with a deficit in the Trillions. I can understand your being angry about your retirement being at risk but your Blame is misplaced. On whose watch did the Dollar Tank?

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scumbuster says on Aug 30, 2008, 08:31:

If you look at the facts!!!! We have had 1 year in the last 50 of a balanced budget. This was a bipartisan effort with the republicans having control of both the house and senate and Dems having the Pres. We had a defecate for many years before this and every year after this. When you get right down to it the pres. can’t spend a cent. It’s the house and senate that are currently run by the dems. that make the budgets and they are only signed or vetoed by the pres. I seem to remember that every year the house makes a big deal out of the budget submitted by the president saying it is DOA. The politicians answer is, we have a government program to fix every problem so vote for me. Both parties are to blame. The dollar tanked because neither party will address this countries financial problems.
I can sit here and put my head in the sand because I am doing quite well currently. I have a good job. I can save a few bucks and if stupidity in Washington didn’t rule I would retire to a quite comfortable life. Actually even if they screw things up royally will still have a decent retirement, but what kind of country are we leaving for our kids? I have done quite well under George Bush, but that doesn’t mean I agree with how he has spent us into the ground. Obama is no better and doesn’t even try to hide it. He wants to spend just as much as Bush, just on different things. Sure you can have the debate what is better to spend the money on, but the fact is we don’t have the money to spend. So what will happen when he spends it anyway? That snowball just keeps rolling and getting bigger and bigger. And it appears you are short sighted enough not to care. I really can’t stand McCane or Obama. I would have voted Ron Paul, and still may. The only slight bright spot I see is Sarah Palin, only because she isn’t a Washington insider. Just maybe she can continue to expose government misspending and corruption as she has done to both parties in Alaska. But I don’t hold out much hope of improvement until there are desperate times in the USA. Then everyone will cry, what happened. It’s voting for a bum just because he wares the title Republican or Democrat.

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GregYohn says on Aug 30, 2008, 08:35:

Hola!

Senator Snow from Maine would have been good as a Republican VP.

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scumbuster says on Aug 30, 2008, 08:36:

MM
I will have to continue this tonight. I have to go new car shopping with my wife now. You have all day to think now..jajajaja

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miamimike says on Aug 30, 2008, 12:16:

No, not really! Not much more to say on the issue. I just look at the actual figures that are part of the Congressional record for my figures! You know what the old saying is " Liars Figure but Figures don't Lie" As I say I am an Indy voter and have voted for the best qualified person no matter the party.Nixon, Reagan both got my vote. No Republican since though! And Looking at our record Current financial mess, McCain who wants to continue with Bush 2 policies, certainly won't receive it. Not to mention, as a Veteran(active duty vietnam era type) I was incensed at McCain not only for not Supporting the New GI BIll for Vets but he actually talked poorly about it! Not good,,,

BTW---on your statement and concern for the Debt " As bad as you think things are, how do you think things will be when SS and Medicare, Medicaid trust funds are broke and the national debt is eating up 75% of all of our tax revenue just paying the interest on the debt? The national debt is a snowball at the top of Mt. Everest. If it picks up much more speed it will be unstoppable. We need people that as soon as they take office they are not looking at what they can do to get reelected"



How come you don't elaborate on the Billions Bush is spending foolishly on Iraq and the Trillion(s) in the hole he will leave us when he hikes it out of Office? AND at a time when Iraq NOW has been shown to have $78 Billion in the Bank while he(bush) squanders our taxpayer's Dollars away foolishly. I don't detect any criticism,,

Another thing on the Medicare Situation, South Florida has been named Medicare Fraud capital of the USA! They caught 36 Cubans who recently scammed the system then hightailed it back to Cuba. The scammers were reported to Medicare and my Question is, Why didn't the adminsitration do something to stem the Fraud. Same with SS--lots of Fraud but the Current Administration has done little to nothing to investigate the complaints. And the Complaints turned out to be true! Finally after the Miami Herald wrote a Big Exposee on the extent of the Fraud, only then did this Administration get cracking and investigate. By that time the Scammers ran back to Cuba. Plenty of $$$$$ for a useless Iraq War but NO money to hire SS and Medicare Investigators to protect us again, the American Taxpayer. 4 more years of this--No Way Jose

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miamimike says on Aug 30, 2008, 12:20:

Greg_John---Susan Collins would have been an excellent choice as well Elizabeth Dole or Kay Bailey Hutchinson-all REPUBLICANS and NO QUESTION----very well qualified to step into the Presidency should McCain become incapcitated. Seeing he had bouts with Cancer and other health issues, this is a distint possibility that has to be considered in one's VP Pick. McCain's choice is simply mind boggling, at least on experience.

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aztec says on Aug 30, 2008, 13:52:

miamimike "Greg_John---Susan Collins would have been an excellent choice as well Elizabeth Dole or Kay Bailey Hutchinson-all REPUBLICANS and NO QUESTION----very well qualified to step into the Presidency should McCain become incapcitated. Seeing he had bouts with Cancer and other health issues, this is a distint possibility that has to be considered in one's VP Pick. McCain's choice is simply mind boggling, at least on experience."

More liberal democrats attempting to select our Republican candidates. No way would Collins ever be chosen! Maybe Hutchinson.

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GregYohn says on Aug 31, 2008, 19:45:

Hola!

Hutchinson said she knew practically nothing about that woman from Alaska, yet said she would be good for McCain on CNN! I consider she should has declined the interview request. I was going to throw up with all the things she could not tell about that Alaska woman!

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briarblue says on Aug 31, 2008, 20:16:

Miamimike---the more I learn about Sarah Palin, the more and more I like about her. Also, I can tell you that in two short days her selection has energized both the social conservatives and the libertarian sectors of the republican base. These are two sectors that aren't often energized by the same person (of course the last republican you voted for President was able to do that)

I've been very impressed with what I have found out about her, both her personal and political history. Based on my initial research and inquiry, it would not surprise me to see her become the nominee for POTUS one day!

Just think, if anyone is concerned about her lack of experience and a VP only a heartbeat away from being the President, that same concern becomes magnified with Obama...there's isn't even that "one heartbeat away" buffer.

I look forward to Palin's one debate with Biden---based on what I've learned thus far, I have no fear in her going into the ring with that pit bull.

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billyb says on Aug 31, 2008, 20:30:

I wonder if Biden will be pilfering anybody's speeches this election?

http://nutsandbolts.washcoll.edu/plagiarism.html

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GregYohn says on Aug 31, 2008, 21:40:

Hola!

Maybe Sarah Palin will sell her famous PTA cookies to get campaign contributions?

How many people think it is good to send their kids to Iraq? Most Americans do not, but Sarah follows more of the stupidity of Bush gladly! Sure the conservatives love her, but what about others that would at least like to know someone before they vote for them in 2 months?

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billyb says on Aug 31, 2008, 21:59:

And now you know Biden:

Plagiarism can have catastrophic consequences for one's career as a student and even later on in life—and the higher one's ambition takes one, the higher the stakes. In 1987, for instance, Senator Joe Biden, who was seeking the Democratic presidential nomination, was accused of plagiarizing passages in speeches and interviews from the oratory of a British politician, Neil Kinnock. Here are some of the passages in question:

Kinnock (original)

Why am I the first Kinnock in a thousand generations to be able to get to university? Why is Glenys the first woman in her family in a thousand generations to be able to get to university?

Was it because our predecessors were thick? Does anybody really think that they didn't get what we had because they didn't have the talent or the strength or the endurance or the commitment? Of course not. It was because there was no platform upon which they could stand.

Biden version

I started thinking as I was coming over here, why is it that Joe Biden is the first in his family ever to go to a university? Why is it that my wife who is sitting out there in the audience is the first in her family to ever go to college?

Is it because our fathers and mothers were not bright? . . . No, it's not because they weren't as smart. It's not because they didn't work as hard. It's because they didn't have a platform upon which to stand . . .


It turned out Biden had also borrowed passages from old campaign speeches by Robert Kennedy and had inflated his academic record. But oratory has a long tradition of borrowing and even "heavy lifting," as speechwriters call it, so Biden stayed alive in the presidential race. The last straw, however, came when it turned out that twenty years earlier Biden had received a failing grade in a law school course for plagiarizing a legal article (he'd given a single footnote while lifting five full pages from the article). Biden said he'd been unaware of the appropriate standards for legal briefs, but the public was unimpressed. His campaign collapsed and he withdrew from the race.

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